Lee Harvey Oswald - Sharpshooter!!
tims...@gmail.com
Those interested in whether Oswald could shoot or not might be
interested in the attached:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?absPageId=333279&imageOnly=true
It shows that a Sharpshooters medal was found among Oswald's
possessions after he was arrested, presumably because he had qualified
as a Sharpshooter in the USMC.
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
aeffects
> Hi All,
>
> Those interested in whether Oswald could shoot or not might be
> interested in the attached:
>
>
> It shows that a Sharpshooters medal was found among Oswald's
> possessions after he was arrested, presumably because he had qualified
> as a Sharpshooter in the USMC.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim Brennan
> Sydney, Australia
> *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
another brilliant piece of skulldugery by our man from down undah
(Fresno down-undah) Keep coming back troll! We need ya to show how
incompetent the Lone Nut cause really is
tims...@gmail.com
Hi Toots,
Say, is it true that you once published a chapter in a book, under the
name David G. Healy, positing that the Zapruder film was faked?
Is it true that the editor of that book, Jim Fetzer, believes that the
US government was behind 9/11 and the felling of the Twin Towers?
Is that why he believed your Zapruder film nonsense and included it in
his book, Toots? LOL!
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
aeffects
I think your having a cyber-love affair with me, troll. Ya can't get
enough of me or my name? You gay, son?
tims...@gmail.com
LOL! Hey Toots, I like to point out to folks here that you masquerade
behind the screen name *aeffects*, positing garbage like Z film
alteration, when all along your real name is David Healy. I feel this
is a civic duty.
'Sides which, ol' Toots-E-Roll fella, YOU were the one who responded
to my thread, as I recall.
KUTGW, Toots!
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
Gil Jesus
> Hi All,
>
> Those interested in whether Oswald could shoot or not might be
> interested in the attached:
>
>
> It shows that a Sharpshooters medal was found among Oswald's
> possessions after he was arrested, presumably because he had qualified
> as a Sharpshooter in the USMC.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim Brennan
> Sydney, Australia
> *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
Hey Timmy:
How many shooting awards did Oswald achieve as a civilian ?
Bud
You think the Marines give awards to civilians?
I still think it`s strange that the Marines would use the word
"sharpshooter" (which seems to me to imply a good shooter) to a person
who couldn`t shoot well.
tims...@gmail.com
Hi Gilly,
LOL! Who gives a stuff how many he won as a civilian, Gilly? He'd
already qualified as a Sharpshooter in the USMC and got a medal for
it, Gilly.
Where is any evidence he was even interested in winning any civilian
awards, Gilly? Doesn't mean he couldn't shoot straight though, does it
Gilly? He was bang on target when he murdered JFK, wasn't he Gil?
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
Chuck Schuyler
Since you brought the subject up, prove he didn't win any awards as a
civilian, Gil.
Take a few years away from the board to do a thorough search, and get
back to us with that hard hitting, crackerjack research you're known
for.
You're officially on a research sabbatical until 2020.
Go for it.
YoHarvey
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hey Healy? How many latrines did you have to clean in Nam to get the
Vietnam Service Medal?
YoHarvey
>
> - Show quoted text -
I believe this pretty much confirms LHO's shooting ability.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/jfkinfo3/exhibits/anderson1.htm
Walt
> TOP POST
>
> Hi Gilly,
>
> LOL! Who gives a stuff how many he won as a civilian, Gilly? He'd
> already qualified as a Sharpshooter in the USMC and got a medal for
> it, Gilly.
Oh, fer Christ's sake.... How damned dumb are you??
First off "sharpshooter" is NOT that great.... Every Marine has to
qualify as a "sharpshooter" because nothing less is acceptable. Since
nothing less is acceptable... quite often a recruit's coach will
"help" him qualify.
Secondly ....A man can learn to fire a particular rifle with a good
degree of accuracy, but he may not be able to hit the broadside of a
barn with some other rifle. Oswald qualified as "sharpshooter with
the M-1 Garand.... There is a vast difference between an M-1 Garand
and a Mannlicher Carcano. The M-1 is a much higher quality rifle. It
is a semi automatic rifle with a good trigger, and excellent "peep"
sights The Mannlicher Carcano is a much lower quality rifle with an
abominable trigger, and lousy open "V" notch sights.
Only an idiot or a liar would present the idea that since Oswald fired
an M-1 and qualified as "sharpshooter" in 1956 after weeks of training
with the rifle could still fire a cranky, old, worn, and rusty
Mannlicher Carcano better than the world's best rifleman seven years
later.
>
> Where is any evidence he was even interested in winning any civilian
> awards, Gilly? Doesn't mean he couldn't shoot straight though, does it
> Gilly? He was bang on target when he murdered JFK, wasn't he Gil?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim Brennan
> Sydney, Australia
> *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
>
> On Dec 13, 1:18 pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 12, 6:07 pm, timst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Hi All,
>
> > > Those interested in whether Oswald could shoot or not might be
> > > interested in the attached:
>
> > >http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?absPageId...
>
> > > It shows that a Sharpshooters medal was found among Oswald's
> > > possessions after he was arrested, presumably because he had qualified
> > > as a Sharpshooter in the USMC.
>
> > > Regards,
>
> > > Tim Brennan
> > > Sydney, Australia
> > > *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
>
> > Hey Timmy:
>
> > How many shooting awards did Oswald achieve as a civilian ?- Hide quoted text -
tims...@gmail.com
On Dec 13, 2:13 pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
> On 12 Dec, 20:30, timst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > TOP POST
>
> > Hi Gilly,
>
> > LOL! Who gives a stuff how many he won as a civilian, Gilly? He'd
> > already qualified as a Sharpshooter in the USMC and got a medal for
> > it, Gilly.
>
> Oh, fer Christ's sake.... How damned dumb are you??
>
> First off "sharpshooter" is NOT that great.... Every Marine has to
> qualify as a "sharpshooter" because nothing less is acceptable. Since
> nothing less is acceptable... quite often a recruit's coach will
> "help" him qualify.
>
Do they? Well how come some people get a rating of *marksman* then if
*nothing less is acceptable*?
> Secondly ....A man can learn to fire a particular rifle with a good
> degree of accuracy, but he may not be able to hit the broadside of a
> barn with some other rifle. Oswald qualified as "sharpshooter with
> the M-1 Garand.... There is a vast difference between an M-1 Garand
> and a Mannlicher Carcano. The M-1 is a much higher quality rifle. It
> is a semi automatic rifle with a good trigger, and excellent "peep"
> sights The Mannlicher Carcano is a much lower quality rifle with an
> abominable trigger, and lousy open "V" notch sights.
>
This USMC guy seems to indicate Ozzie was a pretty good shot:
QUOTE ON:
a sharpshooter qualification indicates a fairly good "shot". I trust
the foregoing will serve the purpose of your inquiry.
[s] A.G. Folsom Jr.
A.G. FOLSOM, JR.
Lieutenant Colonel U.S. Marine Corps
Head, Records Branch, Personnel Department
By direction of the Commandant of the Marine Corps
Encl:
(1) Copies of MARCOR Regs
describing marksmanship courses
QUOTE OFF
> Only an idiot or a liar would present the idea that since Oswald fired
> an M-1 and qualified as "sharpshooter" in 1956 after weeks of training
> with the rifle could still fire a cranky, old, worn, and rusty
> Mannlicher Carcano better than the world's best rifleman seven years
> later.
>
Only an idiot or a liar would present as a factual scenario that JFK
knew about Oswald and the he was one of JFK's agents trying to
infiltrate his way into Castro's Cuba. I believe you presented just
such a scenario, Walt.
BTW, Walt, how many yards was Oswald firing over when he shot
Sharpshooter, as opposed to how many yards he fired over from the TSBD
to Kennedy? It was many yards less from the TSBD to JFK, wasn't it
Walt?
Yer [sic] an idiot and a liar in my book, Walt.
Uncordial Regards,
Ben Holmes
Walt says...
>
>On 12 Dec, 20:30, timst...@gmail.com wrote:
>> TOP POST
>>
>> Hi Gilly,
>>
>> LOL! Who gives a stuff how many he won as a civilian, Gilly? He'd
>> already qualified as a Sharpshooter in the USMC and got a medal for
>> it, Gilly.
>
>Oh, fer Christ's sake.... How damned dumb are you??
>
>First off "sharpshooter" is NOT that great.... Every Marine has to
>qualify as a "sharpshooter" because nothing less is acceptable.
Nothing less than "Marksman" is acceptable. Sharpshooter is actually in the
middle of the bell curve for Marine Corps marksmanship... in other words,
*average*.
Marksman - 190-209
Sharpshooter - 210-219
Expert - 220-250
50 bullets - 5 points possible per bullet.
Marksman is frowned on in the Corps - the medal is a square one with concentric
circles, and is often referred to as "the toilet seat" award... it's considered
an embarrassment to only fire Marksman. Marines who can only shoot Marksman
have difficulty being promoted - as your rifle qualifications are quite
important in the Corps. (Along with your PFT scores - physical fitness)
>Since
>nothing less is acceptable... quite often a recruit's coach will
>"help" him qualify.
In boot camp, never happens. They will flunk a Marine recruit back to an
earlier training cycle ... if he continues to fail, he or she will be discharged
from the Corps. It's not an Honorable Discharge... I seem to recall that it's
an "Unsuitable" or something similar to that.
In the Corps - it depends on what base you're stationed at, and how rigidly the
range protocols are followed. When followed precisely, it's not *possible* to
cheat on someone's score - as those who are scoring don't know who's firing on
their target. I found range regulations to be tightly followed at the larger
bases like Camp Pendleton, and more loosely interpreted at smaller bases. In my
experience, anyway...
Cheating is, in my experience, rare - since you have to rely on everyone's
ability to shoot in combat. But it does happen.
