Does Bugliosi Get Anything That Matters Right?
lazu...@webtv.net
Livingstone's updated High Treason-demonstrably wrong on no shots from
the Grassy Knoll-see Lane, Weisberg and Wrone-demonstrably wrong on
Oswald's CIA Connections see Waldron,DiEugenio Pease, Armstrong and
Mellen...demonstrably wrong on no conspiracy see Livingstone,Di Eugenio,
Pease, Twyman, Talbot, Mellen...
Gil Jesus
When you begin with a conclusion, as did the WC, Posner and now
Bugliosi, it's like starting the movie at the end. If the conclusion
is wrong, the evidence that leads one to that conclusion is also going
to be wrong.
Hence the controversy with every piece of evidence in this case.
Bud
<snicker> Those kook books have been shown to be demostratively
wrong by Bugliosi`s book. And, he got the thing that matter most
right... Oswald alone killed JFK.
swede
"Bud" <sirs...@fast.net> wrote in message
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That's right-Oswald acted alone. He was an Expert rifleman in the Marines
easily getting off three shots in 8.4 seconds. Posner figured it out
correcly,as did Mark Fuhrman and the head of the Book Depositery Museum and
now Bugliosi. Open your minds and look at the evidence
Swede
>
Ben Holmes
>
>
>"Bud" <sirs...@fast.net> wrote in message
>news:1184107114.8...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> lazuli...@webtv.net wrote:
>>> Demonstrably wrong on the magic bullet theory-see Thompson, Wecht and
>>> Livingstone's updated High Treason-demonstrably wrong on no shots from
>>> the Grassy Knoll-see Lane, Weisberg and Wrone-demonstrably wrong on
>>> Oswald's CIA Connections see Waldron,DiEugenio Pease, Armstrong and
>>> Mellen...demonstrably wrong on no conspiracy see Livingstone,Di Eugenio,
>>> Pease, Twyman, Talbot, Mellen...
>>
>> <snicker> Those kook books have been shown to be demostratively
>> wrong by Bugliosi`s book. And, he got the thing that matter most
>> right... Oswald alone killed JFK.
>-----
>That's right-Oswald acted alone. He was an Expert rifleman
Well, there you go.
You mention only *one* citable fact in your entire post - and you get it wrong.
Swede
"Lone" <amsei...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 11 Jul., 01:07, "swede" <poker_ru...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Bud" <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote in message
Lone-very nice, no facts on your side-just wish ill on those who know the
truth and disagree with you.
>
Swede
"Ben Holmes" <bnho...@rain.org> wrote in message
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> In article <_iUki.25001$Fc.2197@attbi_s21>, swede says...
>>
>>
>>"Bud" <sirs...@fast.net> wrote in message
>>news:1184107114.8...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> lazuli...@webtv.net wrote:
>>>> Demonstrably wrong on the magic bullet theory-see Thompson, Wecht and
>>>> Livingstone's updated High Treason-demonstrably wrong on no shots from
>>>> the Grassy Knoll-see Lane, Weisberg and Wrone-demonstrably wrong on
>>>> Oswald's CIA Connections see Waldron,DiEugenio Pease, Armstrong and
>>>> Mellen...demonstrably wrong on no conspiracy see Livingstone,Di
>>>> Eugenio,
>>>> Pease, Twyman, Talbot, Mellen...
>>>
>>> <snicker> Those kook books have been shown to be demostratively
>>> wrong by Bugliosi`s book. And, he got the thing that matter most
>>> right... Oswald alone killed JFK.
>>-----
>>That's right-Oswald acted alone. He was an Expert rifleman
>
>
> Well, there you go.
>
> You mention only *one* citable fact in your entire post - and you get it
> wrong.
All are factuual in my post.All.
Swede
Ben Holmes
>
>
>"Ben Holmes" <bnho...@rain.org> wrote in message
>news:f715e...@drn.newsguy.com...
>> In article <_iUki.25001$Fc.2197@attbi_s21>, swede says...
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bud" <sirs...@fast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:1184107114.8...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> lazuli...@webtv.net wrote:
>>>>> Demonstrably wrong on the magic bullet theory-see Thompson, Wecht and
>>>>> Livingstone's updated High Treason-demonstrably wrong on no shots from
>>>>> the Grassy Knoll-see Lane, Weisberg and Wrone-demonstrably wrong on
>>>>> Oswald's CIA Connections see Waldron,DiEugenio Pease, Armstrong and
>>>>> Mellen...demonstrably wrong on no conspiracy see Livingstone,Di
>>>>> Eugenio,
>>>>> Pease, Twyman, Talbot, Mellen...
>>>>
>>>> <snicker> Those kook books have been shown to be demostratively
>>>> wrong by Bugliosi`s book. And, he got the thing that matter most
>>>> right... Oswald alone killed JFK.
>>>-----
>>>That's right-Oswald acted alone. He was an Expert rifleman
>>
>>
>> Well, there you go.
>>
>> You mention only *one* citable fact in your entire post - and you get it
>> wrong.
>
>All are factuual in my post.All.
>
>Swede
Sorry Swede... you're not only speaking with someone who's read the 26 volumes,
but someone who spent time with the Marine Corps' West Coast Shooting Team.
Let's start with some basic facts...
Score - 190 - Minimum for "Marksman" - the absolute minimum score that a Marine
*must* maintain.
Score - 210 - Minimum for "Sharpshooter" - an average score in the Marine Corps.
Score - 220 - Minimum for "Expert" - the status you accorded Oswald.
Now, you probably have *no clue whatsoever* what scores LHO shot - but I don't
even have to consult any references to immediately tell you that he shot a 212
in Boot Camp, and a 191 later.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO DOCUMENTED SCORES FIRED BY LEE HARVEY OSWALD.
Neither one of them would qualify LHO as an "Expert" rifleman.
You see - there are objective and definable standards for "Expert" in the Marine
Corps... a standard that I met enough times to receive a 10th award Expert bar.
I averaged between a 238 to 242 over a decade, occasionally shooting higher, and
even once, shooting lower.
The highest possible score - for those who don't know, is 250.
Since you've failed to cite any reference that supports your "Expert" assertion
- perhaps you have some sort of expertise that people can believe you when you
assert such facts? For I have *both* expertise *AND* citable references.
Now, are you willing to state that you were mistaken? Or provide a citation for
your assertion that others can check?
Lurkers interested can review page 191 of the WCR, middle of the page where it
states: "Following that training, Oswald was tested in December of 1956, and
obtained a score of 212, which was 2 points above the minimum for qualifications
as a "sharpshooter" in a scale of marksman - sharpshooter - expert. In May of
1959, on another range, Oswald scored 191, which was 1 point over the minimum
for ranking as a "marksman". [Note that this is identical to what I asserted
above]
I'll *expect* you to admit that you were mistaken, and that your assertion is
incorrect.
But LNT'ers often run in the other direction when their lies are pointed out.
What will be *your* character - your next message will be most revealing...
lazu...@webtv.net
isn't..no more objective than those I mentioned, and a helluva lot less
right....Jeff
aeffects
> "Bud" <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote in message
*Expert* (highest rating), rifleman? wrong..... what-are-you-smoking?
At best: Oswald barely qualified as *sharpshooter* (middle rating) in
basic training-bootcamp, later he barely qualified as a *marksman*
(bottom rating) passing only by 1 or 2 points. Oswald shooting history
went from passable to barely passing, in other words Oswald's
marksmanship got WORSE, not better, as time went on. He was lucky he
stayed in the Marine Corps...
I doubt Posner, Mark Furhman or any other certifiable Lone Nut could
make those alleged 3 shot from the TSBD, shots on a moving target in
12 seconds (I'll spot you an additional 4 seconds) -- many have tried,
no banana, champ. Your blowing smoke out your ass, hate to spoil you
fun.... as will others here.
> Swede
>
>
aeffects
Dudster, you can say it till that tinfoil beanie of yours changes to
cardboard, ain't gonna help! LHO, if he was a shooter: 1] did not shot
alone, 2] and certainly did not make 3 shots on a moving target that
day, or any other day.
A distraught, depraved, family abuser, suicidal, Lone Nut shooter
would be lucky to hit Elm Street (especially if he thought or knew he
was going to die before he got out of the building) with 3 shots,
hell, I'll give you 4 shots in 12 seconds. If he's lucky out of the
four shots, he might hit the car twice and someone once!
Carry on, troop!
justm...@gmail.com
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Are you trying to say because LHO was not classified as a sharp
shooter he couldn't have fired the MC and hit a moving target? Not
surprising, this would be the response from the CT's and their reason
why LHO could NOT have killed JFK. Get real. Just because his shots
couldn't be duplicated perfectly (nothing can be for that matter)
doesn't mean a thing. Experts have come very close to duplicating the
MB...you just continue to find fault and will never agree that not
only was it possible, it happened.
