Just realized in my haste to post I misspelled Barbara's name every
time I wrote it. Sorry for not proofreading.
1. Oswald was the only one in the lineup who remotely resembled the
description.
2. Oswald was the only one battered and bruised.
3. Oswald was the worst dressed of the four, the other three being
Dallas Poice employees. ( 7 H 127 ) ( 7 H 233 )
4. Both Davises viewed the lineup together. ( 6 H 462 )
NOW IT'S MY TURN:
Now, how do YOU explain that Barbara Davis said the Tippit shooter
had
dark hair and wore a "black coat" ? ( 3 H 347 )
How do YOU explain that Barbara Davis would NOT identifiy the jacket
in evidence as the "black coat" she saw ? ( 3 H 347 )
How do YOU explain that Barbara Davis would NOT identify the shirt
Oswald was wearing at the time of his arrest as the same shirt that
the shooter wore ? ( ibid.)
How do YOU explain that Virginia Davis said that the shooter was a
"boy" who was not more than 20 years old ? ( 6 H 457 )
How do YOU explain that in spite of sitting next to each other, both
Davises claimed to have been the first to identify Oswald at the
police lineup ? ( 3 H 350 ) ( 6 H 457 )
How do YOU explain that Barbara and Virginia Davis BOTH described the
man they saw running across their lawn as having a light complexion
( 3 H 349 ) ( 6 H 457 ) when the three men in the lineup with Oswald
ALL had a ruddy complexion. ( 7 H 179 , 7 H 242-243, 7 H 168 )
How do YOU explain why the Dallas Police put two men in that lineup
who had BLOND HAIR ( 7 H 179 ) when the Davises described the man
they
saw as having either dark or light brown hair ? ( 3 H 349 ) ( 6 H
457 )
Go back to the drawing board, nutcase, the lineups were obviously
stacked and as
such, any IDs made from them were invalid.
Your points reveal how scatter-brained you are when it comes to
solving a crime. The notion that all members of a line-up are
supposed to look like one another is ridiculous. If I hadn't really
seen a person that had been arrested for committting a crime how would
I know that they all didn't look alike? I wouldn't know what they
were SUPPOSED to look like you big idiot. The only way I could pick
the actual suspect out is if I had actually SEEN him previously. This
was obviously the case with Barbara and Virginia Davis. They had seen
Oswald before and when they saw him again they recognized him. End of
story.
Concerning Oswald's hair being black...it WAS black stupid.
Concerning the "black coat" comment, Barbara clarified that all she
looked at was his face, you misleading dummy. She wasn't called down
to DPD to identify his clothing in a line-up she was called to
identify his face. The face of the person she saw emptying shells on
her front lawn ws the same face as the person she pointed to nui the
line-up. Live with it.
If the DPD were as anxiouis to frame Oswald as your silly mind believe
why then didn't they have oswald dressed in a dark jacket as Barbara
Davis described? Why would they have Oswald in a "t" shirt. That
doesn't sound like a very effecient way to frame someone does it
dummy?
The way the real world works Gil (something you know very little
about) is that people often make mistakes in recalling events.
Somethings are clear to their memories some things are not. Althought
it is not germane to this point I had a similar incident happen with
me after school one day. On about the third day of school two
students were fighting near the teacher's parking lot here in Idaho
Falls. I didn't know either one of them. One of these two was
clearly the agressor and clearly was the instigator of the fight. I
only witnessed them both for about fifteen seconds but I saw their
faces clearly. As I approached the circle along with other teachers
to break up the melee both students fled into a crowd of their friends
and ran off campus. Neither one was caught. The following day I had
to go to the Asst. Principal's office to look through last year's
yearbook to identify which two students were involved. One of them I
clearly saw the other I never recognized. After I idntified the older
of the two I was asked what he was wearing and I had no recollection
at all concerning his clothing. I was shocked I couldn't even
remember what color shirt he wore, or if it was a button front or tee
shirt. I couldn't recall if it was light or dark, short or long
sleeves. I guess I was so focused on their faces that their clothing
didn't register with my memory. Since I live within the REAL world
(somewhere you checked out of many decades ago) I can perfectly
understand why Barbara Davis would also make a mistake in trying to
recall clothing. That doesn't bother me in the least and it certainly
doesn't lead a logical, sane person to therefore conclude that it was
some OTHER stranger who shot Tippit and eluded auhtoirties for 47
years. Coupled with ALL of the other incriminating evidence against
Oswald and coupled with the identifications of Jack Tatum, Helen
Markham, Virginia Davis, as well as the forensic evidence of Oswald
holding a revolver at the time of his arrest I have no problem at all
with minor discrepancies in Barbara's testimony.
