Ruling out the "Sniper's Nest" as a Site of Shooting
Sean Smiley
Williams had no particular knowledge of activity above them.
2) Homicide Capn Fritz picked up the hulls--from an undisclosed
location--before they could be photographed.
3) The ATF agent inside the TSBD reported that the rifle was found on
a floor *below* the sixth.
4) Witness Amos Euins reported that the shooter was black--that is,
*not* on the sixth floor.
5) Witness Howard Brennan reported that the shooter shot from a wide-
open window--i.e., not the "nest" window.
6) DPD Inspector Sawyer reported later, on the police radio, that the
hulls were found on the *third* floor--i.e., certainly not the sixth
floor--after having been present at their finding upstairs, as per
several previous posts here.
dcw
David Von Pein
>>> "Ruling out the "Sniper's Nest" as a Site of Shooting." <<<
What Don Willis is saying is this:
Since the sixth-floor Sniper's Nest is the ONLY location where it can
be proven beyond all reasonable doubt that a gunman was located during
JFK's assassination, we should therefore COMPLETELY RULE OUT that
location as a source for ANY of the gunfire in Dealey Plaza.
The topsy-turvy world of an insane CTer rears its head once again. And
Donald C. Willis is one of the silliest of the CTers, because of his
continued attempts (year after year) to change around all of the
evidence relating to the Sniper's Nest to suit his fanciful needs.
It's always quite humorous to watch these conspiracy kooks who are
armed with a "niche" theory as they try to sell their crackpottery to
other forum members -- e.g., Don Willis' continued fascination with
the TSBD and the Sniper's Nest and the way he can see things that
nobody else can see.
Plus the way Donald has no hesitation at all to twist every last piece
of "Oswald Did It" evidence into something quite the opposite...to the
absurd point where he can actually feel comfortable and confident in
making this declaration as if it were an ironclad fact: "RULING OUT
THE SNIPER'S NEST AS A SITE OF SHOOTING."
It can't get much nuttier and delusional than that, folks.
And the other "niche" conspiracy kooks are sometimes fun to watch too.
Like Robert "Z285" Harris, and Cliff "The Holes In JFK's Clothes Prove
Conspiracy" Varnell, and Thomas "LHO Did It Alone But The WC Lied And
There Was Another Head Shot After Z313" Purvis, etc.
But the things these "researchers" are selling is stuff that nobody is
buying -- not even their fellow conspiracy mongers. But that never
deters a good "niche" CTer from forging ahead--year after year after
year--with their unique hunks of unprovable and incoherent tripe that
they each think proves conspiracy in the JFK case.
And Willis just might take the prize in the "incoherent" category too.
A few years ago, he had Danny Arce killing JFK from a FIFTH-floor
window on the WEST side of the TSBD, with Bonnie Ray Williams waving a
rifle out of a fifth-floor EAST-end window to attract the attention of
bystanders. And then the plotters framed Oswald by planting evidence
in the SOUTHEAST corner window on the SIXTH floor.
Brilliant plot. If the Grand Poobah of the plot was Rain Man.
"I know that conspiracy theorists have a sweet tooth for
silliness, but is there absolutely nothing that is too silly for their
palate?" -- Vincent Bugliosi
Sean Smiley
Good to hear from you, David! Been a while. I assume that you are in
full agreement with my 6 points since you did not address any of
them....
dcw
Sean Smiley
>
> What Don Willis is saying is this:
>
> Since the sixth-floor Sniper's Nest is the ONLY location where it can
> be proven beyond all reasonable doubt that a gunman was located during
> JFK's assassination, we should therefore COMPLETELY RULE OUT that
> location as a source for ANY of the gunfire in Dealey Plaza.
>
> The topsy-turvy world of an insane CTer rears its head once again. And
> Donald C. Willis is one of the silliest of the CTers, because of his
> continued attempts (year after year) to change around all of the
> evidence relating to the Sniper's Nest to suit his fanciful needs.
>
> It's always quite humorous to watch these conspiracy kooks who are
> armed with a "niche" theory as they try to sell their crackpottery to
> other forum members -- e.g., Don Willis' continued fascination with
> the TSBD and the Sniper's Nest and the way he can see things that
> nobody else can see.