Swede don't let these idiots try and scare you off with their gang
bangs they think are effective.
They have nothing else to do with their time so conspiracy will live
on forever. They refuse to admit LHO killed JFK and JDT...yet they
have no other assassin, no other weapons and no bullets proving their
theory. You have to wonder if the rest of their lives consist of
speculation and conjecture.
As for aeffects (Healy) thats his ass talking because his mouth knows
better.
Justme
aeffects
wrote:
close or very close only works in horseshoes and handgrandes you
idiot..... so sitdown moron, I'm not talking to you...
> Swede don't let these idiots try and scare you off with their gang
> bangs they think are effective.
> They have nothing else to do with their time so conspiracy will live
> on forever. They refuse to admit LHO killed JFK and JDT...yet they
> have no other assassin, no other weapons and no bullets proving their
> theory. You have to wonder if the rest of their lives consist of
> speculation and conjecture.
and all you can do, and expect to do, is Lone Nut knob-polish, what-a-
hobby, and pray Von Pein responds to you -- what-a-guy LMFAO, you
inchoate maroon!
> As for aeffects (Healy) thats his ass talking because his mouth knows
> better.
and you range qualified with what, again? Speak to us, Nutter!
> Justme
eca...@tx.rr.com
What do you hear from the fake author you
made up, "John Welsh Hodges?" Or should I
say John Welsh Holmes? Anyway WHERE were
you when you saw the "galley proofs" to
his non-existent "book?"
MR ;~D<===Does not lie.
2152Jul1007
now12outrightliesbybenholmeswhoclaimstherewere40bohwoundwitnesses
On Jul 10, 6:41 pm, Ben Holmes <bnhol...@rain.org> wrote:
> In article <_iUki.25001$Fc.2197@attbi_s21>, swede says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Bud" <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote in message
justm...@gmail.com
Healy...never in my life have I seen a man act like the complete
asshole you do. I don't blow smoke up anyones ass, never have and
never will. That's your forte' Healy...by now Ben must have enough
smoke up his ass to qualify as Los Angeles Smog.
Hope that DVP answers me? I don't need any answers. If I compliment
him on a post it's because I found it interesting..not because I want
a response from him you moron. I used to post on IMbd awhile ago, and
had alot of conversations with DVP on there and a few others. If
anyone is looking for attention your the man Healy. You even stink at
being sarcastic. Your creativity fits in a thimble with room to spare.
Your a loser Healy, a bigtime waste of human material. You'll be lost
if this group is really closing, no one at any other forum will put up
with your mouth.
It will be a pleasure to watch you get thrown off of them all.
Go back to being Bennies poolboy It's what you do best.
justme.
aeffects
hang around dipshit....
That's your forte' Healy...by now Ben must have enough
> smoke up his ass to qualify as Los Angeles Smog.
> Hope that DVP answers me? I don't need any answers. If I compliment
> him on a post it's because I found it interesting..not because I want
> a response from him you moron. I used to post on IMbd awhile ago, and
> had alot of conversations with DVP on there and a few others.
what's lMBd a dating service?
If
> anyone is looking for attention your the man Healy. You even stink at
> being sarcastic. Your creativity fits in a thimble with room to spare.
> Your a loser Healy, a bigtime waste of human material. You'll be lost
> if this group is really closing, no one at any other forum will put up
> with your mouth.
LMAO -- I've been known to post concerning this very subject
elsewhere, and have for years... so, sheeeeet where's you sense of
adventure, troll? You think the assassination of a president is a
clean, sanatized deal? Think again troll...
> It will be a pleasure to watch you get thrown off of them all.
then troll elsewhere, only your addiction keeps you here.....
> Go back to being Bennies poolboy It's what you do best.
Ben Holmes dumps miserable know-nothing morons such as yourself into
the *re-TARD* pit, oblivion -- he never sees you. I on the other hand,
like batting around Lone Nut *trolls*
And quite frankly I've forgot more concerning this case than any 10
Lone Nut Researchers here...
> justme.
aeffects
> Benny the dwarf:
> What do you hear from the fake author you
> made up, "John Welsh Hodges?" Or should I
> say John Welsh Holmes? Anyway WHERE were
> you when you saw the "galley proofs" to
> his non-existent "book?"
apppears Fast Eddy's needle is stuck in a groove from 6 months ago,
need those ten witness names Fast Eddy and where I can find their
affidavits stating the positively ID Lee Harvey Oswald as Tippit's
shooter.... C'mon son!
Todd W. Vaughan
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David,
You wrote:
"And quite frankly I've forgot more concerning this case than any 10
Lone Nut Researchers here... "
ROTFLMFAO!
You've got to be kidding.
Todd
eca...@tx.rr.com
Healey is a lonely old uneducated man..
(Wanting attention but not getting any.)
I thought you might enjoy Healey's dickweed
sermon:
Q Man Healey ON:
"congratulations you fucking dimwit -- you FINALLY
quoted someone who knows what he's talking about....
unfortunately you forgot to cite those, above, I
suspect a little editing on your part, right Mr.
Dickweed? You may now return to pulling your pud."
Q Man Healey OFF
And all this time we thought you were
of the low brow variety Healy..
Healy they don't have a NG for lonely,
uneducated, foul-mouthed, old dumb farts
but this site may interest you:
alt.wantingattentionbutnotgettingany
MR ;~D
2257Jul1007
PS Healey: Benny the dwarf says you are
doing your #2's too close to the house..
On Jul 10, 9:56 pm, "justme1...@gmail.com" <justme1...@gmail.com>
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aeffects
still looking for those files, eh?
> Todd
aeffects
> Justme:
> Healey is a lonely old uneducated man..
> (Wanting attention but not getting any.)
get off the dime you lazy fuck -- we need those 10 names and their
testimony -- hop to asshole!
<snip the lone Nut nonsense>
David Von Pein
Do you really think there's any doubt at all about Lee Oswald's guilt
in the Tippit murder?
If you do have doubts, why?
Is it because there weren't 20 witnesses? Would that have been enough
eyes on LHO to convince you (coupled with the ballistics evidence too,
which conclusively proves he killed Tippit, even without ONE WITNESS
watching him do it)?
I'm just curious to know why you seem to have some doubts about Oz's
guilt when it comes to Tippit's killing.
tomnln
"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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justm...@gmail.com
> WHO is toad vaughan?>>>http://whokilledjfk.net/todd_vaughan.htm
>
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Ben Holmes dumps miserable know-nothing morons such as yourself into
the *re-TARD* pit, oblivion -- he never sees you. I on the other
hand,
like batting around Lone Nut *trolls*
Once again Healy puts on his cheerleading uniform and Rah Rah's
Bennie. No need to prove your point any further Healy we already know
your so far up his ass you haven't seen the light of day in months.
(Pickle brain Healy is really getting hot under the collar now, hes
progressed to using the "f" word) Atta boy Healy, although we don't
need any proof of what an uneducated slab of meat you are....you
continue to prove yourself with each post...congratulations!
justme
Bud
Lets start with one basic fact... you are making an assumption
about what Swede wrote that wasn`t clearly stated. He never said
"expert ranking" or some such, he said "Expert rifleman". The
dictionary has expert as "a person with special skill or knowledge in
a particular field". I`ve warned you before about watching those
assumptions...
Bud
aeffects wrote:
> On Jul 10, 4:07 pm, "swede" <poker_ru...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Bud" <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1184107114.8...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > lazuli...@webtv.net wrote:
> > >> Demonstrably wrong on the magic bullet theory-see Thompson, Wecht and
> > >> Livingstone's updated High Treason-demonstrably wrong on no shots from
> > >> the Grassy Knoll-see Lane, Weisberg and Wrone-demonstrably wrong on
> > >> Oswald's CIA Connections see Waldron,DiEugenio Pease, Armstrong and
> > >> Mellen...demonstrably wrong on no conspiracy see Livingstone,Di Eugenio,
> > >> Pease, Twyman, Talbot, Mellen...
> >
> > > <snicker> Those kook books have been shown to be demostratively
> > > wrong by Bugliosi`s book. And, he got the thing that matter most
> > > right... Oswald alone killed JFK.
> >
> > -----
> > That's right-Oswald acted alone. He was an Expert rifleman in the Marines
> > easily getting off three shots in 8.4 seconds. Posner figured it out
> > correcly,as did Mark Fuhrman and the head of the Book Depositery Museum and
> > now Bugliosi. Open your minds and look at the evidence
>
> *Expert* (highest rating), rifleman? wrong..... what-are-you-smoking?
