Was Oswald "Planted" In The TSBD By Conspirators?
David Von Pein
Harvey
Oswald (who was the man who shot and killed President John Kennedy in
1963) was somehow "planted" in the Texas School Book Depository
Building by scheming plotters who were manipulating Oswald's every
move
to suit their "Patsy"-serving conspiratorial needs. But such talk is
just pure nonsense of the first order. And there are many, many
reasons
why it's nonsense. ......
While it is true that the Kennedy tour through Texas (including
Dallas)
had been announced initially in Dallas papers in September of 1963, a
month prior to Oswald's getting hired by Roy Truly at the Depository,
it's also quite true that neither Oswald nor any assassination-
planning
henchmen could have possibly known as of October 15th (which was the
date Oswald was hired by Mr. Truly) that a motorcade was going to take
President Kennedy's car directly past the front door of the Book
Depository on November 22nd. The decision to have a motorcade through
the city wasn't finalized until weeks after Oswald's mid-October TSBD
hiring, when such a parade through downtown Dallas was approved by
none
other than Texas Governor John B. Connally himself, who rode in the
very same car with JFK during the motorcade and became a second victim
of the Dallas shooting on November 22, 1963.
Therefore, no conspirators (nor Oswald himself even) could have known
of any motorcade drive through downtown Dallas by mid-October, let
alone that any such motorcade would take the President directly in
front of the Book Depository in the middle of a WORK DAY FOR OSWALD.*
* = Which brings up yet another oft-ignored little tidbit about this
subject -- i.e.: what if the President had toured Dallas on a Saturday
or a Sunday (instead of a work day, e.g. a Friday)? In such a case,
Oswald would not even have been working within the Book Depository
building at the time when the President drove by. That would have
tossed a nice irritating monkey wrench into the "Frame Oswald As The
Patsy" conspiracy plot, huh?
Therefore, to the CTers who believe such nonsense, it was yet another
amazing piece of good fortune for the people who "planted" Oswald in
the building to kill JFK, was it not? The President comes through
Dallas on a weekday, and just happens to drive slowly by the workplace
of Oswald, who had secured a job there a full month before any
conspirators (or Oswald) could have possibly known if the Depository
was even going to be a useable location to hide a sniper.
Incredible foresight by the "plotting team", indeed. Via such a plan,
these same conspirators must have had "Oswalds" planted in virtually
every building in Dallas, to ensure that Kennedy would pass at least
ONE of them.
~~ big grin at the absurdity of such a notion ~~
Two other major factors re. Oswald's employment status and how he
ended
up where he was on November 22nd ----
If Oswald was "planted" in the Depository building for the sole
purpose
of murdering the President a month later (as some people think; which
assumes, as alluded to before, that any "plotters" were clairvoyant),
then an accusing conspiratorial finger MUST be pointed at a number of
people who aided Oswald in getting hired at the TSBD in mid-October.
Namely: Ruth Paine (who made the call to the Book Depository on Lee's
behalf and set up an interview for Oswald) -- plus Marina Oswald and
Linnie Mae Randle, who were both present at the home of a neighbor of
Ruth Paine's (Dorothy Roberts) when the subject of "getting Lee a job"
was first brought up.
And, of course, Roy Truly, the Depository Superintendent, would also
have to be considered a KEY conspirator as well, since it was Roy who
actually HIRED Lee Oswald.
Plus: It's often forgotten that Truly could have assigned Oswald to
work at another branch of the TSBD Company, located miles from Dealey
Plaza and well away from the motorcade route.
So, if Truly was NOT a "conspirator", then it was mighty fortunate for
the people who WERE plotters to have Truly hire Oswald in the first
place (when he easily could have told Lee to get lost), PLUS to have
Truly place Oswald in the Depository branch on Elm Street where the
"plotters" needed to have Lee working on November 22. (And the
plotters
just prayed that Kennedy would come on a weekday, too, remember, when
Oswald would be working in the building.)
