William Harvey
Martin Shackelford
By Bayard Stockton (ex-CIA officer, Harvey protégé and friend)
p. 133: Sam Halpern: "Bill.felt strongly the Kennedys should not be in
charge."
p. 141: Harvey lost his position as head of Task Force W due to a verbal
explosion against the Kennedys-to their face. He felt that he was treated
unfairly, and that the Kennedys were politicizing the CIA.
p. 162: Stockton is unable to rule out the possible involvement of QJWIN in
the JFK assassination. That, in itself indicates that he doubts the official
version.
p. 170: "ZRRIFLE 'was truly a vest-pocket operation,' says Sam Halpern.Bill
wanted to be the only person who could answer questions, should they arise.
He had no assistants on ZRRIFLE, and his closest, and apparently sole,
confidant was, as it turned out, [Johnny] Rosselli."
Stockton feels that Rosselli was able to hold something over Harvey, even
speculates that Rosselli had somehow involved Harvey in "a murder contract."
Rosselli's death came only "a couple of months" after Harvey's.
Rosselli was also close to another CIA case officer, Dave Morales of the
JMWAVE station.
p. 171: "Earlier assignments had earned Dave a reputation as a man capable
of violence."
p. 175: Rosselli went to the Dominican Republic with Howard Hunt in March
1961. The DR dictator, Rafael Trujillo, was assassinated on May 30, 1961,
with weapons that had been supplied by the CIA.
p. 336, Note 13: "Sheffield Edwards returned from that meeting and wrote a
memo for the record that 'Mr. Harvey called me and indicated he was dropping
any plans for the use of Subject (Rosselli) for the future.' The memo 'was
not true,' Harvey later commented, 'and Colonel Edwards knew it was not
true.' But then, as General Carter, the Agency's deputy director once said,
'Memorandums for the record have very little validity in fact.' " Something
useful to remember when evaluating CIA "documentation."
p. 178: Dave Morales gave Rosselli "a crash course in intelligence
tradecraft." Among Rosselli's drinking buddies were Morales, Harvey and
p. 179: Rip Robertson, who had participated in the Bay of Pigs landing.
Rosselli was personally cleared by Richard Helms, and "covered as a colonel
in the army." This confirms Bradley Ayers account of seeing "Col. Rosselli"
at the training camps in "a bird colonel's uniform." Stockton suggests that
was the only place Rosselli was allowed to wear the uniform.
p. 188. Both Rosselli and Harvey had, at various times, reputations as
ladies' men. Both were involved in the ZRRIFLE plots against Castro. They
had a "shared dislike of Bobby Kennedy, a dislike that tarnished the
president because Jack backed Bobby."
'Harvey almost certainly felt he had, in blunt terms, been screwed." It was
during this period that Rosselli was able to "gain control over the CIA
officer."
p. 189: By 1966 at the latest, "Rosselli assumed the upper hand."
pp. 195-196: Gus Russo described Rosselli as "a former bootlegger in the Joe
Kennedy crew." And "after that he was a mob deal-maker."
p. 197: After the CIA dropped Rosselli, "contact between the two continued,
even flourished." [Harvey and Rosselli] In April 1963, Harvey met with
Rosselli and a third person. Stockton believes that person was Harold
Meltzer, based on a note in Harvey's ZRRIFLE files. "Meltzer was a longtime
collaborator and sometime shooter for Rosselli."
p. 209: When Harvey was told about the JFK assassination, he responded "This
was bound to happen, and it's probably good that it did." When he learned
that his deputy was helping local officials with condolences, he got rid of
the deputy, telling him "I haven't got time for this kind of crap." This was
the same response that Jimmy Hoffa made to the events. Harvey later told his
former deputy that "no one will ever know who shot JFK!" Harvey indicated
that the Mob had done it.
p. 218: George Joannides, case officer for the DRE who later manipulated the
House Select Committee on Assassinations, worked under Harvey in Task Force
W. When Joannides was given a post in Greece in April 1964, he was given a
performance rating of "exemplary." He later worked for Harvey protégé
Theodore Shackley in Saigon. Recently, the CIA insisted that it has made
public "all known records" about Joannides that are relevant to the Kennedy
assassination story. Stockton adds that "this and previous statements were
false."
p. 222: At the time of the HSCA investigation, staffer Dan Hardaway saw
"Sheffield Edwards's debriefing of Johnny Rosselli. It was two inches
thick.whole pages were blanked out.not blackened as they usually are.
Blanked." Later, HSCA asked for a copy, but "We never got that version. When
we finally got it, it had been totally retyped." When Stockton asked through
FOIA for a copy of the debriefing report, he was told that "a search of the
files had failed to reveal any such document. Perhaps, indeed, by 2003, the
interrogation no longer existed." Hardaway wrote a memo on Harvey, which was
kept in the secure documents room. That memo also no longer exists.
p. 233: At a session of the HSCA, David Atlee Phillips admitted that he had
lied. Chairman Stokes called a break for lunch, and Phillips wasn't called
back for further testimony.
p. 226: According to Joe Shimon, a Rosselli intimate, in an interview with
Anthony Summers, "Harvey was sure Trafficante had JFK killed." This was the
same conclusion reached by Lamar Waldron.
p. 229: Although David Phillips worked under Harvey closely, "Phillips does
not even mention Harvey by name in his memoir." Sam Halpern said Phillips
never talked about any contact between himself and Harvey.
p. 339, Note 39: "Phillips not only fails to mention Harvey in his memoir,
he also doesn't mention any operations involving New Orleans," though he
talks about Mexico City and Lee Harvey Oswald. Witnesses have placed
Phillips in New Orleans meeting with Guy Banister, and the New Orleans DRE
were under Phillips' colleague George Joannides, also not mentioned in the
memoir.
p. 259: Rosselli later told CIA officer Jim O'Connell, Harvey's predecessor
as Rosselli's handler, that he didn't need Harvey's help in his prosecution.