And where can Crackpipe get some?
Bud
aeffects wrote:
> On Jul 10, 3:38 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
> > lazuli...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > Demonstrably wrong on the magic bullet theory-see Thompson, Wecht and
> > > Livingstone's updated High Treason-demonstrably wrong on no shots from
> > > the Grassy Knoll-see Lane, Weisberg and Wrone-demonstrably wrong on
> > > Oswald's CIA Connections see Waldron,DiEugenio Pease, Armstrong and
> > > Mellen...demonstrably wrong on no conspiracy see Livingstone,Di Eugenio,
> > > Pease, Twyman, Talbot, Mellen...
> >
> > <snicker> Those kook books have been shown to be demostratively
> > wrong by Bugliosi`s book. And, he got the thing that matter most
> > right... Oswald alone killed JFK.
>
> Dudster, you can say it till that tinfoil beanie of yours changes to
> cardboard, ain't gonna help! LHO, if he was a shooter:
Still can`t figure out the easy ones, eh?
>1] did not shot
> alone,
You mean Kennedy was not shot alone.
>2] and certainly did not make 3 shots on a moving target that
> day, or any other day.
Right, because the laws of physics prevents three shots if a target
is moving.
> A distraught, depraved, family abuser, suicidal,
Interesting that these all apply to your hero, Oswald.
> Lone Nut shooter
> would be lucky to hit Elm Street (especially if he thought or knew he
> was going to die before he got out of the building) with 3 shots,
> hell, I'll give you 4 shots in 12 seconds. If he's lucky out of the
> four shots, he might hit the car twice and someone once!
How did the rfile knock out the longbow as the weapon of choice of
armies? Apparently they can`t hit anything if it`s more than a block
away, or if it`s moving.
> Carry on, troop!
Ben Holmes
Vaughan says...
Well, seems pretty clear that you've forgotten how to refute the FBI
Intimidation thread... when are you going to find your 'files' and refute it,
Toddy? Or is this going to go on for a few more years?
aeffects
I have yet, YET to see you post anything, ANYTHING relevant to events
that occurred in Dealey Plaza 11/22/63 and/or during the WCR hearings
and investigation including the evidence/exhibitsJFK's assassination.
Other than holding David Von Pein's jockstrap, of course....
Pack to the *TARD* pit, Justme-YoHavehy Tahd, with you!
aeffects
> To Dave Healy,
>
> Do you really think there's any doubt at all about Lee Oswald's guilt
> in the Tippit murder?
Your presupposing you have a case against Oswald, only a grand jury
decides that...frankly, concerning the Tippit murder, I doubt Oswald
would get a fair trial in Dallas. I also suspect (seeing who ELSE was
murdered that day, AND associated with JFK's murder) whomever the DA
decided to stand trial for Tippit's murder, the grand jury would
rubber stamp - NO doubt.
> If you do have doubts, why?
the weapon-rounds, physical presence-timing issues, conflicting
eyewitness evidence
> Is it because there weren't 20 witnesses?
right now I'm looking for 10 eyewitnesses that are on the record as
ID'ing Oswald at the Tippit murder scene, **shooting Tippit**! (You
can have Fast Eddy Cage do the grunt work here, if you wish)
Would that have been enough
> eyes on LHO to convince you (coupled with the ballistics evidence too,
> which conclusively proves he killed Tippit, even without ONE WITNESS
> watching him do it)?
if you can't get LHO at that scene, at the time of the murder, I could
careless your evidence or alleged (albeit) conflicting eyewitness
evidence...
> I'm just curious to know why you seem to have some doubts about Oz's
> guilt when it comes to Tippit's killing.
simple, who/what benefits from killing Tippit? LHO's motive killing
Tippit is? Please don't tell me (eh go ahead) LHO was stopped (for
what) and scared..., he shot as his only way out, or self-defense or
some such nonsense as that --
He's the alleged marksman in the assassination of JFK, a Cool Hand-Sgt
York type Luke if you will. Walked right out of the kill zone, right
under everyones eye.... went clear across town (by bus), changed
clothes and pickup up his 6 gun at this rooming house, decided to hit
a movie, maybe do lunch, chat with his handler and kill a cop on the
way to the theater. GREAT idea to divert attention from himself...
Averting attention is what most muderers attempt to do... Out of all
those folksmissing from the TSBD determined during the post
assassination roll call (how soon thereafter?), ONLY LHO descprition
was put out on a APB.
I'd like those 10 witnesses positively ID'ing Oswald as the *shooter*
of Tippit (and cites for same, can you help out Fast Eddy Cage?)
Bud
aeffects wrote:
> On Jul 10, 9:43 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> > To Dave Healy,
> >
> > Do you really think there's any doubt at all about Lee Oswald's guilt
> > in the Tippit murder?
>
> Your presupposing you have a case against Oswald,
Much, much more than most people are convicted with.
> only a grand jury
> decides that...frankly, concerning the Tippit murder, I doubt Oswald
> would get a fair trial in Dallas.
Then he should have chose a betterr location to commit murders in.
> I also suspect (seeing who ELSE was
> murdered that day, AND associated with JFK's murder)
Yah, just happened to be at the locations of two seperate murders,
and ordinary people at both locations say Oz was shooting people.
> whomever the DA
> decided to stand trial for Tippit's murder, the grand jury would
> rubber stamp - NO doubt.
So, it wouldn`t be the witnesses, or the fact that Oz tried to kill
arresting police, it would be to make the DA happy. Stellar.
> > If you do have doubts, why?
>
> the weapon-rounds, physical presence-timing issues, conflicting
> eyewitness evidence
Straws. The main reason is you don`t want to believe that Oswald
committed these crimes, you want to believe other people are
responsible.
> > Is it because there weren't 20 witnesses?
>
> right now I'm looking for 10 eyewitnesses that are on the record as
> ID'ing Oswald at the Tippit murder scene, **shooting Tippit**! (You
> can have Fast Eddy Cage do the grunt work here, if you wish)
Ah, so when Callaway and Scoggins say they see Oz running around
the corner from the shooting scene with a gun in his hand, or the
Davis girls see him walking across their lawn with a gun seconds after
the murder, that doesn`t count, because they didn`t actually see Oz do
the shooting. Stellar thinking, what is wrong with these LN? Obviously
Oz was chasing the actual killer, who happened to be invisible.
> >Would that have been enough
> > eyes on LHO to convince you (coupled with the ballistics evidence too,
> > which conclusively proves he killed Tippit, even without ONE WITNESS
> > watching him do it)?
>
> if you can't get LHO at that scene,
The witnesses do that.
> at the time of the murder,
The calls for this murder didn`t come in until almost 1:18. This
is the only reliable, established time to work with.
> I could
> careless your evidence or alleged (albeit) conflicting eyewitness
> evidence...
CT are a stupid bunch. They make hay of the fact that what
witnesses relate is sometimes in conflict, when this is to be
expected. And, of course, if all the witneses said things too closely
the same, the kooks would find this suspicious. As always, it isn`t
the evidence, its the kooks.
> > I'm just curious to know why you seem to have some doubts about Oz's
> > guilt when it comes to Tippit's killing.
>
> simple, who/what benefits from killing Tippit? LHO's motive killing
> Tippit is? Please don't tell me (eh go ahead) LHO was stopped (for
> what) and scared..., he shot as his only way out, or self-defense or
> some such nonsense as that --
Tippit was an obstacle that needed to be removed, so Oz could
continue to hunt facists. Next up, Walker II, the Wrath of Oz.
> He's the alleged marksman in the assassination of JFK, a Cool Hand-Sgt
> York type Luke if you will.
He is a guy with rifle training shooting his rifle at some people.
> Walked right out of the kill zone, right
> under everyones eye....
Had he walked out the front door, like Norman and Williams,
perhaps Brennan would have said "there he is".
> went clear across town (by bus),
Cab.
> changed
> clothes and pickup up his 6 gun at this rooming house, decided to hit
> a movie, maybe do lunch, chat with his handler and kill a cop on the
> way to the theater. GREAT idea to divert attention from himself...
He didn`t want the attention Tippit gave him. And he ducked into
the movie out of necessity, there were a swarm of cops looking for him
in the area. Lets see... Oz ducks into movie without paying, kooks
don`t find that suspicious. Oz attacks the arresting officers, nothing
suspicious there say the kooks. That he is even found with a gun is no
grounds for suspicion. Yet those fucks on the Grand Jury were going to
railroad the kook`s precious patsy, Healy is sure of that.
> Averting attention is what most muderers attempt to do...
