Great Quote
Gil Jesus
assassination?"
A: "The one put forward by the Warren Commission in 1964."
Q: "I'm trying to ask you a serious question!"
A: "Yes, and I'm trying to give you a serious answer!"
(Exchange between Fort Worth Star-Telegram senior reporter Barry
Schlacter and Kennedy researcher Ian Griggs -- Dealey Plaza, November
22, 1994.)
Harry
Ian Griggs was right.
Walt
There have been more bizarre theories than the Warren Commission's
theory. My personal favorite is " Bill Greer, the diver did it"
But the Warren Commission's theory ( actually J.E. Hoover's lie)
certainly ranks among the most bizarre. Even after all of the years
I've studied the case, I'm still amazed that many apparently sane and
intelligent men will espouse the SBT as if it is logical and rational.
The only possible explanation for this phenomonem is plain old
cowardice. They are too gutless to face facts.
I'd have liked to have seen the look on Barry Schlacter's face when
Ian slapped him with the truth......I'll bet Schlacter reeled in
astonishment ...... I'll bet it would have been a hoot.
Sam McClung
news:49ec6027-4a3f-458d...@y79g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
Seems there's a Schlachter (now Goldman) who went to Marquette Law
School.
Also a Schlachter in the CIA.
He wait a minute...Abe...Goldbaum...hmmm...
aaronhi...@yahoo.com
> theory. My personal favorite is " Bill Greer, the diver did it"
This is silly of course, but it does fit in with an inside job that
was covered up.
Aaron Hirshberg
David Von Pein
>>> "I've studied the case [and mangled nearly 100% of the facts surrounding it], I'm still amazed that many apparently sane and intelligent men will espouse the SBT as if it is logical and rational." <<<
The S.B.T. is THE only "logical" and "rational" explanation for the
shooting (given the evidence that exists surrounding the double-man
wounding of JFK & JBC).
If the SBT is NOT true, then we'd be forced to believe that the REAL
way the shooting occurred contained many "SBT-like" coincidences....so
many of these, in fact, it would be totally absurd to trash the SBT in
favor of any alternative theory.
Why Walt and other CTers don't realize this basic fact is the real
mystery--and has been for many, many years. But apparently they don't
see it (or, more likely, they just don't want to see it).
Anti-SBTers want to believe that not just one bullet--but TWO--stopped
dead in their tracks inside JFK's body, without striking any "bony"
structures (per the autopsists AND per noted conspiracist and
pathologist Cyril Wecht too)!
TWO bullets did this....and then those bullets just vanished off the
globe, without a trace of these whole bullets left to be seen
anywhere.
And that's just the beginning of the "SBT-like" stuff that CTers are
forced to think occurred in this case. There's also the elongated
wound on Connally's back....the perfect (or damn near-perfect)
trajectory for the SBT to work from Oswald's sniper's perch in the
TSBD, per Dale Myers' computer work on the case and per Robert
Frazier, the FBI, and the WC (even though the CT-Kooks of the world
insist it was really THREE different bullets causing all of this
damage to TWO victims on November 22).
And then there's the Zapruder Film, showing the two victims reacting
virtually simultaneously just after Z-Frame 223.
But all of this "SBT"-like stuff is just crap...and worthless (per the
CTers of the Earth).
And then there's the 2004 Discovery Channel test in Australia, which
mimicked a very nice-looking "SBT" with a single shot through two
dummy torsos from 60 feet up.
But that test is pure crap too, per the CTers....even though the
bullet DID travel clean through two "victims", and did come out in ONE
PIECE (just like CE399), with its nose still rounded, just like 399.
Denying the viability or (at the very LEAST) the "possibility" of the
Single-Bullet Theory at this stage in the game, in 2008, after Myers'
work and after the 2004 "Beyond The Magic Bullet" test is like denying
the possibility that Walter Cakebread is a retarded evidence-mangling
kook.
(And who in their right mind would ever be silly enough to argue with
that last observation about Walt? I ask you.)
Sam McClung
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on the schlachter in the cia:
Walt
> >>> "I've studied the case [and mangled nearly 100% of the facts surrounding it], I'm still amazed that many apparently sane and intelligent men will espouse the SBT as if it is logical and rational." <<<
>
> The S.B.T. is THE only "logical" and "rational" explanation for the
> shooting (given the evidence that exists surrounding the double-man
> wounding of JFK & JBC).
>
> If the SBT is NOT true, then we'd be forced to believe that the REAL
> way the shooting occurred contained many "SBT-like" coincidences....so
> many of these, in fact, it would be totally absurd to trash the SBT in
> favor of any alternative theory.
>
> Why Walt and other CTers don't realize this basic fact is the real
> mystery--and has been for many, many years. But apparently they don't
> see it (or, more likely, they just don't want to see it).
>
Anti-SBTers want to believe that not just one bullet--but TWO--
stopped
dead in their tracks inside JFK's body, without striking any "bony"
structures (per the autopsists AND per noted conspiracist and
pathologist Cyril Wecht too)!
I subscribe to no such nonsense...... What substance do you use when
you dream up this nonsense? I've hunted big game all my life and it's
utterly ridulous to believe that any center fire rifle cartridge of .
264' or greater wouldn't have the energy to blow right through a man
at 50 yards.......
> TWO bullets did this....and then those bullets just vanished off the
> globe, without a trace of these whole bullets left to be seen
> anywhere.
>
> And that's just the beginning of the "SBT-like" stuff that CTers are
> forced to think occurred in this case. There's also the elongated
> wound on Connally's back....the perfect (or damn near-perfect)
> trajectory for the SBT to work from Oswald's sniper's perch in the
> TSBD, per Dale Myers' computer work on the case and per Robert
> Frazier, the FBI, and the WC (even though the CT-Kooks of the world
> insist it was really THREE different bullets causing all of this
> damage to TWO victims on November 22).
What did J.E. Hoover say about the number of shots the day after the
murder??
If any man had access to ALL of the information available on Saturday
11 /23 /63 it was ol J Edna Hoover.
He had the information....and he said that you're full of shit.
David Von Pein
>>> "I subscribe to no such nonsense..." <<<
LOL.
Oh, that's right! Walt thinks JFK was hit with a transiting bullet
from the FRONT at approx. Z161, with JFK continuing to wave and smile
for nearly thirty more Z-Frames after being hit with a shot fired by
the magical, disappearing gunman from the front, who was firing a
magical, disappearing bullet from his magical, disappearing gun that
nobody heard being fired from (where was it?) the middle lane of Elm
Street or thereabouts? Because given your theory here, there's pretty
much nowhere else this gunman could have been located.
