The Absurdity of Anthony Marsh..
eca...@tx.rr.com
"1 Hole + 1 Hole + 1 Hole does not always
have to add up to 1 bullet. In other cases
3 holes indicate 3 bullets."
-----MARSH OFF-----
Tony your absurdity never ceases
to amaze.. A hole in the coat,
shirt, and back that don't line
up equals a bunched coat. Next
you incredibly wish to have a
a drawing overrule photos.
Astonishing..
Ed 0301Feb2707
On Feb 25, 12:23 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> David Von Pein wrote:
> >>>> "What discrepancy? Quantify it. Explain how the hole in the shirt matches up with the hole in the jacket." <<<
>
> > There's really no need to "explain" it via any fancier details than I
> > already have (which HAS to be a true scenario, barring major
> > undetected/unnoticed "fakery" taking place).
>
> > But I'll try (again)........
>
> > 1 hole in shirt.
> > 1 hole in jacket.
> > 1 hole in the back of John Fitzgerald Kennedy (35th POTUS).
>
> > Equals = _____________.
>
> Bullet hitting at T-1.
>
> > Guess what I'd put in that blank?
>
> Bullet hitting above the top of the shoulders ala the Rydberg drawing
> and Boswell's "correction."
>
> > Instead...why don't you (or any CTer) fill it in for me. I'd enjoy
> > seeing any type of logical alternative to the obvious one.
>
> Again, because you don't have the evidence, you assume that whatever WC
> fiction you've red is the obvious solution.
>
>
>
> >>>> "The WC defenders cannot explain away the hole in the shirt." <<<
>
> > Just did. Via common sense.
>
> No, just reciting WC fiction is not common sense.
> It is common consensus.
>
>
>
> >>>> "A bullet does not have to cause substantial damage to innards when it stops dead in its tracks. It is possible and it has happened often." <<<
>
> > Quantify that statement please. Shoot some people up and see if you
> > can get a WCC/MC/FMJ bullet at 2000fps (approx.) to stop inside a
>
> I never said a 2000 fps WCC/M-C/FMJ bullet. In fact many times I have
> told other conspiracy believers that Humes's theory about a shallow
> entry is impossible for a WCC/M-C/FMJ bullet. Such a shallow entry has
> happened many times with other calibers such as a .45 or .22. If they
> want to imagine some other caliber then such a thing could happen, but
> then they'd have other problems with their theories, such as where the
> shot came from and what happened to the bullet, and all the damage that
> we know did happen in Kennedy's neck.
> And as far as shooting some people up with a WCC/M-C/FMJ bullet and
> getting the bullet to stop inside them, that is exactly what you WC
> defenders claim happened to Connally, the bullet stopping and getting
> stuck in his thigh and then falling out on its own. That is also what
> Humes et al theorized about the Kennedy back wound. And you call them
> competent?
>
> > person's back/neck without having that bullet hit any "bony
> > protuberances" en route, AND without leaving many fragments behind in
> > its wake.
>
> Where did you come up with the idea of many fragments left behind in its
> wake? That did not happen in the JFK back wound.
>
> > And then try doing it TWICE to the very same victim -- which is what
> > is really required in this (JFK) case. Because doing it just once
> > ain't gonna cut it. You need TWO bullets like that to vanish inside
> > JFK, while causing no damage.
>
> There have been many cases of a person having more than one bullet left
> in the body. I propose no such solution in the JFK case.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Good luck. (Times two.)
>
> >>>> "I might remind you that it is one of your own, Mark Fuhrman, who proposes that the bullet deflected up and out of the throat to then hit the chrome topping, the dent of which every other investigation has ignored." <<<
>
> > I'm fully aware of Mr. Fuhrman's anti-SBT theory. And he's dead
> > wrong...for many reasons. Here's precisely why he's dead wrong.....
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4c7616a35ac60e22
>
> >>>> "Occam's Razor is a crutch for the weak minded. The simplest explanation is not always the correct explanation." <<<
>
> > But more often than not...it is.
