Simple solution to JFK Case........Case closed! Live with it.
YoHarvey
didn’t even die
for civil rights. He died for some silly little communist”.
Events that occurred in 1963 give us the solution to the mystery of
the Kennedy
assassination.
March, 1963 – Lee Harvey Oswald purchases 6.5 MM Manlichter-Carcano
mail order
from Kleins Sporting Goods Chicago for $21.95. This same month, he
purchases a hand
pistol.
March, 1963 – Lee Harvey Oswald is photographed in his backyard by his
wife displaying these weapons.
April, 1963 – Lee Harvey Oswald attempts the assassination of General
Walker, He fails.
Summer, 1963 – Lee Harvey Oswald, in New Orleans starts a Fair Play
for Cuba
Committee and passes out pamphlets on the streets. He engages in
fisticuffs with
several anti-Castro Supporters. He recruits nobody for his committee.
July, 1963 – Lee Harvey Oswald receives letter from the Department of
the Navy
refusing to overturn his undesireable discharge.
Sept, 1963 – A.P. Reporter Richard Harker interviews Fidel Castro at
the Brazilian embassy in Havana. Castro goes on record with “if the
American Government continues
attempts on the lives of Cuban Government Officials, they in turn will
not be safe”. This
story appears for the first time on September 9th in the New Orleans
Times Picayune. Oswald, a rabid newspaper reader, no doubts see this.
September – 1963 – Lee Harvey Oswald goes to Mexico City to obtain
Visa to Cuba. He is turned down.
September – 1963 – White House announces JFK’s trip to Dallas in
November.
All of these events in Oswalds life occurred BEFORE it was announced
JFK would visit Dallas in November.
October – 1963 – Lee Harvey Oswald obtains temporary job at the Texas
School Book Depository.
In the fall of 1963, a devoted Castro Supporter (he wanted to name his
new baby “Fidel”)
has his life spiraling out of control (per brother Robert). He has
virtually no money.
He continues to beat his wife. She throws him out and he moves into a
boarding house.
Agent Hosty and the FBI are harassing him. The Navy Department has
rejected his
discharge request. His only assassination attempt has failed. Lee
Harvey Oswald, an
individual who believes he is superior to most has failed at
everything he has attempted.
On November 21, he attempts one last reconciliation with his wife.
She refuses. On
November 22, Lee Harvey Oswald had the means, motive and opportunity
to assassinate
John F. Kennedy.
He succeeds.
The problem as I see it is most conspiracy theorists have spent 45
years with ballistics results, wound trajectories, autopsy results at
the expense of KNOWING Lee Harvey
Oswald; who he was and what he stood for. Duncan MacPherson, world
renowned
wound ballistic expert has said “the JFK autopsy was business as usual
but few autopsies
have ever come under the scrutiny of this one”. MacPherson went on to
say that anybody believing JFK was shot from the front knows “little
about physics and even
less about ballistics”. Independent verification of the backyard
photographs, the autopsy
x-rays and photographs and the ballistic evidence can result in only
one opinion. The
conspiracy community has been unable to reach ANY conclusions over the
past 45 years
for one reason. The case was solved in 1963. So why did the U. S.
Government cover
up the assassination? Laurence Keenan, 81, retired FBI agent has said
“I was sent to
Mexico City to follow up on Oswald’s trail”. “I was recalled to
Washington within 3
days”. “It was the worst investigation the FBI was ever involved
in”. Keenan and the
American Government knew Lee Harvey Oswald had assassinated the
President of the
United States over his loyalty to Fidel Castro and the Cuban
Revolution. To avoid any
confrontation with Cuba and the Soviet Union possibly resulting in a
nuclear confron-
tation, the American people and the world had to be convinced Oswald
was the sole
killer. Per General Alexander Haig: “Lyndon Johnson took to his
grave the knowledge
Lee Harvey Oswald had killed the President of the United States over
Cuba”.
Paul L. May
lazu...@webtv.net
have witness after witness at Bethesda and parkland saying the magic
bullet theory isn't true, the Autopsy Photos are completely different
than what they saw, that bullets and fragments have disappeared- too
many fragments for the official story mind you, key photos have vanished
and so forth...if it was LHO alone..of course you wouldn't have all this
with the secrecy attached.
awthr...@gmail.com
That's too simple, lazuli. Oops...maybe the case isn't closed.
tomnln
All in her own words.
"YoHarvey" <bail...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Gil Jesus
1. Earwitnesses claimed they heard the sound of a gunshot from the
picket fence area, Critics attributed it to echoes. Eyewitnesses also
reported seeing a "puff of smoke" in the same picket fence area.
What type of echo produces a "puff of smoke" ?
2. If RFK had accepted without question the WC findings with regard
to the murder of his brother, what reason would there be for his
taking possession of his brother's brain and locking it away ?
3. Name another murder where there was a "jet effect".
4. Why is there no "jet effect" in any other REAL death videos ?
5. Fifty-one witnesses held the shots sounded as if the came from
west of the Depository, the area of the grassy knoll on Elm Street,
the area directly on the right of the President's car when the bullets
struck.
http://spot.acorn.net/JFKplace/09/fp.back_issues/12th_Issue/51_wits.html
Yet the Warren Commission concluded that "no credible evidece" existed
that any shots were fired from anywhere but the Texas School Book
Depository.
In what other murder case was the testimony of 51 sworn and many other
unheard witnesses dismissed so cavalierly as "no credible evidence"?
6. Why do the autopsy photographs show the skull intact, when the
"Harper Bone Fragment" was missing from the skull at the time of the
autopsy ?
http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/gjjmail/41602cXrkH0*ic1Lb0imwIK1L43PxNpX4tvLv4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/
7. Why did the FBI withhold from the WC Jack Ruby's ties to Organized
Crime and his numerous phone calls to mobsters in the weeks prior to
the assassination ?
8. JFK was was breathing when they brought him in to Parkland
Hospital. He had a heartbeat. Proof that his brain stem WAS intact.
Yet his brain stem was severed by the time his body was seen in
Bethesda for the autopsy. How and when was it severed ?