I guess Greer DID do it, folks!
BTW, Walt's retarded. (In case somebody out there was unaware of that
obvious fact.)
Ben Holmes
Walt says...
>
>On 13 Oct, 08:34, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>> "I've studied the case [and mangled nearly 100% of the facts surrounding
>>it], I'm still amazed that many apparently sane and intelligent men will espouse
>>the SBT as if it is logical and rational." <<<
>>
>> The S.B.T. is THE only "logical" and "rational" explanation for the
>> shooting (given the evidence that exists surrounding the double-man
>> wounding of JFK & JBC).
The average person hearing this is probably laughing!
What's so strange about multiple guns?
Indeed, the extant Z-film demonstrates quite well that two men were hit several
seconds APART from each other, and almost certainly the timing was not within
the possible for the MC, as the bolt cycling time would have prevented this.
>> If the SBT is NOT true, then we'd be forced to believe that the REAL
>> way the shooting occurred contained many "SBT-like" coincidences....so
>> many of these, in fact, it would be totally absurd to trash the SBT in
>> favor of any alternative theory.
How silly!
>> Why Walt and other CTers don't realize this basic fact is the real
>> mystery--and has been for many, many years. But apparently they don't
>> see it (or, more likely, they just don't want to see it).
>>
> Anti-SBTers want to believe that not just one bullet--but TWO--
>stopped
> dead in their tracks inside JFK's body, without striking any "bony"
> structures (per the autopsists AND per noted conspiracist and
> pathologist Cyril Wecht too)!
>
>I subscribe to no such nonsense...... What substance do you use when
>you dream up this nonsense? I've hunted big game all my life and it's
>utterly ridulous to believe that any center fire rifle cartridge of .
>264' or greater wouldn't have the energy to blow right through a man
>at 50 yards.......
>
>> TWO bullets did this....and then those bullets just vanished off the
>> globe, without a trace of these whole bullets left to be seen
>> anywhere.
Actually, there *are* traces of the additional bullets involved. You can even
see a photo of one of 'em being picked up out of the grass.
>> And that's just the beginning of the "SBT-like" stuff that CTers are
>> forced to think occurred in this case. There's also the elongated
>> wound on Connally's back....the perfect (or damn near-perfect)
>> trajectory for the SBT to work from Oswald's sniper's perch in the
>> TSBD, per Dale Myers' computer work on the case and per Robert
>> Frazier, the FBI, and the WC (even though the CT-Kooks of the world
>> insist it was really THREE different bullets causing all of this
>> damage to TWO victims on November 22).
The doctors testified to such as well.
>What did J.E. Hoover say about the number of shots the day after the
>murder??
>If any man had access to ALL of the information available on Saturday
>11 /23 /63 it was ol J Edna Hoover.
>He had the information....and he said that you're full of shit.
>
>
>
>>
>> And then there's the Zapruder Film, showing the two victims reacting
>> virtually simultaneously just after Z-Frame 223.
"virtually simultaneously" is not what would have happened. Your "virtually
simultaneously" is several seconds, and that simply cannot happen.
*NO-ONE* is going to believe that Connally was struck several seconds before,
and didn't immediately show the effects.
>> But all of this "SBT"-like stuff is just crap...and worthless (per the
>> CTers of the Earth).
>>
>> And then there's the 2004 Discovery Channel test in Australia, which
>> mimicked a very nice-looking "SBT" with a single shot through two
>> dummy torsos from 60 feet up.
Sadly, they didn't.
>> But that test is pure crap too, per the CTers....even though the
>> bullet DID travel clean through two "victims", and did come out in ONE
>> PIECE (just like CE399), with its nose still rounded, just like 399.
Simply untrue.
>> Denying the viability or (at the very LEAST) the "possibility" of the
>> Single-Bullet Theory at this stage in the game, in 2008, after Myers'
>> work and after the 2004 "Beyond The Magic Bullet" test is like denying
>> the possibility that Walter Cakebread is a retarded evidence-mangling
>> kook.
>>
>> (And who in their right mind would ever be silly enough to argue with
>> that last observation about Walt? I ask you.)
Any intelligent person.
Walt
Dear Lying Obtuse Bastard..... I don't believe ANY of the stupid shit
that you espoused above.
There ARE CT's that do believe such crap....And I've tried to warn
them that assholes like you would use the bizarre nonsense to make all
CT's look like fools. Most of them simple fold their tents and take
a hike.... But some Like Rob and CJ are too obsessed with the
assassion to leave and they're too damned dumb to shut up and learn.
David Von Pein
>>> "Most of them simple fold their tents and take a hike.... But some Like Rob and CJ are too obsessed with the assassion to leave and they're too damned dumb to shut up and learn." <<<
Yeah...they could learn a whale of a lot from you Walt -- things like:
How to twist all testimony to suit your CT "west-end" needs.
How to invent gunmen on Elm Street who fired shots into JFK's throat
at Z161.
How to make a double-murderer seem innocent by ignoring all the
evidence of his guilt.
How to pretend that the C2766 rifle wasn't really found on the 6th
Floor.
And, in general, how to be a mega-retard without really trying too
hard.
What a great legacy Walt has to hand down to his students.
David Von Pein
Is that all you've got, Benjamin?
Geez, that's mighty weak stuff there.
How about showing us that bullet that Walthers supposedly picked up.
And how about showing us ANY report by Walthers saying he PICKED UP A
BULLET in Dealey on 11/22.
Ben The Kook can't do this...because no such report exists. And the
reason for that is simple --- no such slug was found in DP just LYING
ON TOP OF THE GRASS on Nov. 22.
The very idea that a slug would be in such a position on the top of
the grass is just loony in the first place.
But Benny will believe it, regardless of whether it's true (or
logical) or not.
David Von Pein
>>> "There ARE CT's that do believe such crap [re: 2 bullets going into JFK but never exiting, w/both missiles vanishing]..." <<<
In fact, nearly ALL conspiracy theorists believe that 2 bullets went
into JFK's back and neck and never exited the other side of his body.
They HAVE to believe that...because they want to believe that the
throat wound was a wound of ENTRANCE, not exit.
A few of the major CTers who believe such idiocy include such top
names as Oliver Stone, the late Jim Garrison, Robert Groden, and Jim
Fetzer (among hundreds of others).
I guess Walt thinks that since he believes an ALTERNATE kook-filled
theory regarding the bullet that transited JFK's body, he's off the
hook. But Walt's theory is every bit as unsupportable and utterly
stupid as anything espoused by Garrison, et al.