Tippit stopping him indicates he failed to do that.
> Out of all
> those folks missing from the TSBD determined during the post
> assassination roll call (how soon thereafter?), ONLY LHO descprition
> was put out on a APB.
And the only person who`s rifle was found on the floor the shots
were fired from. And last person seen by others on the 6th floor of
the TSBD. The only political fanatic.
But where are the kooks going with this? Either the people there
narrowed it down to Oz as missing, or what? C`mon Healy, fill us in,
what kookshit should we entertain? That they were told the President
was going to be killed, and told to finger Oz previous to the
assassination. If things like this actually took place, this
conspiracy would have been busted wide open decades ago.
> I'd like those 10 witnesses positively ID'ing Oswald as the *shooter*
> of Tippit (and cites for same, can you help out Fast Eddy Cage?)
According to the kooks, he shouldn`t be able to be identifed in
the area. Yet he consistanyly was.
aeffects
> aeffects wrote:
> > On Jul 10, 9:43 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > To Dave Healy,
>
> > > Do you really think there's any doubt at all about Lee Oswald's guilt
> > > in the Tippit murder?
>
> > Your presupposing you have a case against Oswald,
>
> Much, much more than most people are convicted with.
Dudster-KOOK, most convicted folks had nothing to do with a
Presidentail assassination.... Frankly I think there was no case
againt Oswald, that's why he was murdered, no suspect - no trial ----
elementary my dear Watson....
> > only a grand jury
> > decides that...frankly, concerning the Tippit murder, I doubt Oswald
> > would get a fair trial in Dallas.
>
> Then he should have chose a betterr location to commit murders in.
any other police department perhaps he might of got to trail --
imagine that, eh?
> > I also suspect (seeing who ELSE was
> > murdered that day, AND associated with JFK's murder)
>
> Yah, just happened to be at the locations of two seperate murders,
> and ordinary people at both locations say Oz was shooting people.
gett'em in that window dudster-KOOK then you'll have my attention, if
he wasn't in that window and he did Tippit, you got yourself a full
blown conspiracy in the death of JFK -- Based on all I know about Lone
Nutter-KOOKS, that's unacceptable....
> > whomever the DA
> > decided to stand trial for Tippit's murder, the grand jury would
> > rubber stamp - NO doubt.
>
> So, it wouldn`t be the witnesses, or the fact that Oz tried to kill
> arresting police, it would be to make the DA happy. Stellar.
ahh, that magical Fast EddyCage-KOOK and his wandering band of 10
eyewitness ID'ing LHO as the shooter of Tippit. The DPD were charging
him with attempted murder on the arresting officers -- Dudster-KOOK
your pulling charges out of your ass these day's.... there was no case
against Oswald that why he had to go -- simple as pie, logical too!
> > > If you do have doubts, why?
>
> > the weapon-rounds, physical presence-timing issues, conflicting
> > eyewitness evidence
>
> Straws. The main reason is you don`t want to believe that Oswald
> committed these crimes, you want to believe other people are
> responsible.
I don't care if he DID do the crime, you moron -- I'm agnostic when it
comes to him, my interest is WHY JFK was murdered and how it was
covered up. I could care less who did the shooting.
> > > Is it because there weren't 20 witnesses?
>
> > right now I'm looking for 10 eyewitnesses that are on the record as
> > ID'ing Oswald at the Tippit murder scene, **shooting Tippit**! (You
> > can have Fast Eddy Cage do the grunt work here, if you wish)
>
> Ah, so when Callaway and Scoggins say they see Oz running around
> the corner from the shooting scene with a gun in his hand, or the
> Davis girls see him walking across their lawn with a gun seconds after
> the murder, that doesn`t count, because they didn`t actually see Oz do
> the shooting. Stellar thinking, what is wrong with these LN? Obviously
> Oz was chasing the actual killer, who happened to be invisible.
dudster you can't protect Fast Eddy Cage, he said 10 witness ID'd LHO,
who are they? So Dudster-KOOK
give me the 10 names of those who ID'd Oswald as the shooter of Tippit
-- and cites -- cut the bullshit get on with it....
> > >Would that have been enough
> > > eyes on LHO to convince you (coupled with the ballistics evidence too,
> > > which conclusively proves he killed Tippit, even without ONE WITNESS
> > > watching him do it)?
>
> > if you can't get LHO at that scene,
>
> The witnesses do that.
>
> > at the time of the murder,
>
> The calls for this murder didn`t come in until almost 1:18. This
> is the only reliable, established time to work with.
>
> > I could
> > careless your evidence or alleged (albeit) conflicting eyewitness
> > evidence...
>
> CT are a stupid bunch. They make hay of the fact that what
> witnesses relate is sometimes in conflict, when this is to be
> expected. And, of course, if all the witneses said things too closely
> the same, the kooks would find this suspicious. As always, it isn`t
> the evidence, its the kooks.
haven't you heard how unreliable eyewitness testimony is..... 10 names
ID'ing Oswald shooting Tippit and cites, please....
(weak Dudster-KOOK, real weak) I'm beginning to think we got more than
one Mel Ayton acolyte around here....
> > > I'm just curious to know why you seem to have some doubts about Oz's
> > > guilt when it comes to Tippit's killing.
>
> > simple, who/what benefits from killing Tippit? LHO's motive killing
> > Tippit is? Please don't tell me (eh go ahead) LHO was stopped (for
> > what) and scared..., he shot as his only way out, or self-defense or
> > some such nonsense as that --
>
> Tippit was an obstacle that needed to be removed, so Oz could
> continue to hunt facists. Next up, Walker II, the Wrath of Oz.
>
> > He's the alleged marksman in the assassination of JFK, a Cool Hand-Sgt
> > York type Luke if you will.
>
> He is a guy with rifle training shooting his rifle at some people.
can't get'em in the window Dudster, he shot no rifle that day....
> > Walked right out of the kill zone, right
> > under everyones eye....
>
> Had he walked out the front door, like Norman and Williams,
> perhaps Brennan would have said "there he is".
you mean the guy that changed his story 3 times, the guy that said
whoever was in that window was standing, that guy?
> > went clear across town (by bus),
>
> Cab.
cab, bus, flexie -- who gives a shit, he got to his rooming house
> > changed
> > clothes and pickup up his 6 gun at this rooming house, decided to hit
> > a movie, maybe do lunch, chat with his handler and kill a cop on the
> > way to the theater. GREAT idea to divert attention from himself...
>
> He didn`t want the attention Tippit gave him. And he ducked into
> the movie out of necessity, there were a swarm of cops looking for him
> in the area. Lets see... Oz ducks into movie without paying, kooks
> don`t find that suspicious.
obviously he knew he'd draw attention to himself "slipping" in to a
theater..... Lone Nutter KOOKS can't comprehend that though
Oz attacks the arresting officers, nothing
> suspicious there say the kooks. That he is even found with a gun is no
> grounds for suspicion.
A gun in Texas = suspicious, you are naive.... dudster
Yet those fucks on the Grand Jury were going to
> railroad the kook`s precious patsy, Healy is sure of that.
no Dudster-KOOKm they were going to indict whomever the DA paraded in
front of them... Your quickly becoming a idjit (LN-KOOK lingo) Idiot
in English
> > Averting attention is what most muderers attempt to do...
>
> Tippit stopping him indicates he failed to do that.
he did? did Tippit call in a stop of a suspicious guy?
> > Out of all
> > those folks missing from the TSBD determined during the post
> > assassination roll call (how soon thereafter?), ONLY LHO descprition
> > was put out on a APB.
>
> And the only person who`s rifle was found on the floor the shots
> were fired from. And last person seen by others on the 6th floor of
> the TSBD. The only political fanatic.
rifles were in Truly's office the 2 days before the assassination, who
owned them and where were they on Nov 22nd.... political fanatic is
another term used to define the right-wing of Dallas. Aren['t you
aware of the facts, Dudster KOOK?
> But where are the kooks going with this? Either the people there
> narrowed it down to Oz as missing, or what? C`mon Healy, fill us in,
> what kookshit should we entertain?
same place its always been going and doing Dudster-KOOK, twisting you
up in knots so tight your blinded by your own bias, right where you
belong -- that fill you in :)
That they were told the President
> was going to be killed, and told to finger Oz previous to the
> assassination. If things like this actually took place, this
> conspiracy would have been busted wide open decades ago.
who was told Dudster-KOOK?
> > I'd like those 10 witnesses positively ID'ing Oswald as the *shooter*
> > of Tippit (and cites for same, can you help out Fast Eddy Cage?)