9. The autopsy photograph of the back of the President's neck shows no
entry wound anywhere in the neck, yet the Humes- supervised Rydberg
drawing shows a bullet wound in the base of the neck.
Is the autopsy photo a fake, or did Humes lie about the location of
the wound ?
http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/gjjmail/41602cXrkH0*ic1Lb0imwIK1L2JNc3mcUPlBv4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/
10. Prior to 11/22/63, can you name ONE TIME when Oswald threatened
President Kennedy specifically ?
11. What evidence is there that Lee Harvey Oswald ever purchased any
6.5mm ammunition ?
12. How did a "Defector" ( with a dishonorable discharge ) get
employed during the missile crisis by a company which did Gov't work
on U-2 photos ?
13. When examined by the FBI, CE 399 had no bone particles, no
clothing fibers and no blood on it from either victim. Why not ?
14. How did Sgt. Hill misidentify the shells found at the Tippit
murder scene as coming from a .38 automatic when gun shells are
clearly labelled by caliber and type on the bottom and are always
identified by that label.
http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/gjjmail/41602cXrkH0*ic1Lb0imwIK1L5HXVp2DRcQuv4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/
15. Why did the Dallas Police give Oswald a Nitrate Test that was
known to be unreliable ?
16. In 2007, the FBI admitted that the Comparative Lead Bullet
Analysis test was in fact unreliable, thus making the evidence it used
to connect Oswald to the Kennedy assassination bogus.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/201207Oswald.htm
Why, then do some, including the media, still argue in favor of
Oswald's guilt ?
17. Did Hoover proclaim Oswald guilty before or after the FBI examined
any of the evidence ?
18. How did the President's tie get nicked in the front of the knot
from a bullet exiting ?
http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/gjjmail/41602cXrkH0*ic1Lb0imwIK1L69NM5E3tpXIv4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/
19. What Texas city was the national headquarters for the "Lyndon
Johnson for President" campaign for the Democratic nomination in
1960 ?
20. What evidence is there that Oswald ever received the mail-order
rifle from the Post Office ?
21. Why did the the Dallas Police dust "4 pcs" of white "curtain rods"
four months after the assassination for Oswald's fingerprints
(CE1952) ?
http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/gjjmail/41602cXrkH0*ic1Lb0imwIK1L6Bi23nHPXDZv4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/
22. The path of the "magic bullet" through Kennedy would have resulted
in damage to his vertebra:
http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/gjjmail/41602cXrkH0*ic1Lb0imwIK1LyZvYMteEbZWv4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/
and yet there was no such damage. Why is that ?
23. Who was Lyndon Johnson's campaign manager during his bid for the
Democratic Presidential nomination against John Kennedy in 1960 ?
24. How did Oswald manage to get a 35 inch rifle into a 24-30 inch
package ?
25. How did Oswald, who was planning to kill the President from the
building where he worked, know he could bring a 35 inch package to
work without being seen ?
26. Why did Oswald leave his revolver in his rented room, a revolver
he could have concealed on his person and which he would have needed
to facilitate his escape ?
27. Why didn't "psycho killer" Oswald just step off the curb and shoot
Kennedy point-blank with his revolver ?
28. Name one witness who identified Oswald as the shooter in the TSBD
ON THE DAY OF THE ASSASSINATION.
29. Why did Emory Roberts order agents Ready and Hill to return to the
follow-up car when the shooting began ?
30. What did the Warren Commission conclude was the motive for Oswald
killing President Kennedy ?
31. What evidence is there that Lee Harvey Oswald ever purchased any .
38SPL ammunition ?
32. At the time the "front seat bullet fragments" were found, Oswald
was alive and presumably going to face a murder trial. It would have
been imperative for law enforcement to establish a continuity of the
evidence. Why weren't the fragments photographed in their positions in
the limousine as found ?
33. How did Oswald hide the rifle without leaving any identifiable
fingerprints on either the weapon or the boxes surrounding it ?
34. Why don't the shells recovered from the Tippit murder scene match
in number and manufacturer the bullets removed from Tippit's body ?
35. Why did a Dallas Police car pull up to Oswald's rooming house
while he was there and give a little "tit-tit" on the horn ?
36. Why were overpass witnesses James Simmons and Richard C. Dodd
never called before the Warren Commission ?
37. Why were Elm St. witnesses Charles Brehm and Bill Newman, who were
among the closest witnesses to the limo at the time of the shooting,
never called before the Warren Commission ?
38. Lt. Day photographed partial prints on the triggerguard of the
rifle. Why didn't he photograph the palm print on the rifle when he
found it ?
39. Why couldn't the FBI find any identifiable prints on the rifle
when they examined it on 11/23 ?
40. What make and model rifle has a recoil so powerful as to shake a
floor violently enough to make plaster fall from the ceiling on the
level below ?
41. Why did the Dallas Police not tape Oswald's interrogation ?
42. If Sgt. Hill was mistaken in his description of the shells found
at the Tippit murder scene, why did he describe them in such detail
when he radioed in that "The shells at the scene indicate that the
suspect is armed with an automatic .38 rather than a pistol" ?
43. Why did Kennedy's bodyguards stay up all night drinking in Fort
Worth the night before the assassination ?
44. Nine SS agents drank liquor at the Fort Worth Press Club on the
night beore the assassination, in violation of SS regulations
prohibiting agents from drinking while on "travel status". Why weren't
they reprimanded ?
45. Was any blood found on the bullet fragments recovered from inside
the limousine ?
46. Who was the Dallas Post Office employee who handed Oswald his mail-
order rifle ?
47. Why were the records of Oswald's post office box "discarded" after
his box was closed, when according to Postal Regulation 846.5h, those
records were to be kept for two years after closing ?
http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/gjjmail/41602cXrkH0*ic1Lb0imwIK1L3AVVPcpi9x0v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/
48. Why was "the man with the football", the general who carried the
briefcase with the codes for launching US nuclear weapons, removed
from the front seat of the limousine at the last minute ?