>Secondly ....A man can learn to fire a particular rifle with a good
>degree of accuracy, but he may not be able to hit the broadside of a
>barn with some other rifle. Oswald qualified as "sharpshooter with
>the M-1 Garand.... There is a vast difference between an M-1 Garand
>and a Mannlicher Carcano. The M-1 is a much higher quality rifle. It
>is a semi automatic rifle with a good trigger, and excellent "peep"
>sights The Mannlicher Carcano is a much lower quality rifle with an
>abominable trigger, and lousy open "V" notch sights.
Nor are identical rifles interchangeable. If I'm firing all week with *my*
weapon, and take someone else's, put the *same* dope (sight adjustments) on it,
there's no telling where the bullets will group. With otherwise identical
rifles and identical sight adjustments, I could be firing as much as 8-12 inches
away...
>Only an idiot or a liar would present the idea that since Oswald fired
>an M-1 and qualified as "sharpshooter" in 1956 after weeks of training
>with the rifle could still fire a cranky, old, worn, and rusty
>Mannlicher Carcano better than the world's best rifleman seven years
>later.
People tend to forget that in Boot Camp - with supremely qualified Drill
Instructors keenly aware of every recruit's ability - and the ability to spend a
great deal of extra training time and individual help - Oswald merely fired
average... but when in the regular Corps - without anyone else to push him or
help him - he just barely passed. He literally made the 191 score on his FINAL
SHOT!
It wasn't uncommon for me to beat Oswald's 191 score with another 10 bullets (an
additional 50 possible points) still to go. And although above average, I was
far from exceptional.
I find it rather funny that the LNT'er crowd always speaks of Oswald's higher
score, ALTHOUGH IT WAS FURTHER AWAY IN TIME FROM THE ASSASSINATION - it would be
more intellectually honest to refer to his Marksmanship award - as it was the
more recent of his scores.
>> Where is any evidence he was even interested in winning any civilian
>> awards, Gilly? Doesn't mean he couldn't shoot straight though, does it
>> Gilly? He was bang on target when he murdered JFK, wasn't he Gil?
Circular reasoning... you presume that Oswald did it, so he must have been good
enough to do it. Far better marksman were unable to duplicate his alleged feat,
however.
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tim Brennan
>> Sydney, Australia
>> *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
>>
>> On Dec 13, 1:18=A0pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 12, 6:07 pm, timst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > > Hi All,
>>
>> > > Those interested in whether Oswald could shoot or not might be
>> > > interested in the attached:
>>
>> > >http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?absPageId.=
>..
>>
>> > > It shows that a Sharpshooters medal was found among Oswald's
>> > > possessions after he was arrested, presumably because he had qualifie=
>d
>> > > as a Sharpshooter in the USMC.
>>
>> > > Regards,
>>
>> > > Tim Brennan
>> > > Sydney, Australia
>> > > *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
>>
>> > Hey Timmy:
>>
>> > How many shooting awards did Oswald achieve as a civilian ?
The answer, of course, was zero.
Chuck Schuyler
> Circular reasoning... you presume that Oswald did it, so he must have been good
> enough to do it. Far better marksman were unable to duplicate his alleged feat,
> however.
I think you have it backwards, Yellowpants.
The logical reasoning is that the bullets/fragments ballistically
match Oswald's rifle-found on the 6th floor of the building he worked
at, and fled from. You could probably almost convict on just that
evidence alone, although there is so much more that points to Oswald.
You presume Oswald didn't do it, so CTers like you invent colorful
scenarios like forged film, fake Zapruders, LBJ planned it, Big Oil
was mad about the oil depletion allowance, etc.
Whether Oswald was a good shot or not, or whether better marksmen can
duplicate what happened doesn't matter.
The evidence shows that a man in a building shot at a man in a car. He
killed one and wounded one.
And Oswald was more than a competent enough shooter to fire three
shots in around 8.3 seconds and hit someone 88 yards away.
Gil Jesus
>
> I think you have it backwards, Yellowpants.
No, you have it backwards, Chuckles
>
> The logical reasoning is that the bullets/fragments ballistically
> match Oswald's rifle-found on the 6th floor of the building he worked
> at, and fled from. You could probably almost convict on just that
> evidence alone, although there is so much more that points to Oswald.
The NAA amd spectrographic tests used by the FBI to "match" the bullet
fragments to the WCC ammo are flawed and no longer in use by the
Bureau.
As such, they are no longer "evidence".
>
> You presume Oswald didn't do it, so CTers like you invent colorful
> scenarios like forged film, fake Zapruders, LBJ planned it, Big Oil
> was mad about the oil depletion allowance, etc.
Just how far would one go to prevent prosecution for murder if one
possessed the "evidence" ?
>
> Whether Oswald was a good shot or not, or whether better marksmen can
> duplicate what happened doesn't matter.
Yes it does. If it couldn't be done it was IMPOSSIBLE.
>
> The evidence shows that a man in a building shot at a man in a car. He
> killed one and wounded one.
And the tooth fairy is real because when you were a kid, you left a
tooth under your pillow and when you woke up, you'd gotten money for
it.
>
> And Oswald was more than a competent enough shooter to fire three
> shots in around 8.3 seconds and hit someone 88 yards away.
Show us how Oswald was "competent enough" by providing evidence that
Oswald practiced with ANY weapon in the 4 years prior to the
assassination.
Gil Jesus
> TOP POST
>
> Hi Gilly,
>
> LOL! Who gives a stuff how many he won as a civilian, Gilly? He'd
> already qualified as a Sharpshooter in the USMC and got a medal for
> it, Gilly.
>
> Where is any evidence he was even interested in winning any civilian
> awards, Gilly? Doesn't mean he couldn't shoot straight though, does it
> Gilly? He was bang on target when he murdered JFK, wasn't he Gil?
HI TIMMY:
You seem to be saying that Oswald showed NO interest in shooting or
ever practiced as a civilian, then went into the Marine Corps and
qualified as a "sharpshooter", then again showed no interest and never
practiced after leaving the Corps in 1959, and then 4 years later
performed a shooting feat that has NOT been matched in the last 45
years.
That's quite a stretch, Timmy.
Gil Jesus
>
> Cheating is, in my experience, rare - since you have to rely on everyone's
> ability to shoot in combat. �But it does happen.
MORE ON "DOCTORED" SCORES FROM THE WC TESTIMONY---WAS THERE CHEATING ?
Mr. LIEBELER. You told us that in this particular rifle practice, or
firing, that the scores were kept by NCOs.
Mr. DELGADO. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Was it a common practice for the privates to make deals
like this with the noncommissioned officers in connection with a thing
like this?
Mr. DELGADO. They are making a deal with the other guys pulling the
targets. See, the guy back there is also keeping a score. Now, your
NCO, particularly your NCO, may want to push you or make you qualify,
because he doesn't want to spend another day out there on the rifle
range, see; so it's not all that strict. Like if I was line NCO and I
had five men in my section, and four of them qualified, that means
that some other day, maybe on my day off, I will have to come in with
this other fellow, so I will help him along and push each other along.
You don't try to mess nobody up, but you can't take a man that is
shooting poorly and give him a 190 score, see; you could just give him
the bare minimum, 170 or 171, to make it look good.
Mr. LIEBELER. Just to qualify him?
MR. DELGADO. Just to qualify him.
MR. LIEBELER. So it is a possibility that that might have happened
even in this?
MR. DELGADO. Right.
( 7 H 238-239 )
Bud
Again, Gil, being a dishonest kook, neglects to include the
testimony of Delgado where he indicates that cheating while shooting
for score is impossible (even though i pointed this out to him last
time this issue arose). The scores being discussed are scores Oswald
achieved while shooting for score, which according to Delgado cannot
be tampered with.
Bud
> On Dec 12, 9:30 pm, timst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > TOP POST
>
> > Hi Gilly,
>
> > LOL! Who gives a stuff how many he won as a civilian, Gilly? He'd
> > already qualified as a Sharpshooter in the USMC and got a medal for
> > it, Gilly.
>
> > Where is any evidence he was even interested in winning any civilian
> > awards, Gilly? Doesn't mean he couldn't shoot straight though, does it
> > Gilly? He was bang on target when he murdered JFK, wasn't he Gil?
>
> HI TIMMY:
>
> You seem to be saying that Oswald showed NO interest in shooting or
> ever practiced as a civilian, then went into the Marine Corps and
> qualified as a "sharpshooter", then again showed no interest and never
> practiced after leaving the Corps in 1959,
Marina indicated that she thought he practiced with the rifle. There
is evidence of him cleaning it, which would indicate he shot it. But,
this raises the question of why a non-hunter, non-shooter like Oswald
with limited funds would purchase an item like a rifle at all. The
answer, of course, is that he bought the rifle to hunt fascists.
>and then 4 years later
> performed a shooting feat that has NOT been matched in the last 45
> years.
What shooting has ever been matched, Gil?
Bud
> Walt says...
>
>
>
> >On 12 Dec, 20:30, timst...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> TOP POST
>
> >> Hi Gilly,
>
> >> LOL! Who gives a stuff how many he won as a civilian, Gilly? He'd
> >> already qualified as a Sharpshooter in the USMC and got a medal for
> >> it, Gilly.
>
> >Oh, fer Christ's sake.... How damned dumb are you??
>
> >First off "sharpshooter" is NOT that great.... Every Marine has to
> >qualify as a "sharpshooter" because nothing less is acceptable.
>
> Nothing less than "Marksman" is acceptable. Sharpshooter is actually in the
> middle of the bell curve for Marine Corps marksmanship... in other words,
> *average*.
The average amongst a group of intensely trained individuals. A
great shot amongst the general population.
> Marksman - 190-209
> Sharpshooter - 210-219
> Expert - 220-250
>
> 50 bullets - 5 points possible per bullet.
