FOR DAVID VON PAIN
tomnln
The autopsy material is PHONY David.
http://whokilledjfk.net/horne__report.htm
I'm surprised that a well read individual like you didn't know this.
Unless you DID know it but, decided to Dodge it.
"David Von Pein" <davev...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>>>> "Purvis' impression is more in line with the {autopsy} report than VB's
>>>> impression. Purvis believes the doctors missed an entrance wound. VB
>>>> insists that not only did they miss this wound, they invented another
>>>> one 4 inches away, and then swore to seeing this wound in the photos on
>>>> two separate occasions." <<<
>
> Purvis' impression is not in line with either the official autopsy
> report or with VB's position on the matter. No way. No how. And the
> main reason is that we KNOW (via the AR and the testimony of all 3
> autopsy physicians for decades on end) that there was ONLY ONE ENTRY
> WOUND IN JFK'S HEAD.
>
> And the Official Autopsy Report, while it could be more exacting and
> specific as to the precise location of the entry wound (I can't deny
> that), does not differ greatly from the HSCA version of the entry hole
> in the head IMO....
>
> "Situated in the posterior scalp approximately 2.5 cm. laterally to
> the right and slightly above the external occipital protuberance is a
> lacerated wound measuring 15 x 6 mm." -- Via JFK's November 1963
> Autopsy Report
>
> ....With the MAIN point (to stress again this critical fact) being:
> ALL official versions of the President's head wounds -- from the
> autopsy report, to the autopsy doctors, to the WC, to the Clark Panel,
> and to the HSCA/FPP -- verify the fact that there was only ONE single
> bullet wound of entrance on the back side of President Kennedy's head
> on 11/22/63.
>
> And this "One Wound Of Entry" fact was hammered home once again in
> June of 1967, when Dr. James Humes (in his first public interview
> since his 1964 WC testimony) said this to an audience of millions on
> CBS-TV:
>
> DAN RATHER -- "About the head wound....there was only one?"
>
> DR. HUMES -- "There was only one entrance wound in the head; yes,
> sir."
>
> RATHER -- "And that was where?"
>
> DR. HUMES -- "That was posterior, about two-and-a-half centimeters to
> the right of the mid-line posteriorly."
>
> RATHER -- "And the exit wound?"
>
> DR. HUMES -- "And the exit wound was a large, irregular wound to the
> front and right side of the President's head."
>
> RATHER -- "Now can you be absolutely certain that the wound you
> describe as the entry wound was in FACT that?"
>
> DR. HUMES -- "Yes, indeed, we can. Very precisely and
> incontrovertibly. The missile traversed the skin and then traversed
> the bony skull....and as it passed through the skull it produced a
> characteristic coning or bevelling effect on the inner aspect of the
> skull. Which is scientific evidence that the wound was made from
> behind and passed forward through the President's skull."
>
> RATHER -- "This is very important....you say there's scientific
> evidence....is it conclusive scientific evidence?"
>
> DR. HUMES -- "Yes, sir; it is."
>
> RATHER -- "Is there any doubt that the wound at the back of the
> President's head was the entry wound?"
>
> DR. HUMES -- "There is absolutely no doubt, sir."
>
> www.DavidVonPein.blogspot.com
>
>
cdddraftsman
Excerpted from a slightly different version of a chapter in :
Kooks : A Guide to the Outer Limits of Human Belief
"If the evidence doesn't seem to fit a particular conspiracy theory,
just create a bigger conspiracy theory."
Robert D. Hicks, In Pursuit of Satan
"I am still searching for the truth. I firmly believe that this book
is closer to the truth than anything ever previously written."
William Cooper, Behold a Pale Horse
Conspiracy theories are like black holes; they explain everything,
sucking in facts the way black holes suck in matter. And, like black
holes, each conspiracy theory is a portal to another universe that
paradoxically resides within our own. Everything you've ever known or
experienced, no matter how "meaningless," once it comes in contact
with that universe, is enveloped by it, and is then cloaked in
sinister significance.
People, as well as facts are prone to stumble into one of the many
conspiracy universes. Once inside, the vortex only gains in size and
strength, sucking in everything that person touches. Bill Cooper, who
calls himself an independent UFO researcher, has entered such a
universe, and it's likely that he will never return. He identifies
with his theory so completely that he thinks anyone who challenges
it--
even his friends--do so only because they're part of the conspiracy.