49. Why did the FBI use a duplicate rifle for ballistics testing (CE
542) rather than the alleged murder weapon ?
50. Why was the Mannlicher-Carcano in the "backyard" photograph
equipped for a bottom mounted sling and the TSBD Carcano was not ?
http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/gjjmail/41602cXrkH0*ic1Lb0imwIK1L-tbKne9zAjBv4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/
51. On Saturday the 23rd, when Julia Ann Mercer selected Jack Ruby's
photograph as one of two who looked like the man she saw unloading a
rifle from a truck on Elm St shortly before the assassination, why
wasn't Ruby picked up for questioning or asked to participate in a
police lineup ?
52. Was the transfer of Oswald controlled by authorities in Dallas or
Washington, DC ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLWBtTzMv_M
53. The Warren Commission concluded that three shots were fired, all
from the Texas School Book Depository. It further concluded that one
shot hit both President Kennedy and Governor Connally, one shot missed
the limousine completely and one shot hit President Kennedy in the
head. How many witnesses described the shooting as having happened
that way ?
54.Michael Paine testified that he was shown "backyard photograph"
C133-A on the night of the assassination.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did the FBI or any other investigatory agency of the
Government ever show you a picture of the rifle that was supposed to
have been used to assassinate the President?
Mr. PAINE. They asked me at first, the first night of the
assassination if I could locate, identify the place where Lee was
standing when he was holding this rifle and some, the picture on the
cover of Life.
( 9 H 444 )
But Dallas Detective Gus Rose testified that the photo was not found
until the following day, Saturday, November 23rd, during a search of
the Paine residence.
Mr. BALL. On Saturday morning you went out to Irving again?
Mr. ROSE. Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. BALL. At this time you had a search warrant?
Mr. ROSE. Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. BALL. What did you search on this day?
Mr. ROSE. We made a search of the garage, mainly, on this day since
quite a bit of Lee Oswald's property was in the garage.
Mr. BALL. What did you find there?
Mr. ROSE. Well, I found two sea bags, three suitcases, and two
cardboard boxes and all of them contained numerous items of property
of Oswald.
Mr. BALL. Did you find some pictures?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; I found two negatives first that showed Lee Oswald
holding a rifle in his hand, wearing a pistol at his hip, and right
with those negatives I found a developed picture--I don't know what
you call it, but anyway a picture that had been developed from the
negative of him holding this rifle, and Detective McCabe was standing
there and he found the other picture--of Oswald holding the rifle.
( 7 H 231 )
How did the authorities have in their possession a photo which had not
yet been found ?
55. What evidence connected the jacket allegedly discarded by the
fleeing killer of Officer J.D. Tippit and found under a 1955
Oldsmobile in a nearby parking lot, to Lee Harvey Oswald ?
56. How many witnesses described the Tippit shooter as having a brown
shirt ?
57. Why did the Warren Commission question members of the Oswald
family as to whether Lee Harvey Oswald was left or right handed ?
58. Why was Lee Harvey Oswald reading rifle magazines at Alba's Garage
in New Orleans and collecting coupons for mail-order weapons, when
BOTH of HIS weapons had already been purchased ?
59. Why was Oswald fingerprinted at 12:35am and arraigned at 1:35am on
Saturday morning ?
60. If Oswald travelled the ten blocks from his roominghouse to the
scene of the Tippit murder in 5 to 10 minutes, why did it take him 30
minutes to travel the seven blocks between the Tippit murder scene and
the Texas Theater ?
61. Why did the Dallas Police come looking for Oswald at the
roominghouse BEFORE they arrested him in the Texas Theater ?
62. Cecil Stoughton's negative of the famous photo showing Rep. Albert
Thomas winking at LBJ aboard Air Force One is missing. Anyone know
what happened to it ?
63. Why wasn't Tom Alyea called before the Warren Commission to
testify regarding the discovery of the rifle ?
67. While in the rifle was in the possession of authorities, was the
scope ever removed from it ?
68. What proof is there that "A.J. Hidell" was approved to receive
mail at either of Oswald's Dallas Post Office Boxes ?
Gil Jesus
> Many years ago, Jackie Kennedy had it right when she said “my husband
> didn’t even die
> for civil rights. He died for some silly little communist”.
LOL.....Had the truth been told THEN, we would not be here NOW
discussing the case.
The fact that we are STILL here talking about it is PROOF that the LN
side continues to be unable 45 YEARS LATER to close the case once and
for all.
bigdog
>
> The fact that we are STILL here talking about it is PROOF that the LN
> side continues to be unable 45 YEARS LATER to close the case once and
> for all.
Another shining example of what passes for "proof" in the wonderfully
whacky world of the conspiracy theorists. Evidence and logical
thinking have no place here.
Chuck Schuyler
> The fact that we are STILL here talking about it is PROOF that the LN
> side continues to be unable 45 YEARS LATER to close the case once and
> for all.
Gil:
There isn't anything anyone could say or do or write that would
convince you there was no conspiracy on 11/22/63.
Why don't you understand that not all questions need to be answered to
your specific demands to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Oswald
shot JFK by himself?
We see the same behavior in the 9/11 Truther movement. The WTC
collapse is the most detailed, studied engineering project of all
time. Supercomputers at colleges across the country show-beyond any
doubt-that the buildings fell because two airplanes crashed into them.
Truthers still think there were demolition charges planted in the
buildings.
Moon landing hoaxers think the USG 'faked' the landings. Scientists
have painstakingly showed that the so-called anomalies in the
photographic evidence is nothing. Moon landing hoaxers still don't
buy it.
Move beyond your feelings and look at the evidence. There was no
conspiracy to kill JFK.
Chuck Schuyler
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> "Chuck Schuyler" <chu...@am-mtg.com> wrote in message
>
> news:64c49e55-0b79-422b...@j32g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 23, 6:55 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > The fact that we are STILL here talking about it is PROOF that the LN
> > side continues to be unable 45 YEARS LATER to close the case once and
> > for all.
> >Gil:
> >There isn't anything anyone could say or do or write that would
>
> convince you there was no conspiracy on 11/22/63.