>
> Marksman is frowned on in the Corps - the medal is a square one with concentric
> circles, and is often referred to as "the toilet seat" award... it's considered
> an embarrassment to only fire Marksman. Marines who can only shoot Marksman
> have difficulty being promoted - as your rifle qualifications are quite
> important in the Corps. (Along with your PFT scores - physical fitness)
>
> >Since
> >nothing less is acceptable... quite often a recruit's coach will
> >"help" him qualify.
>
> In boot camp, never happens. They will flunk a Marine recruit back to an
> earlier training cycle ... if he continues to fail, he or she will be discharged
> from the Corps. It's not an Honorable Discharge... I seem to recall that it's
> an "Unsuitable" or something similar to that.
>
> In the Corps - it depends on what base you're stationed at, and how rigidly the
> range protocols are followed. When followed precisely, it's not *possible* to
> cheat on someone's score - as those who are scoring don't know who's firing on
> their target. I found range regulations to be tightly followed at the larger
> bases like Camp Pendleton, and more loosely interpreted at smaller bases. In my
> experience, anyway...
>
> Cheating is, in my experience, rare - since you have to rely on everyone's
> ability to shoot in combat. But it does happen.
As we know, the kooks will choose to believe the slimmest of
possibilities.
> >Secondly ....A man can learn to fire a particular rifle with a good
> >degree of accuracy, but he may not be able to hit the broadside of a
> >barn with some other rifle. Oswald qualified as "sharpshooter with
> >the M-1 Garand.... There is a vast difference between an M-1 Garand
> >and a Mannlicher Carcano. The M-1 is a much higher quality rifle. It
> >is a semi automatic rifle with a good trigger, and excellent "peep"
> >sights The Mannlicher Carcano is a much lower quality rifle with an
> >abominable trigger, and lousy open "V" notch sights.
>
> Nor are identical rifles interchangeable. If I'm firing all week with *my*
> weapon, and take someone else's, put the *same* dope (sight adjustments) on it,
> there's no telling where the bullets will group. With otherwise identical
> rifles and identical sight adjustments, I could be firing as much as 8-12 inches
> away...
> >Only an idiot or a liar would present the idea that since Oswald fired
> >an M-1 and qualified as "sharpshooter" in 1956 after weeks of training
> >with the rifle could still fire a cranky, old, worn, and rusty
> >Mannlicher Carcano better than the world's best rifleman seven years
> >later.
>
> People tend to forget that in Boot Camp - with supremely qualified Drill
> Instructors keenly aware of every recruit's ability - and the ability to spend a
> great deal of extra training time and individual help - Oswald merely fired
> average... but when in the regular Corps - without anyone else to push him or
> help him - he just barely passed. He literally made the 191 score on his FINAL
> SHOT!
As usual kooks take information out of context. There is plenty of
information indicating Oswald was not trying towards the end of his
hitch.
> It wasn't uncommon for me to beat Oswald's 191 score with another 10 bullets (an
> additional 50 possible points) still to go. And although above average, I was
> far from exceptional.
>
> I find it rather funny that the LNT'er crowd always speaks of Oswald's higher
> score, ALTHOUGH IT WAS FURTHER AWAY IN TIME FROM THE ASSASSINATION - it would be
> more intellectually honest to refer to his Marksmanship award - as it was the
> more recent of his scores.
It would be intellectually honest for you to admit that Oswald
didn`t give a shit about his performance in the Marines when he shot
that score.
> >> Where is any evidence he was even interested in winning any civilian
> >> awards, Gilly? Doesn't mean he couldn't shoot straight though, does it
> >> Gilly? He was bang on target when he murdered JFK, wasn't he Gil?
>
> Circular reasoning... you presume that Oswald did it, so he must have been good
> enough to do it. Far better marksman were unable to duplicate his alleged feat,
> however.
<snicker> Ben himself shows that claim to be fallacious. He says a
shooter can`t shoot well with another person`s rifle. So why does he
then expect other shooters to shoot well with Oswald`s rifle? The fact
is that no significant shooting recreation can be done without the
information of how much familiarity Oswald had with his rifle. If
Oswald practiced with the rifle, then any other shooter would need the
same amount of practice with the weapon for any significant test to be
run. With the amount of practice Oswald had unknown, no real attempt
at duplication can be performed.
Walt
> On Dec 13, 4:02 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 12, 9:30 pm, timst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > TOP POST
>
> > > Hi Gilly,
>
> > > LOL! Who gives a stuff how many he won as a civilian, Gilly? He'd
> > > already qualified as a Sharpshooter in the USMC and got a medal for
> > > it, Gilly.
>
> > > Where is any evidence he was even interested in winning any civilian
> > > awards, Gilly? Doesn't mean he couldn't shoot straight though, does it
> > > Gilly? He was bang on target when he murdered JFK, wasn't he Gil?
>
> > HI TIMMY:
>
> > You seem to be saying that Oswald showed NO interest in shooting or
> > ever practiced as a civilian, then went into the Marine Corps and
> > qualified as a "sharpshooter", then again showed no interest and never
> > practiced after leaving the Corps in 1959,
>
Marina indicated that she thought he practiced with the rifle.
"THOUGHT" he "MIGHT" have practiced??? To Marina "practicing" with
a rifle was putting the rifle to your shoulder and aiming it. THAT is
NOT practicing FIRING the rifle!! There is a VAST difference!!
There is evidence of him cleaning it, which would indicate he shot it.
Pure BS!!.... Oswald had nothing to clean the bore with..... It takes
a gun cleaning kit with a cleaning rod and powder solvent, to clean a
rifle's bore after it has been fired. Oswald never had any gun
cleaning equipment. Wiping down the exterior surfaces of a rifles is
NOT cleaning it..... in the way you dishonestly imply.
But,
> this raises the question of why a non-hunter, non-shooter like Oswald
> with limited funds would purchase an item like a rifle at all. The
> answer, of course, is that he bought the rifle to hunt fascists.
Nonsense...Oswald ordered the rifle by mail order so he would have a
easily tracable unusual rifle as a stage prop in the staged shooting
at Walker's house.
>
> >and then 4 years later
> > performed a shooting feat that has NOT been matched in the last 45
> > years.
>
> What shooting has ever been matched, Gil?
>
>
>
> > That's quite a stretch, Timmy.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Bud
> On 13 Dec, 07:05, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 13, 4:02 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 12, 9:30 pm, timst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > TOP POST
>
> > > > Hi Gilly,
>
> > > > LOL! Who gives a stuff how many he won as a civilian, Gilly? He'd
> > > > already qualified as a Sharpshooter in the USMC and got a medal for
> > > > it, Gilly.
>
> > > > Where is any evidence he was even interested in winning any civilian
> > > > awards, Gilly? Doesn't mean he couldn't shoot straight though, does it
> > > > Gilly? He was bang on target when he murdered JFK, wasn't he Gil?
>
> > > HI TIMMY:
>
> > > You seem to be saying that Oswald showed NO interest in shooting or
> > > ever practiced as a civilian, then went into the Marine Corps and
> > > qualified as a "sharpshooter", then again showed no interest and never
> > > practiced after leaving the Corps in 1959,
>
> Marina indicated that she thought he practiced with the rifle.
>
> "THOUGHT" he "MIGHT" have practiced??? To Marina "practicing" with
> a rifle was putting the rifle to your shoulder and aiming it. THAT is
> NOT practicing FIRING the rifle!! There is a VAST difference!!
How do you know what she considered "practicing", idiot? Oswald told
her that he had been practicing.
> There is evidence of him cleaning it, which would indicate he shot it.
>
> Pure BS!!.... Oswald had nothing to clean the bore with..... It takes
> a gun cleaning kit with a cleaning rod and powder solvent, to clean a
> rifle's bore after it has been fired. Oswald never had any gun
> cleaning equipment.
How do you know this?
> Wiping down the exterior surfaces of a rifles is
> NOT cleaning it..... in the way you dishonestly imply.
You assume she meant the exterior. Why?
> But,
>
> > this raises the question of why a non-hunter, non-shooter like Oswald
> > with limited funds would purchase an item like a rifle at all. The
> > answer, of course, is that he bought the rifle to hunt fascists.
>
> Nonsense...Oswald ordered the rifle by mail order so he would have a
> easily tracable unusual rifle as a stage prop in the staged shooting
> at Walker's house.
This is why retards are useless when it comes to investigation.
aeffects
> On Dec 12, 11:38 pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>
> > Circular reasoning... you presume that Oswald did it, so he must have been good
> > enough to do it. Far better marksman were unable to duplicate his alleged feat,
> > however.
>
> I think you have it backwards, Yellowpants.
sitdown, you duplictious fool, who drug his brother into his shit mess
[es], then brags about it!
You are suprememly unqualified to discuss this topic, as is the
Timster from Fresno (hiding behind an Australian re-mailer of course)
<snip the trolls nonsense>
aeffects
ROTFLMFAO -- you are working at being a comedian are ya, troll?
Chuck Schuyler
> No, you have it backwards, Chuckles
>
> > The logical reasoning is that the bullets/fragments ballistically
> > match Oswald's rifle-found on the 6th floor of the building he worked
> > at, and fled from. You could probably almost convict on just that
> > evidence alone, although there is so much more that points to Oswald.
>
> The NAA amd spectrographic tests used by the FBI to "match" the bullet
> fragments to the WCC ammo are flawed and no longer in use by the
> Bureau.
>
> As such, they are no longer "evidence".
CE399 and the large fragments recovered from the limo are
ballistically tied to Lee's Carcano to the exclusion of any other
rifle.
>
> > You presume Oswald didn't do it, so CTers like you invent colorful
> > scenarios like forged film, fake Zapruders, LBJ planned it, Big Oil
> > was mad about the oil depletion allowance, etc.
>
> Just how far would one go to prevent prosecution for murder if one
> possessed the "evidence" ?
Your theories are a bridge too far.
>
> > Whether Oswald was a good shot or not, or whether better marksmen can
> > duplicate what happened doesn't matter.
>
> Yes it does. If it couldn't be done it was IMPOSSIBLE.
