Spiffy_One - Just for YOU! (Baileykooknme, Paul May, and Tommy-boy have all run screaming away...)
Ben Holmes
believe that the eyewitnesses knew what they were talking about... so they often
don't even bother to study the evidence in this cas. Paul has implied that he
knows the evidence... let's see if he does...
(Of course, Paul, like many of these trolls, has disappeared... let's see if
"Baileynme" can take a stab at any of this... Tommy Lowry, who *originally* got
these questions, has been running ever since.)
(And now it's Spiffy_One's turn. The Troll of the month club just keeps rolling
on...)
Just for the fun of it, these questions should be easy to answer for someone who
both knows the evidence, and can support the WCR, refuting us poor CT'ers:
Why was the closest police eyewitness to the murder - who just coincidently
would have testified in contradiction to the SBT, never questioned by the FBI or
Warren Commission prior to the release of the WCR?
Why were the NAA results buried by the WC?
Why were the test results of firing a rifle at Oak Ridge buried, and are still
denied by most LNT'ers today?
Why was a ballistics expert hired by the WC fired when he refused to endorse
their theory?
Why did the FBI engage in a pattern of eyewitness intimidation to get the
statements they wanted?
What is the 6.5mm virtually round object that no-one saw in the AP X-ray on the
night of the Autopsy... and why was everyone so blind on the night of the
autopsy?
How can a bullet transit without breaking the spine, as has been conclusively
demonstrated with CAT scans?
Why was dissection of the bullet track, and neck wound, forbidden to the
prosectors? Why were they allowed to dissect the chest incisions, which were
clearly *not* bullet wounds, but not allowed to dissect the bullet wounds?
Why have photographs and X-rays disappeared out of the inventory? Only the
govenment had control of them...
Why did the CIA have a program of harrassment of CT authors, and why did they
actively promote the WCR through their friendly news contacts?
Why did the Secret Service remove the limo from the jurisdiction of the DPD?
Perhaps an argument can be made for removing JFK's body - as Johnson needed
Jackie with him to provide an aura of legitimacy, but there was *NO* valid
reason to remove the scene of the crime from Dallas - or was there? Can you
provide it?
Why is there no 'chain of evidence' on so much of the evidence in this case?
CE399, for example, almost no-one who originally handled it will identify it.
Why did the FBI seem so insistent on erasing the record of a Minox camera owned
by LHO?
Why were military intelligence files on LHO never released... even to government
investigators?
Why did both the WC and HSCA find it necessary to *LIE* about their own
collected evidence in order to support their conclusions? In the case of the
HSCA, it's not even disputable - they lied blatantly about the medical
testimony... why??
Why have so many *new* "scientific" theories been developed for this case?
Never before heard - such as the "jet effect" and "eyewitness unreliability" and
"photographs trump eyewitnesses"?
Why does Altgens show Chaney in a position that he's *never* seen in the extant
Z-film?
How is it possible to not have a "first frame flash" at Z-133, as the engineers
who designed the camera assert must happen?
Why do *dozen's* of eyewitnesses agree on a slowdown or stop of the limo, yet we
can't see it in the Z-film?
Why do *dozens* of eyewitnesses agree with each other on the location of the
large wound on the back of JFK's head, in contradiction to the BOH photo?
Why does the Autopsy Report contradict the BOH photo?
These questions should keep an *honest* person busy for quite some time... a
dishonest troll, on the other hand...
And, Spiffy_One, I do hope you note the questions that dealt with *PHYSICAL*
evidence included above. If you can't do any better, be sure to at least answer
those.
bail...@gmail.com
Ben, since you as most CT's do continually ask questions of no
relevance, I'll do the same:
1. Who won the Heisman trophy in 1962?
2. What do Jerry Seinfeld and Alec Baldwin have in common?
3. What's the difference between a "nick" and a "knack"?
3 should keep ya busy for a while. Ben? The above questions are about
as relevant as those which you posed. Know why? They raise more
issues than they resolve! And that is EXACTLY HOW CT'S earn their
livelihood. It's all you people are capable of after 43 years. I've
never, and I mean NEVER in 43 years have seen TWO CT's even agree on
the same premis. Do us all a favor Ben, give it up!!! Like the
thousands of CT's before you, you've failed to convince anybody with
knowledge of this case about ANYTHING. You can't because EVERY one of
your conclusions is based on conjecture, speculation and theory!
You're a cliche Ben. You use the reverse scientific method. You
determine what happened in YOUR OPINION. You throw OUT all date that
doesn't fit your conclusion and then you hail your findings as the only
possible solution. Damn, this gets tiring. You resolved NOTHING as
evidenced by the past 43 years. Now Ben, as most adults do to their
children, I'll give you the last word. It's how you CT's live and
breath. Since you'll continue to relive a dead past, I no longer will
communicate with you. Go to your room!!
