A Key Point Concerning Oswald And The Tippit Murder

[David Von Pein]

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A key point to be made regarding Lee Harvey Oswald's involvement in
the J.D. Tippit murder is this:

If Lee Oswald couldn't possibly have even been at Tenth and Patton in
time to shoot Officer Tippit (as many conspiracy theorists believe),
then how in the world do those same CTers explain the observations of
Ted Callaway and other witnesses near the scene of Tippit's murder who
positively IDed Oswald as the man they saw on Patton Avenue or
Jefferson Blvd. right after Tippit was shot?

Surely the CTers don't think ALL of those witnesses were lying, do
they? And, in particular, Ted Callaway, who got a good look at Oswald,
who was right across the street from where Callaway observed him on
November 22.

It seems to me that the conspiracy clowns who think Oswald could not
have possibly been at the scene of the crime have a tough time backing
up such a claim when witnesses like Callaway and Searcy and Patterson
and Guinyard exist in the official record.

And surely the CTers aren't going to use this silly argument:

Well, yes, Dave, Callaway saw Oswald--but Callaway only saw him
AFTER the shooting. He didn't actually see Oswald SHOOT Tippit.

The above argument is just crazy, if that same CTer is ALSO of the
opinion that Oswald couldn't possibly have made it to 10th & Patton in
time to shoot Tippit.

And it's crazy because those two things (the shooting itself and
Callaway seeing Oswald up near the corner of 10th & Patton) occurred
within literally SECONDS of each other.

Do CTers really think that Oswald didn't have nearly enough time to
actually pull the trigger on Tippit, but he DID have ample time to be
seen by Callaway, Guinyard, Patterson, et al, just a few SECONDS
later?

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[aeffects]

On Dec 12, 9:15 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:

<snip>

no advertising and off your knees troll... Dale 'look at my Emmy popo'
Myer is quite comfortable without your services....

[Walt]

On Dec 12, 11:15 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,5531.msg128100.h...

>
> A key point to be made regarding Lee Harvey Oswald's involvement in
> the J.D. Tippit murder is this:
>
> If Lee Oswald couldn't possibly have even been at Tenth and Patton in
> time to shoot Officer Tippit (as many conspiracy theorists believe),
> then how in the world do those same CTers explain the observations of
> Ted Callaway and other witnesses near the scene of Tippit's murder who
> positively IDed Oswald as the man they saw on Patton Avenue or
> Jefferson Blvd. right after Tippit was shot?

Ted Calloway was a blowhard used car salesman who wanted to get the
limelight shining on himself.

He COULD NOT have identified Lee Oswald as the man he saw running on
the sidewalk on the east side of Patton. Callaway didn't know Oswald
so he couldn't have identified him....From the eyewitnesses reports It
seems likely Tippit's killer resembled Oswald but there's no way
Blowhard Callaway could be 100% certain who the stranger was.

>
> Surely the CTers don't think ALL of those witnesses were lying, do
> they? And, in particular, Ted Callaway, who got a good look at Oswald,
> who was right across the street from where Callaway observed him on
> November 22.

If Calloway could be mistaken about the gun the guy was carrying ( He
said it was a blued .32 calber automatic) then he certainly can't be
very reliable about what the guy looked like..... ( the spent shells
at the scene, and the bullets recovered from Tippit's body prove that
the gun was NOT a .32 automatic)

>
> It seems to me that the conspiracy clowns who think Oswald could not
> have possibly been at the scene of the crime have a tough time backing
> up such a claim when witnesses like Callaway and Searcy and Patterson
> and Guinyard exist in the official record.
>
> And surely the CTers aren't going to use this silly argument:
>
>       Well, yes, Dave, Callaway saw Oswald--but Callaway only saw him
> AFTER the shooting. He didn't actually see Oswald SHOOT Tippit.
>
> The above argument is just crazy, if that same CTer is ALSO of the
> opinion that Oswald couldn't possibly have made it to 10th & Patton in
> time to shoot Tippit.
>
> And it's crazy because those two things (the shooting itself and
> Callaway seeing Oswald up near the corner of 10th & Patton) occurred
> within literally SECONDS of each other.
>
> Do CTers really think that Oswald didn't have nearly enough time to
> actually pull the trigger on Tippit, but he DID have ample time to be
> seen by Callaway, Guinyard, Patterson, et al, just a few SECONDS
> later?
>

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[David Von Pein]

>>> "Callaway didn't know Oswald, so he couldn't have identified him." <<<

With the above idiotic comment, Walt just won the "Stupidest Post Of
The Week" award.

Congrats.

Via Walt's logic, no eyewitness could ever identify anyone that the
witness didn't personally know beforehand.

This further illustrates the lengths that morons like Walt will go to
in order to pretend Oswald was innocent. And this is a classic retard
statement repeated below. It should be framed for all future
conspiracy nuts to imitate:

"Callaway didn't know Oswald, so he couldn't have identified
him."

[aeffects]

[Walt]

Hey Stupid.....I know two guys that are twin brothers. I can't tell
if I'm talking to Juan or Jorge...and I know these guys..... Now If
the guy that Blowhard Ted Callaway saw RESEMBLED Lee Oswald he might
later have thought the guy was Oswald....Particularly when the cops
were already saying that Oswald was the guilty party who shot JFK.
Since Blowhard Ted wanted the limelight and he thought the cops really
had the killer, he saw an opportunity in joining the chorus and
attracting the limelight to himself and his business.

You're already on record here as a liar....so your rebuttal carries
little impact.

[aeffects]

[Gil Jesus]

On Dec 12, 12:15 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:

> Surely the CTers don't think ALL of those witnesses were lying, do
> they? And, in particular, Ted Callaway, who got a good look at Oswald,
> who was right across the street from where Callaway observed him on
> November 22.

Neither Callaway nor Guinyard ever saw the gunman. The gunman fled
down the alley between Tenth and Jefferson. Callaway and Guinyard had
the gunman coming down the street on different sides of the street and
crossing at different ends of the street. Both of their affidavits
gave no more of a description of the man as a white man.

Read the testimony and documents.

Both of their "ID"s of Oswald were after they were told Tippit's
killer was in the lineup and shown a battered and bruised Oswald with
three policemen.

Nice try.

[Walt]

Exactly right...... Ol Blowhard Ted, Id'ed Oswald
AFTER .....AFTER ....he saw him in custody, and when the police were
already saying that Oswald was guilty. That's when ol Blowhard jumped
on the bandwagon......

Gil, would you post Guinyard's and Callaway's affidavits?

[Rob Caprio]

David Von Pein wrote:
> http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,5531.msg128100.html#msg128100
>
>
> A key point to be made regarding Lee Harvey Oswald's involvement in
> the J.D. Tippit murder is this:
>
> If Lee Oswald couldn't possibly have even been at Tenth and Patton in
> time to shoot Officer Tippit (as many conspiracy theorists believe),
> then how in the world do those same CTers explain the observations of
> Ted Callaway and other witnesses near the scene of Tippit's murder who
> positively IDed Oswald as the man they saw on Patton Avenue or
> Jefferson Blvd. right after Tippit was shot?