C'mon, Gil...do you deny someone was firing at the motorcade from the
TSBD? Do you deny that the physical evidence is overwhelming? Do you
deny that the rifle was Oswald's? That he worked there? That he fled
the building within a few minutes of the shooting? That the autopsy
says JFK was struck once in the back with a bullet exiting his neck,
and once in the back of the head with the bullet blowing out the front/
side?
>
> > The evidence shows that a man in a building shot at a man in a car. He
> > killed one and wounded one.
>
> And the tooth fairy is real because when you were a kid, you left a
> tooth under your pillow and when you woke up, you'd gotten money for
> it.
"Tooth Fairy" and other fantasies are the provenence of CTers who
believe thousands of people teamed up to murder JFK for dozens of
different reasons, coordinated by multiple agencies, aided by the
national press, sanctioned at the highest level of government, and
agreeing to continue the cover-up to this day.
>
> > And Oswald was more than a competent enough shooter to fire three
> > shots in around 8.3 seconds and hit someone 88 yards away.
>
> Show us how Oswald was "competent enough" by providing evidence that
> Oswald practiced with ANY weapon in the 4 years prior to the
> assassination.
General Walker.
lazu...@webtv.net
effects and magic bullets. It's good enough for Gary Mack, Von
Shitferbrains and gang.
Gil Jesus
cleaning equipment was found among Oswald's possessions during the
searches of November 22-23 1963.
BOY THAT OSWALD WAS A REAL GUN NUT IN THE MARINE CORPS...YOU CAN TELL
BY THE WAY HE TOOK CARE OF HIS WEAPON:
Mr. LIEBELER. Each man was assigned a particular rifle; is that
correct?
Mr. DELGADO. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you have to use the rifles to stand inspection?
Mr. DELGADO. That's right.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember whether or not Oswald kept his rifle in
good shape, clean?
Mr. DELGADO. He kept it mediocre.. He always got gigged for his rifle.
Mr. LIEBELER. He did?
Mr. DELGADO Yes; very seldom did he pass an inspection without getting
gigged for one thing or another.
Mr. LIEBELER. With respect to his rifle?
Mr. DELGADO. With respect to his rifle. He didn't spend as much time
as the rest of us did in the armory cleaning it up. He would, when he
was told to. Otherwise, he wouldn't come out by himself to clean it.
( 8 H 233-234 )
In addition, not only did Oswald not show ANY interest in firing
weapons in civilian life, he wasn't so crazy about it in the military,
either:
Mr. LIEBELER. You told the FBI that in your opinion Oswald was not a
good rifle shot; is that correct?
Mr. DELGADO. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. And that he did not show any unusual interest in his
rifle, and in fact appeared less interested in weapons than the
average marine?
Mr. DELGADO. Yes. He was mostly a thinker, a reader. He read quite
a bit.
( 8 H 237 )
Bud
> Yes, Oswald had a magic gun that fired neuromuscular reactions, jet
> effects and magic bullets.
No wonder the kooks can`t figure anything out, they consider simple
physics to be "magic".
Bud
> We're still waiting for the trolls to tell us whether or not gun
> cleaning equipment was found among Oswald's possessions during the
> searches of November 22-23 1963.
The cleaning Marina said she observed occurred when Oswald lived on
Neely St.The practicing Oz told Marina about was no doubt in
preparation for his attempt on Walker`s life, and the cleaning became
necessary because he was using the rifle during this period. He moved
several times between when he lived on Neely and when his belongings
were searched. Him not having gun cleaning impliments when his stuff
was searched does not rule out he had it when he lived on Neely.
> BOY THAT OSWALD WAS A REAL GUN NUT IN THE MARINE CORPS...YOU CAN TELL
> BY THE WAY HE TOOK CARE OF HIS WEAPON:
Delagdo also related how Oz was performing all the obligations of
Marine life in a slipshod manner during this period. This is whythere
is no reason to believe his last shooting score represented his best
effort.
Gil Jesus
> On Dec 13, 5:40 pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > We're still waiting for the trolls to tell us whether or not gun
> > cleaning equipment was found among Oswald's possessions during the
> > searches of November 22-23 1963.
>
> � The cleaning Marina said she observed occurred when Oswald lived on
> Neely St.The practicing Oz told Marina about was no doubt in
> preparation for his attempt on Walker`s life, and the cleaning became
> necessary because he was using the rifle during this period.
You have evidence that he was "using the rifle during this period" or
are you just talking out of your ass again ?
>He moved
> several times between when he lived on Neely and when his belongings
> were searched. Him not having gun cleaning impliments when his stuff
> was searched does not rule out he had it when he lived on Neely.
She also said that he buried the gun AFTER the Walker shooting.
Do you have evidence that the rifle was cleaned after it had been
buried ?
Bud
> On Dec 13, 6:25 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 13, 5:40 pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > We're still waiting for the trolls to tell us whether or not gun
> > > cleaning equipment was found among Oswald's possessions during the
> > > searches of November 22-23 1963.
>
> > The cleaning Marina said she observed occurred when Oswald lived on
> > Neely St.The practicing Oz told Marina about was no doubt in
> > preparation for his attempt on Walker`s life, and the cleaning became
> > necessary because he was using the rifle during this period.
>
> You have evidence that he was "using the rifle during this period" or
> are you just talking out of your ass again ?
Read Marina`s testimony, idiot. That is evidence, idiot.
> >He moved
> > several times between when he lived on Neely and when his belongings
> > were searched. Him not having gun cleaning impliments when his stuff
> > was searched does not rule out he had it when he lived on Neely.
>
> She also said that he buried the gun AFTER the Walker shooting.
>
> Do you have evidence that the rifle was cleaned after it had been
> buried ?
Marina said he had buried it "it seems to me", which only means that
is her impression of what he related. That doesn`t mean it had to been
buried in the ground.
Chuck Schuyler
It's pretty clear that no one has any Oswald-as-assassin evidence that
meets your high kook standards.
Funny, then, that you imply John Connally shot JFK, or a sewer shooter
shot at the limo or whatever.
Where's your evidence for your outrageous assassination scenarios, and
why don't you post it so we can see what you have?
(Crickets chirping...)
tims...@gmail.com
No Gil. I said there is no evidence that Oswald was interested in
winning any civilian shooting prizes, unless you got some, Gilly.
There is anecdotal evidence that he dry fired the rifle constantly in
New Orleans and let's not forget his potshot at General Walker, eh
Gil?
Whoever made that last point (Chuck or Bud) sure blew your nonsense
out of the water, LOL!
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
aeffects
so what is a pistol-packin fudge packer such as yourself doing
supporting the WCR? Especially from way down-undah in Fresno? Kookster?
tims...@gmail.com
He spent hours dry firing the rifle according to Marina, Gilly.
Even someone as hopelessly unaquainted with the case as you must have
gleaned that fact by now, Gilly.
LOL! Mate, your [sic] hopless.
Concerned Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
aeffects
the 3 KOOK amigos, how quaint.... ROTFLMFAO!
tims...@gmail.com
You seem to be short on mates these days, Healy. Where's Yella Pants
when you need him? LOL! Guess he's hiding behind his <snicker>
killfilter eh, Toots?
Amused Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
Gil Jesus
> New Orleans and let's not forget his potshot at General Walker, eh
> Gil?
Hi Timmy:
Explain to us what "dry firing" a weapon is and exactly how one hones
his shooting skills by using this method, Timmy ?
Gil Jesus
>
> � Marina said he had buried it "it seems to me", which only means that
> is her impression of what he related. That doesn`t mean it had to been
> buried in the ground.
Where does Marina say in her testimony that it was "her impression of
what he related" ?
Read Marina`s testimony, idiot. That is evidence, idiot.
Mrs. OSWALD. No; the day Lee shot at Walker, he buried the rifle
because when he came home and told me that he shot at General Walker
and I asked him where the rifle was and he said he buried it.
(11 H 293 )
Now does "he said he buried it" sound like it was just her impression
of what he said, idiot ?
In addition, the WC never considered that her testimony was just her
"impression" and that the weapon wasn't "buried in the ground".
Mr. JENNER. All right, sir. Now, the Commission is interested, Mr.
Surrey, in whether there are some open areas or fields near General
Walker's house in which an object such as a firearm or rifle could be
buried.
Mr. SURREY. Directly across from in front of the house--of course,
Turtle Creek Boulevard, and across from Turtle Creek Boulevard is
Turtle Creek itself, with a lawn area coming up to the street of 20 to
30 yards in some places.
( 5 H 435 )
Bud
Dry firing is working the bolt and pulling the trigger of an
unloaded weapon. Many of the people who tried to duplicate Oswald`s
shooting failed because the rifle jammed on them. Some time spent
working the bolt may have helped cut down the instances of this.
Bud
> On Dec 13, 7:35 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Marina said he had buried it "it seems to me", which only means that
> > is her impression of what he related. That doesn`t mean it had to been
> > buried in the ground.
>
> Where does Marina say in her testimony that it was "her impression of
> what he related" ?
She indicates it when she says "it seems to me". People often use
such qualifiers when they want to denote that they are not positive
the information they are supplying is factual.She knows that her
understanding of English, and her memory prevent her from stating it
as fact (plus the fact that she wasn`t there). Oswald may have covered
it with debris at a junkyard, and she understood him to say it was
buried. Unlikely Oswald would bury it in the ground, did he have a
shovel with him? It`s hard to dig without one.
> Read Marina`s testimony, idiot. That is evidence, idiot.
>
> Mrs. OSWALD. No; the day Lee shot at Walker, he buried the rifle
> because when he came home and told me that he shot at General Walker
> and I asked him where the rifle was and he said he buried it.
>
> (11 H 293 )
>
> Now does "he said he buried it" sound like it was just her impression
> of what he said, idiot ?
Is that all she said, idiot, or did she mention the "burying"
elsewhere?
"He said that he had left it, that he had buried it, it seems to me,
somewhere far from that place, because dogs could find it by smell."