>
> Plus the way Donald has no hesitation at all to twist every last piece
> of "Oswald Did It" evidence
Oh, yes, Euins' "colored man" who fired the shots is a piece of
"Oswald Did It" evidence!
dcw
Walt
> >>> "Ruling out the "Sniper's Nest" as a Site of Shooting." <<<
>
> What Don Willis is saying is this:
>
> Since the sixth-floor Sniper's Nest is the ONLY location where it can
> be proven beyond all reasonable doubt that a gunman was located during
> JFK's assassination, we should therefore COMPLETELY RULE OUT that
> location as a source for ANY of the gunfire in Dealey Plaza.
Hey Von Pea Brain.....Where is this proof that there was someone
firing a rifle from the SE corner window at 12:30 that day?? I know
that you're a dishonest person, so I know that you'll lie in response
to this question.
David Von Pein
>>> "Hey Von Pea Brain.....Where is this proof that there was someone firing a rifle from the SE corner window at 12:30 that day??" <<<
I guess the retard named Walt has never seen Commission Exhibit No.
510. Oh, yes, of course! This stuff was PLANTED there, right,
retard?!:
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0124a.htm
Walt
> >>> "Hey Von Pea Brain.....Where is this proof that there was someone firing a rifle from the SE corner window at 12:30 that day??" <<<
>
> I guess the retard named Walt has never seen Commission Exhibit No.
> 510. Oh, yes, of course! This stuff was PLANTED there, right,
> retard?!:
Hey STUPID... Read the question again. .....Where is this proof
that there was someone firing a rifle from the SE corner window at
12:30 that day??"
There is NO proof that anybody was in that window at 12:30...... In
FACT there are photos which were taken AT THE TIME of the shooting
which show the SE corner window, and there is nobody aiming a rifle
out of that window AT THAT TIME!!.
>
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0...
David Von Pein
>>> "There is NO proof that anybody was in that window at 12:30." <<<
Yeah, only Brennan, Euins, Jackson, Couch, Worrell (plus CE510).
Walt's delusional.
Sean Smiley
> >>> "There is NO proof that anybody was in that window at 12:30." <<<
>
> Yeah, only Brennan
Who said the shooter was at a wide-open window
, Euins
Who said the shooter was a "colored man"
Jackson
Who testified that the shooter was at a window open like the
*southwest* corner windows on the 6th floor--that is, a *wide open*
window (see Brennan, above)
Couch
Who also testified that the shooter was at a *wide open* window! Boy,
Dave, you're 4 for 4! Thanks! You're a wide-open LNer.... You've
made my case, & I'm plumb grateful....
dcw
Sean Smiley
> >>> "Hey Von Pea Brain.....Where is this proof that there was someone firing a rifle from the SE corner window at 12:30 that day??" <<<
>
> I guess the retard named Walt has never seen Commission Exhibit No.
> 510. Oh, yes, of course! This stuff was PLANTED there, right,
> retard?!:
Chuckle. Dave, remember that Fritz picked up those little thingies
*before* 510 was taken. Right, it was planted!
dcw
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0...
timstter
> 1) As per "The Fifth-Floor Witnesses to Nothing", Norman, Jarman &
> Williams had no particular knowledge of activity above them.
>
Huh? Harold Norman said he heard three shots, the bolt action of the
rifle and three hulls hitting the floor! How is this *no particular
knowledge* of the activity above him?
> 2) Homicide Capn Fritz picked up the hulls--from an undisclosed
> location--before they could be photographed.
>
Baloney! The search of the 6th Floor of the TSBD was filmed!
> 3) The ATF agent inside the TSBD reported that the rifle was found on
> a floor *below* the sixth.
>
Who is the *ATF agent* then? A member of the DPD?
> 4) Witness Amos Euins reported that the shooter was black--that is,
> *not* on the sixth floor.
>
Euins said the guy was white:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10672&relPageId=1
> 5) Witness Howard Brennan reported that the shooter shot from a wide-
> open window--i.e., not the "nest" window.
>
LOL! Sure thing, Donald.
> 6) DPD Inspector Sawyer reported later, on the police radio, that the
> hulls were found on the *third* floor--i.e., certainly not the sixth
> floor--after having been present at their finding upstairs, as per
> several previous posts here.
>
Wow! What <snicker> STRONG evidence, Don.
> dcw
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
Walt
Von Pea Brain's a liar.... NONE of the people you named saw a man
firing a rifle from a PARTIALLY open ( less than halfway open) ALL
of the people said they saw a man with a rifle behind a WIDE OPEN
window.