<snicker> Is Gil suggesting they should have beat up the other
three?
> 3. Oswald was the worst dressed of the four, the other three being
> Dallas Poice employees. ( 7 H 127 ) ( 7 H 233 )
>
> 4. Both Davises viewed the lineup together. ( 6 H 462 )
>
> NOW IT'S MY TURN:
Gil fights back...
http://i89.servimg.com/u/f89/13/89/35/96/retard10.jpg
Virginia Davis' phone number was found in Jack Ruby's note book ! ! !
Virginia's phone number found in Volume XIX page 562.
Same number in Ruby's note book in Volume XIX page 65.
NOT much of a teacher there steve ! ! !
Virginia Davis' phone number was found in Jack Ruby's note book ! ! !
You're saying that the guy who doesn't use citations is a
TEACHER ?????
THIS GUY ?
http://i49.tinypic.com/i4kbwx.jpg
WOW
All right Rosstards, you big dummy please continue. What does the
phone number link prove. We already know that Oswald and Ruby had
absolutely NO CONNECTION whatsoever. This has never been proven by
anyone--least of all by you. So please elaborate you big moron what
the phone number link is.
And by the way, what in the hell does the phone number connection have
to do with these women identifying Oswald as the man who ran across
their lawn emptying revolver casings? You are such an idiot that you
cannot even respond to the issue being discussed can you? Since you
were clearly cornered on the identification issue you decided to point
and yell, "Hey look over there!" Hoping I would get distracted. I
have dealt with idiots like you for thirty years. Please elaborate on
your phone number connection, dummy.
"Steve" <sahi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:36adf72b-ec9c-4898...@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
Seeing that you prefer insults, I'll start with you giving your Mother AIDS
through decades of "Incest".
You Gutless little felon Supporter have had ample opportunity to debate
these issues for Years>>>
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/invitation.htm
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Just as I thought you senile old porridge sipper. You have nothing to
offer since you were cornered over Oswald being positively I.D. after
he murdered Tippit. And also just as I thought the phone number
connection leads nowhere and was yet another of the old senile fool's
red herrings.
Thanks for proving both of my points exactly as I knew you would.
Oh and I forgot to mention...the person that is in love with Oswald
and wastes his entire autumn years defending the most guilty person
since John Wilkes Booth calls ME a felon supporter. I've never
laughed so hard in months. You truely are completely senile. It's
time for your Ensure and diaper change grandpa. You are the biggest
joke on the web.
I finally took the time to look up Senile old Fool Rostards references
and EXACTLY as I surmised--it lead NOWHERE. Geez...I wasted ten
minutes following yet another of Rossley's red herrings that leads no
where. In the first place the phone number listed on Virginia's
affidavit is difficult to read and it is unclear what the second
letter is anyway. Rosstard in his delusional and rabid attempt to
link Ruby and of ALL people Virginia Davis sees an "M" but it could be
another letter. Besides in Ruby's phone number notebook he mentions
that the WM-3-8120 phone number belongs to Leona Miller--NOT Virginia
Davis. So there goes yet another of Rosstards stupid theories that
lead absolutely nowhere. There would be nothing funnier than hearing
the case senile old Rosstards would try to compile with his decaying
old brain confused with all the bits and pieces of information
jostling around in there.
Meanwhile he completely ignores the fact that William Whaley, Willima
Scoggins, Barbara Davis, Jack Tatum, Virginia Davis, and Helen Markham
ALL place LHO at the scene of the Tippit shooting and place the
revolver in his hero's hand.
Sorry, Rosstards admit defeat on this one; you are cornered and Leona
Miller can't bail you out this time.
"Steve" <sahi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c035c178-7621-4b5b...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
steve wrote;
Just as I thought you senile old porridge sipper. You have nothing to
offer since you were cornered over Oswald being positively I.D. after
he murdered Tippit. And also just as I thought the phone number
connection leads nowhere and was yet another of the old senile fool's
red herrings.
Thanks for proving both of my points exactly as I knew you would.
I write;
You Stupid AIDS Distributor;
You don't know the first thing about the Tippit Murder.
SEE http://whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
You know even less about testimony>>>
http://whokilledjfk.net/testimony.htm
You continue RUNNIN from debate>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/invitation.htm
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Steve" <sahi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:11f50aa8-f391-4aff...@s3g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
steve wrote;
Oh and I forgot to mention...the person that is in love with Oswald
and wastes his entire autumn years defending the most guilty person
since John Wilkes Booth calls ME a felon supporter. I've never
laughed so hard in months. You truely are completely senile. It's
time for your Ensure and diaper change grandpa. You are the biggest
joke on the web.