When she says "it seems to me", she is indicating that she isn`t
certain of the information (whether because of memory, translation,
wasn`t paying a lot of attention or whatever reason). This occurs a
lot, witnesses use qualifiers to indicate they are giving their best
guesses (like "about", "around"), and kooks pretend the information is
rock solid so they can begin formulating their wacky scenarios using
the information the witness supplied. Kooks just don`t understand
these simple things, they aren`t investigators, they are idiots.
> In addition, the WC never considered that her testimony was just her
> "impression" and that the weapon wasn't "buried in the ground".
>
> Mr. JENNER. All right, sir. Now, the Commission is interested, Mr.
> Surrey, in whether there are some open areas or fields near General
> Walker's house in which an object such as a firearm or rifle could be
> buried.
>
> Mr. SURREY. Directly across from in front of the house--of course,
> Turtle Creek Boulevard, and across from Turtle Creek Boulevard is
> Turtle Creek itself, with a lawn area coming up to the street of 20 to
> 30 yards in some places.
Unlikely he would shoot, go across the street, and dig a hole and
bury his rifle. Marina indicated it was far from Walker`s house, and
gave a reason that Lee must have suplied (because dogs could smell
it).
Walt
> On Dec 13, 2:56 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > No, you have it backwards, Chuckles
>
> > > The logical reasoning is that the bullets/fragments ballistically
> > > match Oswald's rifle-found on the 6th floor of the building he worked
> > > at, and fled from. You could probably almost convict on just that
> > > evidence alone, although there is so much more that points to Oswald.
>
> > The NAA amd spectrographic tests used by the FBI to "match" the bullet
> > fragments to the WCC ammo are flawed and no longer in use by the
> > Bureau.
>
> > As such, they are no longer "evidence".
>
> CE399 and the large fragments recovered from the limo are
> ballistically tied to Lee's Carcano to the exclusion of any other
> rifle.
Chuck.... Hoover said the fragments matched..... But we now know that
he was using voo-doo and... "The NAA amd spectrographic tests used by
the FBI to "match" the bullet fragments to the WCC ammo are flawed and
no longer in use by the Bureau."
>
>
>
> > > You presume Oswald didn't do it, so CTers like you invent colorful
> > > scenarios like forged film, fake Zapruders, LBJ planned it, Big Oil
> > > was mad about the oil depletion allowance, etc.
Chuck, I KNOW Lee Oswald was NOT the sixth floor sniper. I KNOW that
because ALL of the witnesses who saw the man on the sixth floor
DESCRIBED a man who was NOT Lee Oswald.
>
> > Just how far would one go to prevent prosecution for murder if one
> > possessed the "evidence" ?
>
> Your theories are a bridge too far.
>
>
>
> > > Whether Oswald was a good shot or not, or whether better marksmen can
> > > duplicate what happened doesn't matter.
>
> > Yes it does. If it couldn't be done it was IMPOSSIBLE.
>
C'mon, Gil ...do you deny someone was firing at the motorcade from
the
TSBD?
Actually I'm NOT convinced .... eventhough Howard Brennan "thought"
the man in the west end window was firing a hunting rifle from that
window.
Do you deny that the physical evidence is overwhelming?
Absolutely...NONE of the physical evidence proves that Oswald was the
killer.
Do you deny that the rifle was Oswald's?
I'm not convinced that Oswald actually OWNED that rifle. I believe he
DID order it from Kleins Sporting goods but someone else bought the
postal money order, and gave it to him to send to Kleins to purchase
the rifle.
That he worked there?
Yes, he did work at the TSBD.... But how did he get that job AFTER the
seasonal rush was over and Truly had already started laying off order
fillers??
That he fled the building within a few minutes of the shooting?
Fled?.... Oswald did in fact leave the building, and he stood around
outside for a few minutes before leaving to go to the Texas Theater.
That the autopsy says JFK was struck once in the back with a bullet
exiting his neck,
and once in the back of the head with the bullet blowing out the
front/ side?
We both know that the autopsy is very very controversial....
>
>
>
> > > The evidence shows that a man in a building shot at a man in a car. He
> > > killed one and wounded one.
I don't believe it!
>
> > And the tooth fairy is real because when you were a kid, you left a
> > tooth under your pillow and when you woke up, you'd gotten money for
> > it.
>
> "Tooth Fairy" and other fantasies are the provenence of CTers who
> believe thousands of people teamed up to murder JFK for dozens of
> different reasons, coordinated by multiple agencies, aided by the
> national press, sanctioned at the highest level of government, and
> agreeing to continue the cover-up to this day.
>
>
>
> > > And Oswald was more than a competent enough shooter to fire three
> > > shots in around 8.3 seconds and hit someone 88 yards away.
>
Question:... Show us how Oswald was "competent enough" by providing
evidence that Oswald practiced with ANY weapon in the 4 years prior to
the assassination.
Answer:.... General Walker.
Very poor answer.... General Walker was SITTING STATIONARY behind a
window in a well lit room and yet Oswald MISSED hitting him from less
than 100 feet away. THAT is extremely poor marksmanship....and yet
you present it to support the idea that Oswald was a crack shot who
could shoot better than the very best sharpshooters in the
world..
aeffects
> TOP POST
>
> You seem to be short on mates these days, Healy. Where's Yella Pants
> when you need him? LOL! Guess he's hiding behind his <snicker>
> killfilter eh, Toots?
you're a TROLL, albeit a Fresno down-undah troll. Hence, you've got
ZERO to offer here. I slap you and the rest of Lone Nut idiots around
to simply keep you here..... someone has to do it, we simply need to
display Lone Nut-WCR idiocy at every turn. The growing *acj*
subscription rate is a testament to that effort..... Please, don't
leave. And do-tell, tell Slamin Samantha Brown of Four Elephants fame
to get that tuna infested bod back in here, I need to talk to her
Hollyweird film-compositing brother..... chop-chop!
muc...@gmail.com
> On Dec 14, 12:35 am, timst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > TOP POST
>
> > You seem to be short on mates these days, Healy. Where's Yella Pants
> > when you need him? LOL! Guess he's hiding behind his <snicker>
> > killfilter eh, Toots?
>
> you're a TROLL, albeit a Fresno down-undah troll. Hence, you've got
> ZERO to offer here. I slap you and the rest of Lone Nut idiots around
> to simply keep you here..... someone has to do it, we simply need to
> display Lone Nut-WCR idiocy at every turn. The growing *acj*
> subscription rate is a testament to that effort..... Please, don't
> leave. And do-tell, tell Slamin Samantha Brown of Four Elephants fame
> to get that tuna infested bod back in here, I need to talk to her
> Hollyweird film-compositing brother..... chop-chop!
The above verbiage comes, of course, from the newsgroup equivalent of
a Wimbledon streaker (except that the average Wimbledom streaker
probably knows more about the JFK case than he does).
awthr...@gmail.com
> MIDDLE POST
>
> On Dec 13, 2:13 pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 12 Dec, 20:30, timst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > TOP POST
>
> > > Hi Gilly,
>
> > > LOL! Who gives a stuff how many he won as a civilian, Gilly? He'd
> > > already qualified as a Sharpshooter in the USMC and got a medal for
> > > it, Gilly.
>
>
> > First off "sharpshooter" is NOT that great.... Every Marine has to
> > nothing less is acceptable... quite often a recruit's coach will
> > "help" him qualify.
>
> *nothing less is acceptable*?
>
> > Secondly ....A man can learn to fire a particular rifle with a good
> > degree of accuracy, but he may not be able to hit the broadside of a
> > barn with some other rifle. Oswald qualified as "sharpshooter with
> > the M-1 Garand.... There is a vast difference between an M-1 Garand
> > and a Mannlicher Carcano. The M-1 is a much higher quality rifle. It
> > is a semi automatic rifle with a good trigger, and excellent "peep"
> > sights The Mannlicher Carcano is a much lower quality rifle with an
> > abominable trigger, and lousy open "V" notch sights.
>
>
> QUOTE ON:
>
> a sharpshooter qualification indicates a fairly good "shot". I trust
> the foregoing will serve the purpose of your inquiry.
>
> [s] A.G. Folsom Jr.
>
> A.G. FOLSOM, JR.
> Lieutenant Colonel U.S. Marine Corps
> Head, Records Branch, Personnel Department
> By direction of the Commandant of the Marine Corps
>
> Encl:
> (1) Copies of MARCOR Regs
> describing marksmanship courses
>
> QUOTE OFF
>
> > Only an idiot or a liar would present the idea that since Oswald fired
> > an M-1 and qualified as "sharpshooter" in 1956 after weeks of training
> > with the rifle could still fire a cranky, old, worn, and rusty
> > Mannlicher Carcano better than the world's best rifleman seven years
> > later.
>
> knew about Oswald and the he was one of JFK's agents trying to
> infiltrate his way into Castro's Cuba. I believe you presented just
> such a scenario, Walt.
>
> BTW, Walt, how many yards was Oswald firing over when he shot
> Sharpshooter, as opposed to how many yards he fired over from the TSBD
> to Kennedy? It was many yards less from the TSBD to JFK, wasn't it
> Walt?
>
> Yer [sic] an idiot and a liar in my book, Walt.
>
> Uncordial Regards,
>
> Tim Brennan
> Sydney, Australia
> *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
>
>
>
> > > awards, Gilly? Doesn't mean he couldn't shoot straight though, does it
> > > Gilly? He was bang on target when he murdered JFK, wasn't he Gil?
>
>
> > > Tim Brennan
> > > Sydney, Australia
> > > *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
>
>
> > > > On Dec 12, 6:07 pm, timst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > Hi All,
>
> > > > > Those interested in whether Oswald could shoot or not might be
> > > > > interested in the attached:
>
> > > > >http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?absPageId...
>
> > > > > It shows that a Sharpshooters medal was found among Oswald's
> > > > > as a Sharpshooter in the USMC.