Walt
> On Sep 17, 9:50 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> "There is NO proof that anybody was in that window at 12:30." <<<
>
>
> Who said the shooter was at a wide-open window
>
> , Euins
>
> Who said the shooter was a "colored man"
>
> Jackson
>
> Who testified that the shooter was at a window open like the
> *southwest* corner windows on the 6th floor--that is, a *wide open*
> window (see Brennan, above)
>
> Couch
>
> Who also testified that the shooter was at a *wide open* window! Boy,
> Dave, you're 4 for 4! Thanks! You're a wide-open LNer.... You've
> made my case, & I'm plumb grateful....
> dcw
Hi Don..... I didn't see your response to the Pea Brain before I
posted the same basic rebuttal that you did..... The Pea Brain doesn't
like the FACT that all of the witness who saw a man with a rifle in
the TSBD DESCRIBED the window where they saw the man as being WIDE
OPEN. Therefore to save his lying hide he calls me "delusional".
He simply can't HONESTLY refute the FACT that NONE of the witnesses
described the SE corner window as the place where they had seen the
man with the sniper rifle.
>
> , Worrell (plus CE510).
>
>
>
>
>
> > Walt's delusional.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sean Smiley
descriptions!
dcw
Sean Smiley
> On Sep 15, 2:10 am, Sean Smiley <seansmileyran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 1) As per "The Fifth-Floor Witnesses to Nothing", Norman, Jarman &
> > Williams had no particular knowledge of activity above them.
>
> Huh? Harold Norman said he heard three shots, the bolt action of the
> rifle and three hulls hitting the floor! How is this *no particular
> knowledge* of the activity above him?
>
question--"The Fifth-Floor Witnesses to Nothing". On 11/22/63,
Norman, oddly, had absolutely nothing to tell police....
dcw
> > 2) Homicide Capn Fritz picked up the hulls--from an undisclosed
> > location--before they could be photographed.
>
> Baloney! The search of the 6th Floor of the TSBD was filmed!
Half-cocked again. Alyea couldn't be everywhere at once, & while he
was away from the hulls location, 3 witnesses saw Fritz pick up the
hulls, before Day got there. Do a little homework, kid....
>
> > 3) The ATF agent inside the TSBD reported that the rifle was found on
> > a floor *below* the sixth.
>
> Who is the *ATF agent* then? A member of the DPD?
>
> > 4) Witness Amos Euins reported that the shooter was black--that is,
> > *not* on the sixth floor.
>
> Euins said the guy was white:
>
> http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=106...
Sean Smiley
I'm still laughing over your witness choices, David! Keep up the uh
good work....
dcw
David Von Pein
>>> "I'm still laughing over your witness choices, David!" <<<
Well, it's the only witnesses there are. And every one of them saw a
rifle sticking out of an upper-floor window on the southeast side of
the TSBD.
Sorry if that troubles you, Smiley/Willis.
timstter
> On Sep 18, 1:08 am, timstter <timst...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Sep 15, 2:10 am, Sean Smiley <seansmileyran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > 1) As per "The Fifth-Floor Witnesses to Nothing", Norman, Jarman &
> > > Williams had no particular knowledge of activity above them.
>
> > Huh? Harold Norman said he heard three shots, the bolt action of the
> > rifle and three hulls hitting the floor! How is this *no particular
> > knowledge* of the activity above him?
>
> Next time, before you go off half-cocked, read the post in
> question--"The Fifth-Floor Witnesses to Nothing". On 11/22/63,
> Norman, oddly, had absolutely nothing to tell police....
> dcw
>
Huh? Norman is DAMNING to your friend Oswald, isn't he? If you want
someone to read that BS thread then link to it, is my advice.
> > > 2) Homicide Capn Fritz picked up the hulls--from an undisclosed
> > > location--before they could be photographed.
>
> > Baloney! The search of the 6th Floor of the TSBD was filmed!
>
> Half-cocked again. Alyea couldn't be everywhere at once, & while he
> was away from the hulls location, 3 witnesses saw Fritz pick up the
> hulls, before Day got there. Do a little homework, kid....
>
LOL! Er, but the CLEAR implication from you was that the shells were
found somewhere OTHER than the sixth floor. Now, why did you imply
that?
>
>
> > > 3) The ATF agent inside the TSBD reported that the rifle was found on
> > > a floor *below* the sixth.
>
> > Who is the *ATF agent* then? A member of the DPD?
>
> > > 4) Witness Amos Euins reported that the shooter was black--that is,
> > > *not* on the sixth floor.
>
> > Euins said the guy was white:
>
> >http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=106...
>
> > > 5) Witness Howard Brennan reported that the shooter shot from a wide-
> > > open window--i.e., not the "nest" window.
>
> > LOL! Sure thing, Donald.
