New "Reclaiming History" Newsgroup -- Dave Reitzes responds
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> REPRISE:
Dave Reitzes (today 05-18-2008) asked the following question: Dave Von
Pein responded immediately below the question -- Reclaiming History
friends and neighbors, has turned not only into a PR disaster, its
graduated to a --cluster fu*k--
Carry on Von pein
> >>> "David, Is this really necessary?" <<<
>
> Well, of course it's not really "necessary". None of these silly JFK-
> related forums is really "necessary". It's all a huge waste of time and
> energy, as we all know, because nobody is changing anybody's mind about
> the John F. Kennedy assassination one way or the other.
>
> I've never, ever ONCE heard somebody say this as a result of reading any
> LNer's comments on the various newsgroups/forums: "You know what, that guy
> makes a lot of sense; I was wrong; I now think Oswald acted alone."
>
> Has that ever happened to anybody here? If so, I've yet to hear about it.
> It certainly hasn't happened to me. And I KNOW I make a lot of "sense".
> <wink>
>
> So, as I said, these forums are purely for FYI and entertainment and
> opponent-bashing purposes only....as is quite obvious by reading pretty
> much anything written in the newsgroups.
>
> Having spouted the above forthright rant, I will also say that I'd like to
> think that a few of my LN-favoring posts, reviews, and assorted articles
> have met with some degree of approval and favorable head-nodding over the
> years....although certainly not by any members of the entrenched
> "Conspiracy" crowd (naturally).
>
> And since Google allows people to start up these "Newsgroups" for free and
> with very little effort, I decided to start one up devoted exclusively to
> Vince Bugliosi's "Book For The Ages" ["Reclaiming History"].
>
> I'm not allowing anybody else to post anything at all to the RH site,
> however, because I don't want it ruined by a bunch of meaningless
> "Bugliosi's nothing but a liar" crap from CTers (which would, of course,
> inevitably happen over the course of time).
>
> If that's called "censorship", so be it. Then I'm a censor. But since
> Google gives the group's "owner" a right to decide who can post and who
> can't, I'm going to take advantage of those options and "ownership"
> rights.
>
> So, is my "RH" Google site "necessary"? Hell, no. Of course it isn't. But
> I don't care. I like it anyway. :)
>
> Maybe next month I'll start up a new NG called: "The Wonders Of Watching
> Grass Grow".
>
> That site won't be the slightest bit "necessary" either; and it'll
> probably attract about the same number of visitors as my new "RH" site
> (anywhere from 0 to 2 per month). <Cheshire grin>
>
> www.DavidVonPein.blogspot.com
Gil Jesus
Von Pein has started a Google Group (not a Usenet newsgroup)
that doesn't allow anyone to post anything ?
So, who would want to join a group just to read HIS postings ?
Is his ego THAT large ?
Isn't he one of the bananaheads who trashed me for turning the
comments off on my videos ?
Well good luck with the new "group". Knowing how many "1 author" posts
he makes and how ultimately Von Pein ends up talking to himself, I'm
sure he'll be impressed with his ability to state his opinion and then
refer back to it as if it were fact.
And he calls us "kooks"......ROFLMAO
Phil Ossofee
join this group an get an 8 x 10 glossy of bugliosi. What i really want
though is that coffee mug. How about this one an autographed picture of
Reitzes and Von Pein, to see if it's that same one and only 5'7 230lb.
coke bottled, 4 eyed screwball of a guy. Phil D.
Gil Jesus
"YOU CANNOT POST MESSAGES BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT A MANAGER"
1 member, 1 poster
Classic propaganda site
http://groups.google.com/group/Reclaiming-History/topics?tsc=1
David Von Pein
Correct. Just the way I want it.
>>> "So, who would want to join a group just to read HIS postings? Is his ego THAT large?" <<<
Already had one person e-mail me about it.
>>> "Isn't he one of the bananaheads who trashed me for turning the comments off on my videos?" <<<
No...he isn't. I've never said a word about your "comments" switch. I
couldn't care less.
>>> "Well good luck with the new "group"." <<<
Thanks, Gil. You're sweet.
>>> "And he calls us "kooks"." <<<
Yep. Because you are.
David Von Pein
>>> "What i really want though is that coffee mug." <<<
The coffee mug offer comes next year. Right now, I'm pushing mouse
pads with an embossed logo -- "VB HAS RECLAIMED HISTORY" -- on them.
Really, really nice pads, too. Should I put you down for a dozen?
David Von Pein
>>> "Classic propaganda site." <<<
Hey, at least it's "classic". ;)
David Von Pein
>>> "I said Al "says"..." <<<
But the main point is: "Al" did not "say" those words -- I said them.