It is no use to point out contradictions, or even trivial errors,
because Bill Cooper knows THE TRUTH.
Though William Cooper is a self-professed regular guy and ex-military
man, his claims rival the Weekly World News for sensationalism.
Cooper
doesn't merely believe that our government signed a formal treaty
with
extraterrestrials in 1954, or that we have already set up a base on
the planet Mars, or any number of other bizarre claims; he knows
these
things to be true, because while working for Naval Intelligence, he
actually saw the secret documents that prove them.
Cooper burst upon the UFO scene with these claims in 1988, and has
been a controversial and infamous figure ever since. He gives public
lectures, is heard on the radio, sends out newsletters and, in 1991
came out with a book, Behold a Pale Horse. In UFO research circles,
Cooper is best known for accusing his colleagues to be CIA agents and
for physically threatening them. According to researcher Bob Lazar,
"Everyone seems to have a Bill Cooper story..."
Since 1988, Cooper has been accused of being an alcoholic, a liar and
a fascist or even worse, written off as a psychopath; with the
exception of Jacques Vallee, his critics have focused more attention
on his belligerent personality, than on the obvious contradictions
and
factual errors of his story. His opponents take him seriously enough
that they go to great pains to discredit him, in order to defend
themselves against his accusations. If the UFO researchers hadn't
their own crashed saucer/government cover-up stories to defend, they
might see the connections between Bill Cooper's stories and their
own,
as well as the--possibly inherent--relation between conspiratorial
logic and some UFO phenomena.
Behold a Pale Horse is a fine example of conspiratorial logic.
Therein, Cooper includes every gory detail of the sinister alien plot
to control humanity, as well as the documents which supposedly back
it
all up. He also includes the story of his own UFO sightings while in
the military, background on his involvement with Naval Intelligence,
as well as a sentimental account of his ancestors' survival of the
American Frontier. Cooper paints himself as a patriotic Red-Blooded
American Male who loves Mom and Apple Pie and would fight and die to
defend the American Way, who just happened to stumble upon the
greatest secret in the history of the world.
Cooper was born into a military family in 1943, and upon graduating
high school in 1961 (in Japan) enlisted in the Air Force. During his
more than ten years in both the Air Force and the Navy, he was an
exemplary member, earning medals, and steadily taking on greater
responsibility. Soon after enlisting, he was graced with a Secret
security clearance, and, outfitted with a dosimeter, worked around
"REAL atomic bombs" on a daily basis. He says that he was part of the
elite of the Air Force and though still a young recruit, "met a
couple
of sergeants who kind of adopted" him. When the sergeants told him
stories about being "attached to a special unit that recovered
crashed
flying saucers," he didn't believe them because they always came out
when the group was "half-tanked." Besides, "sergeants were known to
tell some tall tales to younger guys like [Cooper.]" But a few years
later, he began to believe these stories, after seeing a few saucers
of his own.
In 1966, after switching from the Air Force to the Navy, Cooper
volunteered for submarines. While on watch aboard the USS Tiru Cooper
saw his first flying saucer. At first, Cooper was the only one to see
the saucer, which was the size of an aircraft carrier, "rise from
beneath the ocean" and then "disappear into the clouds." But within
minutes, it was back, this time capturing the attention of several
others.
Cooper recounts that everyone who had seen the craft was ordered to
keep quiet about it; they weren't even allowed to talk among
themselves. Cooper says that he signed documents that spelled out
what
would happen if he ever told anyone what he had seen: he could be
fined up to $10,000, imprisoned up to 10 years, or both. Cooper says
that not long after this incident, he "devolunteered" from
submarines.
In 1968 Cooper was transferred to Naval Security and Intelligence
School where he received special training in preparing and conducting
Pacific-area intelligence briefings. His semi-heroic stint in Vietnam
came immediately after this. To hear Cooper talk about it, you would
think we had been in a war against space aliens rather than
Communists:
The whole time I was in Vietnam and especially on the DMZ I had
noticed that there was a lot of UFO activity. We had individual 24-
hour crypto code sheets that we used to encode messages, but because
of the danger that one of them could be captured at any time, we used
special code words for sensitive information. UFOs, I was told, were
definitely sensitive information. I learned exactly how sensitive
when
all the people of an entire village disappeared after UFOs were seen
hovering above their huts. I learned that both sides had fired upon
the UFOs, and they had blasted back with a mysterious blue light.