>
> > And in the "Bullet Holes Don't Line Up" scenario, not only is the
> > simplest explanation the correct one, it is the ONLY POSSIBLE
> > EXPLANATION, unless you can prove massive fakery and skullduggery.
>
> But again you misuse Occam's Razor. It is not the simplest explanation
> only because you propose it.
>
> > Can you do that in this case?
>
> There is no need to prove massive fakery and skulduggery. There is some
> and I am one of the few to prove it. But again that idea is a crutch for
> weak minds. Deal with the facts.
>
> > Didn't think so.
>
> >>>> "Quantum mechanics and string theory are not simple explanations." <<<
>
> > There's nothing like over-complicating the uncomplicated, is there?
> > CTers are known for it.
>
> > But the last time I checked, 1 Hole + 1 Hole + 1 Hole will still equal
> > 1 bullet (i.e., the SAME bullet) going through every one of those
> > three holes -- even in most Quantum Mechanics classrooms.
>
> 1 Hole + 1 Hole + 1 Hole does not always have to add up to 1 bullet. In
> other cases 3 holes indicate 3 bullets.- Hide quoted text -
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lazu...@webtv.net
we just call him Tony" thicker than cream cheese Marsh".
David Von Pein
The whole "hole" controversy is a "hole" lot of talk about absolutely
nothing important (or reasonable).
I'm still trying to figure out what the CT-Kooks' alternative scenario
is when they argue "The Holes Don't Line Up Right". Anybody know?
Is this photo supposedly "fake"?.....
http://www.jfklancer.com/photos/autopsy_slideshow/images/BE5_HI.jpg
Or, lacking that, was JFK shot TWICE in the back? If so, where's
evidence of the SECOND bullet hole in his back that would equate with
the CTer version of the LOWER BACK WOUND (based strictly on the jacket
hole)? Plus, where's the SECOND hole in the shirt and jacket?
What makes infinitely more sense is the "1 + 1 + 1 = 1 Bullet (The
SAME Bullet) had to go through all three holes" scenario...which is,
of course, the way things happened on Elm St. on 11/22.
Any other theory is just unsupportable tripe being put forth by people
who WANT there to be something "suspicious" about this assassination.
lazu...@webtv.net
shirt, did not/could not "bunch up". The hole in the shirt is at about
T3. The hole in the jacket is at about T3. The holes line up, therefore
the wound was at T3, where all the evidence, including the autopsy
photograph, the autopsy posterior body chart, and the Death Certificate
place it.
Old Laz, straight shooter
eca...@tx.rr.com
1 + 1 + 1 = 1 reasoning by Marsh
and raise you this priceless
explanation by the same nit-wit
attempting to show how the neck
exit round ricocheted off C7 and
then missed both Connally and the
entire limo :
http://home.comcast.net/~the-puzzle-palace/limo2006.gif
MR ;~D
eca...@tx.rr.com
1 + 1 + 1 = 1 reasoning by Marsh
and raise you this priceless
explanation by the same nit-wit
attempting to show how the neck
exit round ricocheted off C7 and
then missed both Connally and the
entire limo :
http://home.comcast.net/~the-puzzle-palace/limo2006.gif
MR ;~D
On Feb 27, 4:47 pm, "David Von Pein" <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
eca...@tx.rr.com
out of dozens as to why Tony
Marsh's credibility is where
it is:
"Facts" from Marsh:
1) Oswald's rifle JAMMED while he
was shooting at Kennedy
2) The grassy knoll shooter took
an INSURANCE SHOT
3) The shutter speed of Mr Z's
camera CHANGED during the Z film
4) The Warren Commission was in
on the FIX.
5) The impact was at Z312 rather
than Z313
6) The Moorman photo was after Z313
MR ;~D 0258Feb2807
On Feb 27, 9:21 pm, JLeyden...@aol.com wrote:
> On Feb 26, 5:33 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Tony's involved in a bit of sleight of hand here with his statement that
> "the majority of ear witnesses thought the shots had come from the grassy
> knoll." Actually the HSCA said only 12 pct. said the grassy knoll with 28
> pct. opting for the TSBD and most offering no opinion on the source.
