OSWALD, TIPPIT, BREWER, POSTAL, AND THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT
David Von Pein
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CTer --- "The officers with guns drawn and are 100% certain he is the
assassin!"
DVP --- Wrong. The cops got a tip that TIPPIT'S possible killer went
in the theater. The theater was very near the TIPPIT murder scene,
remember.
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CTer --- "And the police were not organized enough to have found some
little guy all alone in the theater when all hell was breaking loose
downtown without a tipoff."
DVP --- They had a "tipoff"....ORDINARY CITIZENS Johnny Brewer and
Julia Postal provided the "tip" to the police.
What's so impossible about that?
Answer: Nothing.
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CTer --- "For this reason I think Oswald was a patsy and someone set
him up."
DVP --- That's because you failed to look up any of the witness
testimony and you haven't fact-checked anything before posting your
pro-CT comments.
And there's the (probable) fact that you, like so many others, love
Oliver Stone's movie and have fallen for every lie within it. That,
too, has skewed your thinking from the get-go. Stone's imagery is
powerful and can easily sway. Problem is -- it's non-factual imagery.
And that's a shame.
Just one example of Stone's "non-factual" assertions in the film.....
Oliver Stone portrays Lee Oswald's theater capture in a totally
"biased toward conspiracy" fashion, with Stone wanting his audience to
believe it was some great-big plot with the cops seemingly all having
an in-unison PREMONITION that Oswald was in the theater.
Nothing could be further from the truth. ...
1.) Oswald killed J.D. Tippit at approx. 1:14 PM.
2.) John Brewer spied Oswald acting "funny" several minutes later,
around 1:30 PM.
3.) Julia Postal called the police (based on Brewer's observations and
her own) just a few minutes after that.
4.) The police get word a suspect who is "running from them {the
police and the sirens} for some reason" (J. Postal) just after 1:30
PM.
5.) The police (already in the area looking for Tippit's killer, of
course) converge on the theater and nab Oswald at approx. 1:50 PM,
more than half-an-hour after Tippit was slain.
Nothing super-human or precognitive about it at all. But to hear Stone
tell it on the motion-picture screen, not a single cop had any idea
that Tippit's suspected killer was in that theater when many police
cars swarmed the theater at 1:45 to 1:50.
WHY are so many CTers so doggone eager and willing to jump on that
popular "Anybody Except Oswald" bandwagon?
~big shrug~
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2. Someone saw LHO sneak into the balcony of the theatre before 1:06
p.m.
3. The contradictions and coercions in the Tippitt shooting witnesses
would fill a book as big as the Dallas Yellow Pages.
Aaron Hirshberg
David Von Pein
spell Officer Tippit's name correctly.
Ben Holmes
aaronhi...@yahoo.com says...
No! No!
It would fill a book as big as Bugliosi's alleged tome...
Walt
Aaron ...here's an excerpt from DPD detective Bob Carroll's testimony.
Without a doubt Bob Carrol KNEW who he was looking for when he entered
the Texas theater.
Julia Postal had told him as he entered that the man was in the
balcony. At that point Carroll only had a very sketchy and vague,
description of Tippit's assailant. Basically all he knew was that
the assailant was a man about 20 or 25 years old. He hadn't been told
whether the man was White, Hispanic, or Black nor did he know how the
guy was dressed. And yet he took one look around the balconey and saw
several people there but KNEW immediately that the guy he was seeking
was not there.... How could he know that???
Mr. Carroll.
I didn't actually talk to her, sir, but when we went through the door,
she just more or less----she just made a statement that he was
upstairs, and as far as having any direct conversation with her, we
did not. She said upstairs and we immediately went up to the balcony.
All of the house lights were turned on.
Mr. Ball.
You and Lyons went in the front door then?
Mr. Carroll.
Yes, sir; and we went into the balcony and we had----or rather I had
satisfied myself with the fact that he wasn't in the balcony.
Mr. Ball.
Was there anyone in the balcony?
Mr. Carroll.
Well, there were people sitting around there.
Mr. Ball.
How did you satisfy yourself that he was in the balcony?
Mr. Carroll.
Well, we went in and had more or less a vague idea----well, the people
that I saw up in the balcony were either real young or older people
and so we stared back down----
Mr. Ball.
Had you had a description of the man you were looking for?
Mr. Carroll.
They gave me a vague one on the telephone when I called and checked
about the officer.
Mr. Ball.
Who are "they"?
Mr. Carroll.
Whoever was on duty at the dispatcher's office----I don't know who it
was at that time.
Mr. Ball.
What was the description that he gave you?
Mr. Carroll.
He just gave a general height description and age just generally.
Mr. Ball.
Tell me what he said.
Mr. Carroll.
I'm trying to recall now exactly----he gave the height and I can't
recall now exactly how he said it----it's been so long ago, and it was
all----I know he gave roughly, just a rough description. It wasn't a
detailed description at all, and I'm trying to remember now exactly
how he worded it.
