Re: Questions For the Zfilm Alteration Idiots
Rule Rattray
"chuck schuyler" <chu...@am-mtg.com> wrote in message
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Speaking of idiots, one of the most idiotic things about this case is the
assumption by both sides of the debate that if there was a conspiracy, it
had to have some brilliant mastermind planning it, who had a crack team of
absolutely dedicated "specialists" working for him, every man-jack of which
could be absolutely trusted to perform flawlessly in a world where nobody
but they had a script.
Such teams only exist in the minds of cheap novelists and screenwriters.
> 1.) What was altered on the Zapruder film?
Nothing, probably, if by "the Zapruder film" you mean the original in-camera
footage. A contact dub of the film was re-photographed frame by frame,
leaving out certain frames and sequences of frames, and a few frames were
switched.
> 2.) Why wasn't it simply destroyed if it showed proof of a conspiracy
> and *they* didn't want to have people find out about it?
Zapruder was interviewed by newsmen very soon after the assassination, and
said he'd gotten the whole thing on film. As soon as he'd said that, much of
the world knew of its existence. Time/Life paid Zapruder a bundle for
exclusive rights to that copy, and published frames from it in Life magazine
with at least two of them switched to hide the backward lurch of JFK. Near
as
I can tell, they wanted to use it to convince the world that Oswald did it,
and also, to sell a lot of copies of that issue.
> 3.) Why was a "fake" or an imposter Zapruder (David Healy theory)
Who is David Healy and how did he come up with this silly idea? (And was it
a "theory" or just a suggestion?)
> filming the motorcade, and how did the conspirators know the real Mr.
> Zapruder was going to play along? How did they even know that a guy
> named Zapruder worked near downtown and had a 8mm film camera?
Lots of people had 8mm cameras, and it would have been foolish to think that
they would not be using them in Dealy Plaza that day. A couple of people did
report having their cameras confiscated on the spot. Zapruder approached a
man who he took to be a federal agent, and that man escorted him to get the
film developed, possibly thwarting another man who would have tried to
confiscate it.
> 4.) Was Marilyn Sitzman (steadying Mr. Z while he filmed) an imposter,
> too?
I've no reason to think Marilyn OR Mr. Z was an "imposter" -- whatever that
means.
>
> 5.) Recently, new footage of the motorcade just moments before it made
> its final turns through downtown Dallas came to the attention of the
> public.
No kidding? What footage was that?
How did the Zfilm alterationists know that in the months or
> years following their Zfilm alteration, other footage wouldn't show up
> that contradicted their deception?
They didn't. But suppose, just for the sake of argument, such footage did
show up? What could the possessor of it do with it except present it to the
"proper authorities" -- such as the FBI? From all accounts, the one sure
thing about any organization, private or public, is that those at the top
can be depended upon to protect their organization's image no matter what,
and if you've staked your whole career and the reputation of your
organization on the "Oswald did it all by himself"story, you are not going
to
change your mind simply because other evidence surfaces.
(Damn! Shouldn't that be obvious by now? And brother, that goes for
publications that have taken strong position on it too.)
>
> 6.) Time/Life had the film almost immediately after it was developed.
> How did the alterationists know whether or not various editors there
> had bootlegged (some apparently did) their own copies?
By keeping close track of the copies? (Some apparently did? Names please.
I'd love to see one of the copies made directly from the original in-camera
footage.)
> 7.) Technology was different 44 years ago. How many people would've
> needed to work on this project?
Only one. I could have produced a dub as bad as theirs in a couple of days,
even if I had to fabricate some of the equipment.
How many people would've needed to
> 'vette' the work before agreeing to sign off on it?
One. The guy in charge of having the job done.
Obviously, the
> technicians and film artists all would've known exactly what they were
> doing. How did *they* manage to get these people keep their mouths
> shut over the years?
There is no reason whatsoever to believe that a lot of people had to be
involved in producing an altered dub.
> 8.) Why didn't these cinematic alteration geniuses edit out the "back
> and to the left" stuff that "proves" a shot from the grassy knoll?
Because the only way he could change it using the method he apparently did,
would be to skip the whole sequence, which would have resulted in a
"jump cut" so jarring it would be apparent to anyone viewing it that frames
were missing.
Incidentally, the back movement "proves" nothing at all about the direction
of the shots. (Bullets don't shove, they pierce.)
Apparently, the man who was supervising the Time/Life picture layout was
just as brainwashed by Hollywood ballistics as most people, or he would not
have bothered to switch those frames. (They later claimed that switch was an
"accident".)
> 9.) Do you people realize that you are idiots?
Sorry, but I do not respond to loaded questions. (In fact, I pity those who
must resort to them.)
The bottom line is this: Material evidence throughout this case is flawed.
Not a bit of it has stood up to close scrutiny.
Rule
David Von Pein
Only if the person doing the scrutinizing is a conspiracy-loving
kook.