How anyone with a grain of sense can actually believe for a moment all
of that pro-CT hocus-pocus regarding Oswald getting his job, is beyond
me. The cloudy and shrouded-with-doubt conspiracy-slanted version of
these events re. Oswald's employment is so ridiculous and implausible
that it can easily be considered impossible (here in the "real" world,
that is, where CT-created miracles rarely, if ever, occur).
Any "CT" variation re. the neighbors who first suggested that the
Depository might have an opening is utterly unbelievable from every
angle (and would require multiple extra "conspirators", people who had
never met Lee Harvey Oswald in their lives, including 19-year-old
stock
boy Wes Frazier).
Can anyone believe that these (seemingly) invincible plotters somehow
"arranged" to have Marina Oswald live temporarily with Mrs. Paine, who
just happened to live only a half-block away from Wes Frazier, who
just
happened to work in the Depository and who just happened to mention to
his sister one day that a job at his workplace might be available, so
that Linnie (NOT Wesley) would just happen to casually mention this
possible job opening while having coffee at a neighbor's house (which
wasn't Ruth Paine's house either; it was at the house of Ruth's
next-door neighbor, Mrs. Roberts)?
And, how did the plotters "arrange" to not only have Lee hired at the
Elm St. warehouse, but how did they "arrange" for Oswald to even WANT
to go and apply for this job at the TSBD? What if Oswald would have
gotten different work the day before, which almost did happen. The
Texas Employment Commission, in fact, attempted to contact Oswald on
the very day he started working at the TSBD (October 16, 1963),
regarding an even better-paying job for an airline company.
So, another question needs to be addressed by the CTers who think
Oswald was "placed" in the Book Depository by evil-doers .... i.e.:
How
did any "plotters", needing Oswald to be in the TSBD on November 22nd,
know for certain that Oswald wouldn't just simply quit his Depository
job and take a job elsewhere prior to the President's November visit
to
Dallas?
And: How did these conspirators also know that Oswald wouldn't gain
employment someplace else prior to November 22? (He was looking for
work in early October, and had applied at several places, but was not
hired.)
The obvious "pro-LN" alternative to all that conspiratorial
sleight-of-hand is the "Occam's Razor" (simplest) explanation, which
is
1,000 times more believable (and doable) than any "Oswald Was Planted
In The Building" theory.
With that "LN" version of events being:
1.) Lee Oswald was out of work in early October of 1963 and needed to
find a job to support himself and his wife and his infant daughter
(with another baby on the way in a matter of days).
2.) By pure happenstance, a neighbor of Mrs. Ruth Paine's mentioned to
Ruth and Marina that a Depository job might be available (although she
was not sure of this).
3.) Marina and Ruth informed Lee about this job tip, and Lee went to
the Book Depository at 411 Elm Street the next day and was hired to
fill book orders for $1.25 an hour.
4.) Lee then seizes a perfect opportunity to strike back at an America
that he feels has snubbed him (just my guess as to part of his
motive),
and after probably reading about the detailed motorcade routing in the
newspaper on November 19 or 20 (which is the EARLIEST he could have
possibly known for certain that JFK would be driving right by the
Depository building), he prepares a last-minute, one-man plot all his
own -- arranging an unusual Thursday-night trek to Irving, Texas, to
visit the Paine home where his wife, Marina, is staying (to retrieve
the rifle he has stored in the garage there).
5.) Lee wraps up the disassembled rifle in brown paper and on Friday
morning tells his ride to work (Wesley Frazier) that the bulky package
contains "curtain rods" (a lie he conceived the previous day, when he
told Frazier that he needed the ride to Irving on Thursday to fetch
some "curtain rods" to put up in his apartment on Beckley Avenue; a
room which needed no curtains, or rods, by the way).
6.) By incredible good fortune (for him) Lee has the entire 6th Floor
of the Depository building to himself at exactly 12:30 P.M. on
November
22, just as the President is passing by below on Elm Street.
7.) Lee, who couldn't keep himself entirely hidden from people on the
OUTSIDE of the building, is seen by eyewitness Howard L. Brennan
firing
a rifle toward the direction of President Kennedy's limousine.
