Re: MESSAGE FOR WILLIAM KELLY RE: "ON TRIAL: LEE HARVEY OSWALD"

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David Von Pein

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Mar 24, 2009, 1:59:38 AM3/24/09

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Since I can't post directly at The Education Forum, I thought I'd post
this information here (regarding the above-linked thread concerning
the 1986 TV trial, "ON TRIAL: LEE HARVEY OSWALD").

Perhaps David Healy or someone else who is a current "Education"
member can copy-&-paste this message into a post at that forum, or
provide a link to this post (just for "FYI" sake):

William Kelly at The Education Forum wanted to know if the 1986
Bugliosi/Spence mock trial had been "transcribed".

The answer is -- Yes.

Vincent Bugliosi references the "Transcript of 'On Trial'" many, many
times in his book "Reclaiming History", with VB citing specific page
numbers within the transcript each time he makes reference to it as
well. And the transcript is huge too, taking up more than 1,000 pages.

A typical "On Trial" citation in Bugliosi's book looks like this:

"112. Transcript of 'On Trial', July 25, 1986, pp.994–995,
1055."

I've tried to gain access to the whole "On Trial" written transcript,
but I've had no luck in obtaining a copy. Maybe some day I'll get
lucky and get ahold of a copy.

I've also tried to obtain (through lawyer Jack Duffy in Fort Worth, a
friend of Mr. Bugliosi's) a copy of the entire unedited, 21-hour
version of "On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald". But I received no reply from
Mr. Duffy at all.

I'd love to see what was said during the 16 hours of "ON TRIAL" that
ended up on the cutting-room floor. I know that at least one witness
had 100% of his testimony cut out of the aired TV version completely
-- Jack Tatum.

BTW, if anyone should happen to give this message to the people over
at The Education Forum, they could also tell Duncan MacRae that the
testimony of the witnesses at the '86 mock trial that we see on the TV
screen is almost certainly NOT "unedited".

Duncan seems to think the 5-hour TV version of the 21-hour trial shows
"unedited" witness testimony. But that is certainly incorrect (at
least as far as some of the witnesses are concerned), seeing as how
more than 75% of the whole trial was cut out in the first place before
any of it ever aired on Showtime in November 1986.

Another "FYI" -- The testimony of a few witnesses has been edited and
trimmed even more in my 30-part "On Trial" series that I put together
recently at YouTube:

www.YouTube.com/view_play_list?p=1993B641DFC1CB06

I think Mr. MacRae might also like to see this review for the DVD of
"On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald":

www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/3455512-post.html

Thank you.

David Von Pein

www.DavidVonPein.blogspot.com

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tims...@gmail.com

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Mar 24, 2009, 5:40:49 AM3/24/09

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On Mar 24, 4:59 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=aa5e5fcc318614f1e88d10e...

> www.google.com/group/reclaiming-history/browse_thread/thread/2d1eebb7...
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LOL! It looks like the ol' Tootsie Roll fella, David *aeffects* Healy,
has actually passed on the message to Bill Kelly @ the Edu Forum.
Maybe ol' Healy ain't ALL bad. On seconds thoughts... :-)

BTW, DVP, remember that there is a Mrs Zaun (Mrs Zorn?) shown in the
show during the Wecht segment? She is the court reporter and is typing
as the protagonists speak, so I suppose the On Trial transcript would
be in a standard courtroom format?

I'm assuming that she would have been a real court reporter from Judge
Lucius D. Bunton's actual court staff in Texas? All the court
personnel were real employees brought over from Texas for the filming
in London, as I understand it.

Regards,

Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*

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David Von Pein

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Mar 24, 2009, 6:43:35 AM3/24/09

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>>> "BTW, DVP, remember that there is a Mrs Zaun (Mrs Zorn?) shown in the show during the Wecht segment? She is the court reporter and is typing as the protagonists speak, so I suppose the On Trial transcript would be in a standard courtroom format?" <<<

Yes, I assume so.

And, yes, you're quite correct regarding Mrs. Zahn. She can be seen
taking down the testimony.

>>> "All the court personnel were real employees brought over from Texas for the filming in London, as I understand it." <<<

I think that's probably correct, yes (although I'm not positive of
that fact).

Some CTers have claimed that the jurors at the mock trial were merely
"actors" (i.e., they were just pretending to be jurors). But that's
not an accurate statement at all. The jurors were chosen from the
actual court rolls of Dallas County, Texas, just as would have been
the case in a real trial (with a living, breathing Lee Oswald as the
defendant).

Addendum......

Thank you, David G. Healy, for providing a link to this thread at The
Education Forum. I appreciate it.

David Von Pein

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Mar 24, 2009, 8:11:59 PM3/24/09

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Another FYI message for Duncan MacRae (just to keep the record
straight):

DUNCAN SAID:

>>> "What I actually meant when I said that the witness testimony was unedited, was that the version that David Von Pein uploaded to Youtube is unedited from the original DVD." <<<

DVP NOW SAYS:

No, it isn't.

I've edited a little bit of the witness testimony in my YouTube
series, so that I could fit the whole testimony session of certain
witnesses into just a single 10-minute YouTube video (e.g., Cecil Kirk
and Seth Kantor).

David Von Pein

Gil Jesus

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Mar 25, 2009, 6:05:36 AM3/25/09

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On Mar 24, 1:59�am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=aa5e5fcc318614f1e88d10e...
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> Since I can't post directly at The Education Forum, I thought I'd post

> this information here .

Responding to a poster's message in another forum is like hitting
someone when their back is turned.

It's a cheap shot.

And par for the course for you.

justm...@gmail.com

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Mar 25, 2009, 6:46:57 AM3/25/09

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Oh really? Then why does your buddie Rossley do it all the time
instead of answering people on McAdams forum? He brings the posts over
here.

Besides asshole had you read the post, DVP was giving Bill Kelly some
information he was asking for, not bad mouthing anyone. That's what
you do over on the Uneducated forum isn't it Chico? Post things about
people over there that can't defend themselves. Now, let's talk about
cheap shot, you lying bigot!