>
> > > > > Regards,
>
> > > > > Tim Brennan
> > > > > Sydney, Australia
> > > > > *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
>
>
> > > > How many shooting awards did Oswald achieve as a civilian ?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
When I was a child of about 12, we had a marksmanship class. There
were 10 or more ratings. Sharpshooter was #9. The only rating lower
was whatever we neophytes were called when we were trying to get 'up'
to sharpshooter.
David Von Pein
>>> "When I was a child of about 12..." <<<
Last year, wasn't it?
>>> "...we had a marksmanship class." <<<
You were shooting guns in a "marksmanship class" at age 12??
Gee, how sweet.
How did your parents feel about their 12-year-old offspring being
taught a course in firearms?
Unbelievable.
Walt
That's exactly what Oswald thought would happen.... Dogs would be
used to track the "attempted murderer" and so he left the rifle
"buried under a pile of brush where the police dogs would easily find
it. When the cops found that unusual rifle they would trace it to his
PO Box and discover that a "Castro lovin commie" named Lee Oswald had
fled the country after attempting to shoot one of Castro's most vocal,
high profile foes.
The silly plot failed for a number of reasons, not the least of which
is the fact that the cops didn't take the shooting all that
seriously..... It was just another routine crime like a car theft...
They went through the motions, filed a report and
then went back to the doughnut shop to flirt with Suzie.
>
> When she says "it seems to me", she is indicating that she isn`t
> certain of the information (whether because of memory, translation,
> wasn`t paying a lot of attention or whatever reason). This occurs a
> lot, witnesses use qualifiers to indicate they are giving their best
> guesses (like "about", "around"), and kooks pretend the information is
> rock solid so they can begin formulating their wacky scenarios using
> the information the witness supplied. Kooks just don`t understand
> these simple things, they aren`t investigators, they are idiots.
>
> > In addition, the WC never considered that her testimony was just her
> > "impression" and that the weapon wasn't "buried in the ground".
>
> > Mr. JENNER. All right, sir. Now, the Commission is interested, Mr.
> > Surrey, in whether there are some open areas or fields near General
> > Walker's house in which an object such as a firearm or rifle could be
> > buried.
>
> > Mr. SURREY. Directly across from in front of the house--of course,
> > Turtle Creek Boulevard, and across from Turtle Creek Boulevard is
> > Turtle Creek itself, with a lawn area coming up to the street of 20 to
> > 30 yards in some places.
>
> Unlikely he would shoot, go across the street, and dig a hole and
> bury his rifle. Marina indicated it was far from Walker`s house, and
> gave a reason that Lee must have suplied (because dogs could smell
> it).
>
>
>
> > ( 5 H 435 )- Hide quoted text -
Chuck Schuyler
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Oswald wasn't a crack shot, and the shooting didn't require a crack
shot to carry it out. Oswald was competent, and his Marine Corp scores
prove it. On 11/22/63, he aimed the rifle, shot once and missed, tried
again and scored, and had time to squeeze one more round off that
unfortunately blew Kennedy's brains out. 88 yards. A good baseball
player can throw a ball that far.
Oswald was a punk. He snuck his rifle in the building and got lucky no
one was on the sixth floor at 1230pm when he began his spree shooting
rampage.
Leave your feelings and hunches and beliefs out of it. The physical
evidence says he did it.
Walt
Oh really Chuck... If you're correct, then why did the Warren
Commission seek the very best rifleman in the world to try to
duplicate the feat that they attributed to Oswald. NONE of those
experts were able to duplicate the feat. If it didn't require an
expert rifleman why didn't they just get any ex- GI to try to reinact
the feat??
Please answer these questions, Chuck.
Oswald was competent, and his Marine Corp scores prove it.
You're living in a world of make believe and denial, Chuck. In your
heart you know that LHO's marine records are NOT proof that he could
fire a bolt action Mannlicher Carcano with the same degree of accuracy
that he fired a M-1 rifle seven years earlier.
On 11/22/63, he aimed the rifle, shot once and missed, tried again
and scored, and had time to squeeze one more round off that
unfortunately blew Kennedy's brains out.
That's silly, chuck..... The first shot should be the most accurate
shot because a rifleman has the most time to acquire his target in his
sights and squeeze the trigger. Any shot after that first shot has
to be fired hastily.
You'll got to ridiculous lengths to deny the truth won't you Chuck?
88 yards. A good baseball player can throw a ball that far.
>
> Oswald was a punk. He snuck his rifle in the building and got lucky no
> one was on the sixth floor at 1230pm when he began his spree shooting
> rampage.
You are forced to believe that, because you lack the guts to face the
truth.
>
> Leave your feelings and hunches and beliefs out of it. The physical
> evidence says he did it.- Hide quoted text -
robcap...@netscape.com
> On 12 Dec, 20:30, timst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > TOP POST
>
> > Hi Gilly,
>
> > LOL! Who gives a stuff how many he won as a civilian, Gilly? He'd
> > already qualified as a Sharpshooter in the USMC and got a medal for
> > it, Gilly.
>
> Oh, fer Christ's sake.... How damned dumb are you??
>
> First off "sharpshooter" is NOT that great.... Every Marine has to
> qualify as a "sharpshooter" because nothing less is acceptable. Since
> nothing less is acceptable... quite often a recruit's coach will
> "help" him qualify.
>
> degree of accuracy, but he may not be able to hit the broadside of a
> barn with some other rifle. Oswald qualified as "sharpshooter with
> the M-1 Garand.... There is a vast difference between an M-1 Garand
> and a Mannlicher Carcano. The M-1 is a much higher quality rifle. It
> is a semi automatic rifle with a good trigger, and excellent "peep"
> sights The Mannlicher Carcano is a much lower quality rifle with an
> abominable trigger, and lousy open "V" notch sights.
This is a very good point. I have also wondered if he was the real
killer, which he was NOT, why wouldn't he just use the M-1 in the
first place? Other than Marina the WC found NO ONE who could say they
saw LHO practice wiht the MC at all, so how did he get familiar with
the weapon in the first place?
> Only an idiot or a liar would present the idea that since Oswald fired
> an M-1 and qualified as "sharpshooter" in 1956 after weeks of training
> with the rifle could still fire a cranky, old, worn, and rusty
> Mannlicher Carcano better than the world's best rifleman seven years
> later.
Especially when one considers the difference between the shooting
sequence in DP and a shooting range!
robcap...@netscape.com
> On 13 Dec, 07:05, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 13, 4:02 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 12, 9:30 pm, timst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > TOP POST
>
> > > > Hi Gilly,
>
> > > > LOL! Who gives a stuff how many he won as a civilian, Gilly? He'd
> > > > already qualified as a Sharpshooter in the USMC and got a medal for
> > > > it, Gilly.
>
> > > > awards, Gilly? Doesn't mean he couldn't shoot straight though, does it
> > > > Gilly? He was bang on target when he murdered JFK, wasn't he Gil?
>
>
> > > You seem to be saying that Oswald showed NO interest in shooting or
> > > ever practiced as a civilian, then went into the Marine Corps and
> > > qualified as a "sharpshooter", then again showed no interest and never
> > > practiced after leaving the Corps in 1959,
>
>
> "THOUGHT" he "MIGHT" have practiced??? To Marina "practicing" with
> a rifle was putting the rifle to your shoulder and aiming it. THAT is
> NOT practicing FIRING the rifle!! There is a VAST difference!!
>
> There is evidence of him cleaning it, which would indicate he shot it.
>
> Pure BS!!.... Oswald had nothing to clean the bore with..... It takes
> a gun cleaning kit with a cleaning rod and powder solvent, to clean a
> rifle's bore after it has been fired. Oswald never had any gun
> cleaning equipment. Wiping down the exterior surfaces of a rifles is
> NOT cleaning it..... in the way you dishonestly imply.
> But,
>
> > this raises the question of why a non-hunter, non-shooter like Oswald
> > with limited funds would purchase an item like a rifle at all. The
> > answer, of course, is that he bought the rifle to hunt fascists.
>
> Nonsense...Oswald ordered the rifle by mail order so he would have a
> easily tracable unusual rifle as a stage prop in the staged shooting
> at Walker's house.
Unfortunately for the WC there is NO proof for this theory and
speculation. They failed to prove LHO ordered any weapon, but most
especially the 40" Carcano, and they failed to prove LHO ever fired on
Gen. Walker. Besides, LHO supposedly buried the Carcano after he shot
at the General according to him (as relayed by the very unreliable
Marina) and they NEVER told us when he would have gone back and dug it
up and cleaned it. Of course the bullet found at the scene did NOT
match the Carcano either.
> > >and then 4 years later
> > > performed a shooting feat that has NOT been matched in the last 45
> > > years.
>
> > What shooting has ever been matched, Gil?
>
> > > That's quite a stretch, Timmy.- Hide quoted text -
Chuck Schuyler
> Oswald wasn't a crack shot, and the shooting didn't require a crack
> shot to carry it out.
>
> Oh really Chuck... If you're correct, then why did the Warren
> Commission seek the very best rifleman in the world to try to
> duplicate the feat that they attributed to Oswald. NONE of those
> experts were able to duplicate the feat. If it didn't require an
> expert rifleman why didn't they just get any ex- GI to try to reinact
> the feat??
>
> Please answer these questions, Chuck.
Look, Walt...the President had been assassinated. Do you really think
that putting anybody up there to duplicate the shots would've been
acceptable? If you have the resources, of course you bring in top-
notch talent. It's another example of the Warren Commission seeking
out excellent advise and real leaders in the various disciplines
required to properly investigate the crime.
Unlike kooks, the experts tasked with the job of sifting through
evidence had to come to real world conclusions about how the President
was killed, and make those findings known. The cops arrested the right
guy in a few hours. The Warren Commission looked at almost all of the
pertinent evidence and produced a massive tome with 26 supporting
volumes in 9 months that verified Oswald as the shooter. 45 plus years
later, kooks still can't figure out that a rifle is mailed to a P.O.