8.) Oswald is then seen by Dallas police officer Marrion Baker in the
2nd-Floor lunch room, approximately 90 seconds after the final of
three
shots had been fired at the President.
9.) Oswald is not surprised in the least to have Baker's gun thrust at
his mid-section for a brief moment. Why? Because Oswald, of all people
in Dealey Plaza, was THE ONE AND ONLY PERSON who already positively
KNEW why a cop would be searching that building at that time --
because
Oswald had caused this turmoil himself. So why SHOULD he be
"surprised"
to see the officer? He shouldn't. And wasn't.
-----------
Oswald had the means, a probable motive, a perfect opportunity on a
deserted 6th Floor, and the ability to accomplish the deed. These are
the things that add up to Lee Harvey Oswald's lone guilt in the murder
of President John F. Kennedy.
ANY conspiracy theory that would be used to counter the above simple,
based-on-the-evidence assessment pales by comparison (in both logic
and
common sense, as well as HARD EVIDENCE) to the Lone-Assassin scenario.
Always has.
David Von Pein
November 2005
(Re-Post)
Herbert Blenner
> Many conspiracy theorists seem to believe in the notion that Lee
> Harvey
> Oswald (who was the man who shot and killed President John Kennedy in
> 1963) was somehow "planted" in the Texas School Book Depository
> Building by scheming plotters who were manipulating Oswald's every
> move
> to suit their "Patsy"-serving conspiratorial needs.
Multiple Choice:
David is devoting many words to
A) an alternative scenario.
B) ridiculous speculations.
Herbert
David Von Pein
C.) A scenario that is positively believed in by XX number of
conspiracy theorists worldwide.
(I'll choose "C", Herb.)
Gil Jesus
>
>
> Multiple Choice:
>
> David is devoting many words to
>
> A) an alternative scenario.
>
> B) ridiculous speculations.
>
> Herbert
Herb, now you know why I call him Von Pinhead.
In September 1963, Governor Connally proposed a motorcade through
Dallas followed
by a luncheon and a flight to Austin.
Over a month before the trip, Kennedy advance man Jerry Bruno argued
against the motorcade route.
In late October, Bruno flew to Dallas to specifically meet with
Connally regarding the motorcade route.
Before he met Connally, he met with Senator Ralph Yarborough who
warned him that Johnson and Connally would be .."after John Kennedy in
a minute if they thought they could get away with it."
In his book, The Advanceman, Bruno describes the unusual and bitter
fight he had with Connally over the motorcade route. Connally was so
adamant that the parade route and luncheon site be followed that a
strong argument broke out.
Angrily, Connally went to the phone and made a call to the White
House. Although Bruno could only hear one side of the conversation and
he was never given to phone to speak to whoever was on the other end,
it appeared that the White House agreed with Connally. As a result,
Bruno relented and ceased his opposition.
After the assassination, Bruno learned that the White House hadn't
agreed with Connally at all.
Bruno claimed that in three years of serving the President, he never
encountered another group who refused to alter plans to accommodate
concerns for the President's safety.
According to members of the White House staff, Kennedy was having
second thoughts about going to Texas thanks to his advisors.
But on October 4, twelve days before Oswald got his job at the Texas
School Book Depository, and just a few days after Oswald's alleged
visit to Connally in Austin, Connally flew to Washington to argue his
case for the luncheon site and the parade route.
Kennedy relented and Connally had finally won.
According to official records, the motorcade route was determined by
the location of the luncheon, the Dallas Trade Mart. Once the location
of the Trade Mart was finalized, (October 4th) the motorcade route was
pretty much determined.
Oswald was "placed" in a warehouse on the motorcade route that had no
job openings 12 days later. The "position" was given to him with
influence from "Dear Mr. Hunt", aka H L Hunt.
muc...@gmail.com
Earth to Gil: what's your evidence that a specific luncheon site was
even discussed on October 4th?
-Mark
justm...@gmail.com
> www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/166e83571b6434b7
>
> If Gil's post (linked above) about Governor Connally and the motorcade
> route doesn't make everyone burst out laughing, then nothing is likely
> to do the trick.
