Protesting HBO's "Reclaiming History"
Steve
massive petition-writing campaign organized by some within the
conspiracy asylum to prevent HBO from completing and airing their
multi-part series dealing with Vince Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History."
I know nothing more of this alleged campaign than that. If this is
true, why on earth would the conspiracy nutjobs want to do this?
Since they are confident that the evidence doesn't point to Oswald
wouldn't they feel assured that a visual portrayal of Bugliosi's book
would only highlight the weakness of the lone nut position? It stands
to reason that the motive behind this campaign is a panic over the
possibility that finally, after 45 years, the actual evidence will be
examined in detail and many of the poor, unwashed, easily-duped masses
will see that the conspiracy emperor actually is wearing no clothing.
The conspiracy press has had America in a strangle hold for nearly
half-a-century and it appears they fear the jig is up. What other
possible motive could the conspiracy nuts have for panicking so
visably over a simple HBO production?
I heard about this on KID 590 AM here in Idaho Falls earlier last week
when a caller phoned in with this information.
David Von Pein
>>> "I recently heard in an interview that there is currently underway a massive petition-writing campaign organized by some within the conspiracy asylum to prevent HBO from completing and airing their multi-part series dealing with Vince Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History." I know nothing more of this alleged campaign than that. If this is true, why on earth would the conspiracy nutjobs want to do this? Since they are confident that the evidence doesn't point to Oswald wouldn't they feel assured that a visual portrayal of Bugliosi's book would only highlight the weakness of the lone nut position? It stands to reason that the motive behind this campaign is a panic over the possibility that finally, after 45 years, the actual evidence will be examined in detail and many of the poor, unwashed, easily-duped masses will see that the conspiracy emperor actually is wearing no clothing." <<<
The assassination of JFK has been examined (on film) in pretty good
detail already, and very accurately -- in 1964's "Four Days In
November" (produced by David L. Wolper through United Artists).
Of course, "Four Days" is only a 122-minute motion picture
documentary, whereas the "RH" miniseries will apparently be five times
that length; therefore much more "detail" can, of course, be explored
in the "RH" HBO series.
Debra Conway started a "protest" petition against Tom Hanks and the
"RH" miniseries almost immediately after the HBO project was announced
(which was in early June of 2007). But I believe Debra stopped the
petition after a few weeks (or months), and nothing more came of it,
AFAIK.
In any event, it's always a treat to watch the conspiracy mongers go a
little crazy with respect to the proposed "Reclaiming History"
miniseries.
I guess actually watching Oswald do it (alone) within a miniseries
that fleshes out a lot of the details that CTers always want to
sidestep or ignore (or misrepresent) might be a bit too difficult to
watch for many conspiracists.
On the other hand, I imagine that many CTers will simply ignore the
miniseries altogether. After all, nearly all conspiracy theorists
totally ignore the evidence in the JFK case anyway. So, ignoring ten
hours of HBO programming won't be too hard to do for the Anybody-But-
Oswald clique.
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"FOUR DAYS IN NOVEMBER" LINKS (AN EXCELLENT FILM, WORTHY OF MULTIPLE
VIEWINGS):
www.YouTube.com/view_play_list?p=33FE4B18F8CA43E5
www.Amazon.com/review/R1ACSVLKDMJIL2
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Chuck Schuyler
They are afraid their hobby will be ruined, and they are afraid
they'll need to finally look in the mirror and come to grips with the
fact that most of these dolts have spent decades wasting their time
when it could've been spent with friends, family or productiive
pursuits.
robc...@netscape.com
> I recently heard in an interview that there is currently underway a
> massive petition-writing campaign organized by some within the
> conspiracy asylum to prevent HBO from completing and airing their
> multi-part series dealing with Vince Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History."
Ah, teacher, it is their right to do this in a free society! Does
this Nazi teach his kids this junk too??
Where was Steve when the government cracked down on the History
Channel for airing the episode of the TMWKK that claimed LBJ was
involved?? Ever heard of the part that CONTENT was free from
government interference (via the FCC)?
Not only did HC back down they will never air anything now that does
NOT say LHO did it. Talk about censorship and a dictitorial way of
life, but old Steve has NO problem with that.
NO, he is more afraid that some concerned citizens (I sure hope some
of them are the parents of the kids he is brainwashing) have a problem
with a show that is full of lies and misrepresentations. I say way to
go folks as at the very least they will save all HBO subscribers from
having to see this junk.