Again, Walt fails to recognize this fact.
But, then again, Walt's a retarded idiot....so some slack should be
granted, I suppose.
Bud
Yah, very outlandish to think that the political fanatic took his
rifle to his work and shot some political figure with it from there.
Where are the ninjas, spooks, operatives,unicorns needed to make this
"inlandish" to the kook crowd?
aeffects
sigh... looks like daBugliosi issued stipend checks recently and Davie
boyo Von Pein was left holding the bag, AGAIN! Perk up son, I'll see
if I can get you on the HBO set when film is rolling. Maybe introduce
you around for an autograph or two, hell maybe three.... suck-it-up
toots-e-roll
Gil Jesus
> >>> "I've studied the case [and mangled nearly 100% of the facts surrounding it], I'm still amazed that many apparently sane and intelligent men will espouse the SBT as if it is logical and rational." <<<
>
> The S.B.T. is THE only "logical" and "rational" explanation for the
> shooting (given the evidence that exists surrounding the double-man
> wounding of JFK & JBC).
David, was the bullet path through the body ever traced ?
Harry
HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!
ROTFLMAO!!!
Watch out, Pin-Head, the Moon Maidens will get you!
LOL!!
curtjester1
> On 13 Oct, 09:04, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > >>> "I subscribe to no such nonsense..." <<<
>
> > LOL.
>
> > Oh, that's right! Walt thinks JFK was hit with a transiting bullet
> > from the FRONT at approx. Z161, with JFK continuing to wave and smile
> > for nearly thirty more Z-Frames after being hit with a shot fired by
> > the magical, disappearing gunman from the front, who was firing a
> > magical, disappearing bullet from his magical, disappearing gun that
> > nobody heard being fired from (where was it?) the middle lane of Elm
> > Street or thereabouts? Because given your theory here, there's pretty
> > much nowhere else this gunman could have been located.
>
> > I guess Greer DID do it, folks!
>
> > BTW, Walt's retarded. (In case somebody out there was unaware of that
> > obvious fact.)
>
> Dear Lying Obtuse Bastard..... I don't believe ANY of the stupid shit
> that you espoused above.
>
> There ARE CT's that do believe such crap....And I've tried to warn
> them that assholes like you would use the bizarre nonsense to make all
.....And his quote that he has studied the assassination for 40 years
recently to make it appear that 'the rest' are amateurs...WHEN nobody
in the CT community here are supporting him and distancing themselve's
away...
> CT's look like fools. Most of them simple fold their tents and take
> a hike.... But some Like Rob and CJ are too obsessed with the
> assassion to leave and they're too damned dumb to shut up and learn.- Hide quoted text -
>
Actually we think the opposite when he is shown evidences after
evidences that fly against his scenarios that he deems as evidence.
Of course his main support are LN'ers!! and this is just typical of
what we really have to go through...
Quite a scorecard Walt;
So far you have 3 Cheer leaders from the LN Side.
Chuck
DVP
Mucher
When are you gonna offer Proof of your Lying Stupid Bastard Claims?
>>>
Hey Walt;
You never proved that 133-a had "Dual Sling Mounts".
When are you gonna Prove that LHO worked for RFK???
You never proved that Walker called Germany.
You never proved Oswald ordered a 40 inch rifle.
You never proved Mike Paine gave the DOD a copy of 133-a on 11/22/63.
You never proved the wallet was found "INSIDE" the owner's car.
You never proved the wallet was found in the owner's car.
You never proved Michael Paine had same model rifle.
You're a Warren Commission Shill! ! !
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"too obsessed with the assassion to leave and learn", is right up
there as well...:)
CJ
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Walt
> On Oct 13, 7:21 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 13 Oct, 09:04, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>> "I subscribe to no such nonsense..." <<<
>
> > > LOL.
>
> > > Oh, that's right! Walt thinks JFK was hit with a transiting bullet
> > > from the FRONT at approx. Z161, with JFK continuing to wave and smile
> > > for nearly thirty more Z-Frames after being hit with a shot fired by
> > > the magical, disappearing gunman from the front, who was firing a
> > > magical, disappearing bullet from his magical, disappearing gun that
> > > nobody heard being fired from (where was it?) the middle lane of Elm
> > > Street or thereabouts? Because given your theory here, there's pretty
> > > much nowhere else this gunman could have been located.
>
> > > I guess Greer DID do it, folks!
>
> > > BTW, Walt's retarded. (In case somebody out there was unaware of that
> > > obvious fact.)
>
> > Dear Lying Obtuse Bastard..... I don't believe ANY of the stupid shit
> > that you espoused above.
>
> > There ARE CT's that do believe such crap....And I've tried to warn
> > them that assholes like you would use the bizarre nonsense to make all
>
.....And his quote that he has studied the assassination for 40 years
recently to make it appear that 'the rest' are amateurs.
THAT was NOT my intent.... I was trying to make Stupid Bastard aware
that I was studying this case when he was still shittin his pants
( last week) I HAVE learned things that others have overlooked. I'd
like to pass that information along to help other SERIOUS researchers
gain a better perspective of the case. But You and Rob are
hopeless.....you CAN'T learn anything new because your basically
dishonest and have closed minds.
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curtjester1
> >>> "There ARE CT's that do believe such crap [re: 2 bullets going into JFK but never exiting, w/both missiles vanishing]..." <<<
>
> In fact, nearly ALL conspiracy theorists believe that 2 bullets went
> into JFK's back and neck and never exited the other side of his body.
> They HAVE to believe that...because they want to believe that the
> throat wound was a wound of ENTRANCE, not exit.
>
fell out the backside of JFK at the autopsy when being lifted onto the
gurney from the casket (J. Custer) and the projectile obtained during
the autopsy from agents Sibert and O'Neill.
CJ
Walt
Riiiiiight!.... Let's examine the Lifschultz Bill of lading....and see
who has misintepreted the evidence.
Of course his main support are LN'ers!! and this is just typical of
what we really have to go through...
> Quite a scorecard Walt;
>
> So far you have 3 Cheer leaders from the LN Side.
> Chuck
> DVP
> Mucher
>
> When are you gonna offer Proof of your Lying Stupid Bastard Claims?
>
>
>
> Hey Walt;
>
> You never proved that 133-a had "Dual Sling Mounts".
> When are you gonna Prove that LHO worked for RFK???
> You never proved that Walker called Germany.
> You never proved Oswald ordered a 40 inch rifle.