>
> Gil's post (probably copied from another source altogether, although I
> didn't check that, but it's nutsville stuff whoever authored it)
> proves absolutely NOTHING with respect to any kind of "conspiracy"
> connected with JFK's assassination. Nor does his post prove anything
> (or really even SUGGEST anything conspiratorial) with respect to the
> motorcade route specifically....unless Gil actually believes that John
> Connally WAS DELIBERATELY PLACING HIMSELF IN THE LINE OF FIRE WHEN HE
> PUSHED FOR A MOTORCADE THROUGH DALLAS ON NOVEMBER 22!
>
> That's JUST where I would want to be (i.e., INSIDE THE CAR OF DEATH!)
> if I knew that a team of snipers (and crappy snipers to boot, per
> Ollie Stone and other CT-Kooks) was going to be popping away at the
> President during the motorcade.
>
> (And yet I'M called a "pinhead". The irony there is classic, isn't
> it?)
>
> ~~ Raise your hand if you need a laugh break. (I need one here, that's
> for sure.) ~~
>
> >>> "According to official records, the motorcade route was determined by the location of the luncheon, the Dallas Trade Mart. Once the location of the Trade Mart was finalized, (October 4th) the motorcade route was pretty much determined." <<<
>
> at the Trade Mart (as opposed to 2 other possible Dallas locations)?
> -- Kenny O'Donnell, that's who.
>
> But you're wrong about the date when the Trade Mart was decided on. It
> was much, much later than October 4th. That decision re. the Trade
> Mart wasn't finalized until November 14, just eight days before the
> assassination. .....
>
> "Kenneth O'Donnell made the final decision to hold the luncheon at the
> Trade Mart; Behn so notified Lawson on November 14." -- The Warren
> Commission Report; Page #31 (linked below).....
>
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0028a.htm
>
> Was Ken O'Donnell (a close, personal friend and aide of JFK's) a part
> of the "conspiracy", too?
>
> >>> "Oswald was "placed" in a warehouse on the motorcade route that had no job openings 12 days later. The "position" was given to him with influence from "Dear Mr. Hunt", aka H L Hunt." <<<
>
> WRONG so MUCH of the time (as Gil and his CT cohorts are about
> virtually everything relating to the true events surrounding
> 11/22/63)?
>
> It's simply staggering how wrong (and stupid-sounding) CTers like Gil
> are, time and time again. (But, as they say, practice makes perfect.)
>
> Gil says the TSBD had "no job openings". Which almost certainly MUST
> mean (per Gil) that Roy Truly was one of THE main plotters who
> conspired to "place" Lee Oswald in that building in the Fall of 1963.
> Right?
>
> It has to be right...because without Truly hiring the "patsy", how can
> the plotters set Oswald up from the Depository Building? (Would "they"
> have tried Zapruder's dress company over at the Dal-Tex if Truly had
> turned Oswald away? Is that what CTers like Gil think would have
> happened?)
>
> Then there's Ruth Paine, Linnie Randle, Marina Oswald, and Wes Frazier
> -- each in their own way somewhat responsible for steering LHO toward
> the Depository job. Are they all in on the grandiose assassination
> plot as well?
>
> When will these silly CT Myths die the death they so richly deserve?
> When?
>
> To show how 100% dead-wrong Gil Jesus is about John Connally's
> supposed hard "push" for a motorcade in Dallas, here's a portion of
> Connally's 1978 HSCA testimony, in which he talks at length about
> JFK's Texas trip and the planning of it. Are we really to believe that
> John Connally is lying his ass off here?.....
>
> Mr. CONNALLY. Basically, my reason for opposing the motorcade in
> Dallas were two. We were working the President very hard, I thought.
> Most people think that riding in a motorcade is easy. It's not. It's
> very tiring. .... There was one other reason, and that was simply that
> I thought, no more so really in Dallas than most places in Texas, but
> I thought we ran the risk of having some embarrassing placards or
> signs or a few pickets along the way. I frankly never had any fear of
> physical harm or violence. That never entered my mind.
