Grassy Knoll One more Once
No sir I didnt shoot anybody and I request a lawyer
So... There is a ton of testimony from onlookers
Regarding what they saw or heard from
The knoll. But according to the lone nutters .ALL
of these folks were wrong. They were stupid. They
were deranged. Yup ..NOT ONE OF THOSE FOLKS
was sane ... they all were insane. We cant trust all
of those folks now can we ??? Laughable. What
are the chances that they were ALL WRONG ..
EVERY LIVING SOUL ..was wrong ??
David Von Pein
SHOTS WRONG. How likely is that, do you think?
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/images/shots3.jpg
Therefore, per the raw witness stats, BOTH sides of the debate have to
label MANY witnesses "wrong" re. certain things. There's just no way
around it.
LNers (like myself) have to label as "wrong" the approx. 33% of the
people who said the shots came from the Knoll.*
And CTers have no choice but to label that enormous percentile of 91%
(approx.) of the witnesses "wrong" with respect to the precise NUMBER
of shots fired.
* = Actually, the CTers have to label this 33% "wrong" too, in some
regard...because those 33% said they heard ALL of the shots from the
Knoll...which everybody knows is "wrong".
So, in the final "witness analysis", the LN side is way, way ahead
(sheer pct.-wise).
And in the "physical evidence" department...it's 'Katie, Bar the
Door!' .... the LN side wins by a score of about 150-0 when it comes
to that ballgame.
RICLAND
They talk about the "acoustics" of Dealey Plaza but never support this
claim with hard evidence. All it would take is someone in the six floor
window setting off a fire-crack. Would it sound like someone is firing
from the grassy knoll?
And why the grassy knoll? What kind of ricochet pattern is that?
--
Ricland:
Reclaiming History ...???
The Rebuttal to Bugliosi's JFK Assassination Book
http://jfkhit.com
dearhunter
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> No sir I didnt shoot anybody and I request a lawyer wrote:
>> So .. folks were running up the knoll after the shots
>> So... There is a ton of testimony from onlookers
>> Regarding what they saw or heard from
>> The knoll. But according to the lone nutters .ALL
>> of these folks were wrong. They were stupid. They
>> were deranged. Yup ..NOT ONE OF THOSE FOLKS
>> was sane ... they all were insane. We cant trust all
>> of those folks now can we ??? Laughable. What
>> are the chances that they were ALL WRONG ..
>> EVERY LIVING SOUL ..was wrong ??
>>
>
>
> They talk about the "acoustics" of Dealey Plaza but never support this
> claim with hard evidence. All it would take is someone in the six floor
> window setting off a fire-crack. Would it sound like someone is firing
> from the grassy knoll?
>
> And why the grassy knoll? What kind of ricochet pattern is that?
>
Just my 2 cents! Isn't it quite obvious that the video footage shows JFKs
head being forced forward from shots from behind, then last last fatal
shot his head is forced backwards, shot from the front. Now, after all
these years with this footage at hand why are there still those who
question or say that LHO was a lone asassin? Just like WTC7, it will be a
cold day in hell when someone can/will convince me that WTC7 fell because
of fire or some damage to the corner of the building, another cold day in
hell when someone can/will convince me that JFK was shot by one guy/gun.
Now the way I see it is, the only sheeple who disagree with this are
truly the DIE HARD americans who just refuse to believe that our
government could or would do anything opposite of what we were taught
from birth that we live in this make believe country that is so perfect
compared too the rest of the world.
Just watch all the footage on these events, listen to all the eye
witnesses, why even question it? They say a picture is worth a 1000
words, this footage is worth a billion words!
It's so hard to believe that after 44 years some are still trying to
figure it out, he was shot from behind and then from the front.
It will be another 44 years and some sheeple will still aurgue 7 fell
because of fire?
Again, just my 2 cents!
Raymond
> RICLAND <blackwr...@lycos.com> wrote innews:dtKdnc_bLurmIdjb...@comcast.com:
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It would be sensless to argue that there was not an explosive
"report" from the Knoll, and a careful analyses of testimonies
clearly
indicates that it was the first "report" of three such sounds, but it
was not necessarily from a rifle. No one saw a weapon fired. They did
report seeing and smelling smoke.
In previous posts, I suggested that the first "report" was a
diversionary pistol shot fired into the air by Jim Brading to draw
attention away from the TSBD's shooter, thus the reason for the extra
cartridge found on the floor along with the other two that had
resulted from the shots at the motorcade.
Besides the three casings, 76.7% of the witnesses said that three
shots were fired. Thirty-five (33.7%) said the shots came from the
Knoll and fifty-six (53.8%) said the TSBD. I personally believe that
both were right.
It is hard to imagine that one third of the witnesses were wrong
when they reported shots from the Grassy Knoll. What is more
interesting is what they said.
SS Agent Clinton Hill said that the second and third shots
sounded
alike. they had a different sound..."than the first sound I heard."
Sam Holland; "...I definitely saw a puff of smoke and heard the
report from under the trees."
Frank Reilly:... "at the park where all the shrubs is up
there...up the slope."