Simple, read his actual testimony and you will see he was NOT
describing what LHO was wearing. He was NOT ID'ing LHO based on his
actual clothing.

This is why NO LNer will actually quote the testimony regarding the
supposed ID.

> Surely the CTers don't think ALL of those witnesses were lying, do
> they? And, in particular, Ted Callaway, who got a good look at Oswald,
> who was right across the street from where Callaway observed him on
> November 22.

Exactly, and he did NOT describe what LHO was known to be wearing.

> It seems to me that the conspiracy clowns who think Oswald could not
> have possibly been at the scene of the crime have a tough time backing
> up such a claim when witnesses like Callaway and Searcy and Patterson
> and Guinyard exist in the official record.

It seems to me IF LNers could show they really ID'd LHO based on what
he looked like and what he was wearing they would QUOTE this
testimony, but they never do.

> And surely the CTers aren't going to use this silly argument:
>
> Well, yes, Dave, Callaway saw Oswald--but Callaway only saw him
> AFTER the shooting. He didn't actually see Oswald SHOOT Tippit.

That is very relevant. Also, can you quote him describing LHO with
accuracy?

> The above argument is just crazy, if that same CTer is ALSO of the
> opinion that Oswald couldn't possibly have made it to 10th & Patton in
> time to shoot Tippit.

It couldn't be, and even Bill Alexander said they could NOT find one
person who said they saw LHO walking the supposed path he used to get
allegedly to 10th and Patton.

> And it's crazy because those two things (the shooting itself and
> Callaway seeing Oswald up near the corner of 10th & Patton) occurred
> within literally SECONDS of each other.

Then quote some testimony, but as usual all we get from DVP is hot
air.

> Do CTers really think that Oswald didn't have nearly enough time to
> actually pull the trigger on Tippit, but he DID have ample time to be
> seen by Callaway, Guinyard, Patterson, et al, just a few SECONDS
> later?

It has NEVER been shown the real LHO was seen by anyone near this
scene so you are trying to lie to us DVP. Typical.

[wgroom]

On Dec 12, 12:15 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:

> http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,5531.msg128100.h...

>
> A key point to be made regarding Lee Harvey Oswald's involvement in
> the J.D. Tippit murder is this:
>
> If Lee Oswald couldn't possibly have even been at Tenth and Patton in
> time to shoot Officer Tippit (as many conspiracy theorists believe),
> then how in the world do those same CTers explain the observations of
> Ted Callaway and other witnesses near the scene of Tippit's murder who
> positively IDed Oswald as the man they saw on Patton Avenue or
> Jefferson Blvd. right after Tippit was shot?
>

Oh one can look similar and not be the one can't they? Why not
include Warren Reynolds who didn't think it was LHO until he got shot
in the head, and then 'changed' his mind?

> Surely the CTers don't think ALL of those witnesses were lying, do
> they? And, in particular, Ted Callaway, who got a good look at Oswald,
> who was right across the street from where Callaway observed him on
> November 22.
>

Good look? And none of the witnesses saw any dark brown shirt or
heavier garment that the suspect had at the theater?

Of course the BY Photos don't have Oswald having any black trousers in
his wardrobe...and even Oswald was to say that this was a fraud photo.

> It seems to me that the conspiracy clowns who think Oswald could not
> have possibly been at the scene of the crime have a tough time backing
> up such a claim when witnesses like Callaway and Searcy and Patterson
> and Guinyard exist in the official record.
>
> And surely the CTers aren't going to use this silly argument:
>

Why not use the argument where Oswald was seen by his closest observer
to have hair blocked in the back then?

Even Oswald's barber said his hair was much darker than the suspects
hair, which makes hair observers in the same category as they said it
was darker in some instances. (Look at Oswald's early childhood -
teen photos and you'll see a darker head of hair) (Hair goes darker
as you get older, not lighter). Which gives rise to TSBD Oswald being
different....as his hair was not thick, brownish, and not blocked in
the back...

>       Well, yes, Dave, Callaway saw Oswald--but Callaway only saw him
> AFTER the shooting. He didn't actually see Oswald SHOOT Tippit.
>
> The above argument is just crazy, if that same CTer is ALSO of the
> opinion that Oswald couldn't possibly have made it to 10th & Patton in
> time to shoot Tippit.
>

And no one saw this getting there to 10th and Patton but witnesses saw
him at least three blocks up E. Tenth, coming from that direction....

> And it's crazy because those two things (the shooting itself and
> Callaway seeing Oswald up near the corner of 10th & Patton) occurred
> within literally SECONDS of each other.
>
> Do CTers really think that Oswald didn't have nearly enough time to
> actually pull the trigger on Tippit, but he DID have ample time to be
> seen by Callaway, Guinyard, Patterson, et al, just a few SECONDS
> later?
>

Why, when TSBD Oswald was seen at 1:07 in the Texas Theater and the
ambulance driver came on the scene around 1:18?

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[Walt]

Two DPD officers who were at the TSBD at 1:06 heard the report of an
officer being shot in OakclIiff. They heard Dom Benavides or TF Bowley
talking to the dispatcher. They jumped in their police cruiser and
headed for Oakcliff code 3. After the crossed the Houston street
viaduct they stopped at the intersection of Zangs and N.Beckley to
allow the ambulance that was carring JD Tippit to Methodist Hospital
to pass in front of them. The time was 1:15.....

The ambulance driver DEPARTED the scene before 1:15.......and was
several blocks away and on his way to the hospital with JD Tippit in
the back when the two DPD officers saw him cross in front of them.



>
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>
> wg

[David Von Pein]

>>> "Ol Blowhard Ted, Id'ed Oswald AFTER .....AFTER ....he saw him in custody..." <<<

The kook above apparently thinks that Callaway should have made a
positive I.D. of Oswald BEFORE Oswald was arrested.

I wonder how Ted could have done something like that? Perhaps the CT
kook can explain it for us.

[Walt]

Duh!...... What I said was AFTER the police loudly proclaimed that
Oswald was the leader of a communist band and he was the culprit who
had murdered the President .....THEN ol blowhard Ted Callaway jumped
on the band wagon and said ..." Yes, that's the guy I saw running away
from the scene"....The cops never batted an eye, and they didn't
remind him that the description he gave just minutes after the
shooting did NOT match Oswald. However the badgered the hell out of
Howard Brennan who said that Oswald was NOT the man he seen with a
hunting rifle on the sixth floor of the TSBD during the shooting.
They wouldn't accept Howard Brennan's statement, but they accepted Ted
callaway with hesitation.