>
> [Later....]
>
> Mr. CONNALLY. ...My objection to the motorcade really was not based on
> any apprehension of violence, Congressman Devine, it was as I have
> testified earlier, in order to try to save the President the wear and
> tear of a motorcade and to basically conserve time. ....
>
> Mr. DEVINE. But if you had had your way there would have been no
> motorcade through the downtown area, you would have gone directly to
> the---
>
> Mr. CONNALLY. Trade Mart.
>
> Mr. DEVINE. Trade Mart, right.
>
> Mr. CONNALLY. Yes. As a matter of fact, it was quite a point of
> dispute, as I say, and we never did agree to it, and finally they not
> only said we are going to have a motorcade but we are going to publish
> the route of it, and I said, well, that is crazy, I said, because here
> again I was thinking only in terms of pickets or embarrassing signs or
> things of that sort, but indeed they did, they ran a map of the parade
> route 3 or 4 days, I think it was Tuesday before the Friday, in the
> Dallas papers.
>
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/hscacon.htm
David??? Jesus thinks CONNALLY is the one that shot JFK (Healy moment
ROFLMAO) Now can you understand why he posts the ridiculous things he
does? He'll do anything to keep his youtube channel alive because it's
the only pleasure the idiot has in his life. Gee, maybe JFK shot
Connally back. Jesus now has this entire case solved...NOT!!!!!!
David Von Pein
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/166e83571b6434b7
If Gil's post (linked above) about Governor Connally and the motorcade
route doesn't make everyone burst out laughing, then nothing is likely
to do the trick.
Gil's post (probably copied from another source altogether, although I
didn't check that, but it's nutsville stuff whoever authored it)
proves absolutely NOTHING with respect to any kind of "conspiracy"
connected with JFK's assassination. Nor does his post prove anything
(or really even SUGGEST anything conspiratorial) with respect to the
motorcade route specifically....unless Gil actually believes that John
Connally WAS DELIBERATELY PLACING HIMSELF IN THE LINE OF FIRE WHEN HE
PUSHED FOR A MOTORCADE THROUGH DALLAS ON NOVEMBER 22!
That's JUST where I would want to be (i.e., INSIDE THE CAR OF DEATH!)
if I knew that a team of snipers (and crappy snipers to boot, per
Ollie Stone and other CT-Kooks) was going to be popping away at the
President during the motorcade.
(And yet I'M called a "pinhead". The irony there is classic, isn't
it?)
~~ Raise your hand if you need a laugh break. (I need one here, that's
for sure.) ~~
>>> "According to official records, the motorcade route was determined by the location of the luncheon, the Dallas Trade Mart. Once the location of the Trade Mart was finalized, (October 4th) the motorcade route was pretty much determined." <<<
And guess who made the FINAL, OFFICIAL decision to hold the luncheon
at the Trade Mart (as opposed to 2 other possible Dallas locations)?
-- Kenny O'Donnell, that's who.
But you're wrong about the date when the Trade Mart was decided on. It
was much, much later than October 4th. That decision re. the Trade
Mart wasn't finalized until November 14, just eight days before the
assassination. .....
"Kenneth O'Donnell made the final decision to hold the luncheon at the
Trade Mart; Behn so notified Lawson on November 14." -- The Warren
Commission Report; Page #31 (linked below).....
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0028a.htm
Was Ken O'Donnell (who was a close, personal friend and aide of JFK's)
a part of the "conspiracy", too?
>>> "Oswald was "placed" in a warehouse on the motorcade route that had no job openings 12 days later. The "position" was given to him with influence from "Dear Mr. Hunt", aka H L Hunt." <<<
Does anybody else but me wonder how it's physically possible for
conspiracy kooks to be so WRONG so MUCH of the time (as Gil and his CT
cohorts are about virtually everything relating to the true events
surrounding 11/22/63)?
It's simply staggering how wrong (and stupid-sounding) CTers like Gil
are, time and time again. (But, as they say, practice makes perfect.)