James Simmons:... " Fumes of smoke near the embankment."
Austin Miller:..."there is a little plaza on the hill...who threw
the firecracker or whatever it was."
Clemon Johnson:... " white smoke was observed by the pavillion."
Mary Woodward, Maggie Brown, Auretia Lorenzo, Ann Donaldson: All
on the sidewalk said they heard a horrible . "ear-shattering noise
coming from behind us and a little to our right."
John Chism: ..." by the Stemmons sign, I looked behind me,"
Marion Chism;... "It came from behind us."
Ammett Hudson:.. "The shots that I heard definitely came from
behind and above me." He was sitting on the steps on the Knoll.
Ronald Fisher:..." from just west of the TSBD."
Jean Hill: " I frankly thought they were coming from the Knoll."
Others that reported shots from the Knoll: Charles Brehm, Roy
Truly, Virgil Campbell, Mrs. Alvin Hopson, Mrs. Chas. Davis, Dorthy
Ann Garner, Steven Wilson, Otis Williams, Victoria Adams, Billy
Lovelady, Danny Arce, Wesley Frazier, James Jarman, Roger Craig, J.
E.
Decker, James Jarman, Harry Weatherford, and many more names can be
added to the list.
And the Warren Commission had the gall to say all the shots...
were
fired from the sixth-floor within the TSBD... "There is no credible
evidence.shots were fired ... from any other location."
WR 19
"A blind man knows he cannot see, and is glad to be led, though it be
by a dog; but he that is blind in his understanding, which is the
worst blindness of all, believes he sees as the best, and scorns a
guide"
--- Samuel Butler (English novelist, essayist and critic,
Raymond
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The Gov. Connally testimony is on the money, but I would not bet the
farm on their belief that things happened in the order that they
reported.
I agree that they both heard what they thought was a shot before
the Governor was hit. The Warren people suggested that the Connally's
heard the "alleged" missed shot.WR 112
I don't agree that there was a shot that missed. Instead, I
believe that it was a diversionary shot from the Knoll.
When Connally testified (4H, 134), he said that he never saw the
President or Mrs. Kennedy during the shooting sequence.
CONNALLY: I did not see her. This almost sounds incredible ,I am
sure, since we were in the car with them. But again I will repeat
very
briefly when what I believe to be the shot first occured, I turned to
my right, which was away from both of them, of course, and looked out
and could see neither , and then as I was turning to look into the
back seat where I could have seen both of them. I was hit, so I never
saw either of them after the firing started, and of course, as I have
testified, then Mrs. Connally pulled me into her lap and I was facing
forward with my head slightly turned up to where I could see the
driver and Roy Kellermam on his right, but I could not see in the
back
seat...
.About his wrist injury:
SPECTER; Were you conscious of receiving that wound on your wrist
at the time you sustained it?
JC; No , sir, I was not.
SPECTER: When did you first know you were wounded in the right
wrist?
JC : When I came to in the hospital on Saturday, the next
morning,
and I looked up and my arm was tied up in a hospital bed, and I said,
" What is wrong with my arm?" and they told me that I had a shattered
wrist, and that is when I also found out I had a wound in my thigh.
SPECTER: Were you conscious that you had been wounded in the left
thigh at the time it occured?
JC: NO..
.
Oddly enough , others in yhe car did not report a similar order of
events.
WR 49:
Mrs. John Kennedy, on the left of the rear seat of the limousine
looked toward her left and waved to the crowds along the route. Soon
after the motorcade turned on to Elm St., she heard a sound similar
to
a motorcycle noise and a cry from Governor Connally, which caused her
to look to her right. On turning she saw a quizzical look on her
husband's face as he raised his left hand to his throat. Mrs. Kennedy
then heard a SECOND shot and saw the President's skull torn open
under
the impact of the bullet.
Apparently, Mrs. Kennedy did not hear the explosion on the Grassy
Knoll. It was the cry from Governor Connally, who was hit, that
caused
her to turn to her right and see her husband raise his hand to his
throat. Both men, obviously, had been hit by the same bullet despite
claims made otherwise.
SPECTER: In your opinion, which bullet caused the injury to your
chest Governor Connally?
JC. The second one. WH, 135.
eca...@tx.rr.com
Forgive the condescending tone deerhunter..
But you sir, have much to learn.. I know that
doesn't help much but I'm a little leery of
putting in too much time with you because of
your repeated unwavering position that "it
will be a cold day in hell when someone
was shot by one guy/gun."
I'll take a stab at it but I sense you may be
one of the rare few who will honestly never
know or understand what so many experts like
myself already know about 11-22-63.
Are you aware the ballistics tests proved that
the 2 shots that hit Kennedy and killed him
were from Oswald's MC, with his prints on it,
on the TSBD 6F where he was seen earlier that
same day?