> I know nothing more of this alleged campaign than that. If this is
> true, why on earth would the conspiracy nutjobs want to do this?
Because we, unlike you self-proclaimed teacher, have a PROBLEM with
lies and distortions where it concerns our way of life!
> Since they are confident that the evidence doesn't point to Oswald
> wouldn't they feel assured that a visual portrayal of Bugliosi's book
> would only highlight the weakness of the lone nut position?
It is one more step in the brainwashing process Steve, you know like
your class? See, NOT all of the 90% who know LHO did not act or act
alone know the evidence as well as the CTers on here so shows like
this with big name stars can be very helpful to the big lie as some
may say, "Well Tom Hanks is in it and he would do something that is so
blantly false" so it must be true. Wrong. He is controlled just like
everyone else in the major media is controlled.
YOU keep forgetting it is their right to protest if they want to.
> It stands
> to reason that the motive behind this campaign is a panic over the
> possibility that finally, after 45 years, the actual evidence will be
> examined in detail and many of the poor, unwashed, easily-duped masses
> will see that the conspiracy emperor actually is wearing no clothing.
LOL!!! Listen to this buffoon will you, the evidence has been
investigated and by 1965 more than half of Americans did NOT believe
LHO acted or acted alone. What time warp are you in?
> The conspiracy press has had America in a strangle hold for nearly
> half-a-century and it appears they fear the jig is up.
LOL!! Is this guy full of it or what?? The conspiracy press? What is
that??? The ony press in America works for the super-rich who own them
and spend billions in advertising on their channels, thus they will
say and do anything those folks want, NOT what a CTer says.
YOU went too far with this one teacher.
> What other
> possible motive could the conspiracy nuts have for panicking so
> visably over a simple HBO production?
It shows there are many Americans tired of all the lies. Here we are
45 years later and there is a chance a big movie will give us the same
lies that were exposed in 1965 to be lies as the truth. Enough! We
don't want our government to lie to us anymore (of course this will
never happen as lies come from our government like breath comes from
the rest of us) in this case and many others.
Simple HBO production?? How much are they spending on this "simple"
Steve
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You moron. Please point out in my post where I was implying the
conspiracy nuts shouldn't be allowed to protest. You are the idiot
you are often portrayed as being, dummy. I never stated or implied
that the nuts shouldn't be allowed to protest, I just find it humorous
they are so panicked over this production. Lone Nut advocates
couldn't care less when a conspiracy nut production airs, they all
self-destruct upon close examination anyway. You mentioned TMWWK.
This program has been 100% discredited with the Corsican connection,
Gordon Arnold, Badge Man, Robert Groden, et. al. All the conspiracy
press needs to do to look stupid is attempt to float another
conspiracy theory.
Or do you believe the Corsican Connection?
Or do you believe Gordon Arnold WAS on the Grassy Knoll?
Or do you believe Robert Groden's claims of six shots fired that day?
Or do you believe that "Badge Man" fired at the car and missed the
President, the Governor, their wives, the car itself, and everyone on
the other side of the street?
And incidentally, please give your source for "the government"
cracking down on TMWKK. It airs all the time on the History Channel,
you moron. Not much of a crack-down job was it? You exemplify the
conspiracy mentality I talk about with my students all the time. You
spend your life afraid of shadows and convinced the government is "out
to get you."
Incidentally idiot, please explain why a Republican-controlled
government under Bush would want to improve a Democratic president's
image (Lyndon Johnson). Apparantly you didn't think this one through
too clearly did you pal? Or was it only during Democratic
presidencies that this imaginary "crack-down" occurred.
I can't wait to share this post with my students. They can't get
enough of the conspiracy nuts mentality. You are an idiot.
tomnln
"Steve" <sahi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Steve does NOT like the movie "Executive Action".
Steve does NOT like the movie "JFK".
WHY does Steve like a movie based on Bugloisi's book?
It appears that Steve is ANOTHER who "teaches BEFORE studying".
Steve
> "Steve" <sahist...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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First of all "Executive Action" is openly a fictionalized account with
little factual basis.
Second of all, Oliver's Twist, "Dallas In Wonderland" has been totally
discredited and is filled with so many falsifications, distortions,
and outright lies why shouldn't a trained historian find fault with
it. If you want to start talking about JFK and its lies just let me
know and I will be happy to start a thread. But it won't be pretty
for you conspiracy crazies.