David Von Pein
logical/believable fashion:
1.) If the SBT is not true....what is?
2.) Where are the bullets that CTers really think hit JFK & JBC instead
of CE399?
No CTer has answered the above questions in a reasonable,
"based-on-the-evidence" manner.
Can any fool (i.e., rabid CTer) possibly believe that THREE "miracles"
occurred at the very same time on 11/22/63?....
1.) Three gunmen pepper JFK & JBC with 3 bullets (not even counting the
fatal head shot to the President), with the end result being a wound
pattern that can be tied together as a "Single-Bullet Event".
2.) Two bullets somehow go into JFK's body and never exit (despite
striking nothing that could have possibly caused a bullet to stop dead
in its flight path, let alone two such missiles).
3.) All of the "real" bullets disappear right after the shooting,
without a single person at Parkland noticing any of these bullets that
just went into two victims.
~~~
Any one of the above pro-CT items is beyond logical belief. But when
you try to make all 3 of the above fly....it becomes one of the
silliest propositions I've ever encountered.
Dale Myers on the Single-Bullet Fact:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5933278137045380376&q=magic+bullet&hl=en
DVP on the same topic:
tomnln
Barnum & Bailey refused to address my questions on evidence/testimony.
Now the Circus Clown refuses to address Ben's questions on
evidence/testimony.
Looks like Barnum & Bailey also Supports Felons.
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tomnln
"David Von Pein" <davev...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Here are some questions that no CTer can ever answer in a
> logical/believable fashion:
>
> 1.) If the SBT is not true....what is?
> 2.) Where are the bullets that CTers really think hit JFK & JBC instead
> of CE399?
SAMEPLACE AS THE NOTE HOSTY DESTROYED.
> No CTer has answered the above question in a reasonable,
> "based-on-the-evidence" manner.
>
> Can any fool (i.e., rabid CTer) possibly believe that THREE "miracles"
> occurred at the very same time on 11/22/63?....
>
> 1.) Three gunmen pepper JFK & JBC with 3 bullets (not even counting the
> fatal head shot to the President), with the end result being a wound
> pattern that can be tied together as a "Single-Bullet Event".
>
> 2.) Two bullets somehow go into JFK's body and never exit (despite
> striking nothing that could have possibly caused a bullet to stop dead
> in its flight path, let alone two such missiles).
>
> 3.) All of the "real" bullets disappear right after the shooting,
> without a single person at Parkland noticing any of these bullets that
> just went into two victims.
>
> ~~~
>
> Any one of the above pro-CT items is beyond logical belief. But when
> you try to make all 3 of the above fly....it becomes one of the
> silliest propositions I've ever encountered.
=============================================================
> Dale Myers on the Single-Bullet Fact:
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5933278137045380376&q=magic+bullet&hl=en
Dale Myers made a Cartoon.
=============================================================
> DVP on the same topic:
>
> www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/discussions/start-thread.html/?ASIN=1413475221&reviewID=RL0C7XHOJKVR7&iid=&displayType=ReviewDetail
DVP is a Cartoon Fan.
============================================================
bail...@gmail.com
Tomnln, easily the most uneducated moron on the forum. Even CT's are
embarrassed by him. Responding to the same old questions by CT's after
43 years is redundant. Go look that word up Tomnln.
> ============================================================
David Von Pein
Gee, what a wonderfully-detailed analysis (for a simpleton/CT-Kook).
Miraculously, either nobody at Parkland saw a single unwanted bullet
(even inside John Connally...i.e., a person who did not die and who
remained @ Parkland for days afterward)....or all of those Parkland
people were among the hundreds of conspirators who wanted to frame a
person they'd never heard of before in their lives.
But...that's what rabid CTers are for....to believe kooky shit.
Ben Holmes
bail...@gmail.com says...
"No relevance"???
It seems that we now know how honest you are. Only a completely dishonest
person could make a statement like that.
In fact, it would be interesting to see if any LNT'er could compile a listing of
evidence that would convict LHO and *NOT* reference any of the material I listed
above.
>1. Who won the Heisman trophy in 1962?
>2. What do Jerry Seinfeld and Alec Baldwin have in common?
>3. What's the difference between a "nick" and a "knack"?
>
>3 should keep ya busy for a while. Ben? The above questions are about
>as relevant as those which you posed. Know why? They raise more
>issues than they resolve!
The questions, by the very reason that *YOU* refuse to even attempt to answer
them, *do indeed* resolve the issue. Unfortunately, the only explanation left
is conspiracy.