"He has many other people who are obligated to him that can help him. He
implied that some are well-placed in the new [Nixon] administration."
p. 262: In a resume around 1971, Harvey mentioned supervising "military
personnel, scientists and specialist."
p. 269: Harvey told his old FBI friend Dennis Flinn, regarding his Church
Committee testimony, "They didn't ask the right questions."
p. 298: He had nicknames, in his marginal notes on the Church Committee
report, for various CIA personnel. Allen Dulles was "Fearless Fosdick," Jake
Esterline was "Jake the Fake," and Richard Helms was "the Boy Diplomat."
p. 304: In a letter to his old friend James Angleton (who has often been
falsely pictured as opposed to Harvey), Harvey wrote of the Church Committee
investigation: "The actions of the concerned elements of The Congress, in my
opinion, at least, fall four-square within the Cromwellian if not the
constitutional definition of treason." Was this also his feeling about the
Kennedys
Gil Jesus
Harvey:
"In 1959, he was one of three CIA agents overseeing a program
involving defectors to the Soviet Union, of which Lee Harvey Oswald
was a part."
This really opened my eyes.
tomnln
"Gil Jesus" <gjj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I'll try to post it tonight.
lazu...@webtv.net
Harvey was the mastermind & though Hunt doesn't mention his friendship
with Rosselli, who likely brought in the mob contacts...
YoHarvey
Martin, I have a video in which the narrator states about William
Harvey:
"In 1959, he was one of three CIA agents overseeing a program
involving defectors to the Soviet Union, of which Lee Harvey Oswald
was a part."
This really opened my eyes.
Somebody with a .45 could leave them open permanently.
Where's a good assassin when one needs him?
YoHarvey
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh, another video. Well, that must make it
TRUE!!! Any confimation videos?????????????????????
tomnln
You're driving these Criminals CRAZY
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tomnln
Your wife tells me you've got so many enemies you sleep with a .45.
She says that's the hottest you ever got her.
ps;
You're outta scotch.
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tomnln
Your LIES are proven HERE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/baileynme.htm
ALL in your own words.
Here's another heart attack for you>>>
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/mexcity.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
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Martin Shackelford
Harvey's involvement in the false defector program, which seemed to be a
Naval Intelligence operation (ONI), not CIA, as all of the defectors were
Navy or Marine.
Stockton's book puts Harvey involved in other activities at that time, and
seems to be reliable.
Martin
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Martin Shackelford
Rosselli--the latter was definitely dominant by 1966, but knowledge of
Harvey's involvement in the assassination would have given him something to
hold over Harvey--unless he had something else.
Harvey was certainly an interesting character, and tended to keep things
close to the vest.
Martin
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Martin
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wrote:
> Incitement to murder is a new low here.
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> Martin
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And illegal. Don't worry, I'm making copies for my local police
department and his postings of my personal information, threats and
the like have all been sent to his ISP.
Gil Jesus
Cape Cod for the day and I'll try again to get it onto youtube tonight
instead.
Martin, I don't know where they got the information on Harvey being
involved in the defector program, it doesn't say. It's just something
the narrator says. It kinda took me back when I heard it.
I remember reading somewhere that the CIA's Tracy Barnes allegedly got
a message from "Harvey in Minsk".
Now I'm wondering if it could have been a message "FOR Harvey FROM
Minsk". If so, it becomes very interesting indeed.
At the time of this alleged message, Lee Harvey Oswald was in, of all
places, Minsk.
justm...@gmail.com
> On Aug 25, 2:43?am, "Martin Shackelford" <msha...@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
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> > Incitement to murder is a new low here.
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> > Martin
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> > "YoHarvey" <bailey...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > On Aug 24, 4:26 pm, lazuli...@webtv.net wrote:
> > >> Excellent post Martin- according to Howard Hunt's deathbed confession
> > >> with Rosselli, who likely brought in the mob contacts...
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> > > Martin, I have a video in which the narrator states about William
> > > Harvey:
>
> > > "In 1959, he was one of three CIA agents overseeing a program
> > > involving defectors to the Soviet Union, of which Lee Harvey Oswald
> > > was a part."
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> > > This really opened my eyes.
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> > > Somebody with a .45 could leave them open permanently.
> > > Where's a good assassin when one needs him?- Hide quoted text -
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> And illegal. Don't worry, I'm making copies for my local police
> department and his postings of my personal information, threats and
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> - Show quoted text -
And you're going to back this up with what Jesus? The fact that you
posted on this newsgroup stealing the identities of others and
incriminating an 11 year old child? Faking messages, using bogus email
addresses to access this newsgroup thru the news server you were on?
Using highly offensive vulgarity towards others? Stealing videos that
don't belong to you and claiming them as your own and posting them on
this newsgroup and youtube? Claiming someone posted your personal
information when you yourself have it posted on the net? Would you
like me to continue????
You haven't got a leg to stand on Jesus, if anyone commited illegal
acts you win the prize.
tomnln
You've already provided more than can be expected of you.
The proof is the Shi-Fit those videos have Thrown the LN's into.
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Martin Shackelford
have received such a message, but it is not likely that Harvey did.
Martin
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