Gil says the TSBD had "no job openings". Which almost certainly MUST
mean (per Gil) that Roy Truly was one of THE main plotters who
conspired to "place" Lee Oswald in that building in the Fall of 1963.
Right?
It has to be right...because without Truly hiring the "patsy", how can
the plotters set Oswald up from the Depository Building? (Would "they"
have tried to get Oswald hired at Zapruder's dress company over at the
Dal-Tex if Truly had turned Oswald away? Is that what CTers like Gil
think would have happened?)
Then there's Ruth Paine, Linnie Randle, Marina Oswald, and Wes Frazier
-- each in their own way somewhat responsible for steering LHO toward
the Depository job. Are they all in on the grandiose assassination
plot as well?
When will these silly CT Myths die the death they so richly deserve?
When?
To show how 100% dead-wrong Gil Jesus is about John Connally's
supposed hard "push" for a motorcade in Dallas, below is a portion of
Connally's 1978 HSCA testimony, in which he talks at length about
JFK's Texas trip and the planning of it (and how OPPOSED to a Dallas
motorcade he was).
David Von Pein
Can you steer me to the exact post (or posts) where Gil Jesus actually
said he thinks Connally shot JFK? Because I must have missed that
insane post(s). I don't recall him ever saying that at all. But I'd
love to see it in print from Gil-Kook.
I'm certainly not willing to wade through his forum pages one-by-one,
though. That would induce way too much laughter for just a single
day's outing.
muc...@gmail.com
I think it could be this one:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/dd783b571f900c24
GIL ON
[...] Let's not forget that all of the previous three successful
Presidential assassinations were made from a distance of three feet
or
less. In addition, the position of Kennedy's head at Z312, together
with the description by the witnesses of an entry wound in the right
front of the head and an exit wound in the right rear, would indicate
a trajectory of a shot coming out of the floorboard of the car.
Let's also not forget that Johnson's man Connally was less than 3
feet
from the President when he was murdered and was reportedly known to
have carried a gun strapped to his ankle.
Think about it.
GIL OFF
-Mark :-)
David Von Pein
My goodness! How did I miss that gem of absurdity from Gil in July
2007??
I've heard you guys talking about Gil's "JBC Shot JFK" theory, but I
missed that July post re-posted above. That one is better on the laugh
scale than the "Greer Did It" theory.
Has Gil ever stated why we can't see JBC's gun at Z313 when the head
shot occurs? (Oh, yes, the Z-Film's been faked to erase that part,
right? The fakers left IN the rear head snap though, just to give
CTers a "hint" for future generations to chew on I guess.)
Also: Connally must have been made of cast-iron AND stone....because,
per Gil, Connally shoots JFK dead AFTER HE HIMSELF (JBC) had been shot
through the chest and RIGHT WRIST! (And unless Connally was a lefty,
he must've had a difficult time firing that fatal shot with his "ankle
gun", because his right wrist was shattered by a bullet itself and his
right hand would have been pretty much out of service at the key time
at Z313.)
Or does Gil think Connally wasn't hit at all until AFTER Connally shot
the President?
Anyway, thanks for providing the post (can't believe I missed that
gem). And thanks for the laughs, Gil-Kook.
justm...@gmail.com
YES Mark that's the one, after looking for the past hour I just found
it too. I was beginning to think that El Gilly had went and deleted
it, but his head is so far up his ass he actually thought he could get
someone to believe another of his absurd theories!
Thanks Mark I wish I had checked back here sooner to see you had
already found the post, but I did have some good laughs going back
months ago and reading the idiotic things Gilly has had to say.
muc...@gmail.com
Gil is not easily embarrassed, to put it mildly, but this is truly one
for the ages. Entertainment and stupidity of the purest form. Even Ben
won't come to his defense this time.