[Gil Jesus]

On Dec 13, 9:53 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:

> Gil, would you post Guinyard's and Callaway's affidavits ?

They're on my website:

http://www.giljesus.com/tippit/jacket.htm

scroll down to :

"Skeptical witness identification of the gray jacket as the jacket the
killer wore"

The handwritten copies of Guinyard's and Callaway's statements are
there. Neither gave a description of the gunman, only to say he was
"white".

Further evidence that Callaway never saw the gunman comes from the
testimony of Benavides:


Mr. BENAVIDES. And so Ted then got in the taxicab and the taxicab came
to a halt and he asked me which way he went.

( 6 H 452 )

Why on earth would Callaway have asked Benavides which way the gunman
went if Callaway had just confronted him face-to-face on Patton St.
just seconds before ?

Because Callaway's story is BS.

[Walt]

On Dec 14, 7:54 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Dec 13, 9:53 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> > Gil, would you post Guinyard's and Callaway's affidavits ?
>
> They're on my website:
>
> http://www.giljesus.com/tippit/jacket.htm

This link is to a religious website

>
> scroll down to :
>
> "Skeptical witness identification of the gray jacket as the jacket the
> killer wore"
>
> The handwritten copies of Guinyard's and Callaway's statements are
> there. Neither gave a description of the gunman, only to say he was
> "white".
>
> Further evidence that Callaway never saw the gunman comes from the
> testimony of Benavides:
>
> Mr. BENAVIDES. And so Ted then got in the taxicab and the taxicab came
> to a halt and he asked me which way he went.
>
> ( 6 H 452 )
>
> Why on earth would Callaway have asked Benavides which way the gunman
> went if Callaway had just confronted him face-to-face on Patton St.
> just seconds before ?

That's an excellent rhetorical question ....... I wonder if any of
the LNer's can answer it?

>
> Because Callaway's story is BS.

That's exactly right.....A BS story from a blowhard Bullshitter......

[Gil Jesus]

On Dec 14, 10:41 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
> On Dec 14, 7:54 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 13, 9:53 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> > > Gil, would you post Guinyard's and Callaway's affidavits ?
>
> > They're on my website:
>
> >http://www.giljesus.com/tippit/jacket.htm
>
> This link is to a religious website

Sorry, I didn't use a capital "T" on "Tippit".

Here it is corrected:

http://www.giljesus.com/Tippit/jacket.htm

[Walt]

On Dec 13, 10:17 am, wgroom <wgr...@hotmail.com> wrote:

You make a good,and valid, point about the difference between the hair
of Tippit's killer, and the hair of Lee Oswald.... However Benvides
DID NOT say the killer's hair was "BLOCKED IN THE BACK.....That's your
interpretation. Benavides said he noticed thet the man who had just
shot Tippit had an unusual haircut. Benavides noticed that the
killer's hair was cut in a manner that made the BACK OF HIS HEAD
appear to be FLAT. The DPD mug shots of Lee Oswald which were taken
just a couple of hours after the Tippit murder show that Lee Oswald's
hair was totally different than the killer's. The back of Lee
Oswald's head was cone shaped..... This is a FACT, but the LNer's
always lie and claim that the witnesses described Lee Oswald as the
Killer. Dom benavides was THE PRIME witness! He was only about 15
feet away from Tippit when he was murdered, and he saw the killer. The
PRIME witness DID NOT describe Lee Oswald!

>
> >       Well, yes, Dave, Callaway saw Oswald--but Callaway only saw him
> > AFTER the shooting. He didn't actually see Oswald SHOOT Tippit.
>
> > The above argument is just crazy, if that same CTer is ALSO of the
> > opinion that Oswald couldn't possibly have made it to 10th & Patton in
> > time to shoot Tippit.
>
> And no one saw this getting there to 10th and Patton but witnesses saw
> him at least three blocks up E. Tenth, coming from that direction....
>
> > And it's crazy because those two things (the shooting itself and
> > Callaway seeing Oswald up near the corner of 10th & Patton) occurred
> > within literally SECONDS of each other.
>
> > Do CTers really think that Oswald didn't have nearly enough time to
> > actually pull the trigger on Tippit, but he DID have ample time to be
> > seen by Callaway, Guinyard, Patterson, et al, just a few SECONDS
> > later?
>
> Why, when TSBD Oswald was seen at 1:07 in the Texas Theater and the
> ambulance driver came on the scene around 1:18?
>

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>
> wg

[Walt]

Thank you.....

Gil, I'm fairly sure that the caption below the pictures of the two
different jackets is inaccurate..... That caption reads......

" At 1:22 p.m. the Dallas police radio described the man wanted for
the murder of Tippit as "a white male about thirty, five foot eight
inches, black hair, slender, wearing a white jacket, white shirt and
dark slacks." According to Patrolman Poe this description came from
Mrs. Markham and Mrs. Barbara Jeanette Davis. Mrs. Markham told Poe
that the man was a "white male, about 25, about five feet eight, brown
hair, medium," and wearing a "white jacket." Mrs. Davis gave Poe the
same general description: a "white male in his early twenties, around
five foot seven inches or eight inches, about 145 pounds," and wearing
a white jacket."

( Report, pg. 175 )

The the book "With Malice" there is a clarification as to where
Officer Poe obtained the description of Tippit's Killer. I believe
Poe said He got the description from a woman ( Helen Markham, and a
man ( Ted Callaway) We can know that Ted Callaway DESCRIBED the
killer as ...Quote....."" "a white male about thirty, five foot eight
inches, black hair, slender, wearing a white jacket, white shirt and
dark slacks." ...unquote because the man who gave Officer Poe the
above description also told Poe that the man was carrying a blue .32
automatic hand gun. Ted Callaway is THE ONLY man who said the
suspected killer was carrying a blue ,32 automatic.

Your quote from page 175 of The Warren Report is just another of those
subtle lies that are scattered throughout the WR. Officer Poe
certainly did get descriptions of the killer from Helen Markham and
Barbara Davis ......BUT that's not where he got the description of the
suspect that he radioed to the dispatcher.....he had just obtained the
killer's description from Helen Markham and Ted Callaway and then used
his radio to send the description to the police dispatcher.

The point is Ted Callaway identified Oswald as the man he saw leaving
the scene.....And he ID'ed Oswald AFTER seeing Oswald's picture on TV
and hearing that Oswald was a turncoat marine and a leader of a band
of communists, and the assassin. The FACT that he gave a description
of a man that DID NOT fit the description of Lee Oswald proves that he
was lying. Before he saw Oswald on TV he gave a discription of a man
who was not Oswald.

[bigdog]

On Dec 14, 10:41 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:

> On Dec 14, 7:54 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 13, 9:53 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> > > Gil, would you post Guinyard's and Callaway's affidavits ?
>
> > They're on my website:
>
> >http://www.giljesus.com/tippit/jacket.htm
>
> This link is to a religious website
>

That's just a front for Gillie to troll for teenagers.