Rumors floated around that UFOs had kidnapped and mutilated two army
soldiers, then dropped them in the bush. No one knew how much of this
was true, but the fact that the rumors persisted made me tend to
think
there was at least some truth in them. I found out later that most of
those rumors were true.
Cooper also claims that during the Vietnam War a UFO shot down a
B-52,
that U.S. troops were attacked by "something" which they first
thought
were helicopters and that he himself witnessed an incident involving
the recovery of "a craft" which was listed as a Soviet submarine.
But it was only when he was back in Hawaii, with an upgraded security
clearance (Top Secret, Q, Sensitive Compartmentalized Information),
that he found out what all this UFO activity meant. As a member of
the
Intelligence Briefing Team of the Commander in Chief of the Pacific
Fleet (CINPACFLT), it was Cooper's job to brief high-level officers
about various documents. The contents of these documents were what
led
Cooper to an "18-year search" that culminated in writing Behold a
Pale
Horse.
Cooper's first revelation as a member of the CINPACFLT briefing team
was that the Office of Naval Intelligence "had participated in the
assassination of President John F. Kennedy and that it was the Secret
Service agent driving the limo that had shot Kennedy in the
head. ..."
But this was only the tip of the iceberg. By 1972, Cooper had found
out all about the Secret Government, the coming ice age, Alternatives
One, Two and Three, Project GALILEO, and most sinister of all, the
plan for the New World Order.
Chapter 12 of Behold A Pale Horse, entitled "The Secret Government"
reads like The Weekly World News but was originally delivered as a
research paper at the MUFON Symposium in Las Vegas on July 2, 1989.
It
contains Cooper's conspiracy theory in a nutshell. The information
was
supposedly gleaned during Cooper's stint as a member of the CINPACFLT
briefing team, but he cannot divulge the specific sources, "for
obvious reasons."
Any one of Cooper's revelations, if true, would have been enough to
keep investigators, journalists, historians and scientists busy for
the next hundred years. But focusing on any one aspect of Cooper's
junk heap of claims is impossible. Each revelation only leads deeper
into the sinister tangle of secrecy and manipulation.
Though Cooper believes that secret societies have been running the
world for centuries, the modern era of secret government began in
1947, with the advent of flying saucers. Between January 1947 and
December 1952 "at least 16 crashed or downed alien craft, 65 alien
bodies and 1 live alien were recovered." In addition to the alien
bodies, those who recovered the saucers discovered "a large number of
human body parts stored within [two of the] vehicles." At the time, a
special group of American top scientists were organized to study the
alien phenomenon; this was all top secret, of course. In fact, the
original CIA, then called the "Central Intelligence Group" as well as
the National Security Agency were formed for the express purpose of
dealing with the alien presence.
Cooper reveals that not everyone agreed with the policy of secrecy,
and were dealt with accordingly:
Secretary of Defense James Forrestal objected to the secrecy. ... He
believed that the public should be told. James Forrestal was also one
of the first known abductees. When he began to talk to leaders of the
opposition party and leaders of Congress about the alien problem he
was asked to resign by Truman. ... Forrestal later was said to have
suffered a mental breakdown. He was ordered to the mental ward of
Bethesda Naval Hospital. ... Finally, on May 21, 1949, Forrestal's
brother made a fateful decision. He notified authorities that he
intended to remove James from Bethesda on May 22. Sometime in the
early morning of May 22, 1949, agents of the CIA tied a sheet around
James Forrestal's neck, fastened the other end to a fixture in his
room, then threw James Forrestal out the window. The sheet tore and
he
plummeted to his death. James Forrestal's secret diaries were
confiscated by the CIA and were kept in the White House for many
years. Due to public demand the diaries were eventually rewritten and
published in a sanitized version. The real diary information was
later
furnished by the CIA in book form to an agent who published the
material as fiction. The name of the agent is Whitley Streiber and
the
book is Majestic. James Forrestal became one of the first victims of
the cover-up.
Whitley Streiber had openly written Majestic as a fictionalized
account of a possible event, but Cooper apparently sees it as
factual.