If you ever make it to college one of the first things you will learn
is how to examine an issue in light of logic, probabilities, and
coincidence. Not every event since the dawn of man has been a
conspiracy. Sorry to spoil your fantasies.
aeffects
Oh.... Steve-o-reno.... up to 90% of thinking US citizens believe JFK
was murdered by conspiracy. 75% of ALL US citizens believe he was
murdered by conspiracy -- when is your teaching credential up for
renewal, fer christsakes?
Steve
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So using YOUR logic if I was teaching in 1953 I should teach my
students that Blacks weren't equal to Whites. Huh? The majority of
Americans believed that at that time didn't they? You demonstrate
exactly why the uneducated shouldn't ever be entrusted with teaching.
If public opinion is your guideline rather than facts, logic, and
analysis then it is best you remain on the Internet where your
influence is minimal.
Thank heaven's scholarship doesn't rely on public opinion. You boast
of being published every chance you can, but it is clear your level of
scholarship is zero. When has anyone on this site read a scholarly
tome that refers to public opinion to establish an historical fact?
The only place public opinion weighs heavily is within the trash
Fetzer, White, et. al. piece together.
By the way, since a majority of the posters on this site think you are
mentally unstable does that establish that belief as fact? According
to YOU it does.
Not even O. Henry could appreciate that ironic twist sufficiently.
robc...@netscape.com
It doesn't matter what I believe Steve, the point is there should be a
way for all beliefs to be heard by as many people as possible. I for
one couldn't care less if it airs, but the media most definitely
favors the LN theory and attacks any CT theory. Why is that?
Not everything in the TMWKK has been discredited, you are lying
again. That series has won a lot of praise overseas, ONLY in America
where the BIG LIE lives has it been attacked. They advance theories
like your beloved WC did, but NONE of them is as crazy as the SBT!!
> And incidentally, please give your source for "the government"
> cracking down on TMWKK. It airs all the time on the History Channel,
> you moron. Not much of a crack-down job was it?
You are lying again Steve, they have NOT shown the episode where Barr
McClellan accusses LBJ since the crackdown (in fact I don't remember
seeing any of the episodes since then but I could be wrong). IF so
tell me when it aired recently.
You exemplify the
> conspiracy mentality I talk about with my students all the time. You
> spend your life afraid of shadows and convinced the government is "out
> to get you."
>
> Incidentally idiot, please explain why a Republican-controlled
> government under Bush would want to improve a Democratic president's
> image (Lyndon Johnson). Apparantly you didn't think this one through
> too clearly did you pal? Or was it only during Democratic
> presidencies that this imaginary "crack-down" occurred.
>
> I can't wait to share this post with my students. They can't get
> enough of the conspiracy nuts mentality. You are an idiot.- Hide quoted text -
robc...@netscape.com
> "Steve" <sahist...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
You are right Tom, he is just trying to keep his job by spreading the
BIG LIE to a new generation.
Steve
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You are so faull of crap. TMWKK praised overseas? It was in England
that Nigel Turner first ran afoul of British Broadcasting athorities
for the crap he pieced together. The fact that YOU think this is a
great piece of journalism reflects your lack of scholarship.
I noticed you conveniently ignored all of the nonsense depicted in
that mockumentary. Is there ANY scholar that gives TMWKK any
historical credence?
And if you think I am "guided" in what I teach by the "government" so
that I "keep my job" then you are more stupid than even I give you
credit for being. Is that the way you think the American education
system really operates? A government agent comes into my room, sits
me down, and threatens me that I better teach the LN version or else I
will get fired?
You ARE an idiot.
lazu...@webtv.net
side on major programs lasting more than hour-when they do( the only
time I can remember) as on TMWKK-it's good bye Warren Report-and
Bugliosi's book.
Just the thought of Bugliosi is nauseous... if we must see his ugly,
lying face..let's at least get Joan Mellen, Robert Groden, David Lifton,
Doug Horne, John Armstrong, John Newman, and Dick Russell say for equal
time....
tomnln
Steve wrote;
First of all "Executive Action" is openly a fictionalized account with
little factual basis.
Second of all, Oliver's Twist, "Dallas In Wonderland" has been totally
discredited and is filled with so many falsifications, distortions,
and outright lies why shouldn't a trained historian find fault with
it. If you want to start talking about JFK and its lies just let me
know and I will be happy to start a thread. But it won't be pretty
for you conspiracy crazies.