Ed Cage
2119May1207
On May 12, 3:33 pm, dearhunter <dearhun...@home.net> wrote:
> RICLAND <blackwr...@lycos.com> wrote innews:dtKdnc_bLurmIdjb...@comcast.com:
lazu...@webtv.net
been fairly well established he is the guy wearing sunglasses & a hat
with x's in the brim near Brehm about 10-15 minutes after the shooting
How long after the Assassination was he arrested in the Dal-Tex?
dearhunter
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>
> Forgive the condescending tone deerhunter..
> But you sir, have much to learn.. I know that
> doesn't help much but I'm a little leery of
> putting in too much time with you because of
> your repeated unwavering position that "it
> will be a cold day in hell when someone
> can/will convince me (deerhunter) that JFK
> was shot by one guy/gun."
>
> I'll take a stab at it but I sense you may be
> one of the rare few who will honestly never
> know or understand what so many experts like
> myself already know about 11-22-63.
>
> Are you aware the ballistics tests proved that
> the 2 shots that hit Kennedy and killed him
> were from Oswald's MC, with his prints on it,
> on the TSBD 6F where he was seen earlier that
> same day?
>
> Ed Cage
> 2119May1207
>
> I won't argue the point that Oswald did or didn't ever fire the shots,
after all no one ever did see him fire anything. Now, because there
wasn't ever any eye witness or witnesess that I'm aware of that actually
did see him shoot, I will allways have some doubt to wheather or not he
is even guilty. Finger prints, guns, anything can be planted. It's like
saying, he was smart enough to pull it off, but stupid enough to leave
the gun & shells behind to be found. Even someone like OJ has more sense
than that. Even a total amateur has more sense than that. Certainly he
would have planned on how not to get caught, I mean come on, at least
hide it in a box, there were plenty of them around, buy some time, let's
get real here. In plain english, I'll never buy the story 100%.
Now, you wrote: Are you aware the ballistics tests proved that
the 2 shots that hit Kennedy and killed him
were from Oswald's MC,
You still haven't convinced me how the final blow to JFKs head went from
a forward lean, then instantly was forced backwards. Now, Im I missing
something here, I'm not blind, I'm not a genius, unlike you i'm not an
"EXPERT" but I'm not stupid either. Dosen't the object that gets hit with
a projectile tend to go in the same direction of motion as the
projectile? When I veiw the footage, the final hit was from the front,
how can anyone argue that? Theoretically to me, it's as good as a signed
document, just those few frames showing his head movement is more
valuable than a 1000 eye witnesess or a lone assassin theory.
Oh, by the way Ed, when someone or anyone such as myself makes a
statement or asks questions, it's funny how people such as yourself come
back with criticism and never ever answers the questions! You suppose to
be an "expert" well, we have enough of them around scewing up this
country and sheeples minds. Stop trying to be an "EXPERT" and try using
common sense for once.
I
Herbert Blenner
Indeed the ballistic evidence linked a whole bullet and at least one
fragment of another bullet to the rifle found on the sixth floor of
the TSBD. However, Ed, tells you only part of the story. The forensic
evidence disclosed by the autopsy placed the shooter or shooters
equally far above as behind the wound on the back of an upright
President Kennedy and approximately twice as far above than behind the
entry wound on the head. The shapes and sizes of the simple entry
wounds on Kennedy combined with eyewitness testimony on the
orientation of the victim give the trajectories of the incoming
bullets.
These forensic findings provoked Arlen Specter to ask two Parkland
doctors whether a MC bullet fired at a range of from one hundred sixty
to two hundred fifty feet at a declination angle of forty five degrees
could have inflicted the wounds on President Kennedy or Governor
Connally. This question was fair because it involves solution of a
right isosceles triangle and can be solved mentally by many high
school students. In particular the height of the shooter above their
victim equals seven-tenths of the given range. Incredibly as it seems,
these doctors answered yes to the possibility of a shooter having been
between one hundred twelve and one hundred seventy five feet above the
victim.
The authorities did not allow this shameless performance by the WC to
stand.
Obviously the Clark Panel could not change the laws of trigonometry,
so they changed the wounds on Kennedy. Initially the autopsy described
the hole in Kennedy's back as a 7 mm by 4 mm oval with its longer axis
roughly parallel to the vertical column. The Clark Panel replaced this
eccentric bullet hole by a 10 mm by 7 mm elliptical abrasion. A
decade later the HSCA published a photograph of this abrasion and
showed that its longer axis was practically perpendicular to the
vertical column of Kennedy's body.
The Forensic Panel of HSCA described small lacerations in the vicinity
the most prominent portion of the abrasion, which was sixty degrees
from the direction of the longer axis. Some members of the panel
recognized tunneling in the direction of the most prominent abrasion.
Since these details conflict with the expectations from a forensic
analysis, the panel revised forensics! Well, at least they tried to
utterly confuse the presentation of basic forensic analysis. The
combined a drawing of a tangential entry bullet with the abrasion
produced by a bullet with yaw on one graphic. Their second graphic
showed entry by a bullet with yaw and the abrasion produced by a
tangential entry. The panel employed a tried and proven technique to
hide their deception. They interchanged titles on these graphics.
Whenever critics invoke forensic analysis to challenge the official
shooting scenario the apologists shout, "The printer made a
mistake."
Herbert
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