>
> Why don't you understand that not all questions need to be answered to
> your specific demands to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Oswald
> shot JFK by himself?
>
> We see the same behavior in the 9/11 Truther movement. The WTC
> collapse is the most detailed, studied engineering project of all
> time. Supercomputers at colleges across the country show-beyond any
>
> >doubt-that the buildings fell because two airplanes crashed into them.
>
> world had ever before or since* collapsed after a huge fire raged through
> them for hours and hours and hours?
>
> >Truthers still think there were demolition charges planted in the
>
> buildings.
>
> Moon landing hoaxers think the USG 'faked' the landings. Scientists
> have painstakingly showed that the so-called anomalies in the
> photographic evidence is nothing. Moon landing hoaxers still don't
> buy it.
>
> Move beyond your feelings and look at the evidence. There was no
>
> >conspiracy to kill JFK.
>
> truth, and nothing but the whole truth as given to you by the unbiased,
> unprejudiced Warren Commission--rebutted by the House Select Assassinations
> Committee (1979) itself, and the WCR disbelieved by upwards of 80% of the
> American people since 1966?
I don't care about opinion polls on the JFK assassination.
"A" must stand for assh*le.
The WTC collapse was a unique event (let's hope it stays that way).
Two fuel laden passenger planes hit these buildings at around 500 mph.
The force of the impact stripped insulation from support beams and
weakened the integrity of the structure. The steel didn't need to
melt; it simply needed to lose enough strength to shift the load and
cause the upper floors to pancake on top of the lower ones.
I'll bet you're one of these fruitcakes that think George Bush was
behind it so the USA could go to war against Iraq for oil.
You're a loser. Good thing you request deletion of your posts after
six days-I'd be embarrassed to keep 'em around if I was you, too.
Walt
If there was no conspiracy, and Lee Oswald was the sole person
responsible for the murder of JFK.... Then why did Lyin Lyndon order
much of the evidence to be kept from the public until 2039?? If
there is any solid evidence that convicts Oswald WHY hasn't it been
disclosed. All the LNer's have presented to date is a bunch of
bozarre theories and conjection.
Walt
Oh really.... Mr structural engineer... Are you now saying the lower
floors were in capable of bearing the weight of the upper floors???
At what temperture would the steel beams start to lose there
strength??
Do you really believe the fires were hot enough to weaken those
massive steel beams??
You're not very well educated about this are you??
> I'll bet you're one of these fruitcakes that think George Bush was
> behind it so the USA could go to war against Iraq for oil.
>
> You're a loser. Good thing you request deletion of your posts after
> six days-I'd be embarrassed to keep 'em around if I was you, too.- Hide quoted text -
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rwalker
>On Nov 23, 7:55 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> The fact that we are STILL here talking about it is PROOF that the LN
>> side continues to be unable 45 YEARS LATER to close the case once and
>> for all.
No, it merely shows that your ilk cannot accept reality.
Ben Holmes
If such were true, then LNT'ers would be able to explain the evidence.
They wouldn't be forced to lie about the evidence.
But they can't explain it, nor can they avoid lying about it.
Embarrassing, isn't it?
justm...@gmail.com
> In article <epsji4tt5kgk103mcofbkkcltasv34f...@4ax.com>, rwalker says...
Only for you Holmes, you're still running from you Lady in yellow
pants bs...embarrassing isn't it?
Chuck Schuyler
>
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Walt....we've sort of had a truce of of late. I BEG of you....please,
please PLEASE tell me you are NOT a 9/11 Truther!?
Walt, you are wrecking what little credibility you have left if you
start spouting this 9/11 truther B.S.
As far as my expertise on the melting point of steel and the collapse
of the WTC, etc., I readily admit that I am not an expert.
And neither are you.
Perhaps you can make a cardboard model of the WTC and fly paper
airplanes into it to 'figure out' 9/11...just like the cardboard model
of Dealey Plaza you fashioned to 'figure out' 11/22/63.
What a joke you people are!
We all saw the planes hit the WTC buildings...the impact stripped
insulation from beams and the fire from the fuel and the tons and tons
of combustible material weakened the supporting beams enough to
precipitate the collapse.
This isn't my opinion, and I'm not a structural engineer, and I'm not
claiming to be an expert.
This is the opinion of every single structural engineer and computer
model ever produced that studied the event.
The opinion of every single demolition company in the world is that
you are borderline retarded if you think demo charges were planted in
the buildings.
Gil Jesus
wrote:
> Only for you Holmes, you're still running from you Lady in yellow
> pants bs...embarrassing isn't it?-
As it must be for you to run from showing us the discrepancies in the
broadcast description of the Tippit murder suspect. We're still
waiting to see your evidence.
People who live in glass houses, Joey.......
Ben Holmes
Gil Jesus says...
>
>On Nov 23, 10:06=EF=BF=BDpm, "justme1...@gmail.com" <justme1...@gmail.com>
Good to see that the trolls still love me... :)
muc...@gmail.com
> In article <19798eaf-928b-4e14-9802-fd8d215a1...@41g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>,
Another copout by *Artful Dodger* Holmes. The *Lady in Yellow Pants*
theory is like Kryptonite to that guy.
robcap...@netscape.com
> Many years ago, Jackie Kennedy had it right when she said “my husband
> didn’t even die
> for civil rights. He died for some silly little communist”.
She used the word "they" constantly in reference to who killed her
husband, so it is quite obvious she did NOT buy the LHO alone crap.
> Events that occurred in 1963 give us the solution to the mystery of
> the Kennedy
> assassination.
>
> March, 1963 – Lee Harvey Oswald purchases 6.5 MM Manlichter-Carcano
> mail order
> from Kleins Sporting Goods Chicago for $21.95. This same month, he
> purchases a hand
> pistol.
First of all, the rifle purchase was NEVER proven. You have a trail
of bad "evidence" linking him to a rifle purchase, and then you have
the small problem of the rifle being found being TOTALLY DIFFERENT
from the one the "evidence" showed he would have purchased if he did
order it. How do you clear that one up? It has been 45 years and
still NO answer yet.
