"On Zapruder's Pedestal":
http://youtube.com/watch?v=W6lzVhkBmH0&feature=related
"Z-Film Wide":
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1G_Zxup7esU
The wall in the background compared to the seize of the cars on elm is
two times higher in the Z-film, than it is in the non- manipulated
film of DP, taken by someone "On Zapruder's Pedestal." !
Open and belittle both Y- Tube videos. And compare the clips, (by stop
and go. )
To me it seems, that the wall in the Z -film got a much higher
(unnatural)"Zoom-In" than the Lincoln(and it's passengers) on elm,
which indicates that the Z-film was made out of at last two different
copies. (With two different Zooms.)
Conclusion:
The Z- Film is manipulated trash, worth just for one reason: to see,
that this piece of film was tortured and tortured again.
Typical kook comment.
It looks fine to sane, rational people, and people with a lot more
technical knowledge than you have pronounced it as genuine.
The whole notion that the Zapruder film was altered in some way is
nutty-which is probably why you endorse it.
Non-kooks don't need the film to solve the crime...most murder cases
aren't captured on film, obviously, and the prints, autopsy results,
ballistics, etc. all point towards one man-your hero, Lee Oswald.
It's funny how you kooks will use the Zfilm to impeach the WC version
of events-shot 'timings', witness reactions, etc. and then shamelessly
turn around and claim it was altered.
But being the kook you are, you undoubtably see no irony in my point.
Why not just destroy the film or keep it locked up under some bogus
"national security" concern? Was the CIA 'afraid' of an investigation
later that would find out they destroyed some old dressmaker's home
movie?
Lone, I've been reading your drivel on-and-off for about two years.
You're dumb. Stick to yodeling in the Alps.
On your first link, look where the SN, the SE corner of the TSBD and
where it would be. How could anyone say the shots came from behind
him (Zapruder) and possibly confuse that area from which a shot or
shots came? If you look closely, that area of the TSBD would actually
be a little in front of Zapruder and off to the left side.
> "Z-Film Wide":http://youtube.com/watch?v=1G_Zxup7esU
>
> The wall in the background compared to the seize of the cars on elm is
> two times higher in the Z-film, than it is in the non- manipulated
> film of DP, taken by someone "On Zapruder's Pedestal." !
> Open and belittle both Y- Tube videos. And compare the clips, (by stop
> and go. )
>
> To me it seems, that the wall in the Z -film got a much higher
> (unnatural)"Zoom-In" than the Lincoln(and it's passengers) on elm,
> which indicates that the Z-film was made out of at last two different
> copies. (With two different Zooms.)
>
This might bolster your observations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-rcdBNFnGs&feature=related
> Conclusion:
> The Z- Film is manipulated trash, worth just for one reason: to see,
> that this piece of film was tortured and tortured again.
It shows how wide-spread and organized the Conspiracy was to murder
JFK.
CJ
indeed Roland Zavada did announce the film is surely Kodacolor II 8mm
film. He told me [a few years back], he's not competent enough to say
whether or not the content on the film is accurate. Thats why Roland
enlisted the help of Raymond Fielding (film production/special effects
historian) in updating his ARRB "Zavada" report on the Zapruder film.
Unfortunately, that hasn't happened yet. They've either jettisoned the
'update' project or simply can't diffuse the charge of Z-film
alteration....
So yes, many sane, rational folks with much more expertise than YOU
Chuckie daShoe have pronounced it, A-L-T-E-R-E-D. Those in the know
[in the Nutter camp], know exactly what needs to be done in order to
validate the extant Zapruder Film currently in storage at NARA. You
ain't one of them toots-e-roll....
Carry on troop!
> The whole notion that the Zapruder film was altered in some way is
> nutty-which is probably why you endorse it.
>
> Non-kooks don't need the film to solve the crime...most murder cases
> aren't captured on film, obviously, and the prints, autopsy results,
> ballistics, etc. all point towards one man-your hero, Lee Oswald.
>
So why run from the film itself if you think you have anything to go
on. Nobody saw 'your man' shoot the President, yet you want us to
believe that we should.
> It's funny how you kooks will use the Zfilm to impeach the WC version
> of events-shot 'timings', witness reactions, etc. and then shamelessly
> turn around and claim it was altered.
>
> But being the kook you are, you undoubtably see no irony in my point.