What is even more surprising is that Cooper also sees the movies E.T.
and Close Encounters of the Third Kind as "thinly disguised" versions
of historical fact. The science fiction book Alternative 003 is also,
according to Cooper, "70% true."
The real story behind the movie E.T., Cooper says, is that the true-
to-
life alien was actually called "EBE," to stand for Extraterrestrial
Biological Entity. In 1951 the "chlorophyll-based" EBE became ill and
though doctors, botanists and entomologists were called in, their
efforts to save him failed; EBE died on June 2, 1952.
Many more aliens were on the way, however. Cooper reports that in
1953, 10 more flying saucers crashed and 26 dead aliens and 4 live
ones were recovered. The newly elected President Eisenhower was in a
fix because of all this, and turned to Nelson Rockefeller; together
they developed a plan to "wrestle and beat the alien problem."
In the meantime, astronomers had found that large objects, first
thought to be asteroids, were fast approaching earth. The objects
were
in fact more alien spaceships. The government subsequently used radio
communications and "computer binary language" to arrange a landing,
which resulted in diplomatic relations between the U.S. and this
second race of aliens, who left a "hostage" as a "pledge that they
would return and formalize a treaty." But yet a third race of
aliens--
enemies of the second race--was arriving as well. After they landed
at
an Air Force Base in Florida, they "offered to help us with our
spiritual development," but in exchange, wanted us to dismantle our
nuclear weapons. Needless to say, we didn't take them up on the
offer.
By 1954, the second race of aliens had landed, and met with
Eisenhower
to sign a formal treaty. The U.S. Government received an alien
ambassador during this meeting, whose name was "His Omnipotent
Highness Krlll," but "in the American tradition of disdain for royal
titles he was secretly called Original Hostage Crlll, or Krlll."
Cooper says that this meeting was filmed and that the films still
exist. Later, Krlll "gave lots of information, scientific data, some
of which was published in the open scientific literature under the
name of O.H. Krill, after being sanitized. ...Krill is still alive."
Cooper knows all the details of the treaty with the
extraterrestrials.
It stated that we wouldn't interfere in their affairs and they
wouldn't interfere in ours; we would keep their presence a secret,
and
they would furnish us with their technological advances; they were
allowed to abduct human beings on a limited basis for medical
examination and monitoring of our development, as long as they didn't
harm anyone in the process; there would also be a swapping of 16
personnel each, for educational purposes; underground bases would be
constructed for the humanoid guests. One of these underground bases,
a
"super-Top Secret facility," was built at Groom Lake in Nevada, code-
named "Area 51." Cooper adds, "According to documentation that I
read,
at least 600 alien beings actually resided full time at this site
along with an unknown number of scientists and CIA personnel."
All these crashed and orbiting saucers, three alien races, treaties,
and a cover up of the whole thing, required almost the entire U.S.
government to deal with it all. But international groups, such as the
Bilderbergers (which now controls the world) and the Trilateral
Commission (formed in secret before 1973) became involved as well; in
fact the main reason these groups were formed was to deal with the
alien question. Cooper adds that "the name of the Trilateral
Commission was taken from the alien flag known as the Trilateral
Insignia."
Cooper's version of the now-famous "MJ-12" story is as follows:
Eisenhower established a permanent committee, made up of future
members of the One World Government, which became known as Majesty
Twelve (MJ-12). This group would "oversee and conduct all covert
activities concerned with the alien question." Among its 19 members
were Nelson Rockefeller, Allen Dulles, John Foster Dulles, J. Edgar
Hoover, George Bush and Dr. Edward Teller. Since George Bush was on
MJ-12, he obviously knew the alien secret while President. But the
general policy was to keep the alien presence so secret that even the
President didn't know. Kennedy did find out, however, and the reason
he was assassinated was because--you guessed it--he was about to
divulge the alien secret to the American People.
William Cooper--the biggest whistleblower of them all--has not yet
gone the way of Kennedy and Forrestal. The reason for this, Cooper
says, is that this would show the world that what he says is true.
All
the conspirators can do at this point is harass and discredit him.
The
reason he is having conflicts with the larger UFO research community
is that most UFO researchers, including Stanton Friedman, William
Moore, Philip Klass, John Keel, Charles Berlitz, Budd Hopkins, Dr. J.
Allen Hynek (now deceased) and even horror novelist Whitley Strieber,
are really working for the CIA and the Office of Naval Intelligence.