>And that is EXACTLY HOW CT'S earn their
>livelihood. It's all you people are capable of after 43 years. I've
>never, and I mean NEVER in 43 years have seen TWO CT's even agree on
>the same premis. Do us all a favor Ben, give it up!!!
LNT'ers would *love it* if I stopped pointing out their dishonesty, and the
evidence that they cannot answer.
>Like the
>thousands of CT's before you, you've failed to convince anybody with
>knowledge of this case about ANYTHING.
Polls would indicate otherwise. Breaks your heart, doesn't it?
>You can't because EVERY one of
>your conclusions is based on conjecture, speculation and theory!
Evidence was what my questions dealt with. None of them were "conjecture,
speculation, or theory". Why bother to lie? Lurkers aren't stupid.
>You're a cliche Ben. You use the reverse scientific method. You
>determine what happened in YOUR OPINION.
Quote, if you can, any such example from this post.
My crystal ball tells me that you'll be too gutless to do so.
>You throw OUT all date that
>doesn't fit your conclusion
Provide an example from this post. *QUOTE IT*. But my crystal ball is telling
me that once again you've spouted off without the ability to support your own
words.
>and then you hail your findings as the only
>possible solution.
The fact that LNT'ers never seem capable of answering such simple questions
leads lurkers to one inevitable conclusion, doesn't it?
>Damn, this gets tiring.
This is the very first post that you've responded to me. You clearly have a low
threshold if you're already tired. Could it be more honest to say that you
simply *cannot* refute the evidence in this case?
>You resolved NOTHING as
>evidenced by the past 43 years.
Clearly a lie. The facts that are now known about the JFK assassination dwarf
what citizens could find out those first few years after the assassination.
>Now Ben, as most adults do to their
>children, I'll give you the last word.
Of course you do. You won't be *capable* of carrying on a debate *ON THE
EVIDENCE* with any CT'er... particularly more knowledgeable ones such as those
on this forum.
>It's how you CT's live and
>breath. Since you'll continue to relive a dead past,
Rather a silly comment coming from someone who posts here...
>I no longer will
>communicate with you. Go to your room!!
Of *course* you'll "no longer will communicate" with me... I've proven myself
knowledgeable enough to run rings around you on this case, and you clearly don't
want to be on the losing end of a debate on the evidence.
But just keep this in mind... you've demonstrated your basic dishonesty, and
you've shown your cowardice by refusing to actually discuss the evidence in this
case. Don't fool yourself otherwise...
bail...@gmail.com
Ben? As a child often does, you too don't listen. I've read posts on
this forum for many months. Yours quite candily are posted to boost
your own self esteem. Who are you trying to impress? The LN"s know
you're a phony and the CT's are perhaps thinking...."oh crap, not Ben
again". I don't get it. Nobody responds to your archaic questions
because like you, THEY ARE OLD NEWS. Nobody is interested Ben. Get
it?? Want a conspiracy? Prove it! You've had 43 years!!! But do us
all a favor and stop the repeitive BS you continue to spew.
aeffects
roflmao, moron -- shuck and jive, juke and puke, most lone neuter's are
errified of the WCR/evidence -- get out a new screen name *beef-stick*
comeback and try again....
bail...@gmail.com
Lord aeffects, you sound about as educated and literate as Tomnlin.
Must have the same mother.
aeffects
David Von Pein wrote:
> Here are some questions that no CTer can ever answer in a
> logical/believable fashion:
>
> 1.) If the SBT is not true....what is?
>
> 2.) Where are the bullets that CTers really think hit JFK & JBC instead
> of CE399?
>
> No CTer has answered the above questions in a reasonable,
> "based-on-the-evidence" manner.
>
> Can any fool (i.e., rabid CTer) possibly believe that THREE "miracles"
> occurred at the very same time on 11/22/63?....
>
> 1.) Three gunmen pepper JFK & JBC with 3 bullets (not even counting the
> fatal head shot to the President), with the end result being a wound
> pattern that can be tied together as a "Single-Bullet Event".
>
> 2.) Two bullets somehow go into JFK's body and never exit (despite
> striking nothing that could have possibly caused a bullet to stop dead
> in its flight path, let alone two such missiles).
>
> 3.) All of the "real" bullets disappear right after the shooting,
> without a single person at Parkland noticing any of these bullets that
> just went into two victims.
>
> ~~~
>
> Any one of the above pro-CT items is beyond logical belief. But when
> you try to make all 3 of the above fly....it becomes one of the
> silliest propositions I've ever encountered.
>
> Dale Myers on the Single-Bullet Fact:
bullshit and his 10,000 word FAQ page -- roflmao!
bail...@gmail.com
Must have the same mother.
>
tomnln
evidence??
