Mary Bledsoe's ride
Walt
Mary Bledsoe the elderly woman who had rented a room in her home to
Oswald for a week in early October was a key witness in the Warren
Commission's speculation of how Oswald got from downtown Dallas to the
theater in Oakcliff.
I believe Mrs Bledsoe was a "busybody" who made up stories as many
elderly people do. She claimed that she saw Oswald board the bus
that she was on just minutes after the shooting. But in her
testimony before the Warren Commission she said this:.....
Quote....."Oh, it was awful in the city, and then they had roped off
that around where the President was killed, shot, and we were the
first car that come around there, and then all of us were talking
about the man, and we were looking up to see where he was shot and
looking---and then they had one man and taking him already got him in
jail, and we got----"Well, I am glad they found him.".....unquote
The Warren Commission claimed that Oswald had boarded a Bus driven by
Cecil McWatters at about 12:35 /12:40 and they used Mary Bledsoe's
testimony as verification for their theory. The problem is:....
It's would appear that Mary Bledsoe was on a later bus and NOT the
12:30 bus, because she describes seeing things at the intersection of
Houston and Elm streets that weren't there at 12:45 that day. She
said that she saw the barricade tape (" they had roped off that
around where the President was killed "), but the police barricade
tape was not erected until 1:00pm. She also described the area in
front of the TSBD as ... " that around where the President was
killed"... But at 12:45 there was no known location for the "crime
scene", at 12:45 the area in front of the TSBD was a mad house of
people and cops. So she couldn't have known "where the President was
killed"
Bledsoe also seems to be describing the arrest of a suspect when she
said...." and then they had one man and taking him already got him in
jail"....
She may have seen the cops put someone in a police car and assumed
that she had seen the arrest of a suspect. She may have seen the cops
with Danny Arce, or Bonnie Ray Williams or some other person and
assumed that they were taking them to jail.
Just this one slip of the tongue by Mary Bledsoe has always caused me
to doubt that she saw Oswald on the bus.
Bud
> Mary Bledsoe the elderly woman who had rented a room in her home to
> Oswald for a week in early October was a key witness in the Warren
> Commission's speculation of how Oswald got from downtown Dallas to the
> theater in Oakcliff.
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> I believe Mrs Bledsoe was a "busybody" who made up stories as many
> elderly people do.
You`re elderly, aren`t you, Walt?
Then she couldn`t see the hole in the elbow of Oz`s shirt, the one
you use to make the case that Oswald changed his shirt at the
boardinghouse.
Walt
You're correct.... "IF" Mrs Bledsoe was on a later bus then of course
she couldn't have known any specifics about the clothes that Oswald
was wearing when he left the TSBD. I've known about the problems
created by Mrs Bledsoe's testimony.... and I decided to use the
official scenario simply as a matter of convience ( What's the
alternative?) ..... Was it really Oswald that ran down the embankment
and climbed into the Rambler?? I don't think so...but who knows??
You may have noticed that Mrs Bledsoe said that she saw ....
"they had one man and taking him already got him in jail"....
----"Well, I am glad they found him."
Does this sound like she's talking about Oswald??......
Of course not.... She saw somebody that she assumed was under arrest .
and it couldn't have been Oswald. Several months later when she
testified before the Warren Commission she should have known that her
former tenent was the accused assassin, and her response should have
been something like " I heard they had arrested Oswald and I'm glad
they got him", but It sounds like she didn't think Oswald was the
culprit.
So the 64 dollar question is..... Do we now throw out all of Mary
Bledsoe's testimony?? and chalk her story up to the ranting of a old
gossip??
The Warren commission jumped on her story as a way of weaving a
plausible story about how Oswald got from the TSBD to the theater, but
how sound is their theory??
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Ben Holmes
Walt says...
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>On 16 Jun, 19:45, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
>> On Jun 16, 9:45 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
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>> > Mary Bledsoe the elderly woman who had rented a room in her home to
>> > Oswald for a week in early October was a key witness in the Warren
>> > Commission's speculation of how Oswald got from downtown Dallas to the
>> > theater in Oakcliff.
