"He Was A White Man In His Early 30s, Slender, 5-Feet-10, About 165 To 175 Pounds" -- Howard L. Brennan
David VP
and would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds." -- Howard L. Brennan;
November 22, 1963
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Howard Leslie Brennan is a name that should probably be quite
recognizable to many Americans (and not only students of the JFK
assassination), but most likely isn't. And that's a bit of a shame,
too, because Mr. Brennan is an important figure in U.S. history.
He wasn't a famous inventor, or politician, or movie star. He was an
ordinary 44-year-old man, with a wife, two children, and one grandson.
He had an ordinary job as a steamfitter for a construction company in
Dallas, Texas, when he by chance witnessed one of the most shocking
events of the 20th century -- the assassination of the 35th U.S.
President, John F. Kennedy, on Friday afternoon, November 22nd, 1963.
Brennan watched with his own eyes as a gunman took aim at President
Kennedy from a 6th-Floor corner window of the old and drab-looking
building right across the street from where Brennan had secured for
himself a good place to watch JFK's motorcade as it snaked through
Dealey Plaza that balmy Friday afternoon in late 1963. Brennan was
sitting atop a low concrete wall located at the intersection of Elm
Street and Houston Street on the western edge of downtown Dallas.
Mr. Brennan would later identify the gunman he saw as 24-year-old Lee
Harvey Oswald, a minimum-wage ($1.25/hr.) stock man who had been
working for the Texas School Book Depository Company since October
16th, 1963. It was from his very workplace inside the Depository
Building that Oswald fired the three shots that changed history and
ended the life of the 46-year-old President Kennedy.
Many conspiracy theorists feel the need to attempt to discredit
Brennan's positive identification of Oswald as the Depository assassin.
They'll claim he couldn't possibly have been absolutely sure it was
Oswald shooting at the President....either because of the distance
between Brennan and the assassin's window....or because Brennan's
eyesight was supposedly very bad....or because he wasn't even looking
at the Depository when the shooting occurred at 12:30 PM (CST) on
November 22....or a variety of other convenient excuses that CTers tend
to use.
But not one of these "excuses" has been proven as fact by conspiracy
buffs....and the one about "bad eyesight" is most certainly provably
wrong. Brennan did suffer an eye injury in a sandblasting accident,
which indeed affected his eyesight, but that accident occurred in late
January of 1964, two months AFTER he witnessed Oswald kill the
President in November of '63.
Critics of Brennan's story will also usually cite the fact that Brennan
didn't positively identify Oswald in a police line-up on the day of the
assassination, which is correct. However, the critics fail to assess
the true reason as to WHY that was the case. Brennan was, initially,
just plain scared to I.D. Oswald as the man who murdered JFK. And he
said as much in his official testimony given to the Warren Commission
on March 24, 1964. He feared that he and his family might be in some
danger if the assassination turned out to be the result of some wider
plot.
Many CTers also believe that Howard Brennan is full of nothing but hot
air and that his fingering of Oswald was a direct result of Brennan
having first seen LHO on TV or in the newspapers. However, this type of
argument is cut down several pegs when Brennan's INITIAL description of
the assassin in the window is taken into account. Brennan, just minutes
after the shooting, and well before he ever saw Oswald's picture or
knew who he was, described an assassin whose general features did fit
those of Lee Oswald, which would have been a pretty amazing
coincidence, indeed, if the real killer wasn't Oswald.
It would also be truly remarkable on the "coincidence" scale if Brennan
just happened, at random, to generally describe the owner of the rifle
that was found at 1:22 PM on the very same floor of the Book Depository
where Brennan saw this man firing "some type of a high-powered rifle"
(Brennan's WC words) at the President's vehicle. The totality of
Brennan's eyewitness testimony indicates one thing -- he saw Lee Harvey
Oswald shooting a gun at JFK.
Another theory that CTers seem to like quite a bit is the one that
claims it wasn't really Brennan who gave the first description of the
Depository sniper to the police just a few minutes after the shooting.
Conspiracists want to believe, evidently, that either the police simply
made up out of thin air the description of the assailant in the TSBD
.... or .... that it was some other (unknown and never identified)
person who gave DPD Inspector J. Herbert Sawyer the description of the
killer....which was a description that almost perfectly matched the one
Brennan gave in his 11/22 affidavit.
I don't deny that there was/is some confusion regarding who exactly it
was who gave the first description of the assassin to the police (which
was the basis for the initial APB broadcast by the DPD at 12:43 PM on
11/22/63). But to believe that it was someone other than Brennan who
gave Inspector Sawyer the description of the killer is to also believe
that two strange things occurred in relation to this "other" witness
(with #2 belonging in a separate "Very Odd And Amazingly Coincidental"
category:
1.) It was a witness who was never identified (and never bothered to
come forward to be identified), even though he is providing some of the
most important info in history.
2.) This unknown witness' physical description of the assassin just
happens to perfectly coincide with the info that Brennan supplied the
police and the Secret Service and (later) the Warren Commission.