[bigdog]

On Dec 14, 8:54 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Dec 13, 9:53 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> > Gil, would you post Guinyard's and Callaway's affidavits ?
>
> They're on my website:
>
> http://www.giljesus.com/tippit/jacket.htm
>
> scroll down to :
>
> "Skeptical witness identification of the gray jacket as the jacket the
> killer wore"
>

And if he does, Giltardo will be up to 4 hits.

[Walt]

Hey Von Pea Brain where have you slithered off to??? You opened this
thread, don't you have the guts to continue?

[David Von Pein]

I accomplished my purpose, Walt-Kook. I was able to get you CT nuts to
say more insane things as you pretend LHO was innocent.

And the "Blowhard Callaway" claptrap was the bonus prize in the CT
package in this thread. Thanks.

[Walt]

Von Pea Brain wrote:....." Ted Callaway and other witnesses near the

scene of Tippit's murder who positively IDed Oswald as the man they
saw on Patton Avenue or Jefferson Blvd. right after Tippit was shot? "

Of course DVP ignored the fact that Callaway DESCRIBED a man who was
NOT Lee Oswald when he gave the description of the suspect to Officer
Poe just minutes after the shooting. Then DVP the lying Slug ignored
the description that the PRIME witness gave. Domingo Benavides
testified that Tippit's killer had his hair cut in a manner that made
the back of his head appear to be flat. And mug shots taken by the
DPD just hours after the shooting show that Oswald had his hair cut
entirely different than the killer's hair cut as described by
Benavides.

Von Pea Brain you're simply a liar...... You know that your lies were
being exposed and that's why you slithered away.

[bigdog]

So, Waltards, how do you explain Oswald having possession of the gun
that fired the shells that the shooter left on the ground following
the Tippit murder?

[Walt]

Your ignorance shines forth once again.....Apparently you don't know
that the shells in evidence lack a clear chain of custody. And the
officer who had initial possession of the shells said that he couldn't
be sure they were the shells he had in the cigarette package at the
scene of the shooting.

Since Poe couldn't identify the shells.....why do you think that you
know they were the shells found at the scene??



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[David Von Pein]

What about the OTHER two (non-Poe) shells, Walter?

We know that V. Davis and B. Davis only saw ONE gunman dumping shells
on the ground in their yard. Which means, naturally, that ALL of the
shells that were later found on the Davis property were left there by
Tippit's ONE killer. Which means, naturally, that even without the two
Poe shells, Oswald's gun was the murder weapon.

And no CTer with any brain cells is going to suggest that the Davis/
Doughty and Davis/Dhority shells don't have a clear chain of custody.

Are you, Walt-Kook?

[Walt]

On Dec 16, 8:31 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> What about the OTHER two (non-Poe) shells, Walter?
>
> We know that V. Davis and B. Davis only saw ONE gunman dumping shells
> on the ground in their yard. Which means, naturally, that ALL of the
> shells that were later found on the Davis property were left there by
> Tippit's ONE killer. Which means, naturally, that even without the two
> Poe shells, Oswald's gun was the murder weapon.

Duh!.... The question is:.... Are the shells in evidence the same
shells that were found at the scene. I don't believe they are, and
you can't prove they are because of the way the shells were handled.
There is no unbroken chain to prove that the shells presented to the
warren Commission were the same shells picked up by Dom Benavides and
the Davis sisters.

[Walt]

On Dec 16, 8:31 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> What about the OTHER two (non-Poe) shells, Walter?
>
> We know that V. Davis and B. Davis only saw ONE gunman dumping shells
> on the ground in their yard. Which means, naturally, that ALL of the
> shells that were later found on the Davis property were left there by
> Tippit's ONE killer. Which means, naturally, that even without the two
> Poe shells, Oswald's gun was the murder weapon.

The shells prove nothing!!..... Because we simply don't know with
100% certainty that they are the ones that were found at the
scene .....Or....If in fact they were fired in Oswald's pistol.

The ONLY way we can establish any facts about the origin of the
bullets recovered from Tippits body is by a ballistic comparison and
matching the bullets to the gun. And even an idiot like you should
know that the authorities were unable to establish that the fatal
bullets had been fired from Oswald's pistol. They simply couldn't
prove that Oswald's pistol was the murder weapon.

[Walt]

Are you referring to the spent shell that was found several hours
after the shooting? Surely your smart enough to know that this
particular shell might not have been there at the scene when the area
was throughly scoured for evidence.

Perhaps the fact that this shell was found after all police had left
the scene is a way of explaining why the bullets recovered from
Tippit's body don't match the spent shells in evidence. Three of the
four bullets removed from Tippit's body were manufactured by
Winchester Western, and the fourth bullet was manufactured by
Remington Peters.

The spent shells in evidence don't match those bullets, because two of
the spent shells were manufactured by Winchester Western and two were
manufactured by Remington Peters.

If the person who left the spent shell at the scene for Davis to find,
had left a Winchester Western shell in stead of a Reminton Peters
shell there would be no controversy.... But alas, the best laid
plans often go astray, when criminals do the planning.




>
> Are you, Walt-Kook?

[bigdog]

On Dec 17, 11:07 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
> On Dec 16, 8:31 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > What about the OTHER two (non-Poe) shells, Walter?
>
> > We know that V. Davis and B. Davis only saw ONE gunman dumping shells
> > on the ground in their yard. Which means, naturally, that ALL of the
> > shells that were later found on the Davis property were left there by
> > Tippit's ONE killer. Which means, naturally, that even without the two
> > Poe shells, Oswald's gun was the murder weapon.
>
> > And no CTer with any brain cells is going to suggest that the Davis/
> > Doughty and Davis/Dhority shells don't have a clear chain of custody.
>
> Are you referring to the spent shell that was found several hours
> after the shooting?   Surely your smart enough to know that this
> particular shell might not have been there at the scene when the area
> was throughly scoured for evidence.
>
> Perhaps the fact that this shell was found after all police had left
> the scene is a way of explaining why the bullets recovered from
> Tippit's body don't match the spent shells in evidence.

No, retard, the bullets couldn't be matched because they were
undersized for the barrel creating inconsistent marks. Two
consectutive test bullets fired from that gun couldn't be matched to
each other. Oswald's gun had a .38 caliber barrel and he was firing .
38 specials. The .38 special has a true caliber of .357, so the
bullets were .023 inches smaller in diameter than the bore.

> Three of the
> four bullets removed from Tippit's body were manufactured by
> Winchester Western, and the fourth bullet was manufactured by
> Remington Peters.
>
> The spent shells in evidence don't match those bullets, because two of
> the spent shells were manufactured by Winchester Western and two were
> manufactured by Remington Peters.
>

The WC addressed that in a very logical manner. Rather than me repeat
what they wrote, why don't you find it in the WCR. Since you probably
don't have a copy, having apparently never read it, you can get read
the entire report online for free. You might also find out that Oswald
had both makes of bullets in his possesion when arrested.