>
> According to the kooks, he shouldn`t be able to be identifed in
> the area. Yet he consistanyly was.
no need to be silly Dudster-KOOK, Fast Eddy said 10 witness ID'd
Oswald as Tippit's shooter, cites please. If you can't sit-the-fuck
down -- your taking up bandwidth...
David Von Pein
Oh, for Pete sake....get real. There will never be a Grand Jury
proceeding in this case. Does that mean we can never, ever figure out
who killed Tippit VIA THE EVIDENCE WE CAN LOOK AT?
Or do we HAVE to consider Oswald "innocent until proven guilty"? (The
latter option is a ridiculous path to choose, because ALL THE EVIDENCE
is still here to examine and evaluate, and there's no question about
his guilt after a reasonable person looks at this evidence.)
Unfortunately for Mr. Healy, EVERYTHING of any substantive nature
points to Lee Oswald as Tippit's killer (and JFK's too, of course,
which is a murder that dovetails nicely into Tippit's slaying, as
every level-headed person examining this case fully realizes).
So this means that CTers like Mr. Healy are forced to go outside the
"LHO's Guilty" batch of physical and circumstantial evidence in order
to let Oswald slip through a loophole (which, of course, is just
exactly what the same CT-Kooks do in order to exonerate LHO for JFK's
murder too). E.G. (re. Tippit): A slight timing problem or a minor
discrepancy in the color of the jacket worn by the killer.
But these things are, of course, superceded by other FACTS that prove
beyond all doubt that Oswald murdered Tippit.
TIPPIT'S MURDER AND THE HILARIOUS DEFENSE OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD:
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/85fe573544d89f90
tomnln
Staley, Hendricks & Miller.
Volume III pages 446-447.
An NRA Master is one who is Qualified for Olympic Shooting Competition.
Chuck REALLY knows Nothing of evidence/testimony.
"chuck schuyler" <chu...@am-mtg.com> wrote in message
news:1184192707.2...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 10, 9:03 pm, aeffects <aeffe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dudster, you can say it till that tinfoil beanie of yours changes to
>> cardboard, ain't gonna help! LHO, if he was a shooter: 1] did not shot
>> alone, 2] and certainly did not make 3 shots on a moving target that
>> day, or any other day.
>>
>> A distraught, depraved, family abuser, suicidal, Lone Nut shooter
>> would be lucky to hit Elm Street (especially if he thought or knew he
>> was going to die before he got out of the building) with 3 shots,
>> hell, I'll give you 4 shots in 12 seconds. If he's lucky out of the
>> four shots, he might hit the car twice and someone once!
>>
>> Carry on, troop!
>
> 88 yards or so from the TSBD to the headshot at Z313.
>
> That is a point blank shot with a rifle.
>
> I won't pretend to be a great shot, but I do shoot from time-to-time,
> and I enjoy it. The shot isn't as hard as kooks make it out to be, and
> in addition, kooks ignore the obvious role that chance, fate,
> circumstances, luck (in this case, bad luck) and other variables play
> in events.
>
> The only question that should be asked is whether a man could've
> squeezed off those rounds in the time frame alloted, and the obvious
> answer is yes. The autopsy results show JFK was struck by two bullets
> from behind, and witnesses reported a man in the TSBD holding a rifle-
> a rifle later linked to LHO, who then fled the building moments after
> the last shot.
>
> Put it together, kooks. It ain't that tough
>
tomnln
http://whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
"David Von Pein" <davev...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1184197080.0...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>> "Your presupposing you have a case against Oswald, only a grand jury
>>>> decides that." <<<
>
> Oh, for Pete sake....get real. There will never be a Grand Jury
> proceeding in this case. Does that mean we can never, ever figure out
> who killed Tippit VIA THE EVIDENCE WE CAN LOOK AT? Or do we HAVE to
> consider Oz "innocent until proven guilty"? (The latter option is a
> ridiculous path to choose, because ALL THE EVIDENCE is still here to
> examine and evaluate.)
>
> Unfortunately for Mr. Healy, EVERYTHING of any substantive nature
> points to Lee Oswald as Tippit's killer (and JFK's too, of course,
> which is a murder that dovetails nicely into Tippit's slaying, as
> every level-headed person examining this case fully realizes).
>
> So this means that CTers like Mr. Healy are forced to go outside the
> "LHO's Guilty" batch of physical and circumstantial evidence in order
> to let Oswald slip through a loophole. E.G.: A slight timing problem
> or a minor discrepancy in the color of the jacket worn by the killer.
>
> But these things are, of course, superceded by other FACTS that prove
> beyond all doubt that Oswald murdered Tippit.
>
> THE MURDER OF J.D. TIPPIT AND THE HILARIOUS DEFENSE OF LEE HARVEY
> OSWALD:
> www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/85fe573544d89f90
>
Bud
aeffects wrote:
> On Jul 11, 10:33 am, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
> > aeffects wrote:
> > > On Jul 10, 9:43 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > To Dave Healy,
> >
> > > > Do you really think there's any doubt at all about Lee Oswald's guilt
> > > > in the Tippit murder?
> >
> > > Your presupposing you have a case against Oswald,
> >
> > Much, much more than most people are convicted with.
>
> Dudster-KOOK, most convicted folks had nothing to do with a
> Presidentail assassination....
Same rules still apply. And there is much, much more evidence
against Oz than most people are convicted with.
> Frankly I think there was no case
> againt Oswald, that's why he was murdered, no suspect - no trial ---
But you will never be able to substantiate these random neural
firings your brain produces.
> elementary my dear Watson....
Elementary school being the extent of your schooling?
> > > only a grand jury
> > > decides that...frankly, concerning the Tippit murder, I doubt Oswald
> > > would get a fair trial in Dallas.
> >
> > Then he should have chose a betterr location to commit murders in.
>
> any other police department perhaps he might of got to trail --
> imagine that, eh?
Philly cops would have killed him in the Texas Theater when he
attacked them.
> > > I also suspect (seeing who ELSE was
> > > murdered that day, AND associated with JFK's murder)
> >
> > Yah, just happened to be at the locations of two seperate murders,
> > and ordinary people at both locations say Oz was shooting people.
>
> gett'em in that window dudster-KOOK then you'll have my attention,
We have him at his place of work, with his rifle, shooting
people. What you don`t have is another shooter, with a rifle, shooting
from anywhere. But that has slipped your attention.
> if
> he wasn't in that window and he did Tippit, you got yourself a full
> blown conspiracy in the death of JFK --
Since it`s clear he committed both murders, there is no need to
imagine boogie-men. But you wouldn`t know anything about that, unaware
as you are that there is even a case against Oz.
> Based on all I know about Lone
> Nutter-KOOKS, that's unacceptable....
Unsupported.
> > > whomever the DA
> > > decided to stand trial for Tippit's murder, the grand jury would
> > > rubber stamp - NO doubt.
> >
> > So, it wouldn`t be the witnesses, or the fact that Oz tried to kill
> > arresting police, it would be to make the DA happy. Stellar.
>
> ahh, that magical Fast EddyCage-KOOK and his wandering band of 10
> eyewitness ID'ing LHO as the shooter of Tippit. The DPD were charging
> him with attempted murder on the arresting officers -- Dudster-KOOK
> your pulling charges out of your ass these day's.... there was no case
> against Oswald that why he had to go -- simple as pie, logical too!
<snicker> I thought you kooks thought he was framed. Now, even the
evidence used to frame him has disappeared, leaving no recourse but to
shoot Oz.
> > > > If you do have doubts, why?
> >
> > > the weapon-rounds, physical presence-timing issues, conflicting
> > > eyewitness evidence
> >
> > Straws. The main reason is you don`t want to believe that Oswald
> > committed these crimes, you want to believe other people are
> > responsible.
>
>
> I don't care if he DID do the crime, you moron -- I'm agnostic when it
> comes to him, my interest is WHY JFK was murdered and how it was
> covered up. I could care less who did the shooting.
Exactly what I said. You have people you want to blame for this
crime, you don`t want to be distracted by trivial details like Oz`s
obvious guilt..
> > > > Is it because there weren't 20 witnesses?
> >
> > > right now I'm looking for 10 eyewitnesses that are on the record as
> > > ID'ing Oswald at the Tippit murder scene, **shooting Tippit**! (You
> > > can have Fast Eddy Cage do the grunt work here, if you wish)
> >
> > Ah, so when Callaway and Scoggins say they see Oz running around
> > the corner from the shooting scene with a gun in his hand, or the
> > Davis girls see him walking across their lawn with a gun seconds after
> > the murder, that doesn`t count, because they didn`t actually see Oz do
> > the shooting. Stellar thinking, what is wrong with these LN? Obviously
> > Oz was chasing the actual killer, who happened to be invisible.