Even UFO Magazine, with its obviously slim budget, is financed and
controlled by the CIA. And, though Jacques Vallee isn't mentioned in
this particular blacklist, after one meeting and several phone
conversations, he too joined the ranks of the accused.
Besides the fact that they're all famous for being involved in the
UFO
question, about the only thing these people have in common is that
they don't agree with Bill Cooper. But, since Cooper knows the truth,
questioning his information is tantamount to blasphemy. I have seen
three accounts of Bill Cooper from among those on that list; two from
UFO magazine, and one from Jacques Vallee. Both Vallee and UFO reveal
simple details that show the obvious falsity of key elements in
Cooper's story. When presented with these details, Cooper brushes
them
aside, sticks to his story, and eventually becomes enraged.
Perhaps the most embarrassing weakness in Cooper's story is his claim
that he saw a document authored by "O.H. Krill," whom Cooper
identifies as the alien ambassador to the United States. Apparently
this document is well known in the UFO field. According to UFO
magazine, it was conceived by John Grace a.k.a "Val Valerian," head
of
the Nevada Aerial Research organization. The name "O.H. Krill" was an
inside joke; a woman who appeared on the TV special, UFOs: It Has
Begun, had channelled an entity name CRYLLL, and Grace had "just
pulled the O.H. out of thin air." During the time when Cooper was
teaming up with John Lear, Cooper told a TV interviewer that he'd
seen
an O.H. Krill document in the early 70's. Lear apparently turned
"beet
red," pulled Cooper aside, and tried to tell him that O.H. Krill was
just a joke. Cooper stuck to his story, however, and replied that he
really did see that document in 1972. Lear subsequently dropped the
issue, but then "began to wonder just how much of Bill Cooper was
real."
A similar incident involves yet another document Cooper claims to
have
seen during the 70's. UFO researcher Bob Lazar says that in 1988 he
wrote a paper at Los Alamos concerning "Project Excalibur," an
"earth-
penetrating, nuclear-tipped missile designed to destroy underground
facilities." He gave a copy to Lear, who then gave a copy to Cooper:
...I heard Cooper reading it verbatim, word for word, at the (1989)
MUFON convention. He claimed to have seen it in the mid-'70s. I then
heard him on the Billy Goodman show. I called him; he recognized the
voice. He said he knew who I was. I then asked him, "Bill, that
Excalibur missile thing, did you get that at John Lear's or did you
read that in the '70's?"
I gave him an out if he had forgotten. He said no, "I read that word
for word in 1973." I said okay and thanks. That was my first
confirmation that this guy was a complete liar.
It is not unreasonable to conclude, like Lazar, that Bill Cooper is
simply a liar. But probably what is really going on is much more
complex than that. If Cooper is lying, one has to wonder, WHY? Why
would he put his sanity, credibility and even his life on the line
for
something he himself thinks is false? The fact that many people who
have seen UFOs have kept it to themselves is a testament to the fact
that even now, the entire topic of UFOs, not to mention flying
saucers
and extraterrestrials, is taboo; these are not the kind of claims
that
bring anyone fortune or fame, but rather misfortune and infamy.
Another reason that I don't think Cooper is consciously deceiving
people is that Vallee had observed during his contact with him that
Cooper seemed very sincere. His writing, as well, is sincere to the
point of embarrassment. His behavior suggests someone who is
emotionally attached to certain ideas, and the holes in his story
don't seem to be the product of a slick liar, but of someone who is
naive, ill-informed and very gullible. Vallee interprets Cooper's
story--as well as the entire mass of disinformation floating around
in
UFO circles--as possible manipulation by an unknown third party;
Cooper might simply be a pawn in someone else's game. Vallee suggests
that Bill Cooper and others may have been fed false "top secret"
documents for various reasons, such as to cover up bona fide secret
military information, to test responses to alien invasion, or even to
promote fascist ideology. Certain UFO sightings as well, Vallee
suggests, may have been staged.
Though Cooper may well have seen some falsified documents, many of
those he claims to have seen simply didn't exist at the time.
Vallee's
interpretation may account for certain aspects of Cooper's story, but
not all of it. If Cooper is being deceived by someone, it's most
likely himself. He himself suggests that he may have been
manipulated,
with the alien scenario as "the greatest hoax in history designed to
create an alien enemy from outer space in order to expedite the
formation of a one-world government."