> You never proved Mike Paine gave the DOD a copy of 133-a on 11/22/63.
> You never proved the wallet was found "INSIDE" the owner's car.
> You never proved the wallet was found in the owner's car.
> You never proved Michael Paine had same model rifle.
>
> You're a Warren Commission Shill! ! !
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>
> "too obsessed with the assassion to leave and learn", is right up
> there as well...:)
>
> CJ
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Gil Jesus
> Anti-SBTers want to believe that not just one bullet--but TWO--stopped
> dead in their tracks inside JFK's body, without striking any "bony"
> structures (per the autopsists AND per noted conspiracist and
> pathologist Cyril Wecht too)!
> TWO bullets did this....and then those bullets just vanished off the
> globe, without a trace of these whole bullets left to be seen
> anywhere.
1. David, was the bullet path through the body ever traced ? Yes or
No.
2. Did the FBI receive a bullet from the Secret Service at the
autopsy ? Yes or No.
3, Where in the evidence is that bullet, David ? Tell us.
David Von Pein
Answering Gil.......
1. No.
2. Definitely not. The FBI only received the small fragments removed
from JFK's head at the autopsy. Nothing more. They certainly didn't
receive any WHOLE BULLET from the SS or the autopsists...because there
were no whole bullets (or anything even CLOSE to a whole bullet) left
in JFK's body. Why do you think Humes, et al, were so stumped for a
period of time as to what happened to the bullet(s) that hit JFK?
Humes ordered a full-body X-ray for JUST that very reason, idiot.
3.) It doesn't exist (of course). See #2. No whole bullet was found at
autopsy. Only kooks like Gil believe there were.
Walt
You're either ignorant, or a liar...... probably both
David Von Pein
Everybody but the mega-kooks (like the ones in here) know that there
wasn't any whole bullet(s) found at JFK's autopsy. As I said, THAT'S
the reason Humes ordered the full-body X-ray, dimwit.
Gil Jesus
Warren Commission document No. 371 reveals "one receipt from the FBI
for a missile removed during the examination of the body." An
examination of the receipt shows that a bullet was removed from the
body of President Kennedy in the evening of November 22, 1963. This
bullet was handed over to and signed for by FBI agents Francis X.
O'Neill and James W. Sibert.
The January 4, 1964, issue of the Journal of the American Medical
Association (vol. 187 No. 1) stated on page 15 that the bullet was
recovered during the autopsy.
The Washington Post of December 18, 1963, after checking the report
with the FBI before publication, stated that a bullet was recovered
from deep within the President's shoulder.
This was again confirmed in the Post on May 29, 1966.
The fact of the recovery of this bullet fully destroys the myth of the
"single bullet," and that evidence of an additional gunshot during the
assassination was suppressed.
The issue has been raised that the bullet or missile may have been a
fragment of a bullet or missile. This seems highly unlikely since
Sibert and O'Neill were professional enough to know the difference
between an entire bullet and a small fragment. In addition to this,
the FBI itself did confirm the Washington Post that it was "a bullet"
and not just a fragment.
It should be noted that this entire area of discussion occurred many
months before the single bullet theory was invented to try to prove
the "lone assassin theory."
( 6 HSCA 302 )
Gil Jesus
> On Oct 14, 7:27 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Answering Gil.......
>
> > 1. No.
>
> > 2. Definitely not. The FBI only received the small fragments removed
> > from JFK's head at the autopsy. Nothing more. They certainly didn't
> > receive any WHOLE BULLET from the SS or the autopsists...because there
> > were no whole bullets (or anything even CLOSE to a whole bullet) left
> > in JFK's body. Why do you think Humes, et al, were so stumped for a
> > period of time as to what happened to the bullet(s) that hit JFK?
> > Humes ordered a full-body X-ray for JUST that very reason, idiot.
>
> > 3.) It doesn't exist (of course). See #2. No whole bullet was found at
> > autopsy. Only kooks like Gil believe there were.
>
> Warren Commission document No. 371 reveals "one receipt from the FBI
> for a missile removed during the examination of the body." An
> examination of the receipt shows that a bullet was removed from the
> body of President Kennedy in the evening of November 22, 1963. This
> bullet was handed over to and signed for by FBI agents Francis X.
> O'Neill and James W. Sibert.
READERS CAN SEE WARREN COMMISSION DOCUMENT 371 FOR THEMSELVES HERE:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10772&relPageId=2
Gil Jesus
> On Oct 14, 9:51 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 14, 7:27 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Answering Gil.......
>
> > > 1. No.
>
> > > 2. Definitely not. The FBI only received the small fragments removed
> > > from JFK's head at the autopsy. Nothing more. They certainly didn't
> > > receive any WHOLE BULLET from the SS or the autopsists...because there
> > > were no whole bullets (or anything even CLOSE to a whole bullet) left
> > > in JFK's body. Why do you think Humes, et al, were so stumped for a
> > > period of time as to what happened to the bullet(s) that hit JFK?
> > > Humes ordered a full-body X-ray for JUST that very reason, idiot.
>
> > > 3.) It doesn't exist (of course). See #2. No whole bullet was found at
> > > autopsy. Only kooks like Gil believe there were.
>
> > Warren Commission document No. 371 reveals "one receipt from the FBI
> > for a missile removed during the examination of the body." An
> > examination of the receipt shows that a bullet was removed from the
> > body of President Kennedy in the evening of November 22, 1963. This
> > bullet was handed over to and signed for by FBI agents Francis X.
> > O'Neill and James W. Sibert.
>
> READERS CAN SEE WARREN COMMISSION DOCUMENT 371 FOR THEMSELVES HERE:
>
>
>
>
> > The January 4, 1964, issue of the Journal of the American Medical
> > Association (vol. 187 No. 1) stated on page 15 that the bullet was
> > recovered during the autopsy.
>
> > The Washington Post of December 18, 1963, after checking the report
> > with the FBI before publication, stated that a bullet was recovered
> > from deep within the President's shoulder.
> > This was again confirmed in the Post on May 29, 1966.
>
> > The fact of the recovery of this bullet fully destroys the myth of the
> > "single bullet," and that evidence of an additional gunshot during the
> > assassination was suppressed.
>
> > The issue has been raised that the bullet or missile may have been a
> > fragment of a bullet or missile. This seems highly unlikely since
> > Sibert and O'Neill were professional enough to know the difference
> > between an entire bullet and a small fragment. In addition to this,
> > the FBI itself did confirm the Washington Post that it was "a bullet"
> > and not just a fragment.
