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 More options Oct 15 1998, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: alt.assassination.jfk, alt.conspiracy.jfk
From: gm...@jfk.org
Date: 1998/10/15
Subject: Re: Did Crenshaw pick up a call from LBJ?
In article <700u9f$...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,
  gar...@ix.netcom.com(Gary Aguilar) wrote:

> In <6vvupc$ul...@nnrp1.dejanews.com> gm...@jfk.org writes:

> >A call was made to Parkland inquiring about Oswald.  Crenshaw's book
> says he
> >answered the phone and that the caller was LBJ.  My research showed
> the caller
> >could not have been the new president.

> >No one to my knowledge has come forward to say he made the call,
> whether on
> >LBJ's behalf or someone else's, or produced a document suggesting such
> an
> >event.

> >Neither Crenshaw's report of his activities that day,
> Where are Crenshaw's contemporaneous accounts of the day Oswald was
> treated. Are there such things?

>  or Bartlett's report,

> Bartlett wrote the Dallas Morning News herself. What? Was she
> conspiring to tell a lie? Make a fool of herself?

Parkland asked its personnel to write reports of their activities that
weekend, and they are here in our collection and in the documents we
duplicated for the ARRB.  Neither Crenshaw, Bartlett or anyone else
mentioned that there was either a call from LBJ or a call from Washington.
They did mention getting more than a few crank calls, though.

> >nor the reports of others at the switchboard that day, mention a call
> from
> >LBJ or the White House.  The reports are in our Parkland Hospital
> collection,
> >copies of which were recently furnished to the ARRB and the National
> >Archives.

> How would the absence of such a report prove no call came in?

The president calls and no one cares or notices?  I don't think so.

> >Did someone call on LBJ's behalf?  Possibly.  Did he identify himself
> as LBJ?
> >Possibly.  Was it LBJ? Nope, at least not according to available
> >documentation and the lack of any contemporaneous confirmation.

> >If someone has new information about these questions I would very much
> like to
> >see it.

> Well, here it is, again: neurosurgeon Philip Williams, MD. Have you
> called him to see whether the NY Times misquoted him?

Yes I did and he was quoted accurately.  There WAS a call from someone in
Washington, but he never heard that it was LBJ.

> If it did not,
> what a coincidence it must be that Williams recalled what Bartlett
> reported, independently! And I've an email that Peters apparently
> admitted to some such thing himself. What? Another coincidence?

I also contacted Peters, who did not support the claim that LBJ called.  I
do not have my notes in front of me, but my memory is that he was not
aware of a call from Washington, either.

> >> On 5/26/92, the New York Times reported: "In the (JAMA) interviews,
> Dr.
> >> Charles Baxter, the emergency room chief, denied that such a call
> was
> >> received by any doctor. But the denial came from a surgeon who could
> >> not have known about the call because he was not present during
> >> Oswald's surgery, Dr. Crenshaw said.

> >> "Indeed, another doctor has confirmed such a call, although the
> details
> >> and who made it are not clear.

> >> "The doctor, Phillip E. Williams, now a brain  surgeon in Dallas,
> was
> >> an intern pumping blood into Oswald's right let. In an interview,
> Dr.
> >> Williams said he had long remembered reports of two White House
> >> telephone calls to the operating room.

> >> "I vividly remember someone said, and I can't say who it was, the
> White
> >> House is calling and President Johnson wants to know what the status
> of
> >> Oswald is, Dr. Williams said, adding, "I heard the statement in the
> >> oparating room, and it was not Dr. Crenshaw's book or anyone else
> who
> >> revived my thoughts about this because I have said this for years."

> >> Williams admitted he did not know for certain it was Johnson, or
> that
> >> Johnson wanted Oswald's confession. But it is clear that the "White
> >> House" called, he was pumping blood into Oswald, and there is no one
> >> else who has come forward to claim to have taken that call. If not
> >> Crenshaw, who took that call Dr. Williams remembered?

> >> Crenshaw, who JAMA falsely belittled for claiming LBJ called
> personally
> >> for him, said no such thing, of course. Rather, he said that he
> >> happened to be the one to pick up a ringing phone when a man who
> >> identified himself as LBJ, and who sounded like LBJ, called.

> >> Then there is the letter of Phyllis Bartlett, the "chief telephone
> >> operator" at Parkland. When news of amazing tale broke, and the
> Dallas
> >> Morning News' Lawrence Sutherland sneered at Crenshaw's LBJ claim,
> >> Bartlett wrote the DMN to chip in her memory of an amazingly similar
> >> event.

> >> She wrote: " ... There are still people who have not come forward
> yet,
> >> that could have helped Mr. Sutherland get his facts strait had he
> >> bothered to check.

> >> "There very definitely was a phone call from a man with a loud voice
> >> who identified himself as Lyndon Johnson, an he was connected to the
> >> operating room phone during Oswald's surgery."

> >> I've not seen the Gary Mack evidence McA points to, and I'd
> appreciate
> >> anyone's emailing it to me, but it is clear that these are two
> >> percipient witnesses. Bartlett's recollection jibes perfectly with
> >> another, very credible witness, Dr. Williams. These mutually
> >> corroborating stories hard to explain if not true.

> >> But if not Crenshaw, who *did* pick up the White House call both
> >> Bartlett and Williams recalled?

> >> Just a question: Does McA normally agree with Gary Mack's views of
> the
> >> evidence? I can honestly say I don't know.

> >> Gary

--
Gary Mack
Archivist
The Sixth Floor Museum

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