>
> > > 6) DPD Inspector Sawyer reported later, on the police radio, that the
> > > hulls were found on the *third* floor--i.e., certainly not the sixth
> > > floor--after having been present at their finding upstairs, as per
> > > several previous posts here.
>
> > Wow! What <snicker> STRONG evidence, Don.
>
> > > dcw
>
Looks like you ducked everything else, Donald. How very surprising...
Sean Smiley
Sashay, eh?
dcw
Sean Smiley
> On Sep 19, 3:10 am, Sean Smiley <seansmileyran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 18, 1:08 am, timstter <timst...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Sep 15, 2:10 am, Sean Smiley <seansmileyran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > 1) As per "The Fifth-Floor Witnesses to Nothing", Norman, Jarman &
> > > > Williams had no particular knowledge of activity above them.
>
> > > Huh? Harold Norman said he heard three shots, the bolt action of the
> > > rifle and three hulls hitting the floor! How is this *no particular
> > > knowledge* of the activity above him?
>
> > Next time, before you go off half-cocked, read the post in
> > question--"The Fifth-Floor Witnesses to Nothing". On 11/22/63,
> > Norman, oddly, had absolutely nothing to tell police....
> > dcw
>
> Huh? Norman is DAMNING to your friend Oswald, isn't he? If you want
> someone to read that BS thread then link to it, is my advice.
Norman means nothing regarding any particular person--he's just a
fabricated arrow pointing to the 6th floor. Let me know how to link &
I will, tho the BS here seems to be coming up from Down Under....
dcw
>
> > > > 2) Homicide Capn Fritz picked up the hulls--from an undisclosed
> > > > location--before they could be photographed.
>
> > > Baloney! The search of the 6th Floor of the TSBD was filmed!
>
> > Half-cocked again. Alyea couldn't be everywhere at once, & while he
> > was away from the hulls location, 3 witnesses saw Fritz pick up the
> > hulls, before Day got there. Do a little homework, kid....
>
> LOL! Er, but the CLEAR implication from you was that the shells were
> found somewhere OTHER than the sixth floor. Now, why did you imply
> that?
>
Don't understand that "but". And I have to correct this hasty
paragraph--Alyea actually supposedly filmed Fritz holding up the
hulls, but that footage seems to have vanished.
>
>
>
> > > > 3) The ATF agent inside the TSBD reported that the rifle was found on
> > > > a floor *below* the sixth.
>
> > > Who is the *ATF agent* then? A member of the DPD?
>
ATF is a separate agency. "I think the rifle was found on the fourth
floor."--ATF agent Frank Ellsworth, in "The Man Who Knew Too
Much" (p569)
> > > > 4) Witness Amos Euins reported that the shooter was black--that is,
> > > > *not* on the sixth floor.
>
> > > Euins said the guy was white:
>
> > >http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=106...
This seems to be a document re Vietnam. What gives? Are you saying
that the shooter was Vietnamese? Two reporters (Underwood & Biffle)
heard Euins say the shooter was a "colored man". Later, Euins
retracted, & said he couldn't say anything about the guy at all....
>
> > > > 5) Witness Howard Brennan reported that the shooter shot from a wide-
> > > > open window--i.e., not the "nest" window.
>
> > > LOL! Sure thing, Donald.
Brennan testified before the WC that the window was wide open. The
"nest" window was not wide open. Sho' thing!
> > > > 6) DPD Inspector Sawyer reported later, on the police radio, that the
> > > > hulls were found on the *third* floor--i.e., certainly not the sixth
> > > > floor--after having been present at their finding upstairs, as per
> > > > several previous posts here.
>
> > > Wow! What <snicker> STRONG evidence, Don.
Well, tell me how "third floor" could possibly be translated into
"sixth floor"....
Sean Smiley
Wait a minute? Why should that bother me? I have no problem with
what you say they saw here! Maybe that troubles other Bunkies....
dcw
>
> Sashay, eh?
> dcw
timstter
Hi Donald/Sean.
The link to the document re Euins still works in the original post I
sent thru. Why did you:
A) Ignore it in the first place.
&
B) Now pretend it is about Vietnam when it is quite clearly linking
correctly in the original post I made?
It looks like you're hiding from Euins, Donald/Sean! Now WHY is that?
Concerned Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
Sean Smiley
Well, when you answer everything which *you* ducked in this last post,
we'll return to the subject of Euins....
dcw
timstter
Huh? You already ducked Euins from the FIRST post, Sean/Donald.
Got any explanation for that?