> Tony apparently is citing Josiah Thompson here but chooses not to identify
> his source. Heck, I wouldn't either in his place.
>
> JGL
>
>
>
> > ecag...@tx.rr.com wrote:
> > >MARSHON: "Sorry, I meant Dave Powers.
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Powers"
>
> > > So this means your post on
> > > "Kenny O'Donnell" was ***wrong***?
> > > And we simply plug in "David
> > > Powers?"
> > > Okay, I'll bite, but remember
> > > you said you meant to say
> > > "David Powers" instead of Kenny
> > > O'Donnell.
>
> > I meant to say David Powers yielded to FBI pressure to change his
> > testimony and not reveal that he heard shots coming from the grassy
> > knoll. This is what he told Tip O'Neil.
>
> > > -----TONY ON:-----
> > > "David Powers yielded to FBI pressure
> > > to change his testimony and not reveal
> > > that he heard shots coming from the
> > > grassy knoll. Isn't Posner the original
> > > "Magic Twig" guy? It's fun to make fun of
> > > Lifton, but please stick to the facts."
> > > -----TONY OFF-----
>
> > > Tony here's what wikipedia says:
> > > -----ON-----
> > > "During the assassination of President John F. Kennedy Powers was
> > > riding in the Secret Service followup car directly behind the
> > > presidential limousine and is seen in the famous Zapruder film. Powers
> > > stated that he remembered hearing three shots, and that after the
> > > first shot, Powers and Kenneth P. O'Donnell (another military veteran
> > > sitting next to Powers) both immediately thought that President
> > > Kennedy had been shot because they each heard a shot noise and watched
> > > the president then react and move his head and upper torso very
> > > quickly and noticeably much further to his left. During a shared
> > > dinner in 1968 Powers stated to Tip O'Neil that he felt sure that two
> > > of the shots came from behind the grassy knoll picket fence, and that
> > > Powers had told the FBI that shots had originated from behind the
> > > grassy knoll picket fence, but the FBI told Powers that the shots
> > > could not have happened that way and that Powers was imagining things,
> > > so Powers testified to the Warren Commission the way that the FBI
> > > wanted him to. O'Neil said that O'Donnell was also at the same dinner
> > > and fully agreed with what Powers stated about there being grassy
> > > knoll sourced shots."
> > > -----OFF-----
> > > So what's your pointMarsh?
> > > Many witnesses could not at
> > > first identify where the shots
> > > came from..
>
> > The majority of earwitnesses thought the shots had come from the grassy
> > knoll.
>
> > > Tony do you still think there was
> > > a GK shooter? Or have you *changed*
> > > your mind on that?
>
> > I will never change my mind that there was a grassy knoll shooter.
>
> > > Ed Cage 2158Feb2507
>
> > > On Feb 25, 9:03 am,AnthonyMarsh<anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >> ecag...@tx.rr.com wrote:
> > >>> More things Tony knows that the
> > >>> rest of us somehow missed..
> > >>> -----TONY ON:-----
> > >>> "Kenny O'Donnell yielded to FBI pressure to change his testimony and
> > >>> not reveal that he heard shots coming from the grassy knoll.
> > >>> Isn't Posner the original "Magic Twig" guy? It's fun to make fun of
> > >>> Lifton, but please stick to the facts."
> > >>> -----TONY OFF-----
> > >>> Tony how did you come by the above
> > >>> "fact" about O'Donnell and the FBI?
> > >> Sorry, I meant Dave Powers.