Secondly, the pistol was ordered in January, NOT March, but it was
delivered in March allegedly along with the rifle. Geez, these WC
apologist writers CAN'T even get the basics right, but we are supposed
to believe they have solved the major points for us. This is a major
point, as many CTers have wondered why the pistol took so long to be
delivered when it was ordered in January. It seems to "tidy" that it
came at the SAME TIME as the rifle allegedly did.
> March, 1963 – Lee Harvey Oswald is photographed in his backyard by his
> wife displaying these weapons.
Again, NO firm proof this is LHO has ever been presented. In fact,
many tells in the photos show they are most likely fakes of LHO
holding the rifle and the pistol. Can Mr. May explain the chin for
us? Or the shadows?
> April, 1963 – Lee Harvey Oswald attempts the assassination of General
> Walker, He fails.
Again, ONLY LNers, the WC and Walt claim this to be true when NO proof
was ever presented to show it is what happened. Where is your PROOF
YoHarvey this attempt was done by LHO?
> Summer, 1963 – Lee Harvey Oswald, in New Orleans starts a Fair Play
> for Cuba
> Committee and passes out pamphlets on the streets. He engages in
> fisticuffs with
> several anti-Castro Supporters. He recruits nobody for his committee.
The NO police said this whole "altercation" seemed staged to them. It
was an obvious attempt to get some free publicity for this phony group
LHO was told to setup. The ONLY value this incident had was to show
early investigators and researchers that LHO was being handled by
intelligence groups. He was being "sheep-dipped" by them and was given
a cover to pursue whatever assignment he had gotten from them.
> July, 1963 – Lee Harvey Oswald receives letter from the Department of
> the Navy
> refusing to overturn his undesireable discharge.
More B.S. to build his credibility as it is common sense (to anyone
but LNers of course) that a man who was discharged under the
conditions LHO was and then "defects" to the arch enemy should NOT
have an honorable discharge!
> Sept, 1963 – A.P. Reporter Richard Harker interviews Fidel Castro at
> the Brazilian embassy in Havana. Castro goes on record with “if the
> American Government continues
> attempts on the lives of Cuban Government Officials, they in turn will
> not be safe”. This
> story appears for the first time on September 9th in the New Orleans
> Times Picayune. Oswald, a rabid newspaper reader, no doubts see this.
What does this prove? It could have been idle chatter politicians use
as there is NO proof Castro was involved in the killing of JFK. In
fact, it was to his advantage to have JFK in the White House as they
were working on a peaceful solution utilizing back channels. The ONLY
group who was vehemently opposed to these "peace feelers" was the CIA
(acting on behalf of the super rich who they work for of course) as
they wanted Cuba back for the casinos, drugs, and other various vices
it offered. Also, Cuba declined a central bank after the revolution,
so the families that control the money of most countries in the world
was left out in the cold.
David Talbot talked about how the CIA used the couriers the Kennedys
sent on peace missions as unknowing participants in their games to
kill Castro. The one guy, can't remember his name, was going to go
diving with Castro and the CIA laced the "wet suit" he was going to
give to Castro with a poison to kill him. It did not work. They also
laced sugar (if I recall correctly) with a poison or simply destroyed
it, whatever they did, RFK was furious about. Harvey was behind most
of this stuff.
Castro had either been CIA or a contract agent, so he knew how the CIA
worked, that is why he was always one step ahead of them. He was
supposed to follow orders when he overthrew Batista (I guess he was
NOT listening to the US handlers much anymore) but he instead decided
he was in charge. This is why the CIA was OBSESSED with Castro. Don't
think this can happen? Look at Saddam Hussein, he was set-up the same
way. Ditto for the "Shah of Iran". This is how the game is played in
the intelligence world.
> September – 1963 – Lee Harvey Oswald goes to Mexico City to obtain
> Visa to Cuba. He is turned down.
Just another claim with NO proof behind it. Isn't it funny how they
call out CTers if they don't have firm proof but the LNers can claim
whatever they want with NO proof!
> September – 1963 – White House announces JFK’s trip to Dallas in
> November.
The ONLY true thing in this post so far.
> All of these events in Oswalds life occurred BEFORE it was announced
> JFK would visit Dallas in November.
You have failed to prove LHO's involvment in these things so what is
your/the writer's point?
> October – 1963 – Lee Harvey Oswald obtains temporary job at the Texas
> School Book Depository.
Again a true statement. Funny how he leaves OUT how he got the job,
huh?
> In the fall of 1963, a devoted Castro Supporter (he wanted to name his
> new baby “Fidel”)
> has his life spiraling out of control (per brother Robert). He has
> virtually no money.
> He continues to beat his wife. She throws him out and he moves into a
> boarding house.
> Agent Hosty and the FBI are harassing him. The Navy Department has
> rejected his
> discharge request. His only assassination attempt has failed. Lee
> Harvey Oswald, an
> individual who believes he is superior to most has failed at
> everything he has attempted.
> On November 21, he attempts one last reconciliation with his wife.
> She refuses. On
> November 22, Lee Harvey Oswald had the means, motive and opportunity
> to assassinate
> John F. Kennedy.
>
> He succeeds.
Pure B.S., there is NOT a lick of proof for any of these claims. As
for the wife beating stuff, Marina finally admitted under WC oath (I
agree it was NOT worth much) to Sen. Russell that LHO ONLY HIT HER
ONCE! I agree, NO times is good, but someone could lose their temper
once and do it, not excusing it, but this is hardly the continual
beating the WC would lie about later on.
> The problem as I see it is most conspiracy theorists have spent 45
> years with ballistics results, wound trajectories, autopsy results at
> the expense of KNOWING Lee Harvey
> Oswald; who he was and what he stood for.
I.E. the "core evidence" of the case! Sure, it is better to mind read
and guess than look at the CORE EVIDENCE of a murder case!
>Duncan MacPherson, world
> renowned
> wound ballistic expert has said “the JFK autopsy was business as usual
> but few autopsies
> have ever come under the scrutiny of this one”.