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>> > I believe Mrs Bledsoe was a "busybody" who made up stories as many
>> > elderly people do.
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>> > She claimed that she saw Oswald board the bus
>> > testimony before the Warren Commission she said this:.....
>>
>> > Quote....."Oh, it was awful in the city, and then they had roped off
>> > that around where the President was killed, shot, and we were the
>> > first car that come around there, and then all of us were talking
>> > about the man, and we were looking up to see where he was shot and
>> > looking---and then they had one man and taking him already got him in
>> > jail, and we got----"Well, I am glad they found him.".....unquote
>>
>> > The Warren Commission claimed that Oswald had boarded a Bus driven by
>> > Cecil McWatters at about 12:35 /12:40 and they used Mary Bledsoe's
>> > It's would appear that Mary Bledsoe was on a later bus and NOT the
>> > 12:30 bus, because she describes seeing things at the intersection of
>> > said that she saw the barricade tape (" =A0they had roped off that
>> > around where the President was killed "), but the police barricade
>> > front of the TSBD as ... " that around where the President was
>> > killed"... But at 12:45 there was no known location for the "crime
>> > scene", at 12:45 the area in front of the TSBD was a mad house of
>> > people and cops. So she couldn't have known "where the President was
>> > killed"
>> > Bledsoe also seems to be describing the arrest of a suspect when she
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>> > jail"....
>> > She may have seen the cops put someone in a police car and assumed
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>> > with Danny Arce, or Bonnie Ray Williams or some other person =A0and
>> > assumed that they were taking them to jail.
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>> > Just this one slip of the tongue by Mary Bledsoe has always caused me
>> > to doubt that she saw Oswald on the bus.
>>
Isn't it fascinating to note that the more important the eyewitness to the WCR,
the less credible they usually are?
This is one *strange* case...
David Von Pein
>>> "Isn't it fascinating to note that the more important the eyewitness to the WCR, the less credible they usually are? This is one *strange* case." <<<
As if Mary Bledsoe's testimony, in the long run, makes a lick of
difference in proving that Lee Oswald shot the President in Dealey
Plaza.
Ben is one *strange* kook.
Walt
You've got it wrong again Pea Brain...as usual.... The Warren
Commission placed great weight on Bledsoe's testimony, and they did
so because they needed her testimony to weave the false tapestry of
guilt against Oswald.
If you'd have been a member of Johnson's "Blue Ribbon Committee" 45
years ago and made a statement like " As if Mary Bledsoe's testimony,
in the long run, makes a lick of difference in proving that Lee Oswald
shot the President in Dealey Plaza.".... Johnson would have had
Hoover's goons knocking on your door, and showing you photos of
yourself engaging in homosexual acts.......
Walt
Dud sneered..." Then she couldn`t see the hole in the elbow of Oz`s
shirt, the one you use to make the case that Oswald changed his shirt
at the
boardinghouse."
And his observation is correct..... However ...Mrs Bledsoe DID
identify the shirt with the hole in the elbow as the one she saw
Oswald wearing on the bus just minutes after the shooting. So IF she
wasn't on the 12:30 bus and could not have seen Oswald wearing that
shirt then how could she identify it?? She could identify it
because it was the shirt the FBI had brought to her house just a few
days after the assassination and displayed to her. ( She testified to
this fact ) So if it wasn't the shirt that Oswald was wearing when
he
left the TSBD why would the FBI display that shirt to Mary Bledsoe
and
ask her if it was the shirt that he was wearing on the bus??? She
specifically said the shirt with the large hole in the elbow was the
shirt the FBI had brought to her house. Which means they KNEW Oswald
had changed his shirt in his room at 1:00 pm. So it's immaterial if
Bledsoe was lying about seeing Oswald on McWatter's bus..... The FBI
verified by their action that the fibers that were found on the butt
of the rifle, that they said had come from his arrest shirt could not
have came from the shirt he was wearing when he left the TSBD.