Box, not a person, or that the beveled wound on JFK's skull proves he
was only struck once in the head from behind.
This is why experts solve crimes, not hobbyists that build cardboard
models of Dealey Plaza.
>
> Oswald was competent, and his Marine Corp scores prove it.
>
> You're living in a world of make believe and denial, Chuck. In your
> heart you know that LHO's marine records are NOT proof that he could
> fire a bolt action Mannlicher Carcano with the same degree of accuracy
> that he fired a M-1 rifle seven years earlier.
You're comparing apples and oranges. In fact, I don't care if he'd
ever fired the Carcano in his life prior to 11/22/63. It's his rifle.
Ballistic evidence ties the rifle to the shells and bullet/fragments.
Fingerprint evidence. Fiber evidence from the blanket in the Paine
garage and the paper bag in the TSBD.
>
> On 11/22/63, he aimed the rifle, shot once and missed, tried again
> and scored, and had time to squeeze one more round off that
> unfortunately blew Kennedy's brains out.
>
> That's silly, chuck..... The first shot should be the most accurate
> shot because a rifleman has the most time to acquire his target in his
> sights and squeeze the trigger. Any shot after that first shot has
> to be fired hastily.
I agree that the first shot should've been the most accurate. So what?
Take your beliefs about what should be out of the mix. Sh*t happens.
Was Oswald extra nervous with the first round? Did the first shot nick
a tree branch? Who the heck knows? The evidence shows that the first
shot was the most inaccurate. I'll go with the evidence, you can
speculate and drive yourself crazy.
> You'll got to ridiculous lengths to deny the truth won't you Chuck?
No. A long time ago, I took my ego, my emotions and my feelings out of
the equation. I recognized that I don't have any formal training in
the areas involved in investigating a murder. I read about conspiracy
thinking. The mentality behind it. I read the entire Warren Commission
Report again, this time with fresh eyes and an open mind.
I began to see that the JFK assassination was a blank slate for kooks
with an agenda to bring their own political biases and beliefs into a
murder case--a high profile, unusual case, to be sure--but a case that
nonetheless involves the same elements any other murder case has. I
also began to see that many of the people touting a conspiracy were
shamefully disreputable. Mark Lane. Oliver Stone. Jim Garrison.
>
> 88 yards. A good baseball player can throw a ball that far.
> > Oswald was a punk. He snuck his rifle in the building and got lucky no
> > one was on the sixth floor at 1230pm when he began his spree shooting
> > rampage.
>
> You are forced to believe that, because you lack the guts to face the
> truth.
I believe in my own limitations and make no claim of expertise. You do
not recognize your own limitations and make claims of expertise you
obviously don't have. I may lack guts, but you amply prove at acj.
that you lack intelligence.
aeffects
> On Dec 15, 8:42 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> > Oswald wasn't a crack shot, and the shooting didn't require a crack
> > shot to carry it out.
>
> > Oh really Chuck... If you're correct, then why did the Warren
> > Commission seek the very best rifleman in the world to try to
> > duplicate the feat that they attributed to Oswald. NONE of those
> > experts were able to duplicate the feat. If it didn't require an
> > expert rifleman why didn't they just get any ex- GI to try to reinact
> > the feat??
>
> > Please answer these questions, Chuck.
>
> Look, Walt...the President had been assassinated. Do you really think
> that putting anybody up there to duplicate the shots would've been
> acceptable?
dance sweet gloria, dance..... Look Chuckie da Shoe Schuler (failed
reverse mortgage salesperson, aka ripoff arteeeeesssssstttttt)
--I doubt you could pick-up a MC much-let-alone shoot one, so sitdown
and STFU -- You might learn something, troll!
Bud
A better question might be why did they try to duplicate the feat at
all.
> NONE of those
> experts were able to duplicate the feat.
None of them practiced with that rifle. As Ben recently pointed out,
using another person`s rifle can have a very adverse effect for any
other shooter using that rifle.
> If it didn't require an
> expert rifleman why didn't they just get any ex- GI to try to reinact
> the feat??
Go for it. But let the ex-GI practice with the weapon to get
familiar with it. No testing took into account the amount of
practicing Oswald did with the rifle, and since that data in
unavailable, no testing is valid.
> Please answer these questions, Chuck.
>
> Oswald was competent, and his Marine Corp scores prove it.
>
> You're living in a world of make believe and denial, Chuck. In your
> heart you know that LHO's marine records are NOT proof that he could
> fire a bolt action Mannlicher Carcano with the same degree of accuracy
> that he fired a M-1 rifle seven years earlier.
He was taught by professional how to shoot.He proved he could be a
capable shooter when he wanted to.
> On 11/22/63, he aimed the rifle, shot once and missed, tried again
> and scored, and had time to squeeze one more round off that
> unfortunately blew Kennedy's brains out.
>
> That's silly, chuck.....
What is silly is saying Oswald couldn`t make those shots after it is
shown that he did.
>The first shot should be the most accurate
> shot because a rifleman has the most time to acquire his target in his
> sights and squeeze the trigger.
Basketball players sometimes make a long shot, and then miss an
easy lay-up. Easy shots don`t guarantee hits, and hard shots don`t
guarantee misses.
> Any shot after that first shot has
> to be fired hastily.
> You'll got to ridiculous lengths to deny the truth won't you Chuck?
>
> 88 yards. A good baseball player can throw a ball that far.
If soldiers couldn`t make this shot with a rifle, they`d still be
arming them with the longbow.
> > Oswald was a punk. He snuck his rifle in the building and got lucky no
> > one was on the sixth floor at 1230pm when he began his spree shooting
> > rampage.
>
> You are forced to believe that, because you lack the guts to face the
> truth.
That Oswald didn`t commit this crime is a retard`s fantasy.
aeffects
LMFAO! Thank GAWD you weren't in the ARMY or the Marine Corp. What-a-
Lone Nut KOOKster!
<snip the Lone Nut drivel>
Bud
> On Dec 15, 12:27 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
>
> LMFAO! Thank GAWD you weren't in the ARMY or the Marine Corp.
Really. The food they give the soldiers doesn`t look too
appetizing.
> What-a-
> Lone Nut KOOKster!
You were a soldier, maybe you can explain it to me. Why did they
give you guys rifles, and train you to use them if you couldn`t
actually hit the people you were aiming at with them?
aeffects
Vietnam <----- 50,000 US rounds expended for each enemy casualty
WW1 <--------- 7,000 US rounds
WW2 <--------- 25,000 US rounds
and Oswald was the worst of the worst.
Interesting numbers, eh?
Let me tell you what your problem is here, you equate a guy wanting to
get out of his house (Oswald) because of a lousy home-life. Further, a
guy who knew he'd skate after Marine Corps basic training (read:
assigned to a non combat arms unit) with guys wanting to be a grunt/
soldier (read: combat arms unit) that be me, and/or a few others on
this board)
Oswald simply didn't have the chops, sonny! He could not handle the
pressure knowing someone might shoot back.... some know things like
that.... primary reason why we survived! Simple as that!
Did you know there were 8,000 incidents of *FRIENDLY FIRE* during the
Vietnam War.... not unusual to see a green-grunt empty a clip and not
hit a taget within 50'.... especially is you ass is puckering up....
Its not the knowns, it's the unknowns that'll kill ya kid.... Hump the
bush with a infantry squad for 30 day's, you'll learn real fast who is
in the room with you, AND who can shoot!
Bud
> On Dec 15, 4:43 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 15, 5:54 pm, aeffects <aeffect...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 15, 12:27 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
>
> > > LMFAO! Thank GAWD you weren't in the ARMY or the Marine Corp.
>
> > Really. The food they give the soldiers doesn`t look too
> > appetizing.
>
> > > What-a-
> > > Lone Nut KOOKster!
>
> > You were a soldier, maybe you can explain it to me. Why did they
> > give you guys rifles, and train you to use them if you couldn`t
> > actually hit the people you were aiming at with them?
>
> Vietnam <----- 50,000 US rounds expended for each enemy casualty
>
> WW1 <--------- 7,000 US rounds
>
> WW2 <--------- 25,000 US rounds
>
> and Oswald was the worst of the worst.
>
> Interesting numbers, eh?
Yah. Those numbers speak loudest to the rifles used in those
respective wars, though.
> Let me tell you what your problem is here, you equate a guy wanting to
> get out of his house (Oswald) because of a lousy home-life. Further, a
> guy who knew he'd skate after Marine Corps basic training (read:
> assigned to a non combat arms unit) with guys wanting to be a grunt/
> soldier (read: combat arms unit) that be me, and/or a few others on
> this board)
Irrelevant to whether the guy could makes those shots.
> Oswald simply didn't have the chops, sonny! He could not handle the
> pressure knowing someone might shoot back....
His murder of Tippit shows this not to be true.
>some know things like
> that.... primary reason why we survived! Simple as that!
>
> Did you know there were 8,000 incidents of *FRIENDLY FIRE* during the
> Vietnam War.... not unusual to see a green-grunt empty a clip and not
> hit a taget within 50'.... especially is you ass is puckering up....
> Its not the knowns, it's the unknowns that'll kill ya kid.... Hump the
> bush with a infantry squad for 30 day's, you'll learn real fast who is
> in the room with you, AND who can shoot!
Judging by the bullets-to-casualty figures you produced, the answer
is none of you. Seems you`d inflict more damage of the enemy if you
just threw 50,000 bullets out of a plane.
Chuck Schuyler
> Vietnam <----- 50,000 US rounds expended for each enemy casualty
>
> WW1 <--------- 7,000 US rounds
>
> WW2 <--------- 25,000 US rounds
>
> and Oswald was the worst of the worst.
>
> Interesting numbers, eh?
You're a dolt.
The increase in rounds per casualty throughout the years is due in
large part to the increase in automatic weapons. And American soldiers
in particular don't need to worry too often about rationing fire. They
know that when they're engaged in a firefight and running low, other
Amereicans will move heaven and hell to make sure they have what they
need.