Al was quoting me. So to say that "Al says" is just silly. And
incorrect.
>>> "...since he [Al Fuller] wouldn't be making the quote unless he accepted it as true." <<<
Does that mean when Al (or I) quote the crazy things you say, it
indicates we accept those things "as true" just because we've quoted
them?
Some kooky rules you've got.
>>> "As a matter of fact, I thought the quote came from Bugliosi." <<<
Bull. I think you thought the whole post came from Al, which is why
you said "Al says".
>>> "If that's the best Von Pein can do against me (misfired ridicule), then I've won this debate..." <<<
You couldn't beat George Dubya in a debate -- and almost anybody on
the planet can beat him (even most conspiracy-happy kooks).
>>> "As I've said countless times..." <<<
Undoubtedly.
>>> "...the likes of Von Pein and Bugliosi have nothing to back up their ludicrous arguments concerning the JFK assassination." <<<
Yeah, having every single scrap of evidence (including every gun,
bullet, bullet shell, fingerprint, fiber, and LHO bald-faced lie) is,
indeed, "ludicrous" stuff with which to attempt to prove Lee Harvey
Oswald's sole guilt in the two murders he committed in Dallas...isn't
it?
Once more, folks...we're treated to a kook on the loose...with nary a
bullet (or a cohesive theory) to place on the assassination table.
>>> "That is why they [Von Pein & Bugliosi, in case you forgot the names] resort to ridicule and name-calling." <<<
Oh, that's not the reason we resort to name-calling. The evidence
speaks for itself--and always has. Oswald's guilty. And he was almost
certainly a LONE guilty party. But the name-calling ensues because
it's so darn much fun is all. (And so incredibly easy when confronted
by kooks like Dean Jackson.)
>>> "Quoting William Davy in his review of Bugliosi's terd of a book, specifically on Bugliosi's ad hominem attacks: "What strikes one most upon reading Bugliosi's work is the amount of ad hominem attacks he launches at the JFK research community. Few are spared Bugliosi's vitriol. Most are referred to as "zanies" (Bugliosi's favorite. It's even used in a chapter title).The Chief Military Analyst for the ARRB is called "insane," "obscenely irresponsible", "harebrained" and his theories "mad." Joachim Joesten, an early critic, is a "communist". Colonel Fletcher Prouty is a "wacky, right-winger." Mark Lane - a "left-winger." " <<<
Let's not leave out these Vincent Bugliosi gems, which are some of my
personal faves:
"The problem I have is this: Am I elevating Oliver Stone's movie
by holding it to be worthy of denigration? Only theoretically. The
denigration [within the pages of "Reclaiming History"] will be so
complete that to say Stone and his movie have been elevated would be a
contradiction. ....
"[Oliver Stone] wanted his movie, he wrote with towering
arrogance in the January 1992 edition of "Premiere" [magazine], to
"replace the Warren Commission Report." Can you imagine that? A
Hollywood producer wants his movie to REPLACE the official and most
comprehensive investigation of a crime in history. .... Arrogance
thought it already had a bad name. That was before it met Oliver
Stone." -- VB
------
"OLIVER STONE, IN HIS MOVIE 'JFK', NEVER SAW FIT TO PRESENT FOR
HIS AUDIENCE'S CONSIDERATION ONE SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT OSWALD
KILLED KENNEDY! So a murder case (the Kennedy assassination) where
there is an almost unprecedented amount of evidence of guilt against
the killer (Oswald) is presented to millions of moviegoers as one
where there wasn't one piece of evidence at all. There oughta be a law
against things like this." [All emphasis Bugliosi's.] -- VB
------
"Waiting for the conspiracy theorists to tell the truth is a
little like leaving the front-porch light on for Jimmy Hoffa." -- VB
------
"The conspiracy community regularly seizes on one slip of the
tongue, misunderstanding, or slight discrepancy to defeat twenty
pieces of solid evidence; accepts one witness of theirs, even if he or
she is a provable nut, as being far more credible than ten normal
witnesses on the other side; treats rumors, even questions, as the
equivalent of proof; leaps from the most minuscule of discoveries to
the grandest of conclusions; and insists that the failure to explain
everything perfectly negates all that is explained." -- VB
------
"Refusing to accept the plain truth, and dedicating their
existence for over forty years to convincing the American public of
the truth of their own charges, the critics have journeyed to the
outer margins of their imaginations. Along the way, they have split
hairs and then proceeded to split the split hairs, drawn far-fetched
and wholly unreasonable inferences from known facts, and literally
invented bogus facts from the grist of rumor and speculation." -- VB
------
"[Jim] Garrison, of course, smelled a rat in [James] Braden's
story and had his investigators pursue the matter. Remarkably and
