Re: MARINA OSWALD
David Von Pein
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh5/html/WC_Vol5_0299b.htm
On September 6, 1964, just eighteen days before the Warren Commission
submitted its final report to President Johnson, Marina Oswald
provided the Commission with some additional testimony.
During that September Warren Commission session, which was held at the
U.S. Naval Air Station in Dallas, Texas, the following very
interesting and revealing testimony can be found (on Page 608 of
Warren Commission Volume 5):
HALE BOGGS -- "Let’s straighten this out, because this is very
important."
MARINA OSWALD -- "Okay."
MR. BOGGS -- "I’ll read it to you [Boggs reads from the transcript of
Marina Oswald's previous WC testimony] -- “I gather that you have
reached the conclusion in your own mind that your husband killed
President Kennedy?” You replied, “Regretfully, yes.” Now, do you have
any reason to change that?"
MRS. OSWALD -- "That’s correct. I have no doubt that he did kill the
President." ....
MR. BOGGS -- "Again we get back to the question of motive. You said
again today that you are convinced that Lee Oswald killed President
Kennedy. You said something additionally today, though, and that is
that you feel that it was his intention not to kill President Kennedy,
but to kill Governor Connally. Now, am I correct in saying that she
had not said this previously?"
J. LEE RANKIN -- "Ask her that."
MR. BOGGS -- "Let’s get an answer. I think this answer is quite
important."
MRS. OSWALD -- "On the basis of all the available facts, I have no
doubt in my mind that Lee Oswald killed President Kennedy. At the same
time, I feel in my own mind as far as I am concerned, I feel that Lee--
that my husband perhaps intended to kill Governor Connally instead of
President Kennedy."
MR. BOGGS -- "Now, let me ask you one other question: Assuming that
this is correct, would you feel that there would be any less guilt in
killing Governor Connally than in killing the President?"
MRS. OSWALD -- "I am not trying to vindicate or justify or excuse Lee
as my husband. Even if he killed one of his neighbors, still it
wouldn’t make much difference--it wouldn’t make any difference--a
killing is a killing. I am sorry."
5 H 608:
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh5/html/WC_Vol5_0309b.htm
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Conspiracy theorists sometimes like to talk about how Marina Oswald is
now convinced that her husband was just a patsy, who was set up to
take the fall for both Kennedy's murder (and Officer Tippit's murder
as well).
But I think it would be wise for conspiracists to take a good look at
Page 608 of Volume 5 of the Warren Commission set of volumes, in order
to see what Marina was saying about her husband in the year 1964, very
shortly after the assassination of the President.
And it's quite clear what Marina's opinion was at that time back in
1964 (regardless of the fact that she seemed to have some doubt about
who the intended target was for her husband's bullets--Kennedy or
Connally)---
"I have no doubt that he did kill the President. .... On the
basis of all the available facts, I have no doubt in my mind that Lee
Oswald killed President Kennedy." -- MARINA N. OSWALD; SEPTEMBER 6,
1964
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There is also the following testimony of Marina Oswald (also from her
9/6/64 WC session) which is rather interesting, with Senator Richard
Russell following up on Marina's new belief that her husband was
really shooting at Governor Connally instead of JFK.
And via these written words spoken by Senator Russell, it seems pretty
clear that Russell's tone toward Marina was a tad bit on the harsh
side (which is something I had noticed about Russell when reading the
transcript of one of Marina's earlier Warren Commission appearances as
well).
This portion of Marina Oswald's 9/6/64 testimony begins at the bottom
of 5 H 609:
SENATOR RICHARD B. RUSSELL -- "I am concerned about this testimony,
Mrs. Oswald, about your believing now that Lee was shooting at
Connally and not at the President, because you did not tell us that
before."
MARINA OSWALD -- "At that time I didn’t think so, but the more I mull
over it in my own mind trying to get it in my own mind what made him
do what he did, the more I think that he was shooting at Connally
rather than President Kennedy."
MR. RUSSELL -- "Now, did you not testify before that Lee wrote a
letter to Connally when he was Secretary of the Navy about the nature
of his Marine discharge?"
MRS. OSWALD -- "Yes."
MR. RUSSELL -- "And that when he got a letter back, that you asked him
what it was?"
MRS. OSWALD -- "Yes."
MR. RUSSELL -- "And he said, “Well, it’s just some Bureaucrat’s
statement”?"
MRS. OSWALD -- "Yes. Yes."
MR. RUSSELL -- "Did you not further testify that Lee said in
discussing the gubernatorial election in Texas that if he were here
and voting, that he would vote for Mr. Connally?"
MRS. OSWALD -- "Yes."
MR. RUSSELL -- "Now, do you think he would shoot and kill a man that
he would vote for, for the Governor of his state?"
MRS. OSWALD -- "The only reason is--I am trying to analyze, myself,
there was a reason--more reason to dislike Connally as a man than he
had for Kennedy."
MR. RUSSELL -- "Well, she testifed before that he had spoken, as far
as Lee spoke favorably of anyone, that he had spoken favorably of both
Kennedy and of Governor Connally." ....