>
No, but we see the twistedness in your logic.
> Why not just destroy the film or keep it locked up under some bogus
> "national security" concern? Was the CIA 'afraid' of an investigation
> later that would find out they destroyed some old dressmaker's home
> movie?
>
They did, until it was pried out, wasn't it? That should be a grave
concern to one who is unabnormal.
CJ
> Lone, I've been reading your drivel on-and-off for about two years.
>
> You're dumb. Stick to yodeling in the Alps.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
you may find the below link interesting:
http://assassinationscience.com/johncostella/hoax/index.html
there's MANY twists and turns regarding the Z-film, most CT's refer to
the film as ALTERED
Merci
Anyone who thinks the Zapruder film was altered is a nut case.
Anyone who thinks Oswald was innocent is a nut case.
Case closed.
we understand SCAB that you think your Johnson is bigger than anyone
elses here....
CASE OPEN..... toots-e-roll
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Everyone who believes in the SBT is a Criminal
Everyone who RUNS from his own evidence/testimony is a Criminal
Everyone who Refuses to address evidence/testimony is a Criminal.
CASE OPEN
Pick one of these Lapdog;
ttp://www.whokilledjfk.net/spy.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/danrather.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/horne__report.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/officer_m.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/RACE%20TO%20TSBD.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/mexcity.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/Rifle.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/single_bullet.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/media_page.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/Lattimer.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/orders_of_silence.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/tramps.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/altering_evidence.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/altgens.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/gil_jesus_page.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/videopg.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/AUDIO%20PAGE.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/zapruder%20film.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/you_asked_for_it.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/catch_of_the_day.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/autopsy.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/characters.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/RACE%20TO%20TSBD.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/croft_photo_with_anaylisis.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/Evid%20Tamp.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/VEITNAM.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/CIA.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/PROVEN%20LIES.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/CASE%20DISMISSED.htm
David Healy, Lone, Walt, Curt...can Holmes or robcap be far behind?
Look, guys...the Z film wasn't 'pried' away from anyone. CT'er Josiah
Thompson writes that it is likely that Life staffers bootlegged copies
of the Zfilm the weekend.
Many people saw the film prior to Goodnight America and Geraldo
Rivera...it just wasn't broadcast to an American audience prior to
1975. Times were different. No YouTube, internet, basically no cable
television, etc. Other films of and surrounding the assassination
were shown to wider audiences, but the Zfilm was suitably bloody
enough to give network executives pause before airing it. It's still
tough to watch.
But in the world of Megakookville, which you idiots all reside in, no
explanation is reasonable, rational or logical.
CT'er Martin Shackelford has posted detailed timelines showing where
the Zfilm was and when it got there and who had it.
Don't you see how silly you sound? Why not posit that a flying saucer
kidnapped JFK???...it's just as plausible as the childish rubbish you
people sling.
you sound like a fucking Lone Nut loon these day's Chuckie daShoe....
perhaps you should take up drinking, at least put that crackpipe down
your embarrassing the .john crowd toots-e-roll!
You only believe Martin because it is an easy way out. Erwin
Schwartz, Zapruder's employee took it to the airport to be sent to
NDIC in Washington on the evening of the day of the assassination.
Luce of Time-Life was so anti-Kennedy that he was funding his own
ships to Cuba. Do we see a conflict of interest there? Very highly
affiliated with the America's upper crust and has CIA connections.
Zapruder even belongs to CIA affiliated Dallas Council.
We talked about earlier this year in a thread.