Business as usual??? This guy was paid a lot of money to lie like
this.
> MacPherson went on to
> say that anybody believing JFK was shot from the front knows “little
> about physics and even
> less about ballistics”.
Well he has proven he is "liar for hire" as all the doctors and nurses
at PH knew from gun wounds, and they all said the throat wound and the
right front temporal wounds came from in front of the president.
> Independent verification of the backyard
> photographs, the autopsy
> x-rays and photographs and the ballistic evidence can result in only
> one opinion.
Of course as they are either paid to say LHO did it or they are afraid
for their careers or worse.
> The
> conspiracy community has been unable to reach ANY conclusions over the
> past 45 years
> for one reason.
Another lie. Quite a few solid, way more solid than the LN theory,
have been reached, the government and media simply ignores them.
> The case was solved in 1963.
In your dreams, the ONLY thing solved in 1963 was that it was a
CONSPIRACY!
> So why did the U. S.
> Government cover
> up the assassination?
Because some parts of were involved as they did the bidding of their
masters (i.e. those who control our money) so they couldn't show the
country we had gone through a "coup d'etat" like those "Banana
Republics" in South America do.
> Laurence Keenan, 81, retired FBI agent has said
> “I was sent to
> Mexico City to follow up on Oswald’s trail”. “I was recalled to
> Washington within 3
> days”. “It was the worst investigation the FBI was ever involved
> in”.
It sure was, but who needs to "investigate" when you "already know who
the fall guy is?"
> Keenan and the
> American Government knew Lee Harvey Oswald had assassinated the
> President of the
> United States over his loyalty to Fidel Castro and the Cuban
> Revolution.
Knowing and proving are a loooooong ways apart. Besides, what made
them "know" this in the first place? Oh that is right, they set LHO up
in this "role" in the first place.
> To avoid any
> confrontation with Cuba and the Soviet Union possibly resulting in a
> nuclear confron-
> tation, the American people and the world had to be convinced Oswald
> was the sole
> killer.
If he was the real killer they wouldn't have "to convince" anyone LHO
did it, the EVIDENCE would show this!
> Per General Alexander Haig: “Lyndon Johnson took to his
> grave the knowledge
> Lee Harvey Oswald had killed the President of the United States over
> Cuba”.
Really? I have read many other quotes from LBJ where he makes it quite
clear the CIA was involved. He NEVER believed LHO did it because he
was privy to the details of the frame in the first place. Besides, he
was THERE that day and he knew what he heard did NOT jive with what
the WC was claiming.
As for Haig, some have said he was one of the main 6 involved in the
assassinationa and coverup. I at first thought that was silly because
I only knew him from later times, but the key role in ANY
adminitstration is the SECRETARY OF STATE, as this person is the
conduit between the super rich and the president. They are always a
member of the the CFR (and usually the Tri-Lateral Commission as well,
and in some cases, like Kissinger, they are a member of the English
equivelant - RIIA - in addition to the CFR and TLC) and they have the
backs of the ones who really decide what is going to happen. This why
Hillary Clinton is being forced upon Obama, as she is CFR, she is
allegedly a CIA agent (worked for "Poppy" Bush right out of college
like her husband) and some have said she is Mossad as well. Beyond
her being CFR, I don't know if the other stuff is true, but it would
fit with the experience of the former SOSs.
If anyone is NOT familiar with the CFR I suggest you look them up.
They were setup in the early part of the 20th century as the new
"round table" commission for the super rich (some refer to them as the
Illuminati). Through this commission they "govern" the US according to
those who have researched the group. If this seems "kooky" consider
this list of CFR members:
Hillary Clinton CFR/Trilateral Commission/Bilderberg Group -
presidential candidate 2008
Barack Obama CFR (His wife Michelle is on the Chicago Board of
Directors CFR
offices) -presidential candidate 2008
Chris Dodd CFR (remember, some CT researchers have said his father
ordered the Carcano through his Sentate investigation he was
conducting)
Joseph Biden CFR -presidential candidate 2008
Bill Richardson CFR -presidential candidate 2008
Welsey Clark CFR
Newt Gingrich CFR
Dick Cheney CFR
Mitt Romney CFR (His top advisor for terrorism is from BLACKWATER and
who was
under investigation by the CIA, and as of today found GUILTY.) -
presidential candidate 2008
Mike Huckabee CFR -presidential candidate 2008
John McCain CFR -presidential candidate 2008
Rudy Giuliani CFR (His legal firm has ties to the NAU) -presidential
candidate 2008
Bill Clinton CFR
Condeleeza Rice CFR
Donald Rumsfeld CFR
Pretty scary huh? The only two major candidates for president in 2008
who were NOT CFR affliated were Ron Paul and John Edwards. Edwards
has ties to the Bilderberg group though so he was controlled, but
obviously he did something as they exposed his alleged infidelity
after he stepped out of the race. SO that leaves Ron Paul and the
third party candidates. Why do you think a third party candidate
NEVER gets a chance?
For some this will be too much to believe, so I expect the "kook"
label to come this way, but consider one thing. IF the CFR was NOT
such a secret and controlled group, why is Dick Cheney on video saying
he hid the fact from the voters that he was the chairman of the CFR
when he ran for office in Wyoming? It is searchable so you can see for
yourself. IF you have nothing to hide, why all the chicanery?
David Von Pein
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b6078bee06b02bdd
I see Robby The Inconceivable Kook is still at it -- mangling the
evidence (or, more likely, ignoring it altogether) in order to
exonerate his prized Patsy for all 11/22/63 murders in Dallas, Texas.
No matter how many times these things are explained and proven...kooks
like Robby pretend they are unproven -- like the Backyard Photos (to
name but one example among Robby's laundry list of silliness in his
latest Nov. 24th post).
It doesn't matter to Rob-Kook that Marina admitted to taking the
pictures. (She admitted to that in 1964 to the WC; she admitted that
to Gerald Posner in 1992 or 1993; and she admitted that to Vincent
Bugliosi on November 30, 2000.)