> If the person who left the spent shell at the scene for Davis to find,
> had left a Winchester Western shell in stead of a Reminton Peters
> shell there would be no controversy....   But alas, the best laid
> plans often go astray, when criminals do the planning.
>

Of when retards think they are criminal investigators.

[wgroom]

> > wg- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Flat would appear to me as blocked or ..flat across. Anyway...much
different from tapered. Some good dialogue is that of Cliff Shasteen
'Oswald's' barber.

wg

[wgroom]

They could have but the only alleged time was a 1:18 call-in and a one
minute arrival. Sgt. Croy was the first officer to arrive as he was
driving in the vicinity. I believe he said the ambulance was leaving
as he arrived...

http://www.ctka.net/pr198-jfk.html

ambulance details about halfway down..

wg

[Walt]

On Dec 17, 11:43 am, bigdog <jecorbett1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 17, 11:07 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 16, 8:31 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > What about the OTHER two (non-Poe) shells, Walter?
>
> > > We know that V. Davis and B. Davis only saw ONE gunman dumping shells
> > > on the ground in their yard. Which means, naturally, that ALL of the
> > > shells that were later found on the Davis property were left there by
> > > Tippit's ONE killer. Which means, naturally, that even without the two
> > > Poe shells, Oswald's gun was the murder weapon.
>
> > > And no CTer with any brain cells is going to suggest that the Davis/
> > > Doughty and Davis/Dhority shells don't have a clear chain of custody.
>
> > Are you referring to the spent shell that was found several hours
> > after the shooting?   Surely your smart enough to know that this
> > particular shell might not have been there at the scene when the area
> > was throughly scoured for evidence.
>
> > Perhaps the fact that this shell was found after all police had left
> > the scene is a way of explaining why the bullets recovered from
> > Tippit's body don't match the spent shells in evidence.
>
> No, retard, the bullets couldn't be matched because they were
> undersized for the barrel creating inconsistent marks. Two
> consectutive test bullets fired from that gun couldn't be matched to
> each other. Oswald's gun had a .38 caliber barrel and he was firing .
> 38 specials. The .38 special has a true caliber of .357, so the
> bullets were .023 inches smaller in diameter than the bore.

Yes, Yer right...... when you say the bullets couldn't be traced to
Oswald's pistol. You don't know what your talking about when your
talking about the difference between a S&W .38 caliber cartridge and
a .38 Special cartridge but that's irrelevant, the important point is
you know hat there is NO PROOF that the bullets that killed Tippit
were fired from Oswald's pistol.

>
> > Three of the
> > four bullets removed from Tippit's body were manufactured by
> > Winchester Western, and the fourth bullet was manufactured by
> > Remington Peters.
>
> > The spent shells in evidence don't match those bullets, because two of
> > the spent shells were manufactured by Winchester Western and two were
> > manufactured by Remington Peters.
>
> The WC addressed that in a very logical manner. Rather than me repeat
> what they wrote, why don't you find it in the WCR. Since you probably
> don't have a copy, having apparently never read it, you can get read
> the entire report online for free. You might also find out that Oswald
> had both makes of bullets in his possesion when arrested.

Really???.... Oswald had both brands of cartridges in his pocket when
arrested?? Then why weren't those cartridges found when they
searched him in the car on the way to DPD headquarters after his
arrest?? The record shows that they didn't discover the cartridges
until about 4:30, which was a couple of hours after he was taken into
custody. Do you really believe he had those cartridges in his pocket
and the cops never found them???

>
> > If the person who left the spent shell at the scene for Davis to find,
> > had left a Winchester Western shell in stead of a Reminton Peters
> > shell there would be no controversy....   But alas, the best laid
> > plans often go astray, when criminals do the planning.
>

> Of when retards think they are criminal investigators.- Hide quoted text -

[Walt]

Benavides said that the back of the killer's head appeared to be FLAT
because of the way he had his hair cut. Benavides DID NOT say that it
was block cut. (squared off at the neckline)

 Anyway...much
> different from tapered.  Some good dialogue is that of Cliff  Shasteen
> 'Oswald's' barber.
>

[Walt]

Check the record..... Don't rely so heavily on "alledgely"........

[Walt]

As I recall one of the DPD officers was Gerald Hill. Hill heard a
citizen using a police radio reporting that and officer had been shot
in Oakcliff. He said that the time was about 1:06. he and another
officer took off in a patrol car for oakcliff. After the crossed the
viaduct they saw the ambulance carrying Tippit pass in front of their
patrol car.

Check out Hill's testimony.

[bigdog]

Are you denying that the true caliber of a .38 special is .357? Here's
your chance to demonstrate one more field you are totally ignorant
about. As for proof the bullets were fired by Oswald's revolver, while
the FBI could not say positively they were fired by Oswald's gun
because of the oversized barrel, they could say they showed the same
characteristics as those fired by that gun. Joseph Nicol of the IBCI
found that one of the bullets from Tippit's body could be positively
tied to Oswald's gun. But the real proof is that the shells which the
shooter dumped on the ground were positively matched to the gun Oswald
was carrying when arrested. Only a village idiot would not be able to
figure out that Oswald's gun was the one that was used to kill Tippit.
But then, look who I'm talking to.

>
>
> > > Three of the
> > > four bullets removed from Tippit's body were manufactured by
> > > Winchester Western, and the fourth bullet was manufactured by
> > > Remington Peters.
>
> > > The spent shells in evidence don't match those bullets, because two of
> > > the spent shells were manufactured by Winchester Western and two were
> > > manufactured by Remington Peters.
>
> > The WC addressed that in a very logical manner. Rather than me repeat
> > what they wrote, why don't you find it in the WCR. Since you probably
> > don't have a copy, having apparently never read it, you can get read
> > the entire report online for free. You might also find out that Oswald
> > had both makes of bullets in his possesion when arrested.
>
> Really???.... Oswald had both brands of cartridges in his pocket when
> arrested??

So in addition to your other mental deficiencies, you also suffer from
reading comprehension. I said Oswald had both brands in his
possession. I didn't say they were in his pocket, dumbass. He had
three of each make loaded in his revolver. The revolver was in his
possession. All the bullets in his pocket were Winchester-Westerns. Do
you really need me to draw a picture for you?

> Then why weren't those cartridges found when they
> searched him in the car on the way to DPD headquarters after his
> arrest??   The record shows that they didn't discover the cartridges
> until about 4:30, which was a couple of hours after he was taken into
> custody.   Do you really believe he had those cartridges in his pocket
> and the cops never found them???
>

You really need to get up to speed on the WCR, Waltards. Check it out
online. Take a look at Chapter IV and Appendix X. Or you can remain
stupid and ignorant on the subject.