MRS. OSWALD [clearly some of these words are the interpreter's and not
all Marina's] -- "He also told me that he was also favorable toward
Connally, while they were in Russia. There is a possibility that he
changed his mind, but he never told her that."
MR. RUSSELL -- "Well, I think that’s about as speculative as the
answers I’ve read here. He might have changed his mind, but he didn’t
tell her anything about it, as she testified--that discussing politics
in Texas, that he said that if he were here when they had the
election, that he would vote for John Connally for Governor, and that
was after he got the letter about the Marine corps."
MRS. OSWALD -- "That happened in Russia when he received some kind of
pamphlet with a picture of Connally, a separate time, at which time he
remarked that when he returned, if and when he returned to Texas he
would vote for Connally."
MR. RUSSELL -- "That’s right--that’s exactly right, but yet now you
say that he was his prime target. I want to know what Connally had
done to Lee since he got back from Russia that would cause him to
change his mind, to shoot him?"
MRS. OSWALD -- "I do not know, but there is a possibility that Lee
became hateful of Connally because the matter of this dishonorable
discharge was dragging so long."
MR. RUSSELL -- "Yes, but Connally had left the Navy, where he had
anything to do with the discharge, before he got the pamphlet about
his being a candidate for Governor?"
MRS. OSWALD -- "I am not sure when that particular thing happened,
whether Mr. Connally was the Secretary of the Navy or what he was
doing."
MR. RUSSELL -- "Well, it’s a matter of common knowledge that he ran
for Governor after he resigned as Secretary of the Navy."
MRS. OSWALD -- "I don’t know."
MR. RUSSELL -- "Did you not know that when Mr. Connally was running
for Governor of Texas, he was no longer Secretary of the Navy and had
nothing to do with the Marine Corps?"
MRS. OSWALD -- "Yes, I knew--I knew that he was not the Secretary of
the Navy any more because Lee told me that Connally stated in the
letter to Lee that he was no longer Secretary of Navy and hence he
couldn’t do anything for him, and that Connally referred the petition
to the proper authorities."
5 H 609 and 5 H 610:
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh5/html/WC_Vol5_0310a.htm
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh5/html/WC_Vol5_0310b.htm
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RELATED LINK:
EDDIE BARKER'S INTERVIEW WITH MARINA OSWALD IN EARLY 1964:
http://media2.myfoxdfw.com/html/JFKvideo/video/jfk014.html
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Walt
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh5/html/WC_Vol5_029...
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> Conspiracy theorists sometimes like to talk about how Marina Oswald is
> now convinced that her husband was just a patsy, who was set up to
> take the fall for both Kennedy's murder (and Officer Tippit's murder
> as well).
>
> But I think it would be wise for conspiracists to take a good look at
> Page 608 of Volume 5 of the Warren Commission set of volumes, in order
> to see what Marina was saying about her husband in the year 1964, very
> shortly after the assassination of the President.
Hey Stupid..... We know what Marina reguritated in 1964.....AFTER
she'd been sequestered at a very remote ranch for several months
following the assassination. The government paid for her stay at a
remote "Dude Ranch" under the guise that she needed rest and isolation
after the assassination. All the while she was at the ranch she was
being "tutored" about Oswald's guilt, by Priscilla Johnson Mc Millan,
who was the same government agent who interviewed Lee Oswald in Moscow
in November of 1959. ( What a coincidence) She had no contact with
anybody (like Mark Lane) who could have created any doubt in her
mind.
One of the key ideas that Mc Millan put in Marina's head was the fact
that Lee was a no good bastard for dragging poor Marina into the whole
sordid mess. Mc Millan wanted Marina to hate Lee because he had
caused her all of this grief. Priscilla Mc Millan's mission was to
plant ideas in Marinas head, and instill hated for Lee in Marina, so
that when she appeared before the Warren Commission she would
reguritate those ideas...... And that's exactly what Marina did.
Today, Marina has learned to speak english and she has come to realize
that Lee was not guilty.
> 5 H 609 and 5 H 610:http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh5/html/WC_Vol5_031...http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh5/html/WC_Vol5_031...
David Von Pein
Did McMillan put this idea into Marina's head too, Mr. Walt-
Kook?......
MARINA OSWALD -- "The more I mull over it in my own mind trying to get
Walt
Duh..... The Warren Commission was.... DESPERATE .... to find some
REASON that Oswald would have murdered JFK. They simply could find no
plausible MOTIVE...
When they told Marina that Lee had a grudge against John Connally she
had no reason to doubt them.....because he had after all told her that
he had took a shot at General Walker. Connally was too damned lazy to
check to see if Oswald had been working for the State Department when
he went to Russia and they were compelled to issue a Undesirable
Discharge to Oswald to make his "defection" seem believable to the
Russians. (The Russians were opening Oswald's mail) Connaly could
very easily have quietly checked to see if Oswald had been an american
agent, and changed Oswald's UD to honorable but he was too damned
lazy. I'd have been angry too, If I had been Oswald. I doubt that
Lee ever voiced any resentment to Marina against Connally ..simply
because Marina wouldn't have had a clue what Lee was talking about.