I write;
Your position is Indefensible because you refuse to debate>>>
http://whokilledjfk.net/invitation.htm
As for insults;
Drink the white one on even days;
Drink the yellow one on odd days;
See ya at the debate forum steve;
Remember to bring Plenty of Tampons ! ! !
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Steve" <sahi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1faa88c2-1a37-472e...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
Exactly as I thought. Not one point of substance. Let me guess...you
don't believe Tippit was ever really murdered. You are an old senile
fool. Admit it.
> Meanwhile he completely ignores the fact that William Whaley, Willima
> Scoggins, Barbara Davis, Jack Tatum, Virginia Davis, and Helen Markham
> ALL place LHO at the scene of the Tippit shooting
This is what happens when you don't read the testimony, folks:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/156258076c5780fa
> Meanwhile he completely ignores the fact that William Whaley, Willima
> Scoggins, Barbara Davis, Jack Tatum, Virginia Davis, and Helen Markham
> ALL place LHO at the scene of the Tippit shooting
"the LOWEST and LEAST reliable level of evidence is ear- or eye-
witnesses testimony."
--- "Steve" 7/15/09
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b1de0bf8ac5e44f8
Unless, of course it serves his purpose.
Nah... I've asked several times for the name of any eyewitness that LNT'ers can
believe completely in their earliest testimony... and the silence has been
deafening. Even such "solid" LNT'er eyewitnesses such as Brennen must be
discounted, because the clothing description he gave simply cannot be used.
Even such rock-solid eyewitnesses such as Dr. Humes, who spent HOURS in
examination, and wrote up his observations within 24 hours, and testified to it,
cannot be believed by the kooks.
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ben Holmes
Learn to Make Money with a Website - http://www.burningknife.com
Don't try lifting a portion of my comments out of context and try
using them against me. That is EXACTLY what you conspiracy-believing
nuts love doing. My comments about ear-eyewitness testimony is and
ALWAYS HAS BEEN that ear and eyewitness testimony is only believed
when it is backed up with forensic evidence. That has been my
position for as long as I have been contributing to this forum. In
the Tippit shooting that is exactly why I believe the testimony of
these eyewitnesses--what they said is backed up with forensic
evidence. Oswald was seen with a revolver in his hand by several of
these witnesses--when Oswald was caught he DID have a revolver.
Oswald was seen emptying shells by hand as he crossed the lawn of
Barbara and Virginia Davis--when Oswald was caught his revolver DID
require manual removal of spent casings. Oswald was seen removing
empty shells from his revolver and when he was caught his revolver
DIDN'T have any empty cartridges in it. The bullets recovered from
Tippit's body did not match any other other weapon (thus precluding
Oswald's weapon being the murder weapon.) Oswald was witnessed
fleeing towards Jefferson Blvd by SEVERAL eyewitnesses and when he was
caught it was ON Jefferson Blvd.
So you see, stupid, I believe the eyewitnesses and ear witnesses
because more reliable evidence supports what they said.
You on the other hand believe eyewitness testimony with absolutely NO
forensic evidence supporting it (a front gunman and rear exit wound).
That is what separates you from the sane world.
Which evidence is that Steve ?
The bullets that couldn't be matched to Oswald's handgun to the
exclusion of all other weapons ?
The jacket that couldn't be matched to Oswald through the laundry
tag ?
The shells that went from being .38 automatics to .38 specials ?
Outside of the eyewitness accounts, tell us Steve, the overwhelming
PHYSICAL evidence that convinces you that Oswald murdered JD Tippit.
Dear Stupid,
You haven't offered one speck of evidence that ANYONE ELSE shot
Tippit, all you've done is generated minor questions about the
existing evidence (which by the way ALWAYS exists in the real world--
somewhere you haven't visited in decades.)
The fact that Oswald was seen wearing a jacket prior to the shooting
of Tippit and then was seen throwing a jacket beneath a car during his
frantic escape attempt and then a jacket WAS found where witnesses
said they saw him throw it proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the
jacket was Oswald's. The fact that a laundry tag can't be matched to
Oswald doesn't mean it belonged to someone else stupid, it simply
means that the laundry tag didn't add another level of reliability to
that portion of the case against Oswald. Remember stupid that the
revolver WAS matched to Oswald through his post office box and the
original order form, yet you are to stupid to accept that evidence.