>
> > It should be noted that this entire area of discussion occurred many
> > months before the single bullet theory was invented to try to prove
> > the "lone assassin theory."
>
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
HERE'S THE RECEIPT ITSELF FOLKS, COURTESY OF THE ARRB :
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/md69/html/md69_0001a.htm
curtjester1
evidence from top to bottom. Yet, you side with the LN'ers and WC, and
refuse to address when we as CT's point out that your weird take on it
is wrong. For ones who haven't followed, the so-called 40 inch rifle
weighed MORE than the 100 rifle order to Klein's according to the FBI,
7 lbs and 11 ounces, so he goes into a dance that it somehow must have
been 7 and a half pounds and introduced a non-essential tare weight to
obfuscate the issue even more. (It wouldn't fly with that either as
one can plainly see, and still refuses how to introduce or defend tare
weight into his equation). Then besides all the anomalies of the
order not being able to arrive for advertising into the Feb 1963
magazine issue, he refused to see the people's statements that
precluded the order and after the order that equals chain of command)
by the servicing gunsmith and the employees of Klein's who were there
when the order arrived (they said 36" MC carbines). So the general
consensus of the CT's see that, and see things like the fake money
order and fake BY photos and take a stand against this one man stand
of WC Shillism...so when we get statments like his
'opposition' (CT'ers in general)..."are too obsessed about the
assassination (sic) to leave and they're too damned dumb to shut up
and learn."........well, we just have to point out quotes like that
(and all the WC Shillism involved with it.)
CJ
muc...@gmail.com
> On Oct 14, 9:51 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 14, 7:27 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Answering Gil.......
>
> > > 1. No.
>
> > > 2. Definitely not. The FBI only received the small fragments removed
> > > from JFK's head at the autopsy. Nothing more. They certainly didn't
> > > receive any WHOLE BULLET from the SS or the autopsists...because there
> > > were no whole bullets (or anything even CLOSE to a whole bullet) left
> > > in JFK's body. Why do you think Humes, et al, were so stumped for a
> > > period of time as to what happened to the bullet(s) that hit JFK?
> > > Humes ordered a full-body X-ray for JUST that very reason, idiot.
>
> > > 3.) It doesn't exist (of course). See #2. No whole bullet was found at
> > > autopsy. Only kooks like Gil believe there were.
>
> > Warren Commission document No. 371 reveals "one receipt from the FBI
> > for a missile removed during the examination of the body." An
> > examination of the receipt shows that a bullet was removed from the
> > body of President Kennedy in the evening of November 22, 1963. This
> > bullet was handed over to and signed for by FBI agents Francis X.
> > O'Neill and James W. Sibert.
Here is the receipt:
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/pdf/md69.pdf
The word "missile" seems to refer to the two bullet frags (CE 843)
recovered during autopsy:
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/images/5/50/Photo_naraevid_CE843-1.jpg
From the HSCA's Medical Panel Report:
(65) Sibert and O'Neill observed that Dr. Humes removed two
fragments from the right side of the skull; one 7 by 2
millimeters in size, the other 1 by 3 millimeters.(67) Special
Agents Sibert and O'Neill signed a receipt for custody of these
fragments and immediately following the autopsy transported them
to Special Agent Kurt Frazier at the FBI Laboratory. (68)
(66) The receipt for the fragments has been a continuing
source of controversy. It states that Bureau agents received a
"missile," (69) as opposed to two fragments. Chester H. Boyers,
the corpsman who typed the receipt,(70) submitted an affidavit to
the committee which stated that the receipt was for two fragments
that Dr. Humes removed from the skull, despite the receipt's
caption of "a missile." (71) Boyers emphasized that he gave
Sibert and O'Neill only missile fragments.
In affidavits and committee interviews, Sibert and O'Neill
also stated that Dr. Humes had retrieved two fragments and that
they received these fragments and not a missile. (73)
(67) The evidence indicates that the receipt was in error
and that Boyers transferred only fragments to Sibert and O'Neill.
[...] REFERENCES [...]
(67) Sibert and O'Neill, p. 3.
(68) Ibid., p. 5.
(69) See a copy of the receipt which is attached to the
affidavit of Chester H. Boyers, Dec. 4, 1978, House Select
Committee on Assassinations (JFK Document No. 014834).
(70) Ibid., Boyers affidavit, p. 3. See also staff
interview of Chester H. Boyers, April 25, 1978, House Select
Committee on Assassinations (JFK Documents Nos. 013614 and
014462).
(71) Ibid.
(72) Ibid.
(73) See reference 42, O'Neill affidavit, p. 5, and
reference 62, Sibert interview, p. 5. See also reference 36, p.
5; and reference 38, Sibert interview, p. 4.
[7 HSCA 11-2,19-20]
-Mark
> READERS CAN SEE WARREN COMMISSION DOCUMENT 371 FOR THEMSELVES HERE:
>
> http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=107...
Walt
Ya know Gil, this is all starting to fit together....... I've always
questioned the idea that a 6.5mm Carcano bullet could
have been so weak and underpowered that it wouldn't have blown right
through JFK at that close range....I thought the idea was
ridiculous.......
But now I believe that at least one of the bullets was in fact
DELIBERTLY loaded with a short powder charge to create a low velocity
bullet. As I've said in previous posts ......I believe the rifle that
was seen by both Rowland and Brennan was "Warren Caster's" custom
Mauser. It reportedly was converted to 30.06 Springfield caliber,
but we have no way of knowing what the actual caliber was because
"Warren Caster's" the rifle was never examined.
For the sake of this discussion let's assume it was a 30.06 Mauser.
It would have been very easy to fire a 6.5mm (.264") bullet through
the barrel of he TSBD ("Oswald's?) rifle, into a barrel of water, and
recover that pristine bullet with the rifling marks of the TSBD rifle
on it. That 6.5mm bullet could then have been placed in a sabot
( teflon sleeve) and then seated in a 30.06 case with a low powder
charge. The bullet wouldn't have been intended to be lethal...it was
merely designed to deliver an incriminating bullet into JFK's body.
The gunman would have had to practice firing that type of underpowered
bullet but It wouldn't taken many rounds before he would become
proficient with that type ammo and could fire it accurately for short
range.
Food for thought.....And absolutely a possiblity.
Gil Jesus
> The word "missile" seems to refer to the two bullet frags (CE 843)
> recovered during autopsy:
"Missile" refers to one, "Missiles" refer to two or more.
muc...@gmail.com
Your question (#2) was:
"Did the FBI receive a bullet from the Secret Service at the autopsy?"
