Facts LNT'ers Just *HATE*! (#18)
Ben Holmes
Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's
only purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to
change message threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults
and attacks.
These trolls include (but are not limited to):
Baldoni
Bigdog
Bill
Brokedad
Bud
Burlyguard
Cdddraftsman
Chuck Schuyler
Ch...@amcmn.com
David Von Pein
Ed Dolan
Justme1952
Miss Rita
Much...@Gmail.com
Much...@Hotmail.com
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki
Sam Brown
Tims...@Gmail.com
YoHarvey
Please beware when seeing their responses, and note that they will simply
deny the facts I mention, demand citations that I've provided before, or
simply run with insults. These trolls are only good material for the kill
files.
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[Interesting that no LNT'ers are even *trying* to respond to any of these
posts... but as predicted above, the trolls are howling. It seems that the more
specific and cite filled post you create, the faster LNT'ers run away from it!]
The Shaw trial often comes under repeated attack by LNT'ers, but one bit of
testimony that I suspect that they particularly hate is that of Col. Finck.
The only prosector to be cross-examined in this case, here's a few tidbits that
LNT'ers just *hate*:
Q: Was Dr. Humes running the show?
A: Well, I heard Dr. Humes stating that -- he said, "Who is in charge here?" and
I heard an Army General, I don't remember his name, stating, I am." You must
understand that in those circumstances, there were law enforcement officers,
military people with various ranks, and you have to co-ordinate the operation
according to directions.
Q: But you were one of the three qualified pathologists standing at that autopsy
table, were you not, Doctor?
A: Yes, I am.
Q: Was this Army General a qualified pathologist?
A: No.
Q: Was he a doctor?
A: No, not to my knowledge.
Q: Can you give me his name, Colonel?
A: No, I can't. I don't remember.
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Q: Did you have an occasion to dissect the track of that particular bullet in
the victim as it lay on the autopsy table?
A: I did not dissect the track in the neck.
Q: Why?
A: This leads us into the disclosure of medical records.
MR. OSER: Your Honor, I would like an answer from the Colonel and I would as the
Court so to direct.
THE COURT: That is correct, you should answer, Doctor.
THE WITNESS: We didn't remove the organs of the neck.
BY MR. OSER:
Q: Why not, Doctor?
A: For the reason that we were told to examine the head wounds and that the --
Q: Are you saying someone told you not to dissect the track?
THE COURT: Let him finish his answer.
THE WITNESS: I was told that the family wanted an examination of the head, as I
recall, the head and chest, but the prosectors in this autopsy didn't remove the
organs of the neck, to my recollection.
BY MR. OSER:
Q: You have said they did not, I want to know why didn't you as an autopsy
pathologist attempt to ascertain the track through the body which you had on the
autopsy table in trying to ascertain the cause or causes of death? Why?
A: I had the cause of death.
Q: Why did you not trace the track of the wound?
A: As I recall I didn't remove these organs from the neck.
Q: I didn't hear you.
A: I examined the wounds but I didn't remove the organs of the neck.
Q: You said you didn't do this; I am asking you why didn't do this as a
pathologist?
A: From what I recall I looked at the trachea, there was a tracheotomy wound the
best I can remember, but I didn't dissect or remove these organs.
MR. OSER: Your Honor, I would ask Your Honor to direct the witness to answer my
question.
BY MR. OSER:
Q: I will ask you the question one more time: Why did you not dissect the track
of the bullet wound that you have described today and you saw at the time of the
autopsy at the time you examined the body? Why? I ask you to answer that
question.
A: As I recall I was told not to, but I don't remember by whom.
Q: You were told not to but you don't remember by whom?
A: Right.
Q: Could it have been one of the Admirals or one of the Generals in the room?
A: I don't recall.
Q: Do you have any particular reason why you cannot recall at this time?
A: Because we were told to examine the head and the chest cavity, and that
doesn't include the removal of the organs of the neck.
Q: You are one of the three autopsy specialist and pathologists at the time, and
you saw what you described as an entrance wound in the neck area of the
President of the United States who had just been assassinated, and you were only
interested in the other wound but not interested in the track through his neck,
is that what you are telling me?
A: I was interested in the track and I had observed the conditions of bruising
between the point of entry in the back of the neck and the point of exit at the
front of the neck, which is entirely compatible with the bullet path.
Q: But you were told not to go into the area of the neck, is that your
testimony?
A: From what I recall, yes, but I don't remember by whom.