Why would a laundry tag make any difference to you. You are a liar
since the evidence that actually DOES exist you don't accept anyway.
Oswald's rifle was matched to Oswald's handwritten order form by
handwriting experts and the photographs Marina took show Oswald
holding that very weapon yet you are to stupid to accept that
evidence. So don't act like a laundry tag would convince you of the
jacket's ownership.
Additionally, the bullets, while not being able to be matched to
Oswald's gun to the exclusion of all other weapons (due to Oswald's
revolver having been rebored) does NOT prove that it was a different
gun that killed Tippit stupid. All it means is that balistic's tests
couldn't match it to Oswald's revolver. But remember stupid, that you
don't believe that CE 399 was involved in the assassination either yet
it WAS matched to Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons
on the planet. So again you are caught in a lie claiming that
balistics evidence would convince you. You simply are a liar who
demands a particular level of evidence to convince you in one instance
yet at the same time you ignore that very level of evidence in another
instance.
Face it stupid. You don't have a CLUE what happened in the Tippit
shooting. You don't know who did it. You don't know where they went
after the shooting. You can't explain why so many people identified
Oswald as the killer.
Or can you?
Please outline with YOUR evidence, stupid, and tell us all what REALLY
happened in the Tippit shooting. I would LOVE to read your list of
evidence pointing to another gunman. The floor is your Giltard.
Clear your throat, speak directly into the microphone, and lay out
what REALLY happened in the Tippit shooting. I will bet anything you
ignore this challenge since you know that you don't have any idea what
really happened with your bits and pieces of so-called evidence.
Ready, set, go!!!!
Dear nutcase,
It's not my job to prove anyone guilty.
As a supporter of the prosecution who believes in Oswald's guilt, It's
YOUR job to prove Oswald guilty.
As a supporter of Oswald's innocence, mine is to produce doubt that
your evidence is correct.
The defense NEVER proves anyone guilty.
But one need not look past the testimony involving the police lineups
to see that there was gross police misconduct.
I'm getting tired of educating you.
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/john's%20used%20cars.htm
"Steve" <sahi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b41b2321-3c72-435d...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
You even FAIL as a student !
CE-142 did NOT require "manual removal" of spent shells.
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/damage_control.htm
The shells recovered from the Tippit murder came from THREE (3) Different
weapons.
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
"Steve" <sahi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:83a226dc-5600-4008...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
"Steve" <sahi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3f6d9db1-f609-4584...@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
Dear Stupid,
Or can you?
Ready, set, go!!!!
CHECKMATE ! ! !
> You FAIL as a teacher !
>
> You even FAIL as a student !
Tom:
I have a feeling that we're going to find out who this birdbrain
really is very soon.
Gil, Gil, Gil you fell back on the tire excuse of ALL conspiracty
nuts. You don't have a clue what happened do you? With all of the
evidence you claim to amassed you still can't put a case together
against anyone else can you? It is the cry of the losers in the
conspiracy community, "Hey I don't need to prove anything. I'm just
pointing out that it wasn't Oswald that did it."
But in the REAL world (a place you and Rosstards have only read about)
evidence left behind at a crime scene actually points to a person. In
all of your amassed evidence (which in reality is none at all) it
points to no one. Therefore Rosstards and Giltard are left to
conclude based on their many years of research that NO ONE killed
Officer Tippit and NO ONE killed President Kennedy. It is easy to
simply stand on the sidelilnes as you two nuts do and point out
alleged problems with the evidence but it is something entirely
different to actually build a case against someone based on the
evidence you've found (which is none.) That is what eats away at you
every day. You don't have a case against another single person on the
planet.
Rosstards, the senile old fool directed me to his stupid website
claiming that he had solved the Tippit murder. Nothing could be
further from the truth. He has some irrelevant balistics experiments
(which he explains clearly do not really relate to the actual evidence
in the Tippit murder in any way--at least that part was honest) but he
doesn't build a case against anyone else at all. Hardly a checkmate.
Neither one of you two idiots can explain why so many people place
Oswald at the scene of the murder. And the fact that Marina said she
always washed Oswald's clothes means nothing. The laundry tag could
have been there prior to Oswald even acquiring the jacket. By the
way, since you believe what Marina said in that instance, do you also
believe Marina when she said she took the backyard photographs? You
two idiots are certainly selective in what you believe Marina did and
didn't do aren't you. Sorry to expose your double standard there but
I couldn't resist.