>
>
>
>
> > > If the person who left the spent shell at the scene for Davis to find,
> > > had left a Winchester Western shell in stead of a Reminton Peters
> > > shell there would be no controversy....   But alas, the best laid
> > > plans often go astray, when criminals do the planning.
>
> > Of when retards think they are criminal investigators.- Hide quoted text -
>

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[Walt]

[Walt]

Actually.....I have at least four copies of the WR...... One is the
official WR as ptinted by The US Government printing office in 1964.
Another is a copy printed by Double day, another is a copy printed by
Mc Graw Hill and a couple of others..... So I don't need to go online
to know what's in the Warren Commission Fables.

[bigdog]

On Dec 17, 6:48 pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> Actually.....I have at least four copies of the WR......  One is the
> official WR as ptinted by The US Government printing office in 1964.
> Another is a copy printed by Double day, another is a copy printed by
> Mc Graw Hill and a couple of others.....  So I don't need to go online
> to know what's in the Warren Commission Fables.
>

You would think that with four copies, you would be able to find the
information about the bullets in one of them. You seem to be unaware
that Oswald's gun held 3 of each type of bullet, the same two types
recovered from Tippit's body. You seem to not understand why the
bullets couldn't be ballistically matched even though the WCR
explained it quite simply. And you seem to not be able to grasp the
very logical explaination the WC gave for the discrepancy between the
recovered bullets and the recovered shells. It's not like any of this
is rocket science but it all seems to have sailed right over your
head.

PS. Why the hell did you need four copies. You don't seem to know what
is in any of them.

[bigdog]

On Dec 17, 6:48 pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:

Did I miss your reply to whether you believed the true caliber of a .
38 special is actually ,357, or did you just conveniently dodge this
question?

[Walt]

Thank you for the opportunity......

The S&W .38 caliber was a smaller and less powerful cartridge than
the .38 Special. Although it was bigger in diameter it was shorter in
length

The S&W .38 caliber cartridge was larger in diameter than the .38
Special
Diameter of .38 S&W ..... .386" Diameter of .38 Special.... .
379"
Diameter of projectile .38 S&W... .359" Diameter of projectile .38
Special.... .357"
Case length of .38 S&W ... 0.78" Case length of .38 Special ...
1.155"
Cartridge length of .38 S&W ... .1.20"

It should be readily apparent to even a moron like yourself that to
fire the .38 special cartridge in the .38 S&W the cylinder had to be
bored out to accept the longer .38 special cartridge.

[Walt]

On Dec 17, 6:02 pm, bigdog <jecorbett1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 17, 6:48 pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> > Actually.....I have at least four copies of the WR......  One is the
> > official WR as ptinted by The US Government printing office in 1964.
> > Another is a copy printed by Double day, another is a copy printed by
> > Mc Graw Hill and a couple of others.....  So I don't need to go online
> > to know what's in the Warren Commission Fables.
>
> You would think that with four copies, you would be able to find the
> information about the bullets in one of them. You seem to be unaware
> that Oswald's gun held 3 of each type of bullet,

Were you there??..... You're taking the word of the authorities. I
don't accept the word of the authorities because I know beyond a
shadow of doubt that they lied and framed Oswald. You could know this
is true if you'd get your head out of your ass and open your eyes.

the same two types
> recovered from Tippit's body. You seem to not understand why the
> bullets couldn't be ballistically matched even though the WCR
> explained it quite simply. And you seem to not be able to grasp the
> very logical explaination the WC gave for the discrepancy between the
> recovered bullets and the recovered shells. It's not like any of this
> is rocket science but it all seems to have sailed right over your
> head.
>
> PS. Why the hell did you need four copies. You don't seem to know what
> is in any of them.

The Warren Commissioners understood very early in their trek that they
had to be puppets for Lyndon Johnson and rubber stamp Hoover's
decree. In one of their first meeting they expressed the realization
that they were up against J.Edgar Hoover and they had no chance of
exposing him because to do so would jeopardize "national security".
Even if they succeeded in exposing Hoover they would run the risk of
causing the American people to lose faith in the government and
perhaps cause rioting throughout the country. They decided the safest
course of action was to allow LBJ and Hoover to get away with murder.

[Ben Holmes]

In article <8d834f92-968e-4168...@v29g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
Walt says...
>
>On Dec 17, 6:02=A0pm, bigdog <jecorbett1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 17, 6:48=A0pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Actually.....I have at least four copies of the WR...... =A0One is the

>> > official WR as ptinted by The US Government printing office in 1964.
>> > Another is a copy printed by Double day, another is a copy printed by

>> > Mc Graw Hill and a couple of others..... =A0So I don't need to go onlin=

Amusingly, not even all the Warren Commissioners believed the fable that they
foisted on us.


--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ben Holmes
Learn to Make Money with a Website - http://www.burningknife.com

[Walt]

On Dec 17, 8:34 pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
> In article <8d834f92-968e-4168-b942-cc1e06fc4...@v29g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,

Not so amusing......At least I'm not laughing. The gutless bastards
betrayed us and used millions of our tax dollars to create a lie to be
dumped on us.....When some of us protest they just laugh and give us
the finger.



>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Ben Holmes
> Learn to Make Money with a Website -http://www.burningknife.com- Hide quoted text -

[Ben Holmes]

In article <218d42e7-00a4-498e...@y18g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>,
Walt says...
>
>On Dec 17, 8:34=A0pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> In article <8d834f92-968e-4168-b942-cc1e06fc4...@v29g2000yqv.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>> Walt says...
>>
>> >On Dec 17, 6:02=3DA0pm, bigdog <jecorbett1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> On Dec 17, 6:48=3DA0pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> > Actually.....I have at least four copies of the WR...... =3DA0One is=

> the
>> >> > official WR as ptinted by The US Government printing office in 1964.

>> >> > Another is a copy printed by Double day, another is a copy printed b=
>y
>> >> > Mc Graw Hill and a couple of others..... =3DA0So I don't need to go =
>onlin=3D

>> >e
>> >> > to know what's in the Warren Commission Fables.
>>
>> >> You would think that with four copies, you would be able to find the
>> >> information about the bullets in one of them. You seem to be unaware
>> >> that Oswald's gun held 3 of each type of bullet,
>>
>> >Were you there??..... You're taking the word of the authorities. I
>> >don't accept the word of the authorities because I know beyond a

>> >shadow of doubt that they lied and framed Oswald. =A0You could know this

>> >is true if you'd get your head out of your ass and open your eyes.
>>
>> > the same two types
>> >> recovered from Tippit's body. You seem to not understand why the
>> >> bullets couldn't be ballistically matched even though the WCR
>> >> explained it quite simply. And you seem to not be able to grasp the
>> >> very logical explaination the WC gave for the discrepancy between the
>> >> recovered bullets and the recovered shells. It's not like any of this
>> >> is rocket science but it all seems to have sailed right over your
>> >> head.
>>
>> >> PS. Why the hell did you need four copies. You don't seem to know what
>> >> is in any of them.
>>
>> >The Warren Commissioners understood very early in their trek that they
>> >had to be puppets for Lyndon Johnson and rubber stamp Hoover's

>> >decree. =A0 In one of their first meeting they expressed the realization

>> >that they were up against J.Edgar Hoover and they had no chance of
>> >exposing him because to do so would jeopardize "national security".
>> >Even if they succeeded in exposing Hoover they would run the risk of
>> >causing the American people to lose faith in the government and

>> >perhaps cause rioting throughout the country. =A0They decided the safest

>> >course of action was to allow LBJ and Hoover to get away with murder.
>>
>> Amusingly, not even all the Warren Commissioners believed the fable
>> that they foisted on us.
>
>Not so amusing......At least I'm not laughing. The gutless bastards
>betrayed us and used millions of our tax dollars to create a lie to be
>dumped on us.....When some of us protest they just laugh and give us
>the finger.