Mr. Ball.
Can you give me the approximate ago around?
Mr. Carroll.
I believe he said he was between 20 or 25 or something, like that, I'm
not quite sure, because everything moved real fast and everything like
that.
Bob Carroll's actions are very much like the cops at the Library.....
There was a report of Tippi's assailant in the library, so the cops
rushed to the library and saw the man who the librarian thought was
acting suspictious. They immediately turned him loose and said "He's
not the guy" ....and went to the theater.
Walt
Walt
> BATTLING THE CTers RE. THE TIPPIT MURDER..........
>
> =============================================
>
> CTer --- "The officers with guns drawn and are 100% certain he is the
> assassin!"
>
> DVP --- Wrong. The cops got a tip that TIPPIT'S possible killer went
> in the theater. The theater was very near the TIPPIT murder scene,
> remember.
>
> ----------
>
> CTer --- "And the police were not organized enough to have found some
> little guy all alone in the theater when all hell was breaking loose
> downtown without a tipoff."
>
> DVP --- They had a "tipoff"....ORDINARY CITIZENS Johnny Brewer and
> Julia Postal provided the "tip" to the police.
>
> What's so impossible about that?
> Answer: Nothing.
>
> ----------
>
> CTer --- "For this reason I think Oswald was a patsy and someone set
> him up."
>
> DVP --- That's because you failed to look up any of the witness
> testimony and you haven't fact-checked anything before posting your
> pro-CT comments.
Hey Von Pea Brain.....It's you and Dr. Mac Dum Dum who have not
checked the facts. All you can do is regurgitate what the Warren
Commission sai.....You're like a brainless parrot who can regurgitate
what he hears, but don't have a clue what it means.
Now you're reduced to talking to yourself.....asking strawman
questions and then answering the question.
Do you know what a "kook" is??.....look in the mirror.
>
> And there's the (probable) fact that you, like so many others, love
> Oliver Stone's movie and have fallen for every lie within it. That,
> too, has skewed your thinking from the get-go. Stone's imagery is
> powerful and can easily sway. Problem is -- it's non-factual imagery.
> And that's a shame.
>
> Just one example of Stone's "non-factual" assertions in the film.....
>
> Oliver Stone portrays Lee Oswald's theater capture in a totally
> "biased toward conspiracy" fashion, with Stone wanting his audience to
> believe it was some great-big plot with the cops seemingly all having
> an in-unison PREMONITION that Oswald was in the theater.
>
> Nothing could be further from the truth. ...
>
> 1.) Oswald killed J.D. Tippit at approx. 1:14 PM.
Not according to Helen Markham and TF Bowley...
Tippit was shot BEFORE 1:10....Probably AFTER 1:05 but BEFORE 1:10
>
> 2.) John Brewer spied Oswald acting "funny" several minutes later,
> around 1:30 PM.
Brewer saw a MAN acting "funny" ....he didn't know Oswald so there is
no way he could know that the man was in fact Oswald.
>
> 3.) Julia Postal called the police (based on Brewer's observations and
> her own) just a few minutes after that.
Julia Postal never saw anybody enter the theater while she was
standing on the curb and watching where the police car went that had
passed the theater heade west on Jefferson. She accepted Brewer's
word that a man had entered without buying a ticket, while she was
focused on the police car.
>
> 4.) The police get word a suspect who is "running from them {the
> police and the sirens} for some reason" (J. Postal) just after 1:30
> PM.
>
> 5.) The police (already in the area looking for Tippit's killer, of
> course) converge on the theater and nab Oswald at approx. 1:50 PM,
> more than half-an-hour after Tippit was slain.
Tippit's killer was headed EAST on 10th street at the time he shot
Tippit, several minutes after the shooting a call came in that a
suspictious man was in the library which is EAST of Tenth and Patton.
The cops rushed to the library and found the young white man that the
Librarian had thought was acting suspictious, but immediately released
him, saying "he's not the right guy" Since there is no continuous
chain that Tippit's killer actually continued traveling WEST after he
disappeared behind the Texaco station, It's a giant leap to assume
that he was the same guy who entered the theater while Julia Postal
was distracted.
>
> Nothing super-human or precognitive about it at all. But to hear Stone
> tell it on the motion-picture screen, not a single cop had any idea
> that Tippit's suspected killer was in that theater when many police
> cars swarmed the theater at 1:45 to 1:50.
>
> WHY are so many CTers so doggone eager and willing to jump on that
> popular "Anybody Except Oswald" bandwagon?
Because The Warren Report is an obvious lie.....and we want the truth.
Walt
David Von Pein
I wonder how Oswald managed to get from 1026 Beckley to the Texas
Theater on Jefferson in 2 minutes (or probably less), per this kooky
theory?
Talk about NOT HAVING ENOUGH TIME to do something. How do you kooks
explain this hunk of Superman-like speed exhibited by Mr. Oswald?
(Earlene Roberts is probably a big fat liar too, right?)