At anyrate they planted the idea in her head that lee was really
trying to shoot Connally but missed and killed JFK.... How utterly
STUPID!! because if Lee had been the gunman that Brennan saw ( Which
he wasn't) He would have been shooting at the convertible that Lyin
Bastard Johnson was in because THAT"S where Connally was slated to be
during the motorcade. And IF oswald had been stalking Connally He
would have been looking for him in LBJ's car.
This story is nothing but a pile of bullshit .....invented by the
shyster lawyers in a DESPERATE attempt to create a plauisible reason
for Oswald to have shot JFK.
tomnln
If having a chance, Oswald "would have voted for Connally".
"Walt" <papakoc...@evertek.net> wrote in message
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David Von Pein
Just for clarification from the mega-kook named Cakebread:
Please verify for me your belief that the following words that were
uttered by Marina N. Oswald on 9/6/64 are really NOT HER OWN WORDS AND
FEELINGS. That is, these words were PUT INTO MARINA'S MOUTH by the
Warren Commission. Is that correct, kook?:
David Von Pein
>>> "If Lee had been the gunman that Brennan saw (which he wasn't) [WALT'S ACTING LIKE A RETARD HERE--AS USUAL], he would have been shooting at the convertible that Lyin Bastard Johnson was in because THAT'S where Connally was slated to be during the motorcade." <<<
Big ol' LOL here!
Walt thinks that if Oswald really wanted to kill Connally, he would
have shot up LBJ's car -- EVEN THOUGH JOHN CONNALLY WASN'T EVEN IN
THAT CAR!
IOW -- Oswald wouldn't have NOTICED (through his four-power telescope)
that the people he was shooting at (Ralph Yarborough and Lady Bird)
didn't look a thing like the person LHO was attempting to murder. So,
per Walt, Lee would have shot WHOEVER was in LBJ's car.
Walt Cakebread is the perfect substitute for a whole DVD season set of
The Simpsons. He's THAT hilarious.
Walt
> >>> "If Lee had been the gunman that Brennan saw (which he wasn't) [WALT'S ACTING LIKE A RETARD HERE--AS USUAL], he would have been shooting at the convertible that Lyin Bastard Johnson was in because THAT'S where Connally was slated to be during the motorcade." <<<
>
> Big ol' LOL here!
>
> Walt thinks that if Oswald really wanted to kill Connally, he would
> have shot up LBJ's car -- EVEN THOUGH JOHN CONNALLY WASN'T EVEN IN
> THAT CAR!
Well I'll be dipped..... You've gotten something correct for once.
You're right JBC wasn't in LBJ's car...But that's where he'd been in
the Houston motorcade.
>
> IOW -- Oswald wouldn't have NOTICED (through his four-power telescope)
> that the people he was shooting at (Ralph Yarborough and Lady Bird)
> didn't look a thing like the person LHO was attempting to murder. So,
> per Walt, Lee would have shot WHOEVER was in LBJ's car.
I'll type this real slow, so even an idiot like you can
understand ...... If Oswald had been the guy that Brennan saw dressed
in WHITE clothing ( which he wasn't) he would not have risked sticking
the rifle with the scope on it out of the window while searching for
JBC. with the scope..... Dumbass!!
Your desperation is showing...
David Von Pein
LOL.
Walt's now funnier than TWO full-season DVD boxed sets of The
Simpsons. Without doubt!
I love it.
~LOL reprise~
Walt
> LOL.
>
> Walt's now funnier than TWO full-season DVD boxed sets of The
> Simpsons. Without doubt!
The humor is at your expense, dumbass!
Walt
Hey Stupid.... Have someone who can read decipher what Marina
actually said.
You'll need a functioning brain to understand that Marina voiced
DISBELIEF that Lee had deliberately murdered JFK. She knew that Lee
had often spoke admiringly of JFK and Jackie,so she simply didn't
belive the he had deliberately murdered JFK. The ONLY way she could
be persuaded that Lee had in fact shot JFK was if it had been an
accident. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?? Marina's handlers told her that
perhaps lee accidentally killed JFK while trying to shoot JBC.
Marina could accept that as a possibility..... Dumbass!
David Von Pein
>>> "You'll need a functioning brain to understand that Marina voiced DISBELIEF that Lee had deliberately murdered JFK. She knew that Lee had often spoke admiringly of JFK and Jackie,so she simply didn't belive [sic] the he had deliberately murdered JFK. The ONLY way she could be persuaded that Lee had in fact shot JFK was if it had been an accident. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?? Marina's handlers told her that perhaps lee accidentally killed JFK while trying to shoot JBC. Marina could accept that as a possibility..... Dumbass!" <<<
Oh my goodness! Walt just surpassed himself on the "Idiocy" scale with
the above silliness.
I'll speak slowly this time myself, so Mr. Retard can grasp things....
Any
way
you
slice
it,
Marina
STILL
was
convinced
in
1964
that
her
hubby
killed
JFK.
Got it this time, evidence-mangler?
tomnln
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