Rather than a UFO researcher, Cooper is a classic conspiracy
theorist,
who cloaks 19th century xenophobia in Space-Age guise. His book even
contains a reprint of the entire text of "The Protocols of the Wise
Men of Zion," with a prefatory note, explaining that references to
"The Jews" should be replaced by "Illuminati" and the word "goyim"
replaced with the word "cattle." Though Cooper is trying to leave the
Jews out of his list of conspirators, he's not trying hard enough.
Cooper had remarked to Vallee:
There are four types of aliens. There are two kinds of Grays,
including one race, not commonly seen, that has a large nose. Then
there are the Nordic types, tall blond Aryans, and finally the Orange
ones. They come from Orion, the Pleiades, Betelgeuse, Barnard's star
and Zeta Reticuli. ...
You know, I'm not a religious man. But if you look at the Bible...
The
Angels could be the Nordic types and the Grays could well be the
demonic ones. After all, the Bible talks about a pact with the Devil
in the last days, after Israel is reinstated. Leading to Armageddon.
Rather than Jews that are controlling the world, it is the demonic
big-
nosed gray aliens from Zeta Reticuli. And rather than Aryans that
will
save mankind, it will be tall blond angelic beings from the Pleiades.
Cooper also reprints some documents which purportedly show the "U.S.
Army Intelligence Connection with [the] Satanic Church." Michael
Aquino, leader of the "Temple of Set," it seems, is also a member of
U.S. Army Intelligence. I'm not sure what this information is
supposed
to prove, but it's clear that the principles of Freedom of Religion
and Separation of Church and State mean nothing to Cooper, who claims
that his only political stance is "constitutional."
In fact, Cooper believes himself to be serving a higher cause than
the
U.S. Constitution; he is engaged in the battle between angels and
demons which will culminate in Armageddon and Doom's Day.
Discrepancies, errors and even false statements just aren't very
important, when you're serving TRUTH.
References
Cooper, Vicki. "The UFO Fascists," UFO, Vol. 7, No. 4, 1992.
Cooper, William. Behold a Pale Horse. Sedona, AZ: Light Technology
Publishing, 1991.
Ecker, Don. "The Whistleblowers - Part I: Focus on Bill Cooper," UFO,
Vol. 5, No. 4, 1990.
Vallee, Jacques. ,Revelations: Alien Contact and Human Deception. New
York: Ballantine Books, 1991.
© 1995, Donna Kossy
Links
William "Bill" Cooper & John Lear
The Fraud, The hoax and the Fight
BEHOLD A STALE HORSE
and THE HOUR OF THE CRIME: by UFO Magazine
David Von Pein
sure to get you a lot of respect, Thomas. Kooks following kooks. Nice.
Here's what VB had to say about Mr. Horne's "2 Brains" theory.......
"My God. RFK somehow finds out that Humes and Boswell, as part of an
apparent conspiracy to cover up the assassination of his brother, used
a brain other than his brother's to conduct their examination. So he
{RFK} goes out and finds, seizes, and then gets rid of his brother's
substitute brain {instead of taking the proper action to prosecute
these criminal autopsists to the fullest extent of the law}. Is there
any end to this silliness?" -- Vince B.; Page 443 of "RH"
tomnln
Doug Horne was a Professional Hired & Paid by the HSCA.
Da Bug is an Ambulance Chasing Lawyer.
Not too tough to figure which has credibility.
Wanna try the 3 different weapons firing the Tippit shells?>>>
http://whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
That's ANOTHER Professional Hired to Teach at Quantico.
"David Von Pein" <davev...@aol.com> wrote in message
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David Von Pein
To you kooks, anybody who has that "ABO" (Anybody But Oswald) bumper
sticker on their car will always have far greater credibility than
anyone else.
A kook named Rossley probably would pick Garrison's and Fetzer's
"credibility" over that of Vince Bugliosi's or Dale K. Myers'.
Right, Mega-Kook?
tomnln
You're a Mega KOOK-SUCKER. (sorry bout the typo)
You Love the "Big Ones" so much, you even Stretched the 27 inch bag to a 38
inch bag.
AND, it still won't hold the 42 inch rifle.
Try these>>>
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/mexcity.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
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