But to reasonable people who can properly evaluate evidence, all of
the evidence gels beautifully with the LN/LHO/SBT/TSBD/3 SHOTS
conclusions.
But, quite naturally, CT-Kooks being the kooks they are, must disagree
with everything re. the official evidence/conclusions and follow the
chaff wherever the kooks think it leads them (which, naturally, is
always toward the curtain marked "conspiracy").
eca...@tx.rr.com
and DVP too!
Good questions & points!
MR ;^D
On Sep 22, 2:21 am, chuck schuyler <chu...@am-mtg.com> wrote:
> 1.) What was altered on the Zapruder film?
>
> 2.) Why wasn't it simply destroyed if it showed proof of a conspiracy
> and *they* didn't want to have people find out about it?
>
> 3.) Why was a "fake" or an imposter Zapruder (David Healy theory)
> filming the motorcade, and how did the conspirators know the real Mr.
> Zapruder was going to play along? How did they even know that a guy
> named Zapruder worked near downtown and had a 8mm film camera?
>
> 4.) Was Marilyn Sitzman (steadying Mr. Z while he filmed) an imposter,
> too?
>
> 5.) Recently, new footage of the motorcade just moments before it made
> its final turns through downtown Dallas came to the attention of the
> public. How did the Zfilm alterationists know that in the months or
> years following their Zfilm alteration, other footage wouldn't show up
> that contradicted their deception?
>
> 6.) Time/Life had the film almost immediately after it was developed.
> How did the alterationists know whether or not various editors there
> had bootlegged (some apparently did) their own copies?
>
> 7.) Technology was different 44 years ago. How many people would've
> needed to work on this project? How many people would've needed to
> 'vette' the work before agreeing to sign off on it? Obviously, the
> technicians and film artists all would've known exactly what they were
> doing. How did *they* manage to get these people keep their mouths
> shut over the years?
>
> 8.) Why didn't these cinematic alteration geniuses edit out the "back
> and to the left" stuff that "proves" a shot from the grassy knoll?
>
> 9.) Do you people realize that you are idiots?
>
> 10.) See question nine again.
eca...@tx.rr.com
Rule:
David Healey or "ROFLMAO!!" as we call him has
the mind of a bird.. He is largely ignored to
say the least.
Ed
cdddraftsman
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4ptt9iq
House Wife of the Year
Heely of Dealey :
Tells all he knows about the
Zapruder Film .
" Zeeeee Zapruder Film Was Faked ,
Ben Holmes Told Me So " !
:-( tl
eca...@tx.rr.com
And here's a recent interview I did with
Sak.O.Nutz shortly after he received his
Golden Sombrero Award:
ED SAID:
"Sak.O.Nutz, tell us where the *real* Tippit
killer went and how he escaped."
SAK.O.NUTZ SAID:
"Onw(sic) went down Patton /Street.
The other went down the alley."
OFF
ED SAID:
"Two Tippit killers eh Curator Tom Sak?"
----- End of interview -----
(Use "Fixed" option on type to view
graphic of Sak.O.Nutz with headgear)
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` | \ / | "THE Z FILM WAS FAKED!!"
` | @ @ | "All 3 of those shooters of
` ( (_) ) Kennedy, Walker and Tippit
` \ v v / all got away!! And the fkg
` \_____/ Z film was altered!"
"Oswald didn't kill Kennedy or Tippit. BOTH
of the real Tippit killers got away.. Same
with the Kennedy killers; they all got away!
The guy who shot at Gen. Walker wasn't Oswald.
The REAL Walker shooter also got away! ALL OF
THOSE SORRY BASTARDS GOT AWAY!! ALL FOUR OF
THEM!" - tomnln aka Sak.O.Nutz
MR ;^D
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Rule Rattray
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> Do you believe the Zapruder film was altered?
I doubt if the original in-camera footage was. Whether it still exists, in
or out of the archives, I don't know. What I do know, and what should be
obvious to anyone who takes a close look at the version in presented in
"Image of an Assassination", is that what they presented as original
in-camera footage, was not.
They copied a doctored dub.
I also doubt that anyone outside of certain very limited areas of
government, excepting the employees at Kodak who viewed it the day it was
developed, along with perhaps a couple of rich folks with enough pull to get
an un-doctored copy, have ever seen an unaltered version of the Z-Film.
Rule
Rule Rattray
"David Von Pein" <davev...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Blah blah blah.
Rule Rattray
<eca...@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
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A certain percentage of folks on both sides of the issue are so emotionally
wrapped up in selling their own version of events, they are incapable of
hearing anything else.
Rule
tomnln
WHY do you NUTSACK-SUCKERS Keep Runnin from your own evidence/testimony?
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/mexcity.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
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tomnln
More Black Bar on "Z" Film in Video Form.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5isekB2oOG8&mode=related&search=
MORE ALTERATION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-rcdBNFnGs&mode=related&search
MORE ALTERATION