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That the military *controlled* this autopsy is beyond dispute, it was *not* Dr.
Humes who was in control, despite his denials. There was no effort to find the
facts here, there was an effort to support the *one assassin* theory.
Here's another snippet to illustrate this:
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Q: Colonel, did you feel that you had to take orders from this Army General that
was there directing the autopsy?
A: No, because there were others, there were Admirals.
Q: There were Admirals?
A: Oh, yes, there were Admirals, and when you are a Lieutenant Colonel in the
Army you just follow orders, and at the end of the autopsy we were specifically
told -- as I recall it, it was by Admiral Kinney, the Surgeon General of the
Navy -- this is subject to verification -- we were specifically told not to
discuss the case.
Q: You were told not to discuss the case?
A: -- to discuss the case without coordination with the Attorney General.
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Here's another interesting reply:
A: I have no doubt that the bullet entered in the back of the head,
disintegrated, came out on the right side of the head.
As everyone knows by now... FMJ's are *designed* not to "disintegrate" - and as
a military doctor, Finck surely knew this...
I might note that it's particularly interesting that the only *Army* member of
the autopsy team couldn't recall the name of an *ARMY* General that was in
control of the autopsy.
One might wonder what facts we might know now if all three of the prosectors,
and Ebersole, had been subjected to cross-examination AT THE WC. But the WC
specifically stopped the possibility of any cross-examination, which, for
lawyers (They certainly knew better...), clearly showed their intent was *NOT*
to find the truth, but to support the "truth" already stated at the beginning of
the Commission...
To LNT'ers ... none of this matters... (and demonstrates their true character)
to reasonable people, it very much does.
aeffects
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> Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's
> only purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to
> change message threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults
> and attacks.
>
> These trolls include (but are not limited to):
>
> Baldoni
> Bigdog
> Bill
> Brokedad
> Bud
> Burlyguard
> Cdddraftsman
> Chuck Schuyler
> Ch...@amcmn.com
> David Von Pein
> Ed Dolan
> Justme1952
> Miss Rita
> Muchm...@Hotmail.com
> Ronald 'More-More' Moshki
> Sam Brown
not in the least, surprising.... considering ones career path :)
justm...@gmail.com
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*sniff, sniff*...got that nose right up Bens ass again huh Healy??
tomnln
<justm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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justme wrote;
*sniff, sniff*...got that nose right up Bens ass again huh Healy??
I write;
Will this gal EVER address evidence/testimony?
http://whokilledjfk.net/PROVEN%20LIES.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/CASE%20DISMISSED.htm
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YoHarvey
> <justme1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> justme wrote;
>
> *sniff, sniff*...got that nose right up Bens ass again huh Healy??
>
> I write;
> Will this gal EVER address evidence/testimony?
>
> http://whokilledjfk.net/PROVEN%20LIES.htm
>
> http://whokilledjfk.net/CASE%20DISMISSED.htm
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Interesting that no LNT'ers are even *trying* to respond to any of
these
posts... but as predicted above, the trolls are howling. It seems that
the more
specific and cite filled post you create, the faster LNT'ers run away
from it!]
Of course we're not. You want us to "make you more infamous" than you
are. Holmes? You beg us. You want us. You need us.....for your own
self importance. The fact we IGNORE you.....as most rational people
do, only infuriates you more. Hence, your motivation for sending out
your gopher Healy. Holmes? Knowing you are ignored, what prompts you
to continue your charade? Is it Healy? Must you prove your dominance
over this mindless characature of a man? I personally have challenged
YOU to debate ME. You run and hide. We know your game. It never
changes.
As long as you are capable of "hiding" behind a computer keyboard,
your ego is soothed. Cowards often behave this way. Ask Healy.
He'll tell you anything you want to hear. He is your servant....for
life. And, he does floors and windows.
The mere
tomnln
"YoHarvey" <bail...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Yo(Momma)Harvey has been RUNNING from his own evidence/testimony for
YEARS>>>
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http://whokilledjfk.net/catch_of_the_day.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/autopsy.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/characters.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/RACE%20TO%20TSBD.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/croft_photo_with_anaylisis.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Evid%20Tamp.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/VEITNAM.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/CIA.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/PROVEN%20LIES.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/CASE%20DISMISSED.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/john_connally.htm
WHO is Yo(Momma)Harvey?>>>
http://whokilledjfk.net/baileynme.htm
ALL in his own words.