>
> dudster you can't protect Fast Eddy Cage, he said 10 witness ID'd LHO,
> who are they? So Dudster-KOOK
> give me the 10 names of those who ID'd Oswald as the shooter of Tippit
> -- and cites -- cut the bullshit get on with it....
C`mon, Healy, at least try to put up the pretense of making an
honest effort at figuring out what happened. People came right to
their doors upon hearing the shots, and said they saw Oz with a gun.
People right around the corner heard the shots, and said they saw Oz
leaving quickly with a gun. Certainly figuring out what really
happened is more important than scoring cheap points, right?
lazu...@webtv.net
lazu...@webtv.net
tippit-he shot at walker and JFK, but don't insult our intelligence by
sounding like a bought and paid for piece of shit-The SBT is
ironclad..no shots from the Grassy Knoll etc....Oswald is responisble
for it all along with incompetence BS!!!
Ben Holmes
says...
I always get a big kick out of LNT'ers who simply lie to try to make their case.
An APB was put out on Givens. Givens is not Oswald.
aeffects
> aeffects wrote:
> > On Jul 11, 10:33 am, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
> > > aeffects wrote:
> > > > On Jul 10, 9:43 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > To Dave Healy,
>
> > > > > Do you really think there's any doubt at all about Lee Oswald's guilt
> > > > > in the Tippit murder?
>
> > > > Your presupposing you have a case against Oswald,
>
> > > Much, much more than most people are convicted with.
>
> > Dudster-KOOK, most convicted folks had nothing to do with a
> > Presidentail assassination....
>
> Same rules still apply. And there is much, much more evidence
> against Oz than most people are convicted with.
opining -- there was no Oswald trial
> > Frankly I think there was no case
> > againt Oswald, that's why he was murdered, no suspect - no trial ---
>
> But you will never be able to substantiate these random neural
> firings your brain produces.
Lone Nut nonsense (read: running scared)
> > elementary my dear Watson....
>
> Elementary school being the extent of your schooling?
Lone Nut-KOOK nonsense (read: running scared)
> > > > only a grand jury
> > > > decides that...frankly, concerning the Tippit murder, I doubt Oswald
> > > > would get a fair trial in Dallas.
>
> > > Then he should have chose a betterr location to commit murders in.
>
> > any other police department perhaps he might of got to trail --
> > imagine that, eh?
>
> Philly cops would have killed him in the Texas Theater when he
> attacked them.
thank you for answering my question.... you're reinforcing my
position, LHO would not face a trial...
> > > > I also suspect (seeing who ELSE was
> > > > murdered that day, AND associated with JFK's murder)
>
> > > Yah, just happened to be at the locations of two seperate murders,
> > > and ordinary people at both locations say Oz was shooting people.
>
> > gett'em in that window dudster-KOOK then you'll have my attention,
>
> We have him at his place of work, with his rifle, shooting
> people. What you don`t have is another shooter, with a rifle, shooting
> from anywhere. But that has slipped your attention.
you got a circumstantial case, of course .... with what we know today,
LHO, with a 2nd year law student as defense counsel, would walk.
> > if
> > he wasn't in that window and he did Tippit, you got yourself a full
> > blown conspiracy in the death of JFK --
>
> Since it`s clear he committed both murders, there is no need to
> imagine boogie-men. But you wouldn`t know anything about that, unaware
> as you are that there is even a case against Oz.
clear as mud Dudster-KOOK.... see above
> > Based on all I know about Lone
> > Nutter-KOOKS, that's unacceptable....
>
> Unsupported.
>
> > > > whomever the DA
> > > > decided to stand trial for Tippit's murder, the grand jury would
> > > > rubber stamp - NO doubt.
>
> > > So, it wouldn`t be the witnesses, or the fact that Oz tried to kill
> > > arresting police, it would be to make the DA happy. Stellar.
>
> > ahh, that magical Fast EddyCage-KOOK and his wandering band of 10
> > eyewitness ID'ing LHO as the shooter of Tippit. The DPD were charging
> > him with attempted murder on the arresting officers -- Dudster-KOOK
> > your pulling charges out of your ass these day's.... there was no case
> > against Oswald that why he had to go -- simple as pie, logical too!
>
> <snicker> I thought you kooks thought he was framed. Now, even the
> evidence used to frame him has disappeared, leaving no recourse but to
> shoot Oz.
you got a circumstantial case against LHO re: JFK, you've got jackshit
when it comes to Tippit!
> > > > > If you do have doubts, why?
>
> > > > the weapon-rounds, physical presence-timing issues, conflicting
> > > > eyewitness evidence
>
> > > Straws. The main reason is you don`t want to believe that Oswald
> > > committed these crimes, you want to believe other people are
> > > responsible.
>
> > I don't care if he DID do the crime, you moron -- I'm agnostic when it
> > comes to him, my interest is WHY JFK was murdered and how it was
> > covered up. I could care less who did the shooting.
>
> Exactly what I said. You have people you want to blame for this
> crime, you don`t want to be distracted by trivial details like Oz`s
> obvious guilt..
>
obvious to Lone Nut-KOOKS, perhaps -- ya gotta get a bit more than
trival details -- nothing, NOTHING is obvious when it comes to LHO,
especially when there may of been MORE than one LHO.... straight out
of Hollyweird, right up CIA alley....
>
> > > > > Is it because there weren't 20 witnesses?
>
> > > > right now I'm looking for 10 eyewitnesses that are on the record as
> > > > ID'ing Oswald at the Tippit murder scene, **shooting Tippit**! (You
> > > > can have Fast Eddy Cage do the grunt work here, if you wish)
>
> > > Ah, so when Callaway and Scoggins say they see Oz running around
> > > the corner from the shooting scene with a gun in his hand, or the
> > > Davis girls see him walking across their lawn with a gun seconds after
> > > the murder, that doesn`t count, because they didn`t actually see Oz do
> > > the shooting. Stellar thinking, what is wrong with these LN? Obviously
> > > Oz was chasing the actual killer, who happened to be invisible.
>
> > dudster you can't protect Fast Eddy Cage, he said 10 witness ID'd LHO,
> > who are they? So Dudster-KOOK
> > give me the 10 names of those who ID'd Oswald as the shooter of Tippit
> > -- and cites -- cut the bullshit get on with it....
>
> C`mon, Healy, at least try to put up the pretense of making an
> honest effort at figuring out what happened. People came right to
> their doors upon hearing the shots, and said they saw Oz with a gun.
> People right around the corner heard the shots, and said they saw Oz
> leaving quickly with a gun. Certainly figuring out what really
> happened is more important than scoring cheap points, right?
>
then those 10 witnesses (and their citations) IDing Oswald as Tippits
shooter should be no problem, eh? Fast Eddy Cage tells us so!
> ...
>
> read more ยป
David Von Pein
And Givens couldn't possibly have shot at JFK either (what with him
being at Main and Record Streets at 12:30).
Nor is Givens likely to be a "plotter" WITH Oswald. If he was, he was
a rotten one. -- i.e., where was Charlie when Oswald needed him most
at 12:33 PM in front of the Book Depository?
Did Charles get cold feet and take off?
The fact that Givens left Dealey Plaza is a total non-issue.
aeffects
> In article <1184194610.152762.252...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, aeffects
they just don't get it...... they don't read the WCR and the volumes,
they don't know the evidence, they have no idea the traps they (the
Lone Nut-KOOKS) walk into
Todd W. Vaughan
> On Jul 10, 8:56 pm, "Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 10, 11:31 pm,aeffects<aeffe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jul 10, 7:56 pm, "justme1...@gmail.com" <justme1...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
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> > > > > On Jul 10, 7:18 pm, "justme1...@gmail.com" <justme1...@gmail.com>
> > > Lone Nut Researchers here...
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> > > > justme.- Hide quoted text -
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> > David,
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> > You wrote:
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> > Lone Nut Researchers here... "
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> > ROTFLMFAO!
>
> > You've got to be kidding.
>
LOL!
Awwwww, Turtle. You can't even get that right.
I never said I didn't know where they were, did I?
I said they were in storage and that I couldn't get to them.
And that was a true statement.
Hmm, I wonder - were you this piss poor in the accuracy of all of the
JFK information you've supposedly forgotton!
Oh wait, how would you know? You forgot it all.
QUOTE ON
"And quite frankly I'veforgotmore concerning this case than any 10
Lone Nut Researchers here". - David "The Turtle" Healey
QUOTE OFF
LMGDFAOAOTFP!
This from the "researcher" who spouted off about the Tippit shooting,
but then admitted that he really didn't know the facts of the Tippit
shooting and hadn't even read the only book on the Tippit shooting,
With Malice.