unbelievably for Garrison, he concluded that "after sustained
analysis...it was clear that Braden's contribution to the
assassination was a large zero." When you can be cleared of conspiracy
in the Kennedy assassination by the likes of Jim Garrison, you must be
clean." -- VB
------
"Not the smallest speck of evidence has ever surfaced that any
of the conspiracy community's favorite groups (CIA, mob, etc.) was
involved, in any way, in the assassination. Not only the Warren
Commission, but the HSCA came to the same conclusion. But conspiracy
theorists, as suspicious as a cat in a new home, find occurrences and
events everywhere that feed their suspicions and their already strong
predilection to believe that the official version is wrong." -- VB
------
"One could safely say that David Lifton took folly to an
unprecedented level. And considering the monumental foolishness of his
colleagues in the conspiracy community, that's saying something." --
VB
------
"Playboy gave [Jim] Garrison the longest interview in the
history of the magazine in its October 1967 issue, 37 pages, and among
other radio and TV appearances, Mort Sahl got him on the Johnny Carson
show on January 31, 1968. "Johnny" may have been a comedian, but he
had a good, solid head on his shoulders, and he could spot a phony, or
at least an empty vessel, when he saw one." -- VB
------
"[Joan] Mellen's book [2005's "A Farewell To Justice"] is
dreadfully bad on all counts. All the completely discredited
witnesses, even mental cases, who had made bizarre allegations years
ago in the Shaw case...were actually, per Mellen, telling the
truth. .... There have been several pro-Garrison books before
[Mellen's], every one of them lacking in credibility, but hers is the
very worst. .... Where Mellen can't find some already well-known nut
in the Garrison case to rely on or tell her what she wants to hear,
she comes up with more obscure nuts. .... The Kennedy assassination
has already been polluted beyond all tolerable limits by nuts and
quacks and phony stories. Mellen is a university professor. How dare
she publish such misleading material on so serious a subject." -- VB
------
"NSAM 273 (November 26, 1963) does not, as [Oliver] Stone's
audience was told, reverse NSAM 263 (October 11, 1963). In fact, it
specifically REAFFIRMS Kennedy's decision to withdraw 1,000 troops
[from Vietnam] by the end of 1963. .... The main issue being discussed
by [Kennedy] and his advisers during the period of the October 2
[1963] memo and the October 11 NSAM 263 was not the withdrawal of
troops from Vietnam, but whether to support a coup of [Vietnam's
President] Diem. But we learned years later from a Hollywood producer
and his daffy adviser, Colonel Prouty, that the real coup being
contemplated at the time, and eventually carried out, was not against
Diem but against the president of the United States." -- VB
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"No evidence plus no common sense equals go home, zipper your
mouth up, take a walk, forget about it, get a life. Of course, the
hard-core conspiracy theorists, who desperately want to cling to their
illusions, are not going to do any of these things. .... If these
conspiracy theorists were to accept the truth, not only would they be
invalidating a major part of their past, but many would be forfeiting
their future. That's why talking to them about logic and common sense
is like talking to a man without ears. The bottom line is that they
WANT there to be a conspiracy and are constitutionally allergic to
anything that points away from it." -- VB
Ben Holmes
>
>Dave, let me get this straight:
>
>Von Pein has started a Google Group (not a Usenet newsgroup)
>that doesn't allow anyone to post anything ?
>
>So, who would want to join a group just to read HIS postings ?
>
>Is his ego THAT large ?
>
>Isn't he one of the bananaheads who trashed me for turning the
>comments off on my videos ?
Ah! "Hypocrite" strikes the right chord...
David Von Pein
GIL JESUS SAID:
>>> "Isn't he {DVP} one of the bananaheads who trashed me for turning the comments off on my videos?" <<<
BEN HOLMES THEN SAID:
>>> "Ah! "Hypocrite" strikes the right chord." <<<
DVP NOW SAYS:
Please note how Kook Holmes automatically believes the accusation
levelled against me by Kook Jesus re. the matter of Gil's "comments"
on his YouTube videos.
If Pussy Holmes would turn off the killfile, he could have then seen
my response, which was:
"No...he isn't {one of the "bananaheads" who trashed Jesus for
turning off the comments feature on his YouTube videos}. I've never
said a word about your "comments" switch. I couldn't care less." --
DVP
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son, ya been cornered.... even Lone Nutters think you've finally done
it....... you need help boy!
Walt
If they've got Da Bugs picture on em, and they're free.......I'd like
one, to put in the center of my dart board.
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