A FEW MISC. OBSERVATIONS RE. THE TIPPIT MURDER AND CRIME SCENE
David Von Pein
"How in the world did two shells find their way from the {Davis' 10th-
St.} yard into the hands of the unknown person who handed them to Poe
without the sisters taking notice? Maybe he unloaded two times?"
DVP SAYS:
The "unknown person" (as you are incorrectly calling him) was
positively Domingo Benavides, who used a stick to place the first two
shells recovered into a Winston cigarette package, and then he handed
them over to Officer Poe.
Plus: This was done many minutes AFTER the actual shooting (obviously)
-- so WHY do you think that the Davis girls would have HAD to see
Domingo recovering these shells? Were they supposedly GLUED to their
front stoop all day on November 22nd?
Also -- You must think that Domingo Benavides (or the person you claim
is "unknown" to this day) is a "co-conspirator" then, correct?
Because in order to believe the chain of possession through Poe was
disturbed, you must believe that the "unknown person" (who was, of
course, positively Benavides), who INITIALLY HANDLED THE SHELLS IN
QUESTION, must have "planted" them there near the Davis
house...correct?
Once again, the common CT belief of "IF SOMEBODY *COULD* BE A SHADY
CHARACTER, THEY *MUST* BE SHADY" rears its ugly head.
But if Benavides (who found the shells in the first place) was trying
to "Frame the patsy Oswald" by handing over fake shells of some type
-- please tell me, then, WHY THIS VERY SAME MR. BENAVIDES WAS THE
*ONE* SHOOTING WITNESS WHO *DIDN'T* MAKE A 100% POSITIVE ID'ing OF
OSWALD WHEN HE COULD HAVE VERY WELL DONE SO?
Once again, via the CT arguments in the continuation of this thread,
we can see how UTTERLY DESPERATE it appears some theorists are to have
Oswald NOT GUILTY of a murder that he unquestionably committed (beyond
ALL doubt).
And it still strikes me as hilariously-inane as to WHY these CTers
want to exonerate Oswald of the Tippit murder -- because they can
STILL bark out "conspiracy" if they desire (and they do) even if
Oswald did kill the police officer.
I'm flabbergasted by the lack of CS&L re. the CT view toward the
Tippit crime. How much overwhelming evidence is necessary for the CT
crowd? 50 witnesses? 100? Plus Tippit's blood and DNA all over LHO's
hands too? Probably STILL wouldn't be enough. The hard-line CTer would
still say Oswald was framed, and that (magically) Oswald and Tippit
had IDENTICAL DNA STRANDS, and therefore it must have been Oswald's
OWN blood (when he accidentally scratched himself on the zipper of his
jacket that he removed and discarded for no good reason at all if he
DIDN'T kill Tippit).
BTW -- Re. the "jacket" thing. If Oswald's INNOCENT of killing Tippit,
then a question a CTer needs to ask is -- Why does Oswald needlessly
toss away the ONE THING THAT'S MAKING HIDING THE REVOLVER MUCH, MUCH
EASIER -- HIS JACKET?
If he's got no reason to want to suddenly "alter" his appearance while
on the run from police, WHY wouldn't he want to KEEP HIS JACKET ON AND
CONTINUE TO USE IT AS A BETTER "GUN-HIDING" DEVICE?
In short, there's not a single solitary VALID reason in the world to
believe that Lee Harvey Oswald is innocent of killing J.D. Tippit. The
CTers who continue the farcical belief that he IS innocent, have lost
virtually ALL of their "rational thinking" credibility, IMO.
David Von Pein
"Maybe {Oswald} didn't have the gun at all?"
DVP SAYS:
So -- Therefore, by this logic, Oswald DOESN'T have his gun on him
when he's walking the Oak Cliff streets between 1:04 PM and 1:45 PM
(approx.) -- but he DOES have the gun on him when he's arrested just
minutes later in the theater. Correct?
So, that means we've got a "co-conspirator" INSIDE THE MOVIE THEATER,
who gave Oswald the revolver AFTER Lee entered the Van Heflin double-
feature. (And, coincidentally, the gun given to Oswald just happened
to be Oswald's OWN gun, obtained by Oswald via mail-order from Los
Angeles' "Seaport Traders" in March 1963.) .... Is that about the size
of it?
Or: Did Mr. Burroughs at the theater concession stand have a sale on
"Revolvers" on November 22nd?
Or: Did Oswald "pre-arrange" this "meeting" with his own gun in the
theater, by stashing it under his seat PRIOR to November 22nd
sometime?
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A CTer SAYS:
"David, you give so much credit to LHO, so, why didn't he bring "his"
revolver to work knowing he would need it after killing JFK?"
DVP SAYS:
On this point, I can agree with the logic of your stance re. LHO and
his potential "need" for the revolver after 12:30. I wrote it in
another thread recently, and I'll say again here -- it's my own
opinion that Oswald simply forgot to take the gun with him prior to
making his trip to Irving on Thursday.
Although ---
Another possibility could be that Oswald knew he would have to TWICE
take his revolver into work if he were to have taken it to work on
Thursday. Because I believe I'm correct in stating that Oswald didn't
go home at all (to Beckley Ave.) on Thursday after going to work that
morning.
So, in such a scenario, Oswald would have had to take his revolver
into the TSBD on Thursday morning, November 21 (or leave it in
Frazier's car all day, which would have required a semi-lengthy four-
block walk to and from Frazier's normal parking spot in the distant
Depository parking area near the railroad yards) -- then take it to
Ruth Paine's house on Thursday night after work -- then haul it back
to the TSBD on Friday morning.
Now, he COULD have done all that, sure. But, perhaps, he didn't want
to run the risk of being seen all those EXTRA times carrying around
the gun.
Anyway, the way he retrieved his revolver on 11/22 is just one more
small indication (IMO) that Oswald was certainly a SOLO ACT on Friday,
November 22nd in Dealey Plaza.
His LACK of "arsenal preparation" also reeks of a quick, poorly-
thought-out, almost-last-minute effort to shoot the President.
David Von Pein
Other than the ironclad FACT that he (Lee Harvey Oswald) WAS there at
the Tippit killing site and murdered Officer Tippit with his own .38
revolver ("validated grounds" for LHO's being at 10th & Patton or
not).
Once again (and as per usual), here we have a CTer totally ignoring
the SUM TOTAL of evidence that undeniably leads to Lee Oswald's guilt
(in this instance, the Tippit murder).
A CTer will completely dismiss the totality of "IT WAS OSWALD"
evidence and focus, instead, on the silliness of the "validated
grounds" for Mr. Oswald to be where he was at 1:14-1:15 PM on November
22, 1963.
Good grief.
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J.D. TIPPIT'S MURDER AND OSWALD'S HILARIOUS/GOOFY DEFENSE:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4d1790303e6fcc19
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