LMAO!
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> > Todd- Hide quoted text -
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Ben Holmes
Vaughan says...
>
I'm sure you realize Toddy - that as the years go by - lurkers are going to
start questioning such an idea.
I can lay my hands on around a 100 books on the assassination three feet from
where I'm typing.
Yet you can't seem to locate the materials to refute [the post that quoted
eyewitnesses to FBI intimidation] that you claim is in storage...
Perhaps you chose to put your personal files in a storage facility three states
away... who knows...
But your story *does* grow increasingly silly.
>And that was a true statement.
It's also a "true statement" that you will *never* respond in detail to the
entire post - refuting it as you assert that you will.
And I doubt quite seriously if you'll ever make me retract that statement.
Todd W. Vaughan
> In article <1184545244.413524.66...@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Todd W.
Good for you.
I can as well, and even more books than 100.
But let's call it 20 feet from where I'm typing.
Your point?
>
> Yet you can't seem to locate the materials to refute [the post that quoted
> eyewitnesses to FBI intimidation] that you claim is in storage...
That's it?
That's you point?
Quite disingenuous of you, 'Li Benny.
I never said the material was comprised of books, did I?
Nope. I didn't.
'Lil Benny.
So silly.
>
> Perhaps you chose to put your personal files in a storage facility three states
> away... who knows...
Perhaps you talk out of your ass, mindlessly speculating about other
peoples business.
>
> But your story *does* grow increasingly silly.
>
> >And that was a true statement.
>
> It's also a "true statement" that you will *never* respond in detail to the
> entire post - refuting it as you assert that you will.
Ah, and when I do, you'll be shown to be a liar...yet again.
>
> And I doubt quite seriously if you'll ever make me retract that statement.
I won't "make" you do anything, Ben.
I'll leave it all up to you.
>
>
>
> >Hmm, I wonder - were you this piss poor in the accuracy of all of the
> >JFK information you've supposedly forgotton!
>
> >Oh wait, how would you know? You forgot it all.
>
> >QUOTE ON
>
> >"And quite frankly I'veforgotmore concerning this case than any 10
> >Lone Nut Researchers here". - David "The Turtle" Healey
>
> >QUOTE OFF
>
> >LMGDFAOAOTFP!
>
> >This from the "researcher" who spouted off about the Tippit shooting,
> >but then admitted that he really didn't know the facts of the Tippit
> >shooting and hadn't even read the only book on the Tippit shooting,
> >With Malice.
>
> >LMAO!
>
> >> > Todd- Hide quoted text -
Todd W. Vaughan
I bet they talk behind you back at the DOJO, Ben.
I bet they did in the Corps as well.
Oh, and the talk, the nicknames, there are merciless, endless, weren't
t they, Ben?
You engaged in some of that name-calling, yourself, yes?
And did you have some sort of "incident" that is now "Legendary",
kind of, in your own mind?
Trouble in the whiskey locker?
Short sheeted?
An altercation of sorts with a fellow Devil Dog?
When asked couldn't recall Jack Shit about Tun Tavern?
Lied, and claimed you were never told about the live .45 round and
single match?
Or couldn't remember where they are kept?
Nonsense!
What's your fourth general order, Ben?
>
> >Hmm, I wonder - were you this piss poor in the accuracy of all of the
> >JFK information you've supposedly forgotton!
>
> >Oh wait, how would you know? You forgot it all.
>
> >QUOTE ON
>
> >"And quite frankly I'veforgotmore concerning this case than any 10
> >Lone Nut Researchers here". - David "The Turtle" Healey
>
> >QUOTE OFF
>
> >LMGDFAOAOTFP!
>
> >This from the "researcher" who spouted off about the Tippit shooting,
> >but then admitted that he really didn't know the facts of the Tippit
> >shooting and hadn't even read the only book on the Tippit shooting,
> >With Malice.
>
> >LMAO!
>
> >> > Todd- Hide quoted text -
tomnln
ALL in his own Lying words.
"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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tomnln
http://whokilledjfk.net/todd_vaughan.htm
"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Todd W. Vaughan
> If it's a question of WHO the Liar is, SEE>>>http://whokilledjfk.net/todd_vaughan.htm
>
You stil round, pimping out Ellen?
> "Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1184546630.7...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> ...
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> read more ยป- Hide quoted text -
Todd W. Vaughan
> WHO is toad vaughan?>>>http://whokilledjfk.net/todd_vaughan.htm
>
> ALL in his own Lying words.
Visited my neighboorhood altely, you yellow-bellied cum-to-bathroom
transport device.
>
> "Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaughan2...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1184545244....@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
tomnln
HERE is Whore who sold his soul>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/todd_vaughan.htm
ALL in his own words.
"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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tomnln
http://whokilledjfk.net/todd_vaughan.htm
ALL in your own Lying "Anti-American Words.
Not to mention Coward who attacks women.
Tell the nice people WHY you LIED about Lee J. Bowers?>>>
http://whokilledjfk.net/todd_vaughan.htm
"Todd W. Vaughan" <twvaug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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tomnln
to 3,167 members of Hell's Angels.
From there toad developed a Hatred for America when he discovered his wife
also turned $0.35 Tricks at Lumber Camps. (too ugly for a cathouse)
Toad's Hatred for America is evidence by his own words
HERE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/todd_vaughan.htm
toad's lies makes him an Accessory After the Fact to Murder.
toad has NO respect for a slain President.
toad has NO respect for the 58,000 American kids who came home from NAM in
body bags
toad has NO respect fot the next genersations of his own family.
toad is a WHORE who got Paid to LIE.
Check ouit his Lies HERE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/todd_vaughan.htm
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Bud
aeffects wrote:
> On Jul 11, 5:46 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
> > aeffects wrote:
> > > On Jul 11, 10:33 am, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
> > > > aeffects wrote:
> > > > > On Jul 10, 9:43 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > > To Dave Healy,
> >
> > > > > > Do you really think there's any doubt at all about Lee Oswald's guilt
> > > > > > in the Tippit murder?
> >
> > > > > Your presupposing you have a case against Oswald,
> >
> > > > Much, much more than most people are convicted with.
> >
> > > Dudster-KOOK, most convicted folks had nothing to do with a
> > > Presidentail assassination....
> >
> > Same rules still apply. And there is much, much more evidence
> > against Oz than most people are convicted with.
>
> opining -- there was no Oswald trial
The existance of the evidence does not depend on a trial. And
there is more of it than most people are convicted with.
> > > Frankly I think there was no case
> > > againt Oswald, that's why he was murdered, no suspect - no trial ---
> >
> > But you will never be able to substantiate these random neural
> > firings your brain produces.
>
> Lone Nut nonsense (read: running scared)
You seemed to be blurting a lot of unformed thoughts (most that
should have been aborted before coming to term). I thought you kooks
contend that there was a massive effort to frame your precious patsy.
Now you say they had no recourse but to kill him, since they had "no
case".
> > > elementary my dear Watson....
> >
> > Elementary school being the extent of your schooling?
>
> Lone Nut-KOOK nonsense (read: running scared)
"running scared"? From what? You aren`t witty enough to engage in
a flame war, and your defective thinking prevents you from conducting
a sustained discussion of the case. What does that leave? "ROTFLMAO"?
> > > > > only a grand jury
> > > > > decides that...frankly, concerning the Tippit murder, I doubt Oswald
> > > > > would get a fair trial in Dallas.
> >
> > > > Then he should have chose a betterr location to commit murders in.
> >
> > > any other police department perhaps he might of got to trail --
> > > imagine that, eh?
> >
> > Philly cops would have killed him in the Texas Theater when he
> > attacked them.
>
> thank you for answering my question.... you're reinforcing my
> position, LHO would not face a trial...
<snicker> Now I have to explain my position to you, and your own?
You said "any other police department perhaps he might have got to
trial-" If the Dallas police wanted him dead, they could have done it
easily and legally in the Texas Theater. Ruby would have had to go to
the cemetery to shoot Oz if it was Philly cops he pulled that stunt
on.
> > > > > I also suspect (seeing who ELSE was
> > > > > murdered that day, AND associated with JFK's murder)
> >
> > > > Yah, just happened to be at the locations of two seperate murders,
> > > > and ordinary people at both locations say Oz was shooting people.
> >
> > > gett'em in that window dudster-KOOK then you'll have my attention,
> >
> > We have him at his place of work, with his rifle, shooting
> > people. What you don`t have is another shooter, with a rifle, shooting
> > from anywhere. But that has slipped your attention.
>
> you got a circumstantial case, of course ....
More of a case than most people are convicted with.