Is it unfair to drag Ben into this? Of course not. A few months ago,
when he bored this forum to tears with his "predictions" that
Bugliosi's book would be full of "omissions, misrepresentations and
probable lies," I protested a little bit. Ben's reaction? To call me a
gutless coward, unless I committed in advance to "defend" Bugliosi and
every comma in his damn book, if it were ever to be published. I
wonder what Ben would say if I were to pull out of my ass a similar
challenge for him to defend his soul mate Gil all the way from here to
eternity?
-Mark
YoHarvey
>
> - Show quoted text -
Oswald was "placed" in a warehouse on the motorcade route that had no
job openings 12 days later. The "position" was given to him with
influence from "Dear Mr. Hunt", aka H L Hunt.
wtf????? Roy Truly testified he was hiring temp workers in both
locations of the TSBD. So now you believe Truly "was in on it
also"????????????????????????????
Bud
<snicker> Ben actually thinks he is being rational when he pulls
stunts like that.
> I
> wonder what Ben would say if I were to pull out of my ass a similar
> challenge for him to defend his soul mate Gil all the way from here to
> eternity?
He`ll do what he always does, turn the conversation towards one
of his favorite squalking points, like the semi-circular object in the
AP x-ray. He would rather attack than defend, and he will only fight
on the ground he chooses (and performs poorly even there).
> -Mark
muc...@gmail.com
You sure know your critters, Bud :-)
-Mark
Ben Holmes
muc...@gmail.com says...
And, I might note - too gutless to either admit he was wrong, or to attempt to
refute the lies that have been demonstrated in Bugliosi's tome.
>> > Ben's reaction? To call me a
>> > gutless coward, unless I committed in advance to "defend" Bugliosi and
>> > every comma in his damn book, if it were ever to be published.
>>
>> <snicker> Ben actually thinks he is being rational when he pulls
>> stunts like that.
>>
>> > I
>> > wonder what Ben would say if I were to pull out of my ass a similar
>> > challenge for him to defend his soul mate Gil all the way from here to
>> > eternity?
>>
>> He`ll do what he always does, turn the conversation towards one
>> of his favorite squalking points, like the semi-circular object in the
>> AP x-ray. He would rather attack than defend, and he will only fight
>> on the ground he chooses (and performs poorly even there).
>
>You sure know your critters, Bud :-)
>
>-Mark
And once again, Mark - rather than addressing the evidence, sides with trolls in
ad hominem.
Sadly... this is typical for the LNT'er side.
justm...@gmail.com
> In article <1189376936.982836.195...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
> much...@gmail.com says...
>
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Stop your whimpering Ben...say that for when ROFLMAO Healy puts on his
pink panties and prances around for you. When you give some real
evidence to address maybe someone will debate you on it. You were
challanged to a debate live in a chat room with YoHarvey, you're a
coward right along with Jesus who also ran in the other direction. The
Ct's on this newsgroup are cerifiably NUTS!
muc...@gmail.com
> In article <1189376936.982836.195...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
Admit that I was wrong? About what? Citation, please.
> >> > Ben's reaction? To call me a
> >> > gutless coward, unless I committed in advance to "defend" Bugliosi and
> >> > every comma in his damn book, if it were ever to be published.
>
> >> <snicker> Ben actually thinks he is being rational when he pulls
> >> stunts like that.
>
> >> > I
> >> > wonder what Ben would say if I were to pull out of my ass a similar
> >> > challenge for him to defend his soul mate Gil all the way from here to
> >> > eternity?
>
> >> He`ll do what he always does, turn the conversation towards one
> >> of his favorite squalking points, like the semi-circular object in the
> >> AP x-ray. He would rather attack than defend, and he will only fight
> >> on the ground he chooses (and performs poorly even there).
>
> >You sure know your critters, Bud :-)
>
> >-Mark
>
> And once again, Mark - rather than addressing the evidence, sides with trolls in
> ad hominem.
Do you want to discuss Gil's evidence that Connally shot Kennedy? Or
his evidence that Connally discussed specific luncheon sites with
Kennedy on October 4th? Take your pick.
> Sadly... this is typical for the LNT'er side.
Another ad hominem from Ben... how typical.
-Mark
Ben Holmes
muc...@gmail.com says...
Mark... you ducked again!