> Here if from Erwin Schwartz,Zapruder'sbusiness partner, who by the
> way watched the film in it's entirety (with the 30 other people) and
> was with the film the entire way. He insists that he saw JFK's head
> had it's blood and brains come out the back of his head even though we
> don't see it in the film today. Schwartz took what appears to be the
> original to Hensley Field Naval Air Station the night of the 22nd to
> go to Washington, NPIC. NPIC produces film, and print test. Print
> Test means a test run to see if it's too light or too dark, and is
> only done with originals. Then when that was finished and films were
> made, "Proc.dry", was denoted which means a designation that means
> original. Now Stolley says he got the 'original' on Saturday (plenty
> of time to get NPIC back to whoever if needed be). Then it went to
> the Chicago Life office. C.D. Jackson saw a copy on Sunday. Schwartz
> is solid the film did not go to Life until Tuesday the 26th. Of
> course there are a hundred scenarios on how many films were made even
> at that early juncture and to who they could have gone to, and even to
> the point that NPIC could have made some early film and sent it on to
> Life for some early pics for their magazine, and many films could have
> been made to be exchanged for any earlier films made. All one needs
> is for these main players to be conspirators. Even Schwartz was tight
> with the Dallas Mob with the Campisi brothers (Ruby there the night
> before the assassination. Schwartz in tight with Ruby, gambled
> together and had the same rabbi. Schwartz andZapruderlawyer
> represented Campisi and CIA respectively. Zapruderis already tight
> with DeMorenshildt, and Dallas Oil community. H.L. Hunt, Marcello,
> Campisi, JEH, Ruby, LBJ, Curry, all present at the Murchison Party the
> night prior to assassination. Curington, H.L Hunt's right hand man
> sees LHO, Ruby, deMorenshildt, and one other key player on "various"
> occasions. Connection of Clare Luce Boothe, gives Marina $25K after
> the assassination. Marina seen coming from H.L. Hunt's office after
> he gets back from Mexico. It's really not that difficult to have
> connections that are plausible here for conspiracy and alteration.
Chuck, quit fantasy profiling and read a thread or a book.
Livingstone, Hoax of the Century 1995 would be a good start. Oh,
LNT'ers don't read? Oh well.
CJ
Of course it was... that's merely historical fact.
>> CT'er Josiah Thompson writes that it is likely that Life staffers
>> bootlegged copies of the Zfilm the weekend.
LNT'ers love to deal with speculations... all you have to do is *PRODUCE* a
single bootlegged copy known to have been created that weekend.
That would go a long way to proving your case... yet you don't do it.
>> Many people saw the film prior to Goodnight America and Geraldo
>> Rivera...
And some of those "many people" describe features in the film that no longer
exist.
Something that LNT'ers (including Martin) simply cannot explain. Certainly
*this* troll won't.
>> it just wasn't broadcast to an American audience prior to
>> 1975. Times were different. No YouTube, internet, basically no cable
>> television, etc. Other films of and surrounding the assassination
>> were shown to wider audiences, but the Zfilm was suitably bloody
>> enough to give network executives pause before airing it. It's still
>> tough to watch.
Too tough to use as evidence in a murder case?
The truth is out, now... we know that the extant Z-film has significant problems
that LNT'ers and the "defenders of the faith" simply will not address.
It's interesting to note that the photographs that were *IMMEDIATELY* published
- and had no opportunity to take a sidetrack to the FBI - are the very ones that
give LNT'ers the most headaches... such as Altgen's #5, showing Chaney in a
position that he's *NEVER* occupied in the extant Z-film.
>> But in the world of Megakookville, which you idiots all reside in, no
>> explanation is reasonable, rational or logical.
No explanation *HAS* been given.
For example, when I repeatedly ask why one of the original "copies" shows a
*PHYSICAL SPLICE* in the "original" between the punched number, and the
motorcade sequence, LNT'ers are simply dead silent. That "punched number" is a
perfectly valid indication of authenticity... yet it no longer exists, and even
does not exist photographically.
When I ask people for a reasonable explanation for why the limo slowdown and/or
stop is not seen by the casual viewer of the extant Z-film - LNT'ers will simply
lie and say that it is - despite the facts. No "reasonable, rational or
logical" explanation is even proffered.
But Chuckie will not hesitate to lie, and claim that "reasonable, rational or
logical" explanations already exist, and have been provided...
Yet he can't quote or cite for the two examples above, as merely two of many
possible examples.
>> CT'er Martin Shackelford has posted detailed timelines showing where
>> the Zfilm was and when it got there and who had it.
And yet, he can't explain the NPIC evidence. Nor does he even try.
He's not answered *either* of the examples I just gave above. LNT'ers love to
tout Martin (and Tony, for that matter), because they both deem eyewitness
testimony to be the weakest form of evidence, just as LNT'ers are required to
do.
>> Don't you see how silly you sound?
Providing historical facts that demand an explanation isn't silly. It's only
silly when you can't respond.
>> Why not posit that a flying saucer
>> kidnapped JFK???...
A debating tactic that doesn't work among intelligent lurkers...
>> it's just as plausible as the childish rubbish you
>> people sling.