Meanwhile neither one of you can explain why so many people place
Oswald at the Tippit murder scene and what a convenient coincidence it
is that he was arrested within a couple of blocks of the shooting
carrying a loaded revolver that just happened to be the same size as
the Tippit murder weapon.
Nice try you two big dummies but you lose on this point.
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
As for steve's insults?
I think he works at a school just to have access to little boys !
steve knows as little as that other Felon Supporter toad vaughan.
"Steve" <sahi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:42a139f9-fb7e-4789...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
So grandpa, back to my original question--the one that you and Giltard
avoid addressing. If Oswald wasn't at the scene of the Tippit murder,
why do so many eyewitnesses place him there at the time of the murder.
I'm still waiting Ensure.
Also please list for me your eyewitnesses that place a DIFFERENT
gunman killing Tippit.
Good luck you senile old fool.
steve-o-reno is the dumbest lone nut stump to show up here in a long,
long, LONG time... the simpleton can't find a job so he haunts this
place.... what a sorry shit he is!
Well if it isn't the dumbass Healey. Did they let you out of rehab
for the holidays? I'll warn the drivers of Henderson to stay off the
roads until you go back in after new year.
While I've got your ear Davy. Can YOU possibly explain why so many
witnesses place Oswald at the scene of a murder you don't believe he
committed. Grandpa Rossley and the outcast Giltard have been
unsuccessful and unwilling to take a stab at it. I know this question
will fall on deaf ears because you have never expressed a cogent
thought backed with ANy evidence so instead you simply try insults.
But maybe you can help the retard and the senile old fool with a
logical explanation as to why so many people would place Oswald
shooting Tippit, fleeing the scene of the Tippit shooting, holding a
revolver like the one he was arrested with, and taking off the jacket
that was later recovered. I would love to hear one of you conspiracy
dumbasses take a stab at it.
I post and the lone nut shithead jumps.... so see here troll, I want
you to jump 6' high.... on your toes shithead! MOVE... LMFAO
"aeffects" <aeffe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e2083344-5d3f-4111...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
> SEE>>> �http://whokilledjfk.net/convict_steve.htm
Like I said earlier, that's what happens when you don't know the
evidence, folks.
ROFLMAO
All of those Youtube posts and all of Rosstards information yet
neither one of you can address my question. You still cannot explain
why so many people who had never met one another or had never met
Oswald placed him at the scene of the Tippit shooting with a revolver
in his hand and then fleeing the scene.
All of your posturing and misdirection doesn't fool me. I've dealt
with idiots like you two for thirty years and it never changes. When
you are cornered and don't have an answer you try misdirection but
that only works with conspiracy dumbasses. You still cannot explain
why Oswald was placed at the scene. Admit it, you are beat on this
point and you have no logical response.
Ahh....sweet victory.
I addressed your question. You just ignored it.
Here it is again:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/156258076c5780fa
Now you explain why you didn't know that the phone number in Jack
Ruby's notebook was the same as the phone number for Virginia Davis.
How many times do you retards need this explained to you?
> � �How many times do you retards need this explained to you?-
We're still waiting for you to explain WHY this site is listing your
location as Rochester, New York.
Giltard,
I challenged that senile old fool Rosstard to explain the significance
of the phone numbers and he has not been heard from since, since it
clearly leads nowhere. So now it is your turn. Tells us all the
connection between Ruby and Virginia Davis. And while you are at it
please explain why the phone number in Ruby's notebook didn't list
Virginia Davis's name next to the number. And please remember that
the WC exhibit of the Davis phone number is not clear as to the excond
letter is it Giltard. Therefore the two numbers may not be the same
at all, right?
Benevides' "long hair in the back cut straight across"?
Markham's "short, stocky with Bushy hair"?
steve is part of the Jack Schitt Family>>>
SEE>>> http://jack.zunino.net/knowjack.htm
"Steve" <sahi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:283443e8-5e47-45bd...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
"aeffects" <aeffe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dd146543-64be-4655...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
steve is as Stupid(criminal) as toad vaughan that I RAN off of this
newsgroup.
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/todd_vaughan.htm
ps;
They both have the same ISP.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Benevides' "long hair in the back cut straight across"?
Markham's "short, stocky with Bushy hair"?
steve is part of the Jack Schitt Family>>>
SEE>>> http://jack.zunino.net/knowjack.htm
"Steve" <sahi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5b50741a-13b1-47ed...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
"Steve" <sahi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:59242998-83f5-48e7...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
<snicker>Do you need my explanation repeated for you?
"tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:lAs_m.12218$mr6....@newsfe08.iad...