>
> > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Powers
>
> > >>> Ed Cage<==Married an O'Donnell so
> > >>> perhaps Kenny is in my/her family
> > >>> tree.. 0458Feb2407
> > >>> On Feb 23, 2:54 pm,AnthonyMarsh<anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >>>> chuck schuyler wrote:
> > >>>>> On Feb 23, 8:38 am, ecag...@tx.rr.com wrote:
> > >>>>>> ---------DYANDELL ON:
> > >>>>>> "I've always thought the "ambulance
> > >>>>>> that looked just like a hearse" that
> > >>>>>> arrived before JFK's coffin was
> > >>>>>> supposed to, driven by guys in dark
> > >>>>>> suits (Secret Service or Mortician
> > >>>>>> & assistants?), that seems to have
> > >>>>>> been the basis of so much of
> > >>>>>> Lifton's speculation .."
> > >>>>>> DYANDELL OFF--------
> > >>>>>> Interesting observation dyandell.
> > >>>>>> But in my view Lifton was/is of a
> > >>>>>> high enough intellect to have
> > >>>>>> known what he proposed was pure
> > >>>>>> un-do-able BALONEY. I believe
> > >>>>>> Lifton was motivated by the
> > >>>>>> *MONEY* God.
> > >>>>>> Ed Cage 0352Feb2307
> > >>>>> Hey, Ed...
> > >>>>> I'm gonna disagree with you regarding Lifton's motivation being about
> > >>>>> money. He's just an absolutely committed conspiracist, and part of the
> > >>>>> original 1960's "There's Something Fishy Here (TSFH)" crowd that was
> > >>>>> full of passion and fervor to get to the bottom of things.
> > >>>>> What is unfortunate about Lifton is that here is a guy who definitely
> > >>>>> "researches" things...I mean, c'mon...this guy really knows how to dig
> > >>>>> stuff up-a lot of time on his hands, apparently-but like so many
> > >>>>> people from the TSFH crowd, he draws really, really, really bizarre
> > >>>>> conclusions from the details he uncovers.
> > >>>>> Best Evidence is the first book I read about the JFK assassination
> > >>>>> that made me laugh. I know Mr. Lifton certainly didn't intend for his
> > >>>>> book to have an affect like that on anyone, but I found the whole
> > >>>>> notion of JFK's body being switched, especially knowing that he was
> > >>>>> surrounded by a loyal cadre of men that would've given their lives to
> > >>>>> keep something like a body switch from happening, to be absurd.
> > >>>>> Lifton's tome isn't 'funny', actually...it's just sad. 1,000 pages (or
> > >>>>> whatever the darn thing was) of dense, turgid prose masquerading as
> > >>>>> breakthrough research.
> > >>>> I agree with your assessment that Lifton's body switch theory is FOS.
> > >>>> But your claim about Kennedy aides being able to prevent such a thing
> > >>>> rings hollow and you have not carefully researched it. Kennedy's body
> > >>>> was left unguarded at times, especially during the swearing in of
> > >>>> President Johnson. Jackie did not stay with the body at all times as WC
> > >>>> defenders claim. And no SS agents were assigned to guard it. Not I, but
> > >>>> other conspiracy believers contend that the SS was part of the
> > >>>> conspiracy, so the switch could have happened while they were the only
> > >>>> ones with the body. Or maybe there is no need for a switch at all, but
> > >>>> rather a very sloppy attempt to retrieve a bullet which did not match
> > >>>> Oswald's ammo.
> > >>>> I am afraid your faith in the government and Kennedy's aides is
> > >>>> misplaced. All of Kennedy's aides gathered in a room and agreed to a
> > >>>> conspiracy to lie about the facts concerning the Cuban Missile Crisis.
> > >>>> Kenny O'Donnell yielded to FBI pressure to change his testimony and not
> > >>>> reveal that he heard shots coming from the grassy knoll.
> > >>>>> Isn't Lifton the original "portable shrubs on the knoll" sniper nest
> > >>>>> guy? Apparently, Lifton once felt that fake bushes were trundled in
> > >>>>> from somewhere so guys could more easily hide and fire at JFK. What
> > >>>>> nonsense.
> > >>>> Isn't Posner the original "Magic Twig" guy?
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