It's simply historical fact that dozens of people reported seeing either a
dramatic slowdown, or even a brief stop of the limo. This CANNOT BE SEEN in the
extant Z-film by the casual viewer - yet those in Dealey Plaza SAW IT. There's
definitely a problem of "plasibility" here - but it's not on the CT'ers side.
We *accept* the historical fact that photographic alteration is almost as old as
photography itself.
Perhaps I'm merely biased, as I recall creating fake photographs as a 12 year
old. Took a picture of a teacher standing against a brick wall, then
double-exposed a student throwing a fist... the end result was quite
fascinating, although without a tripod, it wouldn't stand close inspection.
Photo (and X-ray) alteration in this case is a proven fact, as Mantik has
demonstrated. Still waiting for Posner, Bugliosi, or any other apologist to
step up to the plate and refute the evidence. But that day will never come.
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/6d699f2e6022b0fa
>>> "CT'er Martin Shackelford has posted detailed timelines showing where the Zfilm was and when it got there and who had it." <<<
Reading Richard Trask's excellent 2005 Z-Film book ("National
Nightmare On Six Feet Of Film") is even a better option for arriving
at the truth.
And the truth is: The Z-Film Alterationists are some of the worst kind
of Super-Kooks. (With only the "Anybody But Oswald" conspiracy
theorists outranking them in "Super-Kook" status, IMO; although,
granted, many of the same idiots belong to BOTH of those clubs.)
"NATIONAL NIGHTMARE ON SIX FEET OF FILM: MR. ZAPRUDER'S HOME MOVIE AND
THE MURDER OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY":
www.amazon.com/review/R3DGQVHYL2HMQZ
www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0963859544/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-8330534-3632809#reader-link
hon, your envy knows no boundries, toots-e-roll
> "NATIONAL NIGHTMARE ON SIX FEET OF FILM: MR. ZAPRUDER'S HOME MOVIE AND
> THE MURDER OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY":
>
> www.amazon.com/review/R3DGQVHYL2HMQZ
>
> www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0963859544/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-8330534-3632809...
We (CT's) quote the evidence/testimony in the 26 volumes.
WHY are LN's SOOOOO Fearful of their own evidence/testimony?
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/spy.htm
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>
>
>
> www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/6d699f2e6022b0fa
>
>
>
>
>
>>>> "CT'er Martin Shackelford has posted detailed timelines showing where
>>>> the Zfilm was and when it got there and who had it." <<<
>
> Reading Richard Trask's 2005 excellent Z-Film book ("National
> Nightmare On Six Feet Of Film") is even a better option for arriving
> at the truth.
>
> And the truth is: The Z-Film Alterationists are some of the worst kind
> of Super-Kooks. (With only the "Anybody But Oswald" conspiracy
> theorists outranking them in "Super-Kook" status, IMO; although,
> granted, many of the same idiots belong to BOTH of those clubs.)
>
> "NATIONAL NIGHTMARE ON SIX FEET OF FILM: MR. ZAPRUDER'S HOME MOVIE AND
> THE MURDER OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY":
>
>
> www.amazon.com/review/R3DGQVHYL2HMQZ
>
>
> www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0963859544/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-8330534-3632809#reader-link
>
indeed Roland Zavada did announce the film is surely Kodacolor II 8mm
film. He told me [a few years back], he's not competent enough to say
whether or not the content on the film is accurate. Thats why Roland
enlisted the help of Raymond Fielding (film production/special
effects
historian) in updating his ARRB "Zavada" report on the Zapruder film.
Unfortunately, that hasn't happened yet. They've either jettisoned
the
'update' project or simply can't diffuse the charge of Z-film
alteration....
So yes, many sane, rational folks with much more expertise than YOU
Chuckie daShoe have pronounced it, A-L-T-E-R-E-D. Those in the know
[in the Nutter camp], know exactly what needs to be done in order to
validate the extant Zapruder Film currently in storage at NARA. You
ain't one of them toots-e-roll....
Carry on troop!
From the idiot who doesn't believe Zarpuder even existed. roflmao.
Even "respected" CT's know the ZAP film wasn't altered. This BS is
right up there with Healy consulting for Silicon Valley and Jesus/
Robcap/curiousgeorge never doing his own mother.
I see you haven't gotten any smarter, though you somehow escaped my kill
file. Back in there with you.