Follow along.....
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>
> aeffects wrote:
>> David Von Pein wrote:
>> > Here are some questions that no CTer can ever answer in a
>> > logical/believable fashion:
>===========================================================
>> > 1.) If the SBT is not true....what is? CONSPIRACY
============================================================
>> > 2.) Where are the bullets that CTers really think hit JFK & JBC instead
>> > of CE399? WITH THE NOTE HOSTY DESTROYED
============================================================
>> > No CTer has answered the above questions in a reasonable,
>> > "based-on-the-evidence" manner.
>> >
>> > Can any fool (i.e., rabid CTer) possibly believe that THREE "miracles"
>> > occurred at the very same time on 11/22/63?....
>> >
>> > 1.) Three gunmen pepper JFK & JBC with 3 bullets (not even counting the
>> > fatal head shot to the President), with the end result being a wound
>> > pattern that can be tied together as a "Single-Bullet Event".
>> >
>> > 2.) Two bullets somehow go into JFK's body and never exit (despite
>> > striking nothing that could have possibly caused a bullet to stop dead
>> > in its flight path, let alone two such missiles).
============================================================
>> > 3.) All of the "real" bullets disappear right after the shooting,
>> > without a single person at Parkland noticing any of these bullets that
>> > just went into two victims. WHO HAD POSESSION OF THE EVIDENCE?
============================================================
>> >
>> > ~~~
>> >
>> > Any one of the above pro-CT items is beyond logical belief. But when
>> > you try to make all 3 of the above fly....it becomes one of the
>> > silliest propositions I've ever encountered.
>> >
>> > Dale Myers on the Single-Bullet Fact:
>>
=============================================================
>> bullshit and his 10,000 word FAQ page -- roflmao!
>> Lord aeffects, you sound about as educated and literate as Tomnlin.
> Must have the same mother. WHY NOT DEBATE YOUR POSITION?
==============================================================
tomnln
I notice you never address Evidence/Terstimony.
You're limited to Name-Calling.
Then get the snot beat outta you on THAT venue.
You're a Loser all around.
Wouldyou care to address any of these official reocrds?
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tomnln
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tomnln
Do you condone the Destruction of Evidence?
Do you believe it's a Felony?
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tomnln
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Barnum & Bailey, Asshole, you sound about as educated as BUD.
Must have come from the same Petrie Dish.
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justm...@gmail.com
You're like a broken record! You have no proof that any evidence was
tampered with or destructed. Once again you've picked out bits and
pieces of "Official Records" and twisted them around (ignoring the
facts) trying to prove a point that is totally speculation on your
part. If we diminished your vocabulary by omitting the words FELONS,
DESTRUCTION, and OFFICIAL RECORDS, you would have nothing more to say.
Except priding yourself on thinking you can outdo anyone on the net
with your insults. Now there's something to be proud of! I have to
laugh that your more well known for your idiotic comments then you are
for your knowledge of the JFK assassination. No one respects and old
man with an attitude!
Ben Holmes
Lurkers can all see that once again, you've refused to directly respond. Why
don't you follow your own stated assertion and stop making yourself look like a
fool?
Or were you merely lying when you asserted that you'd no longer communicate with
me?
Ben Holmes
justm...@gmail.com says...
Only a fool or dishonest liar would attempt to defend the stance that there was
no evidence tampered with or destroyed. There is indeed proof of it.
tomnln
Here is a Partial list of Illegal acts.
http://whokilledjfk.net/Evid%20Tamp.htm
Perhaps you would like to address them? (I doubt you will)
ps;
Please refrain from the Name-Calling.
Should you continue, I WILL Retaliate. (I'm good at it)
Address the opfficial records or, take a walk.
You're alsoinvited to join us in my Live Audio Chat Room on Paltalk.
I offer you a Forum to set the record Straight.
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justm...@gmail.com
I've been in your pathetic chat room on Paltalk. You're either sitting
there alone, or you have your side kick Bob with you that goes into
coronery arrest if you don't agree with his reasearch on the Carcano
rifle. He's as ignorant and foul mouth as you are to your guests that
don't agree with you. How dare you even advertise that your chat room
is open for debates. You ask newcomers their opinion on the
assassination and if they say it wasn't a conspiracy you immediately
tell them they support felons. If you consider that debating an issues
your even more of a moron then Spiffy and Bailey say you are! The
insults begin with you Tomln...you think by trying to intimidate people
with insults is going to make you a man. Nothing will ever make you a
man Tomln, they don't create people like you and call them human. On a
final note, you're an insult to your own chat room! Enjoy your time
there alone.
justm...@gmail.com
Ben Holmes
Dead silence... hmmm, I'm guessing "dishonest liar"...