I think it's funny... some of the very Commissioners whom the kooks believe...
didn't believe it themselves.

That particular fact says a lot about the kooks.

Which is why I find it so amusing!

[Walt]

On Dec 17, 10:32 pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
> In article <218d42e7-00a4-498e-a4e7-0d1f36ecd...@y18g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>,

Actually Ben, I don't believe any of the members of LBJ's Warren
Commission believed Oswald was the lone assassin. ALL of them knew
that they were merely rubber stamping Hoover's decree and creating a
lie to feed the public. Most of them thought that they were doing the
right thing, by hiding the truth from the citizens, but a couple of
them were wise enough to know that they were making a big mistake that
would eventually erode the trust that is the very cornerstone of our
government. Without a doubt the majority of the adult population of
the US no longer trusts Washington DC. After WWII the vast majority
trusted the government..... After the murder of JFK that started
changing until today the vast majority does not trust the government.

>
> That particular fact says a lot about the kooks.
>
> Which is why I find it so amusing!
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Ben Holmes

[Ben Holmes]

In article <d39a04ce-c22a-4e0d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Walt says...
>
>On Dec 17, 10:32=A0pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> In article <218d42e7-00a4-498e-a4e7-0d1f36ecd...@y18g2000yqy.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>> Walt says...
>>
>> >On Dec 17, 8:34=3DA0pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> >> In article <8d834f92-968e-4168-b942-cc1e06fc4...@v29g2000yqv.googlegro=
>ups=3D
>> >.com>,
>> >> Walt says...
>>
>> >> >On Dec 17, 6:02=3D3DA0pm, bigdog <jecorbett1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On Dec 17, 6:48=3D3DA0pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > Actually.....I have at least four copies of the WR...... =3D3DA0O=
>ne is=3D
>> > the
>> >> >> > official WR as ptinted by The US Government printing office in 19=
>64.
>> >> >> > Another is a copy printed by Double day, another is a copy printe=
>d b=3D
>> >y
>> >> >> > Mc Graw Hill and a couple of others..... =3D3DA0So I don't need t=
>o go =3D
>> >onlin=3D3D

>> >> >e
>> >> >> > to know what's in the Warren Commission Fables.
>>

>> >> >> You would think that with four copies, you would be able to find th=
>e
>> >> >> information about the bullets in one of them. You seem to be unawar=

>e
>> >> >> that Oswald's gun held 3 of each type of bullet,
>>
>> >> >Were you there??..... You're taking the word of the authorities. I
>> >> >don't accept the word of the authorities because I know beyond a

>> >> >shadow of doubt that they lied and framed Oswald. =3DA0You could know=

> this
>> >> >is true if you'd get your head out of your ass and open your eyes.
>>
>> >> > the same two types
>> >> >> recovered from Tippit's body. You seem to not understand why the
>> >> >> bullets couldn't be ballistically matched even though the WCR
>> >> >> explained it quite simply. And you seem to not be able to grasp the

>> >> >> very logical explaination the WC gave for the discrepancy between t=
>he
>> >> >> recovered bullets and the recovered shells. It's not like any of th=

>is
>> >> >> is rocket science but it all seems to have sailed right over your
>> >> >> head.
>>

>> >> >> PS. Why the hell did you need four copies. You don't seem to know w=

>hat
>> >> >> is in any of them.
>>

>> >> >The Warren Commissioners understood very early in their trek that the=

>y
>> >> >had to be puppets for Lyndon Johnson and rubber stamp Hoover's

>> >> >decree. =3DA0 In one of their first meeting they expressed the realiz=

>ation
>> >> >that they were up against J.Edgar Hoover and they had no chance of
>> >> >exposing him because to do so would jeopardize "national security".
>> >> >Even if they succeeded in exposing Hoover they would run the risk of
>> >> >causing the American people to lose faith in the government and

>> >> >perhaps cause rioting throughout the country. =3DA0They decided the s=

>afest
>> >> >course of action was to allow LBJ and Hoover to get away with murder.
>>
>> >> Amusingly, not even all the Warren Commissioners believed the fable
>> >> that they foisted on us.
>>

>> >Not so amusing......At least I'm not laughing. =A0 The gutless bastards

>> >betrayed us and used millions of our tax dollars to create a lie to be
>> >dumped on us.....When some of us protest they just laugh and give us
>> >the finger.
>>

>> I think it's funny... some of the very Commissioners whom the kooks belie=

>ve...
>> didn't believe it themselves.
>
>Actually Ben, I don't believe any of the members of LBJ's Warren
>Commission believed Oswald was the lone assassin.

Perhaps... but that assertion is a belief on your part, and the kooks could
legitimately argue a different point.


What they *CANNOT* argue is the *FACT* that a number of them publicly stated
that they didn't believe the SBT - and without the SBT, conspiracy is proven.

[Walt]

On Dec 18, 1:48 pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
> In article <d39a04ce-c22a-4e0d-baf7-1da3799c4...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,

No, It's not merely my opinion..... Do you remember when Waggoner
Carr secretly traveled to washington to talk to the Commissioners, and
he told them he had proof that Oswald had been working for the FBI at
the time JFK was murdered.

They understood the ramifications of that evidence and elected not to
challenge Hoover. They even said that Hoover wouldn't tell them the
truth and therefore they might as well go along with the story he had
invented.