Humes and Boswell were not SS agents, so perhaps you're implying that
*two* bullets were recovered during the autopsy(?) Please explain.
robcap...@netscape.com
> On 13 Oct, 09:04, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > >>> "I subscribe to no such nonsense..." <<<
>
> > LOL.
>
> > Oh, that's right! Walt thinks JFK was hit with a transiting bullet
> > from the FRONT at approx. Z161, with JFK continuing to wave and smile
> > for nearly thirty more Z-Frames after being hit with a shot fired by
> > the magical, disappearing gunman from the front, who was firing a
> > magical, disappearing bullet from his magical, disappearing gun that
> > nobody heard being fired from (where was it?) the middle lane of Elm
> > Street or thereabouts? Because given your theory here, there's pretty
> > much nowhere else this gunman could have been located.
>
> > I guess Greer DID do it, folks!
>
> > BTW, Walt's retarded. (In case somebody out there was unaware of that
> > obvious fact.)
>
> Dear Lying Obtuse Bastard..... I don't believe ANY of the stupid shit
> that you espoused above.
>
> There ARE CT's that do believe such crap....And I've tried to warn
> them that assholes like you would use the bizarre nonsense to make all
> a hike.... But some Like Rob and CJ are too obsessed with the
> assassion to leave and they're too damned dumb to shut up and learn.
LOL!!!! Learn from a guy (Walt) who is just like the LNers he claims
to hate as they BOTH CAN'T provide proof for anything they say!!!
Walt, are you EVER going to provide proof for your claims???
muc...@gmail.com
Wouldn't it have been simpler to use the Carcano?
curtjester1
Jerrol Custer - "These are not the X-rays I took. These are fake. I
don't know what these are." He then demonstrated that the upper right
front of the face and the underying bone were missing in the X-rays.
"His face was not damaged. There was no bone missing, I can tell you
that. In these X-rays, all this bone is missing, and I can tell you
this X-ray is not of President Kennedy. That's how I remember it.
To my recollection, there was no frontal damage at all."
Custer went on to describe the way in which he was made to tape bullet
fragments to pieces of skull and X-ray them, the day after the
assassination, being told it was somehow connected to the making of a
bust of Kennedy.
Both O'Connor and Custer said that a bullet from the wound in the back
fell out when the body was lifted from the coffin. Both men
reaffirmed that the probing of the hole did not reveal an exit wound.
They said it was probed to a death about two inches.(Killing the
Truth, pg. 169-70)
CJ
Gil Jesus
It amuses me that you banannaheads have a problem interpreting
"corrosion" inside the barrel as rust, but you have no problem
interpreting the singular word "missile" in a plural form.
Why would he use the singular form of that word if he had received
more than one item ?
So now I'm going to use YOUR tactic:
Did the receipt say missiles or missile ?
robcap...@netscape.com
> On 13 Oct, 18:08, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 13, 7:21 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> > > On 13 Oct, 09:04, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >>> "I subscribe to no such nonsense..." <<<
>
> > > > LOL.
>
> > > > Oh, that's right! Walt thinks JFK was hit with a transiting bullet
> > > > from the FRONT at approx. Z161, with JFK continuing to wave and smile
> > > > for nearly thirty more Z-Frames after being hit with a shot fired by
> > > > the magical, disappearing gunman from the front, who was firing a
> > > > magical, disappearing bullet from his magical, disappearing gun that
> > > > nobody heard being fired from (where was it?) the middle lane of Elm
> > > > Street or thereabouts? Because given your theory here, there's pretty
> > > > much nowhere else this gunman could have been located.
>
> > > > I guess Greer DID do it, folks!
>
> > > > BTW, Walt's retarded. (In case somebody out there was unaware of that
> > > > obvious fact.)
>
> > > Dear Lying Obtuse Bastard..... I don't believe ANY of the stupid shit
> > > that you espoused above.
>
> > > There ARE CT's that do believe such crap....And I've tried to warn
> > > them that assholes like you would use the bizarre nonsense to make all
>
> .....And his quote that he has studied the assassination for 40 years
> recently to make it appear that 'the rest' are amateurs.
>
> THAT was NOT my intent....
Sure it WASN'T, that is why you attack anyone who doesn't see it your
way, huh?
> I was trying to make Stupid Bastard aware
> that I was studying this case when he was still shittin his pants
> ( last week)
We all are familiar with the "journeyman" in sports who is still just
a utility person at the age of 36, or older, when a young kid of 23 is
a STAR already. I am NOT saying I am a star, but rather trying to
illustrate that the time spent at something has NOTHING to do with how
good you are at it. Walt comes to this topic jaded so the information
he absorbs is jaded, thus he reaches faulty conclusions.
I am open to most things, I do NOT believe the driver shot JFK though
and Walt likes to act like a bunch of us on here do embrace that
theory, so I have read many different points of view, starting with
the WC's. He likes to speculate and go in directions there is NO
proof for, thus he is just like the WC, so either he has a huge ego,
which is VERY likely, or he is a LNer (or maybe both).
> I HAVE learned things that others have overlooked.
Nothing of real consequence to be sure as they do NOT stand on their
own in terms of proving conspiracy. They are small points within the
bigger area of evidence that shows conspiracy already.
> I'd
> like to pass that information along to help other SERIOUS researchers
> gain a better perspective of the case.
Walt doesn't get it, does he??? NO serious researcher is going to
accept speculations or theories WITHOUT proof, and Walt can NEVER
provide any for his thoughts.
> But You and Rob are
> hopeless.....you CAN'T learn anything new because your basically
> dishonest and have closed minds.
I.E. - You two just DON'T take my word for without proof.
robcap...@netscape.com
PROVE how this shows a 40.2" Carcano was purchased by LHO as this is
what you are CLAIMING that piece of documentation shows.
Walt
wrote:
Why do you keep expecting me to perform miracles?
I can't show you anything, as long as you have yer head up yer ass.
Walt
Good point....
There may be a number of reasons they didn't use the TSBD Carcano.
The first and probably the most likely reason is because the rifling
in the carcano was designed to stabilize that long bullet (1.23") in
flight at 2200 fps.
A bullet emerging from the barrel at say 800 fps would not fly true.
It would be completey unstable and might miss the target by yards....
On the other hand a custom barreled Mauser could have been designed to
fire a teflon sheathed low powered bullet bullet accurately.
>
>
>
> > > The fact of the recovery of this bullet fully destroys the myth of the
> > > "single bullet," and that evidence of an additional gunshot during the
> > > assassination was suppressed.