It doesn't matter to Rob-Kook that the HSCA's 20-member panel of
photographic experts said that all of the Backyard Photos were
"unaltered" in any manner.
It doesn't matter to Rob-Kook that a photo turned up in George
DeMohrenschildt's possessions in 1977 -- with this photo having been
autographed by Lee Oswald. (Probably another "fake" signature of
Lee's; right, Mister Kook?)
And it doesn't matter to Rob The Retard that tests were done in the
Neely Street backyard itself, testing the shadows, to determine
whether or not the Backyard Photos were forgeries....with the results
of those tests being:
When a person stood just where Lee Harvey Oswald stood in the Neely
St. backyard, with the sun shining brightly overhead (matching the
sunlighting conditions of 3/31/63 when the real photos were taken by
Marina Oswald), the shadows within a resulting photograph were
IDENTICAL on the face of the Oswald stand-in as they were on the real
Lee Oswald's face in the real Backyard Photographs....with a STRAIGHT
shadow leading down from the nose to the upper lip, and an ANGLED
shadow leading away from the body of the stand-in toward the backyard
fence. The test photos were exactly the same (shadow-wise) as the real
Backyard Photos.
None of these things, however, matter to a conspiracy-happy idiot like
Robert Caprio. He's content and happy to dredge up already-refuted
conspiracy nonsense, day and night, for years on end.
Why do conspiracy clowns like Robby do this, over and over again?
Perhaps we will never know. But it sure as hell is one weird-ass hobby
you've got there, Robby.
robcap...@netscape.com
> www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b6078bee06b02bdd
>
> I see Robby The Inconceivable Kook is still at it -- mangling the
> evidence (or, more likely, ignoring it altogether) in order to
> exonerate his prized Patsy for all 11/22/63 murders in Dallas, Texas.
The ONLY group "ignoring" and "mangling" the evidence, and flat-out
lying when that doesn't work, is WC apologists like you Davy.
> No matter how many times these things are explained and proven...kooks
> like Robby pretend they are unproven -- like the Backyard Photos (to
> name but one example among Robby's laundry list of silliness in his
> latest Nov. 24th post).
LOL!!! IF something is PROVEN then there is NO debate. Dave always
lies about this point, the debate is raging 45 years later because the
government, through their various phony commissions, did NOT PROVE
ANYTHING they claimed!
I'm glad you mentioned the BY photos Davy, as your teammate - Walt,
won't discuss the shadows, chin, etc... with me, will you?
> It doesn't matter to Rob-Kook that Marina admitted to taking the
> pictures. (She admitted to that in 1964 to the WC; she admitted that
> to Gerald Posner in 1992 or 1993; and she admitted that to Vincent
> Bugliosi on November 30, 2000.)
Was the WC a legal counsel set up to meet the legal cannons of the
Constitution? Was LHO given a fair representation? NO, so who cares
what someone said to the WC, it is NOT LEGAL AND BINDING like a court
of law is. She has been shown in many, many instances that she lied to
go along with what the Commission wanted. Her word, being his spouse,
is NOT proof of anything.
> It doesn't matter to Rob-Kook that the HSCA's 20-member panel of
> photographic experts said that all of the Backyard Photos were
> "unaltered" in any manner.
They lied. It doesn't bother you that they same group offered up
experts that said a fourth shot was fired from the Grassy Knoll, you
just IGNORE that fact. How come?
Will Davy address the contrasting shadow times? The chin that was NOT
LHO's chin? The bulges that move? The fact the person is taller in
one of the photos? The fact when the two are overlayed the ONLY thing
that matches up perfectly is the head!!!! (in terms of proportion)
There are many more, but my guess is I'm wasting my fngers here, he
will run like the rest of them from these issues.
You see, it is MUCH EASIER to claim things WITHOUT having to prove
them.
> It doesn't matter to Rob-Kook that a photo turned up in George
> DeMohrenschildt's possessions in 1977 -- with this photo having been
> autographed by Lee Oswald. (Probably another "fake" signature of
> Lee's; right, Mister Kook?)
Where did this photo come from Davy? Why is the DeMohrenschildt phot
uncropped? There was NO proof that showed LHO wrote on the back of
the photo, the sample is way to small to prove one way or the other.
> And it doesn't matter to Rob The Retard that tests were done in the
> Neely Street backyard itself, testing the shadows, to determine
> whether or not the Backyard Photos were forgeries....with the results
> of those tests being:
The issues of the shadows showing contrasting times of the day doesn't
bother Dave the Dunderhead either. Or that someone has a different
chin then they actuall had. NO, this does not bother Davy in the
least.
> When a person stood just where Lee Harvey Oswald stood in the Neely
> St. backyard, with the sun shining brightly overhead (matching the
> sunlighting conditions of 3/31/63 when the real photos were taken by
> Marina Oswald), the shadows within a resulting photograph were
> IDENTICAL on the face of the Oswald stand-in as they were on the real
> Lee Oswald's face in the real Backyard Photographs....with a STRAIGHT
> shadow leading down from the nose to the upper lip, and an ANGLED
> shadow leading away from the body of the stand-in toward the backyard
> fence. The test photos were exactly the same (shadow-wise) as the real
> Backyard Photos.
Please, what "experts" concluded this? Was Neely St. some magical
place? Maybe LHO got the "magic" bullet from there! This is pure
junk, there is NO reason why the body and the head would show
different times of the day if the photo is genuine. Sun reflection
just doesn't work that way. Furthermore, the day on which the photos
were allegedly taken was NOT sunny, it was an overcast day so the re-
enactments are wrong from the get-go.
> None of these things, however, matter to a conspiracy-happy idiot like
> Robert Caprio. He's content and happy to dredge up already-refuted
> conspiracy nonsense, day and night, for years on end.
What things? Some claims of yours and some "experts"? I want proof.
Now how about that chin Davy, can you tell us how LHO's chin
metamorphed into a square one for the photos and then went back to a
cleft version later on?
> Why do conspiracy clowns like Robby do this, over and over again?
> Perhaps we will never know. But it sure as hell is one weird-ass hobby
> you've got there, Robby.