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aeffects
wrote:
close your legs creep, its tuna, you smell tuna --
aeffects
what you find interesting is moot, moron.....You and the one with a
face that resembles 20 miles of bad, BAD road were rendered irrelevant
months and months ago -- you're a plaything now -- Yank that Nutter's
C-H-A-I-N
> Of course we're not. You want us to "make you more infamous" than you
> are. Holmes? You beg us. You want us. You need us.....for your own
> self importance. The fact we IGNORE you.....as most rational people
> do, only infuriates you more. Hence, your motivation for sending out
> your gopher Healy. ...
oh really?
8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with
authority and present your argument with enough "jargon" and
"minutiae" to illustrate you are "one who knows", and simply say it
isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or
citing sources
>
> read more »
tomnln
"aeffects" <aeffe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Walt
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Hey Yo Yo.... You can't afford to ignore Ben Holmes or Gil Jesus, or
Herbert Blenner....or anybody who presents FACTUAL information.
You'll continue with your ad hominem attacks on anybody who threatens
to expose the conspiracy. I don't know "why" you're compelled to
respond ....If you don't have a vested reason then you're just plain
nuts.
Walt
aeffects
>
> Walt
my vote is "nuts" -or- he' has a sever need for friends -- thinking
we'll fill in till he can bamboozle others
Gil Jesus
>
> Hey Yo Yo.... You can't afford to ignore Ben Holmes or Gil Jesus, or
> Herbert Blenner....or anybody who presents FACTUAL information.
> You'll continue with your ad hominem attacks on anybody who threatens
> to expose the conspiracy. I don't know "why" you're compelled to
> respond ....If you don't have a vested reason then you're just plain
> nuts.
>
> Walt
Walt:
I'm inclined to believe nuts, but that's not my final answer. In the
case of JUSTMEntal, there's no doubt in my mind that she's a McAdams
flunky.
If you remember, when she was so sure that an "imposter" was making
posts for her, she ran off to her benefactor, McAdams, who told her
that the "imposter" was using the same service as she was
(Roadrunner).
In other words, SHE made the post, which was PROVEN when the mental
case found out that she had cross-posted it to various newsgroups.
So she's definitely a McAdams' troll.
justm...@gmail.com
You're so full of shit Chico I can smell you from here. The reason I
asked John was because he has access to everyones info...then I did my
own investigation and found it was YOU cloning people. Go back and
play kissy face with your alter boy...lying hypocritial bible blabbing
bigot. You were born again allright...as the son of Satan. Scum!
tomnln
> On Jan 18, 1:50�pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hey Yo Yo.... You can't afford to ignore Ben Holmes or Gil Jesus, or
> > Herbert Blenner....or anybody who presents FACTUAL information.
> > You'll continue with your ad hominem attacks on anybody who threatens
> > to expose the conspiracy. I don't know "why" you're compelled to
> > respond ....If you don't have a vested reason then you're just plain
> > nuts.
>
> > Walt
>
> Walt:
>
> I'm inclined to believe nuts, but that's not my final answer. In the
> case of JUSTMEntal, there's no doubt in my mind that she's a McAdams
> flunky.
>
> If you remember, when she was so sure that an "imposter" was making
> posts for her, she ran off to her benefactor, McAdams, who told her
> that the "imposter" was using the same service as she was
> (Roadrunner).
>
> In other words, SHE made the post, which was PROVEN when the mental
> case found out that she had cross-posted it to various newsgroups.
>
> So she's definitely a McAdams' troll.
You're so full of shit Chico I can smell you from here. The reason I
asked John was because he has access to everyones info...then I did my
own investigation and found it was YOU cloning people. Go back and
play kissy face with your alter boy...lying hypocritial bible blabbing
bigot. You were born again allright...as the son of Satan. Scum!
aeffects
On Jan 17, 6:59 am, Ben Holmes <ad...@khadaji.com> wrote:
> **********************************************************************
> Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's
> only purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to
> change message threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults
> and attacks.
>
> These trolls include (but are not limited to):
>
> Baldoni
> Bigdog
> Bill
> Brokedad
> Bud
> Burlyguard
> Cdddraftsman
> Chuck Schuyler
> Ch...@amcmn.com
> David Von Pein
> Ed Dolan
> Justme1952
> Miss Rita
> Muchm...@Gmail.com
> Muchm...@Hotmail.com
> Ronald 'More-More' Moshki
> Sam Brown
> Timsts...@Gmail.com
aeffects
ROTFLMFAO -- you think that little toots-e-roll has THAT much moxey?