Here's another statement where Euins says he saw a white man:
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/html/WH_Vol19_0246b.htm
Why did you make up stuff about Euins, Sean/Donald?
Sean Smiley
>
> Why did you make up stuff about Euins, Sean/Donald?
>
News director James Underwood testified before the Warren Commission,
"A little colored boy whose last name I remember as Eunice [sic]...
was telling the motorcycle officer he had seen a colored man lean out
of the window upstairs, & he had a rifle.... I said, 'Are you sure it
was a colored man?' He said, 'Yes, sir'." (v6p170)
Newsman Kent Biffle, in the Dallas Morning News, reported, that same
day, "I ran east toward the TSBD. A policeman was talking to a Negro
boy. 'It was a colored man done it. I saw him," the boy was saying."
Underwood and Biffle would have heard Euins *before* his sheriff's
statement. For most people on these newsgroups, this is old stuff,
which is why I was slow answering about Euins.... I await your
apology....
dcw
Sean Smiley
As I thought--LNers won't admit when they're wrong. Bidness as usual,
down under or up above....
dcw
timstter
Oh, now steady on there. Where did I call you a liar?
> News director James Underwood testified before the Warren Commission,
> "A little colored boy whose last name I remember as Eunice [sic]...
> was telling the motorcycle officer he had seen a colored man lean out
> of the window upstairs, & he had a rifle.... I said, 'Are you sure it
> was a colored man?' He said, 'Yes, sir'." (v6p170)
>
> Newsman Kent Biffle, in the Dallas Morning News, reported, that same
> day, "I ran east toward the TSBD. A policeman was talking to a Negro
> boy. 'It was a colored man done it. I saw him," the boy was saying."
>
Huh? Well we got the signed statement of Euins. I think I'll be going
with that over what a reporter may or may not have overheard.
> Underwood and Biffle would have heard Euins *before* his sheriff's
> statement. For most people on these newsgroups, this is old stuff,
> which is why I was slow answering about Euins.... I await your
> apology....
Well you won't be getting one, Donald/Sean. Anyone who would entitle a
thread *Ruling out the *Sniper's Nest* as a Site of Shooting* and go
on to back up their nonsense with a whole series of dubious assertions
based on very tenuous reasoning is a distorter of the historical
record, in my view. Liar is too go a word for you, Donald/Sean. You
prey on the weak minded and gullible out there.
> dcw
>
Disgusted Regards,
Sean Smiley
"Why did you make up stuff about Euins?"
>
> > News director James Underwood testified before the Warren Commission,
> > "A little colored boy whose last name I remember as Eunice [sic]...
> > was telling the motorcycle officer he had seen a colored man lean out
> > of the window upstairs, & he had a rifle.... I said, 'Are you sure it
> > was a colored man?' He said, 'Yes, sir'." (v6p170)
>
> > Newsman Kent Biffle, in the Dallas Morning News, reported, that same
> > day, "I ran east toward the TSBD. A policeman was talking to a Negro
> > boy. 'It was a colored man done it. I saw him," the boy was saying."
>
> Huh? Well we got the signed statement of Euins. I think I'll be going
> with that over what a reporter may or may not have overheard.
Two reporters. One talked to Euins. I guess this is an example of
The Great Divide. If you believe there was no conspiracy/cover-up,
you'll have no problem accepting later statements. If you believe
there was a conspiracy/cover-up, then you'll tend to think that those
later statements are covering up the truth that got out before
witnesses could be compromised. Certainly, you are aware of conflicts
among the statements of Euins. For instance, he told the FBI, on
11/29, that he "could not tell anything about the man"; then, on
12/14, he told them that he "was sure this man was white". Then, he
testified before the WC that, re his affidavit, he "didn't actually
say it was a white man". He rejected his own "signed statement".
I'll take the word of reporters at the scene, on 11/22, over
contradictory later statements, one of which Euins (later) rejected
outright....
dcw
>
> > Underwood and Biffle would have heard Euins *before* his sheriff's
> > statement. For most people on these newsgroups, this is old stuff,
> > which is why I was slow answering about Euins.... I await your
> > apology....
>
> Well you won't be getting one, Donald/Sean. Anyone who would entitle a
> thread *Ruling out the *Sniper's Nest* as a Site of Shooting* and go
> on to back up their nonsense with a whole series of dubious assertions
> based on very tenuous reasoning is a distorter of the historical
> record, in my view. Liar is too go a word for you, Donald/Sean. You
> prey on the weak minded and gullible out there.
>
Funny, it hasn't work with you, then! Bazinga!