Because liars like you NEVER PROVIDE ANY PROOF FOR YOUR SILLY
CLAIMS!
Bud
Floors don`t hold floors up, retard.
> At what temperture would the steel beams start to lose there
> strength??
Covered and recovered, ad nauseam. The fires burned at a heat
sufficient to weaken the steel.
> Do you really believe the fires were hot enough to weaken those
> massive steel beams??
It is established fact.
> You're not very well educated about this are you??
What are your qualifications, idiot? You saw a fire once?
David Von Pein
>>> "Please, what "experts" concluded this?" <<<
Watch "A CBS News Inquiry: The Warren Report" (c.1967).
A man went to the Neely backyard on 3/31/67...luckily it was sunny
that day...pictures were taken of the man in the backyard...and the
shadows on his face were identical with Oswald's in the BY pics.
Next question for the kook:
Why were your idiot patsy-framers so stupid when they faked the BY
photos? Why didn't they make sure they got the shadows right?
robcap...@netscape.com
> >>> "Please, what "experts" concluded this?" <<<
>
> Watch "A CBS News Inquiry: The Warren Report" (c.1967).
>
> A man went to the Neely backyard on 3/31/67...luckily it was sunny
> that day...pictures were taken of the man in the backyard...and the
> shadows on his face were identical with Oswald's in the BY pics.
Unfortunately for CBS, WC and Davy it was NOT sunny on the day they
alleged the BY photos were taken. Folks have looked into this and
said it was a cloudy, overcast day. The foliage is way to advanced
for late March as well.
NO "expert" worth their salt would ever claim you could get one time
of day for a nose shadow and ANOTHER COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TIME OF DAY
for the body shadow. ONLY paid "liar for hire" experts would claim
this.
> Next question for the kook:
>
> Why were your idiot patsy-framers so stupid when they faked the BY
> photos? Why didn't they make sure they got the shadows right?
Who knows, I DON'T SPEAK for the conspriators. They messed up a lot,
they even used the WRONG KIND OF CHIN, but when the "investigation" is
controlled by the authorties I guess they figured there was NO
problem. I mean the WC was NOT a court of law with rules of evidence
to follow, so they knew ANYTHING COULD BE CLAIMED and if the media
went along who was going to argue?
I do NOT think for one minute they ever envisioned the amount of
scrutiny that came almost immediately after the report was released.
As Allen Dulles said, they expected very few to read the report and
nearly no one to read the 26 volumes in the first place to see they
were lying. They were mistaken as some early critics like Meagher,
Lane, Weisberg and Salandria got the ball rolling and it hasn't
stopped since.
The government has lied to the American people for a long time with
the media's help so they thought the American people would just
believe this lie to without question. It really is the first time in
our history so many Americans vocalized their disbelief in what the
government told them.
David Von Pein
>>> "Unfortunately for CBS, WC and Davy it was NOT sunny on the day they alleged the BY photos were taken. Folks have looked into this and said it was a cloudy, overcast day." <<<
LOL.
You sure could have fooled me on that one, Robby. Looks like a nice
sunny day to me. But to an Anybody-But-Oswald mega-kook like Robcap,
white becomes black, guilty becomes innocent, and sunny becomes
cloudy. Go figure. ~shrug~
But, as can easily be seen, we have bright sunshine, causing deep
shadows at the time the Backyard Photos were taken by Marina Oswald on
Sunday, March 31st, 1963. It appears as though LHO might even be
squinting a little bit from the bright sunlight in these pictures:
ADDENDUM:
>>> "...it was a cloudy, overcast day." <<<
But it was nice enough for Marina to be hanging clothes on the
clothesline outside the apartment. Right, kook?
>>> "The foliage is way to advanced for late March as well." <<<
You're an idiot.
It was the very last day in March in Dallas, TEXAS. It wasn't way up
north in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
Plus: what type of "advanced foliage" are you talking about anyway? I
see one scraggly-looking bush or shrub behind Oswald in the pictures,
and I guess there could be a tree in the background with some leaves
on it. But why is this so "advanced" for foliage in the state of Texas
ten days deep into the season of spring?
The CT nuts have more excuses to disregard the truth about the
Backyard Photos than David G. Healy has holes in his arms from his
daily drug injections.
Incredibly, after 45 years and after many, many people have PROVEN
that the photos are legit and genuine and real (including Marina
Oswald--several times)....we're still treated to kooks like Rob, who
dredge up the fantasy about the Backyard Photos being fakes.
Well, I guess it just goes to prove that world-famous adage --- You
can't teach an old conspiracy-happy mega-kook new tricks in the Neely
backyard.
aeffects
<snippage>
> Well, I guess it just goes to prove that world-famous adage --- You
> can't teach an old conspiracy-happy mega-kook new tricks in the Neely
> backyard.
hon, here's an adage for sick freako lone nut pukster such as
yourself, you haven't a pot to piss in, much let alone a window to
throw it out of.... You want credibility hon, ya gotta gird those
tender loins of yours, step into the light, identify yourself, knock
off being a coward...
HBO has no interest in pukes, hon..... even DMyers is finding the
going tough these day's..... Hey, ya think Dale was a high school AV
guy? Just curious.
Gil Jesus
> Many years ago,Jackie Kennedy had it right when she said “my husband
> didn’t even die for civil rights. He died for some silly little communist”.
no source ???
"On Bobby's funeral train, Jacqueline Kennedy-----so stoic after
Dallas ----- threw herself on his coffin, sobbing "Oh my God, Oh my
God". It was McNamara who finally calmed her down, grabbing her and
holding her in his arms.
Later, her sorrow turned to bitterness.
"IF THEY'RE KILLING KENNEDYS, THEN MY CHILDREN ARE TARGETS", she
said,
" I WANT TO GET OUT OF THIS COUNTRY." Soon she would find a way, by
marrying Greek shipping tycoon Aristotle Onassis."
( Talbot, BROTHERS, pg. 371 )
Now, does THAT sound like someone who accepted the "reality of who
was
responsible for her husband's death" ?
MORON