>
> What they *CANNOT* argue is the *FACT* that a number of them publicly stated
> that they didn't believe the SBT - and without the SBT, conspiracy is proven.
>
>
>
>
>
> >ALL of them knew
> >that they were merely rubber stamping Hoover's decree and creating a
> >lie to feed the public.  Most of them thought that they were doing the
> >right thing, by hiding the truth from the citizens, but a couple of
> >them were wise enough to know that they were making a big mistake that
> >would eventually erode the trust that is the very cornerstone of our
> >government.  Without a doubt the majority of the adult population of
> >the US no longer trusts Washington DC.  After WWII the vast majority
> >trusted the government.....  After the murder of JFK that started
> >changing until today the vast majority does not trust the government.
>
> >> That particular fact says a lot about the kooks.
>
> >> Which is why I find it so amusing!
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Ben Holmes

> Learn to Make Money with a Website -http://www.burningknife.com- Hide quoted text -
>

> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[bigdog]

On Dec 17, 8:06 pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
> On Dec 17, 6:02 pm, bigdog <jecorbett1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 17, 6:48 pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> > > Actually.....I have at least four copies of the WR......  One is the
> > > official WR as ptinted by The US Government printing office in 1964.
> > > Another is a copy printed by Double day, another is a copy printed by
> > > Mc Graw Hill and a couple of others.....  So I don't need to go online
> > > to know what's in the Warren Commission Fables.
>
> > You would think that with four copies, you would be able to find the
> > information about the bullets in one of them. You seem to be unaware
> > that Oswald's gun held 3 of each type of bullet,
>
> Were you there??..... You're taking the word of the authorities.

As opposed to you who dreams up stupid things to say based on nothing
but the shit that flows from that disfunctional brain you are burdened
with.

> I
> don't accept the word of the authorities because I know beyond a
> shadow of doubt that they lied and framed Oswald.

You don't know shit. You're just a dumbfuck who thinks he's smart.
It's hard to believe one human being could be so fucking stupid.

> You could know this
> is true if you'd get your head out of your ass and open your eyes.
>

I know that just about anything you claim is completely fucked up.

>  the same two types
>
> > recovered from Tippit's body. You seem to not understand why the
> > bullets couldn't be ballistically matched even though the WCR
> > explained it quite simply. And you seem to not be able to grasp the
> > very logical explaination the WC gave for the discrepancy between the
> > recovered bullets and the recovered shells. It's not like any of this
> > is rocket science but it all seems to have sailed right over your
> > head.
>
> > PS. Why the hell did you need four copies. You don't seem to know what
> > is in any of them.
>
> The Warren Commissioners understood very early in their trek that they
> had to be puppets for Lyndon Johnson and rubber stamp Hoover's
> decree.

Another fine example of one of your fantasies completely unsupported
by real evidence. .

> In one of their first meeting they expressed the realization
> that they were up against J.Edgar Hoover and they had no chance of
> exposing him because to do so would jeopardize "national security".

And you know this how? Were you at that meeting? Or did you just dream
this shit up because it sounds good to you? I know which one I am
betting on.

> Even if they succeeded in exposing Hoover they would run the risk of
> causing the American people to lose faith in the government and
> perhaps cause rioting throughout the country.

Good thing they did that or people might have a very low opinion of
the government now and they might start rioting. Wait a minute....

You get funnier as your brain gets fuzzier.

> They decided the safest
> course of action was to allow LBJ and Hoover to get away with murder.

Stop it. You're killing me.

[Walt]

So What!..... You're brain dead already.

[Jason Burke]

On 12/18/2011 4:02 PM, bigdog wrote:
> On Dec 17, 8:06 pm, Walt<papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>> On Dec 17, 6:02 pm, bigdog<jecorbett1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 17, 6:48 pm, Walt<papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Actually.....I have at least four copies of the WR...... One is the
>>>> official WR as ptinted by The US Government printing office in 1964.
>>>> Another is a copy printed by Double day, another is a copy printed by
>>>> Mc Graw Hill and a couple of others..... So I don't need to go online
>>>> to know what's in the Warren Commission Fables.
>>
>>> You would think that with four copies, you would be able to find the
>>> information about the bullets in one of them. You seem to be unaware
>>> that Oswald's gun held 3 of each type of bullet,
>>
>> Were you there??..... You're taking the word of the authorities.
>

Say, Wally Make sure to lok under your bed every night - there might be
some FBI or CIA dudes hanging out there.

> As opposed to you who dreams up stupid things to say based on nothing
> but the shit that flows from that disfunctional brain you are burdened
> with.
>
>> I
>> don't accept the word of the authorities because I know beyond a
>> shadow of doubt that they lied and framed Oswald.
>
> You don't know shit. You're just a dumbfuck who thinks he's smart.
> It's hard to believe one human being could be so fucking stupid.
>

Actually, it's not. Most of the CTs probably can't even tie their shoes
without help.

>> You could know this
>> is true if you'd get your head out of your ass and open your eyes.
>>
> I know that just about anything you claim is completely fucked up.
>

Just about? This disphit couldn't even focus his eyes without help from
his mommy.

>> the same two types
>>
>>> recovered from Tippit's body. You seem to not understand why the
>>> bullets couldn't be ballistically matched even though the WCR
>>> explained it quite simply. And you seem to not be able to grasp the
>>> very logical explaination the WC gave for the discrepancy between the
>>> recovered bullets and the recovered shells. It's not like any of this
>>> is rocket science but it all seems to have sailed right over your
>>> head.
>>
>>> PS. Why the hell did you need four copies. You don't seem to know what
>>> is in any of them.
>>
>> The Warren Commissioners understood very early in their trek that they
>> had to be puppets for Lyndon Johnson and rubber stamp Hoover's
>> decree.
>
> Another fine example of one of your fantasies completely unsupported
> by real evidence. .

Gee, maybe we should buy him a blow up doll. That way at least ONE of
his fantasies would come true.

>
>> In one of their first meeting they expressed the realization
>> that they were up against J.Edgar Hoover and they had no chance of
>> exposing him because to do so would jeopardize "national security".
>
> And you know this how? Were you at that meeting? Or did you just dream
> this shit up because it sounds good to you? I know which one I am
> betting on.
>
>> Even if they succeeded in exposing Hoover they would run the risk of
>> causing the American people to lose faith in the government and
>> perhaps cause rioting throughout the country.
>
> Good thing they did that or people might have a very low opinion of
> the government now and they might start rioting. Wait a minute....
>
> You get funnier as your brain gets fuzzier.

Assuming his brain is actually working. A BIG assumption.

>
>> They decided the safest
>> course of action was to allow LBJ and Hoover to get away with murder.
>
> Stop it. You're killing me.
>

Ya think?!

[Jason Burke]

GREAT comeback, Wally! Does your mommy change your sheets in that
basement hovel? Or are you too embarrassed to have her go down there?

[Walt]

The fact that you can only reply with ad hominem attacks reveals that
you're also brain dead. Your getting your ass kicked and your only
recourse is weak ad hominem......Pathetic!


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[Jason Burke]

At least you've admitted you're brain dead.

The fact that you have absolutely no evidence of ANYTHING is hilarious!

Once again I ask: Does your mommy change your sheets in that basement

hovel? Or are you too embarrassed to have her go down there?

I think we all know the answer...

[bigdog]

Actually, that is one of your more articulate replies. Right up there
with "Oh yeah" and "So are you".