If you ever make it to college one of the first things you will learn
is how to examine an issue in light of logic, probabilities, and
coincidence. Not every event since the dawn of man has been a
conspiracy. Sorry to spoil your fantasies.
I write;
Speaking of "Fantasies"! ! !
I take that to mean that you REJECT the "SBT" ! ! !
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/single_bullet.htm
I've asked you in the past;
Tell me what you've read/studied on the JFK Assassination which Qualifies
you to "teach" the subject to a "Captive Audience"?
(Namely, your students who pay Thousands of dollar yearly)
You also seem to be RUNNING from these Proven Crimes by the authorities>>>
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/CASE%20DISMISSED.htm
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tomnln
"Steve" <sahi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I Write;
AGAIN;
Not a single word of evidence/testimony.
I respectfully remind you;
You must be a student BEFORE you are Qualified to teach !
Start HERE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/single_bullet.htm
aeffects
LMFAO Steve-o-reno -- come on shithead, you show up here once in
awhile to drag some dumb fuck troll out of the muck and mire and you
call that a majority? Further, there are no nutter scholarly tomes,
that started and ENDED with the WCR. Your nemisis shithead, learn to
deal with it..... Accepting reality is liberating -- VOTE Justme1952!
Get out the vote Shithead, the trolls need YOU!
justm...@gmail.com
You hit the nail on the head Steve when you said the nuts were in a
panic because Reclaiming History mini series is going to blow them out
of the water. Healy and his 90% of thinking minds...ROFLMAO, that 90%
didn't include Healy thats for sure.
Listen to them crying because their CT kooks aren't getting the chance
to have a mini series created about their fantasy theories with no
evidence. I'm sure Tom Hanks and HBO would rather file bankruptcy then
put those morons on television to make a laughing stock out of them,
then again it could be a good comedy series!
robc...@netscape.com
Read the "Treaty of 1783" and you will see our President reports to
the Monarchy of England still, and the Monarchy of England controls
all television in England, thus any program that defies the official
story is going to come under scrutiny and attack.
I believe they run these kind of shows just so they can attack them
and make them out to be "kooks". Ditto for Public Television here as
the majority of their funding comes from the government, no matter
what they claim during their fundraising specials. As I have told you
before, he who controls the funds control the message.
> I noticed you conveniently ignored all of the nonsense depicted in
> that mockumentary. Is there ANY scholar that gives TMWKK any
> historical credence?
I have all of the series and much of it is accurate, but I agree there
are parts I do NOT believe represent the truth. Take the Mexico City
part with the "Judith Vary Baker" episode, they confirm and make it
seem like he went with NO shadow of a doubt, and I strongly disagree
with that assumption.
But overall it is very good. In this case you have to be able to sift
through the material as NO one source is going to be totally
accurate. I have posted recently my strong disregard for the theory
Lamar Waldron has passed off (Ultimate Sacrifice), but again, he uses
many of the building blocks that many researchers have used for years,
it is where he takes this great work that I have a problem with.
To each his own, and a full knowledge of the evidence will prevent
anyone, CTer or LNer, from conning you.
> And if you think I am "guided" in what I teach by the "government" so
> that I "keep my job" then you are more stupid than even I give you
> credit for being.
You are barking up the wrong tree as I am quite familiar with how
academia works, and I know if you entered your classroom and began
deviating from the assigned thoery (LHO did it and did it alone) you
would be in trouble with the principal. In a college setting you may
get a little more leeway IF you are tenured and have a body of
respected work, but at the high school level, or lower, you are there
to teach what they tell you to teach.
> Is that the way you think the American education
> system really operates?
Pretty much. I was taught the same lies when I went to school too!
> A government agent comes into my room, sits
> me down, and threatens me that I better teach the LN version or else I
> will get fired?
They don't work like that and you know it. YOU get some warnings
first if you stray, and then they fire you if you continue. They then
give you bad references so no one else will hire you, or if they do,
they give you the shortest leash imaginable so you behave because you
are sooooo grateful to get another chance. Thus the truth dies. They
have it down to a science. NO pun intended as that area is totally
controlled by the funders.
> You ARE an idiot.
It would be sooo much easier for you IF I was, but alas, I'm NOT and I
see you for what you have become -- a sellout. I bet you had grand
plans when you were younger, but now you are paid to lie to a bunch of
young and impressionable kids. What did Jesus say about harming and
misleading kids again?
I here Hades is quite hot!
aeffects
of course you do, at 40grand a year, to boot...... it's no wonder you
moonlight here.....