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Bud
> In article <998a7f70-b225-4e17-894c-6d70522ef...@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
<snicker> You mean the more harmful to kook tales, the less credible
kooks think they are.
> This is one *strange* case...
In a lot of ways, it`s unique.
Bud
You were right about one thing, the elderly do seem to have a
tendency to make up stories.
Walt
> On Jun 17, 10:36 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
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> > On 16 Jun, 19:45,Bud<sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
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> > > On Jun 16, 9:45 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
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> > > > Oswald for a week in early October was a key witness in the Warren
> > > > Commission's speculation of how Oswald got from downtown Dallas to the
> > > > theater in Oakcliff.
>
> > > > elderly people do.
>
> > > You`re elderly, aren`t you, Walt?
>
> > > > She claimed that she saw Oswald board the bus
> > > > that she was on just minutes after the shooting. But in her
> > > > testimony before the Warren Commission she said this:.....
>
> > > > Quote....."Oh, it was awful in the city, and then they had roped off
> > > > that around where the President was killed, shot, and we were the
> > > > first car that come around there, and then all of us were talking
> > > > about the man, and we were looking up to see where he was shot and
> > > > looking---and then they had one man and taking him already got him in
> > > > jail, and we got----"Well, I am glad they found him.".....unquote
>
> > > > The Warren Commission claimed that Oswald had boarded a Bus driven by
> > > > testimony as verification for their theory. The problem is:....
> > > > 12:30 bus, because she describes seeing things at the intersection of
> > > > Houston and Elm streets that weren't there at 12:45 that day. She
> > > > said that she saw the barricade tape (" they had roped off that
> > > > around where the President was killed "), but the police barricade
> > > > tape was not erected until 1:00pm. She also described the area in
> > > > front of the TSBD as ... " that around where the President was
> > > > killed"... But at 12:45 there was no known location for the "crime
> > > > scene", at 12:45 the area in front of the TSBD was a mad house of
> > > > people and cops. So she couldn't have known "where the President was
> > > > killed"
> > > > said...." and then they had one man and taking him already got him in
> > > > jail"....
> > > > She may have seen the cops put someone in a police car and assumed
> > > > that she had seen the arrest of a suspect. She may have seen the cops
> > > > with Danny Arce, or Bonnie Ray Williams or some other person and
> > > > assumed that they were taking them to jail.
>
> > > > to doubt that she saw Oswald on the bus.
>
> > > Then she couldn`t see the hole in the elbow of Oz`s shirt, the one
> > > you use to make the case that Oswald changed his shirt at the
> > > boardinghouse.
>
> > Dud sneered..." Then she couldn`t see the hole in the elbow of Oz`s
> > shirt, the one you use to make the case that Oswald changed his shirt
> > at the
> > boardinghouse."
>
> > And his observation is correct..... However ...MrsBledsoeDID
> > identify the shirt with the hole in the elbow as the one she saw
> > Oswald wearing on the bus just minutes after the shooting. So IF she
> > wasn't on the 12:30 bus and could not have seen Oswald wearing that
> > shirt then how could she identify it?? She could identify it
> > because it was the shirt the FBI had brought to her house just a few
> > days after the assassination and displayed to her. ( She testified to
> > this fact ) So if it wasn't the shirt that Oswald was wearing when
> > he
> > left the TSBD why would the FBI display that shirt toMaryBledsoe
> > and
> > ask her if it was the shirt that he was wearing on the bus??? She
> > specifically said the shirt with the large hole in the elbow was the
> > shirt the FBI had brought to her house. Which means they KNEW Oswald
> > had changed his shirt in his room at 1:00 pm. So it's immaterial if
> > verified by their action that the fibers that were found on the butt
> > of the rifle, that they said had come from his arrest shirt could not
> > have came from the shirt he was wearing when he left the TSBD.
>
> You were right about one thing, the elderly do seem to have a
> tendency to make up stories.
C'mon Dud..... You know that I'm right about many more things that
just one.
I know that you're a gutless liar........
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