>
> Let me tell you what your problem is here, you equate a guy wanting to
> get out of his house (Oswald) because of a lousy home-life. Further, a
> guy who knew he'd skate after Marine Corps basic training (read:
> assigned to a non combat arms unit) with guys wanting to be a grunt/
> soldier (read: combat arms unit) that be me, and/or a few others on
> this board)
>
> Oswald simply didn't have the chops, sonny! He could not handle the
> pressure knowing someone might shoot back.... some know things like
> that.... primary reason why we survived! Simple as that!
And yet you dolts think Oswald was a cool as a cucumber secret agent.
You're a d*ckhead.
>
> Did you know there were 8,000 incidents of *FRIENDLY FIRE* during the
> Vietnam War.... not unusual to see a green-grunt empty a clip and not
> hit a taget within 50'.... especially is you ass is puckering up....
> Its not the knowns, it's the unknowns that'll kill ya kid.... Hump the
> bush with a infantry squad for 30 day's, you'll learn real fast who is
> in the room with you, AND who can shoot!
Healy? You've already stated that you were in 'Nam in 1963, and
shuffled papers in Saigon. You were a REMF.
For the uninitiated, during Vietnam the acronym REMF stood for Rear
Echelon Mother F*ck*r.
For the record, I'm less harsh than your fellow vets, and I'd like to
thank you for your service. You were probably 19, got drafted, did
your year, and came home. Good for you.
But don't pretend you were out humpin' the boonies leading a LRRP
( pronounced "LURP" Long Range Recon Patrol) in 1963.
Walt
Duh..... Dud you seem to have forgotten that all the practicing in the
worl would not compensate for the scope being mounted crooked. The
FBI testified that they had to shim up the scope before they could
even get the rifle to fire on target. Then they had to adjust the
scope to it's limit to get it to fire near the bullseye. That rifle
was a piece of junk with a worn bore. Not even the very best riflemen
in the world could fire a tight group with it. Oswald could have
practiced dry firing that piece of junk until he was old and gray and
his ability to fire it acurately would not have improved at all.....
because the rifle was incapable of delivering any accuracy.
>
> > Please answer these questions, Chuck.
>
> > Oswald was competent, and his Marine Corp scores prove it.
>
> > You're living in a world of make believe and denial, Chuck. In your
> > heart you know that LHO's marine records are NOT proof that he could
> > fire a bolt action Mannlicher Carcano with the same degree of accuracy
> > that he fired a M-1 rifle seven years earlier.
>
> He was taught by professional how to shoot.He proved he could be a
> capable shooter when he wanted to.
>
> > On 11/22/63, he aimed the rifle, shot once and missed, tried again
> > and scored, and had time to squeeze one more round off that
> > unfortunately blew Kennedy's brains out.
>
> > That's silly, chuck.....
>
> What is silly is saying Oswald couldn`t make those shots after it is
> shown that he did.
Circular reasoning.... You say Oswald could do it because he did....
What an idiot!!
>
> >The first shot should be the most accurate
> > shot because a rifleman has the most time to acquire his target in his
> > sights and squeeze the trigger.
>
> Basketball players sometimes make a long shot, and then miss an
> easy lay-up. Easy shots don`t guarantee hits, and hard shots don`t
> guarantee misses.
Do you have information that Oswald was playing basketball at the time
of the assassination??
>
> > Any shot after that first shot has
> > to be fired hastily.
> > You'll got to ridiculous lengths to deny the truth won't you Chuck?
>
> > 88 yards. A good baseball player can throw a ball that far.
>
> If soldiers couldn`t make this shot with a rifle, they`d still be
> arming them with the longbow.
An idiotic statement from an idiot..... No soldier in the world could
make the shot with THAT rifle, with the worn out barrel and the mis-
aligned scope.
>
> > > Oswald was a punk. He snuck his rifle in the building and got lucky no
> > > one was on the sixth floor at 1230pm when he began his spree shooting
> > > rampage.
>
> > You are forced to believe that, because you lack the guts to face the
> > truth.
>
> That Oswald didn`t commit this crime is a retard`s fantasy.
No it's not a fantasy......The Warren Report is a fantasy.
>
>
>
> > > Leave your feelings and hunches and beliefs out of it. The physical
> > > evidence says he did it.- Hide quoted text -
>
aeffects
hon, you been flogging that dog forever, get LHO in that 6th floor
window, we'll go from there
> >some know things like
> > that.... primary reason why we survived! Simple as that!
>
> > Did you know there were 8,000 incidents of *FRIENDLY FIRE* during the
> > Vietnam War.... not unusual to see a green-grunt empty a clip and not
> > hit a taget within 50'.... especially is you ass is puckering up....
> > Its not the knowns, it's the unknowns that'll kill ya kid.... Hump the
> > bush with a infantry squad for 30 day's, you'll learn real fast who is
> > in the room with you, AND who can shoot!
>
> Judging by the bullets-to-casualty figures you produced, the answer
> is none of you. Seems you`d inflict more damage of the enemy if you
> just threw 50,000 bullets out of a plane.
exactly what I expect from draft dodging coward..... carry on, troll!
aeffects
> On Dec 15, 8:21 pm, aeffects <aeffect...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Vietnam <----- 50,000 US rounds expended for each enemy casualty
>
> > WW1 <--------- 7,000 US rounds
>
> > WW2 <--------- 25,000 US rounds
>
> > and Oswald was the worst of the worst.
>
> > Interesting numbers, eh?
>
> You're a dolt.
listen coward, you've proved your meetle recently, hiding behind your
(fictious) brother when you got caught with your dick in your hand
lying about your latest alias..... carry on troll....
> The increase in rounds per casualty throughout the years is due in
> large part to the increase in automatic weapons.
duh......
And American soldiers
> in particular don't need to worry too often about rationing fire. They
> know that when they're engaged in a firefight and running low, other
> Amereicans will move heaven and hell to make sure they have what they
> need.
with that kind of rational thank GAWD you're a draft dodging
coward.... Carry on troll!
<snip the rest of Chuckie daShoe Schuler idiocy>
Bud
Exactly wrong. A shooter that knew about the problems the rifle had
could take measures to compensate. A person unfamiliar with the
weapon, no matter if he was the best shooter in the world, would not
know what compensation was necessary until after he practiced with it.
Also, the scope was taken off when the rifle was dusted for prints, so
they way it was when the FBI began shooting tests might not be how it
was when Oswald used it to kill Kennedy.
> The
> FBI testified that they had to shim up the scope before they could
> even get the rifle to fire on target. Then they had to adjust the
> scope to it's limit to get it to fire near the bullseye. That rifle
> was a piece of junk with a worn bore. Not even the very best riflemen
> in the world could fire a tight group with it.
Perhaps they could have had the had the same amount of practice time
Oswald had with it.
> Oswald could have
> practiced dry firing that piece of junk until he was old and gray and
> his ability to fire it acurately would not have improved at all.....
> because the rifle was incapable of delivering any accuracy.
You haven`t shown that rifle wasn`t accurate. You`ve offered
evidence the scope was faulty. And no one knows how much live fire
practice did with this weapon.
> > > Please answer these questions, Chuck.
>
> > > Oswald was competent, and his Marine Corp scores prove it.
>
> > > You're living in a world of make believe and denial, Chuck. In your
> > > heart you know that LHO's marine records are NOT proof that he could
> > > fire a bolt action Mannlicher Carcano with the same degree of accuracy
> > > that he fired a M-1 rifle seven years earlier.
>
> > He was taught by professional how to shoot.He proved he could be a
> > capable shooter when he wanted to.
>
> > > On 11/22/63, he aimed the rifle, shot once and missed, tried again
> > > and scored, and had time to squeeze one more round off that
> > > unfortunately blew Kennedy's brains out.
>
> > > That's silly, chuck.....
>
> > What is silly is saying Oswald couldn`t make those shots after it is
> > shown that he did.
>
> Circular reasoning.... You say Oswald could do it because he did....
> What an idiot!!
Not what I said at all, idiot. At said that silly to argue that he
couldn`t accomplish something after it is shown that he did.
> > >The first shot should be the most accurate
> > > shot because a rifleman has the most time to acquire his target in his
> > > sights and squeeze the trigger.
>
> > Basketball players sometimes make a long shot, and then miss an
> > easy lay-up. Easy shots don`t guarantee hits, and hard shots don`t
> > guarantee misses.
>
> Do you have information that Oswald was playing basketball at the time
> of the assassination??
It was an illustration of my point meant for those readers that
aren`t idiots. A shot that Oswald is 80% likely to make doesn`t
guarentee a hit, and a shot with only a 20% chance of success does not
guarantee a miss.
Bud
You think Tippit was shot from a 6th floor window?
Walt
Bull shit.... You obviously are not a hunter..... A skilled
rifleman can compensate for an elevation mis-adjustment, but he CANNOT
compensate for a lateral mis alignment at varying ranges. A skilled
rifleman can compensate for a minor horizontal mis-alignment if he's
firing at a known fixed range .... IF IF the rifle hits the same spot
on the target consecutively. ( if the rifle is capable of firing a
tight group) If the rifle is a piece of junk with a worn and rusty
bore , no rifleman in the world can fire it accurately, because there
is no way he can predict where the bullet will strike.
> guarentee a hit, and a shot with only ...
>
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tims...@gmail.com
Well, fortunately we're not dealing with what you did as a twelve year
old. What we're concerned with is how Lee Harvey Oswald qualified as a
Sharpshooter in the USMC. There are three different levels, Expert,
Sharpshooter and Marksman, according to this USMC communication about
how Oswald came to be rated Sharpshooter:
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/html/WH_Vol19_0017b.htm
Say, looks like if Oswald shot just a little better, he could have
been rated as Expert! Dunno what rating scale you were talking about,
but it has nothing to do with Oswald's shooting ability.
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
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