> with what we know today,
You don`t even know what day it is today.
> LHO, with a 2nd year law student as defense counsel, would walk.
All the way to the chair.
> > > if
> > > he wasn't in that window and he did Tippit, you got yourself a full
> > > blown conspiracy in the death of JFK --
> >
> > Since it`s clear he committed both murders, there is no need to
> > imagine boogie-men. But you wouldn`t know anything about that, unaware
> > as you are that there is even a case against Oz.
>
> clear as mud Dudster-KOOK.... see above
Above is me telling you it`s clear Oz committed both murders,
idjit.
> > > Based on all I know about Lone
> > > Nutter-KOOKS, that's unacceptable....
> >
> > Unsupported.
> >
> > > > > whomever the DA
> > > > > decided to stand trial for Tippit's murder, the grand jury would
> > > > > rubber stamp - NO doubt.
> >
> > > > So, it wouldn`t be the witnesses, or the fact that Oz tried to kill
> > > > arresting police, it would be to make the DA happy. Stellar.
> >
> > > ahh, that magical Fast EddyCage-KOOK and his wandering band of 10
> > > eyewitness ID'ing LHO as the shooter of Tippit. The DPD were charging
> > > him with attempted murder on the arresting officers -- Dudster-KOOK
> > > your pulling charges out of your ass these day's.... there was no case
> > > against Oswald that why he had to go -- simple as pie, logical too!
> >
> > <snicker> I thought you kooks thought he was framed. Now, even the
> > evidence used to frame him has disappeared, leaving no recourse but to
> > shoot Oz.
>
> you got a circumstantial case against LHO re: JFK, you've got jackshit
> when it comes to Tippit!
You`ve got jackshit when it comes to brain cells. Put down the
crackpipe, pick up a book.
> > > > > > If you do have doubts, why?
> >
> > > > > the weapon-rounds, physical presence-timing issues, conflicting
> > > > > eyewitness evidence
> >
> > > > Straws. The main reason is you don`t want to believe that Oswald
> > > > committed these crimes, you want to believe other people are
> > > > responsible.
> >
> > > I don't care if he DID do the crime, you moron -- I'm agnostic when it
> > > comes to him, my interest is WHY JFK was murdered and how it was
> > > covered up. I could care less who did the shooting.
> >
> > Exactly what I said. You have people you want to blame for this
> > crime, you don`t want to be distracted by trivial details like Oz`s
> > obvious guilt..
> >
>
> obvious to Lone Nut-KOOKS, perhaps -- ya gotta get a bit more than
> trival details -- nothing, NOTHING is obvious when it comes to LHO,
It`s obvious kooks long to taste his moist lips. I suggest
clearing them of maggots first.
> especially when there may of been MORE than one LHO.... straight out
> of Hollyweird, right up CIA alley....
So, your drug-saturated mind conceives that Oz doubles is something
the CIA might do, eh? That is signifcant.
> > > > > > Is it because there weren't 20 witnesses?
> >
> > > > > right now I'm looking for 10 eyewitnesses that are on the record as
> > > > > ID'ing Oswald at the Tippit murder scene, **shooting Tippit**! (You
> > > > > can have Fast Eddy Cage do the grunt work here, if you wish)
> >
> > > > Ah, so when Callaway and Scoggins say they see Oz running around
> > > > the corner from the shooting scene with a gun in his hand, or the
> > > > Davis girls see him walking across their lawn with a gun seconds after
> > > > the murder, that doesn`t count, because they didn`t actually see Oz do
> > > > the shooting. Stellar thinking, what is wrong with these LN? Obviously
> > > > Oz was chasing the actual killer, who happened to be invisible.
> >
> > > dudster you can't protect Fast Eddy Cage, he said 10 witness ID'd LHO,
> > > who are they? So Dudster-KOOK
> > > give me the 10 names of those who ID'd Oswald as the shooter of Tippit
> > > -- and cites -- cut the bullshit get on with it....
> >
> > C`mon, Healy, at least try to put up the pretense of making an
> > honest effort at figuring out what happened. People came right to
> > their doors upon hearing the shots, and said they saw Oz with a gun.
> > People right around the corner heard the shots, and said they saw Oz
> > leaving quickly with a gun. Certainly figuring out what really
> > happened is more important than scoring cheap points, right?
> >
>
>
> then those 10 witnesses (and their citations) IDing Oswald as Tippits
> shooter should be no problem, eh? Fast Eddy Cage tells us so!
What difference does it make, you`re agnostic about Oz`s guilt,
remember? You can`t be wasting your limited thinking on issues like
this, you need to be daydreaming about CIA Oz doubles, poison-pin
firing umbrellas and the like.
justm...@gmail.com
How sweet, Pretty in Pink Bennie rushes to Healys side in his
defense...isn't love grand?
aeffects
what is readily apparent is this, you Lone Nutter's are TERRIFIED (in
a pathological way) of conspiracy! What makes you so petrified? The
boogey man gonna get you, a commie come out from under your bed? A few
histroy books to rewrite (would be expensive, I agree, but what-the-
fuck)?
> ...
>
> read more ยป
Ben Holmes
Nah... they say it to my face. Judoka aren't cowards, Toddy.
But this won't get you off the hook for the post you can't refute.
>I bet they did in the Corps as well.
Who knows?
>Oh, and the talk, the nicknames, there are merciless, endless, weren't
>t they, Ben?
>
>You engaged in some of that name-calling, yourself, yes?
>
>And did you have some sort of "incident" that is now "Legendary",
>kind of, in your own mind?
>
>Trouble in the whiskey locker?
>
>Short sheeted?
>
>An altercation of sorts with a fellow Devil Dog?
>
>When asked couldn't recall Jack Shit about Tun Tavern?
Been Googling, I see...
>Lied, and claimed you were never told about the live .45 round and
>single match?
>
>Or couldn't remember where they are kept?
>
>Nonsense!
>
>What's your fourth general order, Ben?
What would be far more germane to this newsgroup than all this ad hominem, Toddy
- is why can't you refute the eyewitness accounts of FBI intimidation?
Why did the FBI feel it necessary to intimidate the eyewitnesses, Toddy?
Ben Holmes
We shall see in just a moment, won't we? [Clearly, you didn't think of it, or
you'd not have fallen for it...]
>> Yet you can't seem to locate the materials to refute [the post that quoted
>> eyewitnesses to FBI intimidation] that you claim is in storage...
>
>
>That's it?
>
>That's you point?
>
>Quite disingenuous of you, 'Li Benny.
>
>I never said the material was comprised of books, did I?
>
>Nope. I didn't.
>
>'Lil Benny.
>
>So silly.
Now we know that in your entire library of JFK material, admittedly *more* than
100 books, you can't find *anything* that refutes the eyewitness reports of FBI
intimidation.
So you are claiming references that most of the well-read JFK conspiracy or
non-conspiracy authors have completely missed.
How likely is that, one might wonder.
You see, Toddy; *I* know you're lying... but the lurkers will, as the years go
by, come to that same inescapable conclusion.
The fact that you're desperately firing off ad hominems attacks merely
illustrates it.
But don't worry... I'll not forget to repost it [the 'FBI Intimidation' Post]
every few months - just to remind folks of what sort of character you have.
>> Perhaps you chose to put your personal files in a storage facility three
>> states away... who knows...
>
>Perhaps you talk out of your ass, mindlessly speculating about other
>peoples business.
Just trying to give you an alibi for letting years go by without stopping by the
storage place that is, for most people, only a mile away or so...
As the years go by, your excuse becomes more and more unbelievable for
lurkers...
>> But your story *does* grow increasingly silly.
>>
>> >And that was a true statement.
>>
>> It's also a "true statement" that you will *never* respond in detail to the
>> entire post - refuting it as you assert that you will.
>
>Ah, and when I do, you'll be shown to be a liar...yet again.
Anytime, Toddy... anytime.
>> And I doubt quite seriously if you'll ever make me retract that statement.
>
>
>I won't "make" you do anything, Ben.
*You* couldn't. My honesty and character will...
>I'll leave it all up to you.
Character... it matters...
Bud
What is apparent is that you don`t even really believe there was a
conspiracy. After all, you believe dangerous men are leaving a trail
of bodies, certainly you wouldn`t want to provoke people such as this,
if they existed.
> What makes you so petrified?
I try to avoid stupid thinking. You embrace it.
> The
> boogey man gonna get you, a commie come out from under your bed?
Ruby killed the only bad guy. That you imagine thousands more is of
no consequence.
> A few
> histroy books to rewrite (would be expensive, I agree, but what-the-
> fuck)?
Yah, it`s not like you were going to read them anyway.