>
> > > The issue has been raised that the bullet or missile may have been a
> > > fragment of a bullet or missile. This seems highly unlikely since
> > > Sibert and O'Neill were professional enough to know the difference
> > > between an entire bullet and a small fragment. In addition to this,
> > > the FBI itself did confirm the Washington Post that it was "a bullet"
> > > and not just a fragment.
>
> > > It should be noted that this entire area of discussion occurred many
> > > months before the single bullet theory was invented to try to prove
> > > the "lone assassin theory."
>
> > > ( 6 HSCA 302 )- Hide quoted text -
Gil Jesus
>
> Your question (#2) was:
>
> "Did the FBI receive a bullet from the Secret Service at the autopsy?"
>
> Humes and Boswell were not SS agents, so perhaps you're implying that
> *two* bullets were recovered during the autopsy(?) Please explain.-
My bad that they gave it to the SS. Your bad that they gave it to
Humes and Boswell.
They actually gave it to Capt. Stover.
Walt
I am open to most things,.....
Good!!.... Let's examine the Lifshultz Bill of Lading...point by
point....
> and Walt likes to act like a bunch of us on here do embrace that
> theory, so I have read many different points of view, starting with
> the WC's. He likes to speculate and go in directions there is NO
> proof for, thus he is just like the WC, so either he has a huge ego,
> which is VERY likely, or he is a LNer (or maybe both).
>
> > I HAVE learned things that others have overlooked.
>
> Nothing of real consequence to be sure as they do NOT stand on their
> own in terms of proving conspiracy. They are small points within the
> bigger area of evidence that shows conspiracy already.
>
> > I'd
> > like to pass that information along to help other SERIOUS researchers
> > gain a better perspective of the case.
>
> Walt doesn't get it, does he??? NO serious researcher is going to
> accept speculations or theories WITHOUT proof, and Walt can NEVER
> provide any for his thoughts.
>
> > But You and Rob are
> > hopeless.....you CAN'T learn anything new because your basically
> > dishonest and have closed minds.
>
> I.E. - You two just DON'T take my word for without proof.- Hide quoted text -
Walt
Walt wrote: " I HAVE learned things that others have overlooked."
Curt replied: "Nothing of real consequence to be sure as they do NOT
stand on their own in terms of proving conspiracy. They are small
points within the bigger area of evidence that shows conspiracy
already.
Curt, one of the things I discovered was the bottom sling swivels on
the rifle in CE 133A.
The FACT that the rifle in Oswald's hands in that photo has bottom
sling swivels opens up a big can-o-worms.
You're just not smart enough to see that.
Neither did Jack White see the importance of what I was saying....
He, like you, was so hung up on the theory that ALL of the Back Yard
photos were fake, that he would not see what the evidence showed.
> > I'd
> > like to pass that information along to help other SERIOUS researchers
> > gain a better perspective of the case.
>
> Walt doesn't get it, does he??? NO serious researcher is going to
> accept speculations or theories WITHOUT proof, and Walt can NEVER
> provide any for his thoughts.
>
> > But You and Rob are
> > hopeless.....you CAN'T learn anything new because your basically
> > dishonest and have closed minds.
>
robcap...@netscape.com
ALREADY HAVE, and you FAILED to show how this proves your claim LHO
ordered a 40.2" Carcano!!! Why waste more time???
You REFUSE to put up proof for this claim so discussing it any further
is a pure waste of time as it has NO merits anyway.
robcap...@netscape.com
I replied, NOT CJ.
> Curt, one of the things I discovered was the bottom sling swivels on
> the rifle in CE 133A.
Big deal, the WHOLE picture is FAKE!!!!!!!! You have to lie and claim
LHO altered his own chin to keep you silly claim alive.
> The FACT that the rifle in Oswald's hands in that photo has bottom
> sling swivels opens up a big can-o-worms.
And the 20 other facts, like the chin NOT being the same type LHO had,
does NOT???? Talk about making oneself important to the issue.
> You're just not smart enough to see that.
NO, I'm just NOT gullible enough to fall for that is more like it.
> Neither did Jack White see the importance of what I was saying....
Of course NOT, as there are 20 other points to go after, starting with
a chin that is NOT like the one the man had!!!! I'll take the chin
over the sling swivel mounts anyday.
> He, like you, was so hung up on the theory that ALL of the Back Yard
> photos were fake, that he would not see what the evidence showed.
Because they are!!!!! Why are you so HUNG UP ON proving one of them is
real???
Walt
I can't explain it..... I guess I assumed I was dealing with a
rational person.
Walt
Walt challenged:
Good!!.... Let's examine the Lifshultz Bill of Lading...point by
point....
Rob Whined:
ALREADY HAVE, and you FAILED to show how this proves your claim LHO
ordered a 40.2" Carcano!!!
Why waste more time???
I guess my memory is going.....I don't remember reviewing the
Lifshultz Bill of Lading ...point by point.
But perhaps you could humor your senior and review it again. It
should be a piece-o-cake since you've already did it once. It won't
be a waste of time.....It will give you the opportunity to kick my
ass.
"There was a cowboy kind of mentality and the reality is that kind of
approach is archaic, racist, elitist and arrogant," said Watkins, who
is 40 and never worked for
>
> You REFUSE to put up proof for this claim so discussing it any further
> is a pure waste of time as it has NO merits anyway.- Hide quoted text -
muc...@gmail.com
You mean Sibert and O'Neill, obviously.
> They actually gave it to Capt. Stover.
The fragments were not necessarily in Stover's possession; perhaps he
just helped out with the paperwork. The point is that he wasn't SS
either (thanks for clearing up that it was merely a slip of the pen).
muc...@gmail.com
So, you admit that "roughened from corrosion or wear" and "covered
with rust" are not the same(?)
Walt
Thank you, Gil.... It doesn't get any clearer that that....
Obviously, the FBI agents Siebert and Oneil received a missile from
Captain Stover USN. (Captain Stover was my commanding officer in
1959) It's a shame that there was no weight or dimensions given for
that missile. Because without that information it allows the liars to
claim that the "missile" was just a tiny fragment of a bullet. Not
many rational people will accept that argument but that's beside the
point. I believe it's SOP to weigh and give approximate dimensions of
a missile when it is removed from a murder victim. WHERE is that
record??
.- Hide quoted text -
Walt
Riiiiiight!.... Let's examine the Lifschultz Bill of lading....and
see
who has misintepreted the evidence.
Curt whined:
Already have and it fits right into the overall fabricated rifle
evidence from top to bottom.
Walt challenged:
OK....You say we alreadt have examined the Bill of lading point by
point..... I don't remember doing that ( guess my memory is slipping)
but it should be very easy for you to perform an encore presentation
and make a fool out of me.
Gil Jesus
> The fragments were not necessarily in Stover's possession; perhaps he
> just helped out with the paperwork. The point is that he wasn't SS
> either (thanks for clearing up that it was merely a slip of the pen).
THE "MISSILE" WAS GIVEN DIRECTLY TO THE FBI AGENTS
Stover was the commanding officer of the Medical School at Bethesda.
Then the FBI gave the RECEIPT to Capt. Stover, not the SS.
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/md69/html/md69_0001a.htm
What screwed me up was that the "missile" was given to the FBI and the
SS ended up in possession of the receipt. But further research
revealed that the receipt was not made out to them.
The SS did end up with the receipt, but they got it from Admiral
Burkley.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10772&relPageId=2
It wasn't a slip of the keyboard as such, just a lack of thorough
research of the chain of possession on my part.
robcap...@netscape.com
You have to prove:
1) it is a valid document.
2) it shows a shipment of 40" Carcanos was the basis for it.
3) how these two points, if you can prove them, show LHO ordered a 40"
Carcano.
Until you can do this it is silly to debate a document when all the
available evidence goes against your claims.
> But perhaps you could humor your senior and review it again. It
> should be a piece-o-cake since you've already did it once. It won't
> be a waste of time.....It will give you the opportunity to kick my
> ass.
I don't have to review anything, you are the one claiming LHO ordered
a 40" Carcano and you are stating this document proves it, thus, the
onus of proof is on you, not me.
David Von Pein
>>> "The issue has been raised that the bullet or missile may have been a fragment of a bullet or missile. This seems highly unlikely since Sibert and O'Neill were professional enough to know the difference between an entire bullet and a small fragment." <<<
Here's a helpful hint for Gil and Walt (and all other assorted CT-
Kooks) re. the Sibert/O'Neill "missile".......
The "missile" handled by Sibert & O'Neill on Nov. 22 consisted of very
small FRAGMENTS of metal removed from JFK's head -- fragments only.
How do we know this for an absolute ironclad fact?
2 reasons......
1.) Humes, et al, were searching desperately during the autopsy for a
bullet (or bullets)--ANY signs of a bullet or bullets!--inside JFK's
body. They found NONE. Zero. Zilch. Only the small fragments in the
head. Nothing else. Nothing.
and
2.) No whole "bullet" (or nearly-whole bullet) was entered into
evidence by Sibert, O'Neill, or anybody else connected in any way to
JFK's autopsy. The only whole bullet in the entire case is CE399.
Period. And that wasn't found at Bethesda.
Who exactly was responsible for sweeping this whole "missile" under
the carpet, according to the CTers of Planet Kook? Who did this? And
why?
Something besides the word "missile" would be nice to back up these
unsupportable assertions of a whole bullet being recovered at
Kennedy's autopsy --- wouldn't you agree, Walt? Gilbert? Et al?
If a whole "bullet" had been found at Bethesda, then that bullet would
be part of the evidence on the table in this case TODAY.
The CTers are forced to call Humes, Finck, and Boswell ALL liars in
this "bullet" regard, because not a one of those men saw any whole
bullet at any time during their many hours doing the autopsy on
President Kennedy at Bethesda Naval Hospital on 11/22/63.
The reason that none of the three autopsists testified to seeing a
whole bullet during the autopsy is because no such "bullet"
exists....and never did.
Walt
> >>> "The issue has been raised that the bullet or missile may have been a fragment of a bullet or missile. This seems highly unlikely since Sibert and O'Neill were professional enough to know the difference between an entire bullet and a small fragment." <<<
>
> Here's a helpful hint for Gil and Walt (and all other assorted CT-
> Kooks) re. the Sibert/O'Neill "missile".......
>
> The "missile" handled by Sibert & O'Neill on Nov. 22 consisted of very
> small FRAGMENTS of metal removed from JFK's head -- fragments only.
No, no,no..... Most rational people know the difference between
fragments (plural) of an object and the entire object
( singular)
Example...The Tea cup ( singular object) fell to the floor and broke
into fragments ( pieces ..plural)
This is all so elementary .... But when one is dealing with a
mentally challenged person it's necessary.
David Von Pein
Okay, Walt....so where's the "missile" seen by Sibert/O'Neill?
Where is it?
curtjester1
discovered has nothing to do with my "Curt replied" statement above.
The rifle being observed in a photo doesn't make for argument AT ALL
for the authenticity of the photo. The rifle could have been chosen
before any photos were snapped!
> The FACT that the rifle in Oswald's hands in that photo has bottom
> sling swivels opens up a big can-o-worms.
>
For the rifle and tying it to Oswald yes, but not to making it an
argument for authencitatin a or any BY Photo(s).
> You're just not smart enough to see that.
>
We're just a tad smarter than the end run you're trying to pull.
> Neither did Jack White see the importance of what I was saying....
>
Neither does the whole world when it has to do other than making the
TSBD rifle 'found' different.
> He, like you, was so hung up on the theory that ALL of the Back Yard
> photos were fake, that he would not see what the evidence showed.
>
>
People that are into disproving the authenticity of the BY Photos are
interested in the whole evidentiary process of the photos and all of
the anomolies within the photos, not just or solely the rifle that was
used for the photo. I say this for all besides Walt, because he
knows this already.
CJ
>
> > > I'd
> > > like to pass that information along to help other SERIOUS researchers
> > > gain a better perspective of the case.
>
> > Walt doesn't get it, does he??? NO serious researcher is going to
> > accept speculations or theories WITHOUT proof, and Walt can NEVER
> > provide any for his thoughts.
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> > > But You and Rob are
> > > hopeless.....you CAN'T learn anything new because your basically
> > > dishonest and have closed minds.
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Walt
Curt, yer a waste of time..... yer just too pig headed to open yer
eyes and see...
Gil Jesus
> Okay, Walt....so where's the "missile" seen by Sibert/O'Neill?
>
> Where is it?
HEY THAT WAS MY QUESTION TO YOU GUYS.
Walt
Well it's a question that ANY reasonable and RATIONAL person logically
would ask.......
Anybody with a brain of an eight year old can read the reciept signed
by Sibert AND Oneill and see there is only ONE object being recieved
by TWO FBI agents....
Do you think that BOTH of those men wouldn't have known the difference
between a single objext and several objests??
Do you think that BOTH of those educated man would NOT know how to
count???