Also -- If there WAS, in fact, yet ANOTHER witness who saw the exact
same thing that Brennan saw, this would tend to buttress (even more)
the notion that Oswald, or someone who looked very similar to Oswald,
was firing from just where Brennan said the man was firing from in the
Book Depository Building.
Herbert Sawyer broadcast the following description of the assassin over
the Dallas Police radio just after 12:43 PM, just thirteen minutes
after President Kennedy was shot:
"The wanted person in this is a slender white male about 30, 5-feet-10,
165, carrying what looks to be a thirty-thirty or some type of
Winchester."
Now, the "30-30/Winchester" remark indicates that the description put
out over the DPD radio by Sawyer probably came from multiple sources,
one of which (given the physical description supplied) was almost
certainly Brennan.
Plus, Sawyer's bulletin also erroneously assumed that the assassin,
after fleeing the Depository, was still "carrying" the weapon he had
just used to cut down the President of the United States. Obviously,
that portion of the bulletin turned out to be incorrect; and common
sense would also dictate that the killer (unless he was entirely
suicidal) probably wouldn't have had a desire to walk out of Dealey
Plaza while holding a rifle for all to see just minutes after the
President had been shot.
Plus -- Brennan's WC testimony indicates that he thinks he talked to
"Mr. Sorrels" right in front of the "Book Store" a mere minutes after
the last shot was fired. But we know this cannot be true -- because it
was established that Forrest Sorrels of the Secret Service did not
return to Dealey Plaza until approximately 12:50 PM to 12:55 PM.
But we also know that Brennan definitely DID talk to Forrest Sorrels at
some point on 11/22 -- because Sorrels physically took Brennan and
another witness, Amos Euins, to the Sheriff's Office to take their
statements (and Sorrels mentions Brennan's work clothes and hard hat).
So this had to be at approximately 1:00 PM, or maybe shortly
thereafter.
It's a pretty safe bet to assume that Brennan had simply mixed up the
two similar-sounding names of the officials he spoke to on 11/22
("Sorrels" and "Sawyer").
When Brennan's WC testimony is studied, we can see that Brennan ran
over to a "police officer" within seconds of the shooting -- with
Brennan asking this officer to get him "someone in charge". This
officer then leaves for a few minutes and then returns and takes
Brennan to a man who Brennan said was Secret Service Agent Sorrels
(which would be impossible if this happened within just a few minutes
of the shooting).
Inspector Sawyer said he talked to "25 to 50 different people" who
provided "information of one kind or another" in the hectic minutes
just after the assassination, and was not sure who it was who gave him
the description of the Depository assassin, which only adds to the
mystery and adds more fuel to the fire for CTers (who don't require
much of an excuse to toss Brennan's account out the window anyway).
Sawyer said the following to the WC re. the person who was the source
of the important 12:43 APB broadcast:
"I can't remember that much about him. I was real hazy about that. ...
I don't remember what he was wearing. I remember that he was a white
man and that he wasn't young and he wasn't old. He was there. That is
[sic] the only two things that I can remember about him." -- J. Herbert
Sawyer; April 8, 1964
Another important point to be made re. Brennan's ability to "positively
identify" people within the Book Depository from his location across
the street from that building is that fact that Brennan, minutes after
the shooting, correctly identified the two black men he had observed in
the fifth-floor window (directly under the rifleman's window) at the
time he had also observed the gunman on the sixth floor.
Brennan's WC testimony in that regard:
MR. BRENNAN -- "{I} spoke to Mr. Sorrels, and told him that those were
the two colored boys that was [sic] on the fifth floor, or on the next
floor underneath the man that fired the gun."
GERALD FORD -- "You positively identified them?"
MR. BRENNAN -- "I did, at that time."
Brennan's identification of both Harold Norman and Bonnie Ray Williams
(the "colored boys" on the 5th Floor) is, in my view, very important
information -- because it proves beyond all doubt that is WAS, indeed,
possible for an eyewitness to positively identify specific human beings
located on the upper floors of the Depository Building from Brennan's
vantage point across Elm Street.
IMO, the weight of the evidence suggests that it was Howard Brennan, to
the exclusion of all other witnesses, who gave the police the
assassin's physical description on which Herbert Sawyer's DPD Radio APB
broadcast at 12:43 PM was based. (Not the rifle-type data, though --
because there's nothing in the record about Brennan ever saying "30-30
rifle" or "Winchester rifle".)
But, in the long run, no matter WHO it was that provided the physical
description of the assassin -- the FACT is that the description
perfectly matched the info supplied by Brennan -- which also indicates
the likelihood that Lee Harvey Oswald was, indeed, firing a rifle at
President Kennedy on November 22nd.
Howard L. Brennan's initial first-minutes-after-the-assassination,
Oswald-like description of an assassin in the TSBD, plus his later
positive identification of Lee Oswald as said assassin, plus the wealth
of additional physical and circumstantial evidence in the JFK murder
case all add up to one impossible-to-sidestep conclusion......
Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed President John Fitzgerald Kennedy on
November 22nd, 1963.
David Von Pein
February 2006
Papa Andy
LHO wasn't 5' 10"
didn't weigh 165-175
wasn't 30
hey case closed
the Red Queen would understand
A
tomnln
Tell the people WHY Brennan Needed "Immunity" to testify to the HSCA?
Your Hero is a Felon.
"David VP" <davev...@aol.com> wrote in message
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curtj...@webtv.net
and later come back afraid to talk about the assassination?
aeffects
pick'em Von Pain
David VP
Yeah, that's right. I "picked" Brennan out of a hat (among the
thousands of people who actually saw and described the killer in the
window).
I wanted to "pick" out a good-looking woman as my "pet witness" (for
obvious eye-candy reasons), but the WC told me I couldn't. We had to go
with Brennan.
Them's the breaks, I guess.
Ben Holmes
curtj...@webtv.net says...
>
>Why did Brennan take three weeks off work to 'confrence' with the FBI,
>and later come back afraid to talk about the assassination?
That is a question best asked of our resident expert in FBI intimidation of
eyewitnesses - Toddy.
He's so well-versed in this topic that he's been too busy ducking any discussion
of FBI intimidation.
And just for the fun of it, here it is again (Hope you don't mind, Curtjester!)
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Toddy has been ducking and running from this post ever since I originally posted
it last year... I figure it's time to let Toddy squirm some more.
Anyone ever stop to think why LNT'ers refuse to debate or answer the evidence?
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Todd, just like other LNT'ers, refuse to see what is right before their eyes,
and refuse to attempt to explain it when it becomes clear that they can't refute
it.
Toddy didn't like it very much when I asserted:
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Since the FBI, as early as Saturday, was *telling* eyewitnesses that there were
only three shots, coaching eyewitnesses to say what the FBI wanted to hear, it's
amazing that we have as many accounts as we do that there were more.
Mr. BELIN. How many shots did you hear, if you remember?
Mr. EDWARDS. Well, I heard one more than was fired, I believe.
And considering the number of people who've come forward to state that their
affidavits and even *testimony* was changed, again, it's simply amazing that as
much evidence as we have is still left in the record.
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But Toddy won't actually *respond* to this... so let's add some more accounts to
the fire. That way, Toddy can ignore even *more* accounts:
Richard Randolf Carr was a steelworker watching the motorcade from the
Courthouse building. He testified:
Q: Mr. Carr, did you talk to any FBI agents about this incident?
A: Yes, I did.
Q: Did they tell you to forget about it?
MR. DYMOND: I object to that as hearsay.
BY MR. GARRISON:
Q: Were you threatened in any way --
THE COURT: I sustain the objection. You cannot tell us the words used by someone
who spoke to you because of hearsay; however, you can state that you had
conversations with them and what did you do as a result of the conversation, I
will permit that.
BY MR. GARRISON:
Q: As the result of the conversations with the Federal Bureau of Investigation,
what did you do?
A: I done as I was instructed, I shut my mouth.
Q: Were you called to testify before the Warren Commission?
A: No, sir.
Carr told researchers Gary Shaw and Larry Harris: "The FBI came to my
house-there were two of them-and they said they heard I witnessed the
assassination and I said I did. They told me, 'If you didn't see Lee Harvey
Oswald up in the School Book Depository with a rifle, you didn't witness it.'" I
said, 'Well, the man I saw on television that they tell me is Lee Harvey Oswald
was not in the window of the School Book Depository. That's not the man.' And
(one of the agents) said I better keep my mouth shut. He did not ask me what I
saw, he told me what I saw."
But perhaps Toddy doesn't find anything strange about reports such as this.
After all, he's questioned eyewitnesses himself, and has the solution to the
case. Yet explaining why eyewitnesses were threatened poses a problem ... one
that he won't address.
Ed Hoffman, the deaf mute who belatedly came forward and claimed to have seen
two men with a rifle behind the pickett fence on the grassy knoll, stated that
he'd been warned by an FBI agent to keep quiet "or you might get killed."
Then we have an attorney, Carroll Jarnagin, who reported being an eyewitness to
a meeting between LHO and Ruby. According to an interview he gave Marrs, FBI
agents, instead of investigating his potentially explosive revelations, tried
accusing him of hallucinating. Jarnagin asserted that their conduct was
"clearly abuse of a witness."
Moving along to more august eyewitnesses, Senator Ralph Yarborough was shocked
at the treatment he received from the Warren Commission staff (admittedly not
the FBI, but related). He stated that they "walked in like they were a couple
of deputy sheriffs and and I was a bank robber." They tried to pressure him to
sign a statement that closed with "This is all I know about the assassination"
and when he refused, they kept pressuring him, saying "you're holding this up,"
and demanded he sign the statement. As Yarborough told Jim Marrs in 1986, "...I
typed one up myself and put basically what I told you about how the cars all
stopped. I put in there, 'I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings but for the
protection of future presidents, they should be trained to take off when a shot
is fired."
If a United States Senator can be treated this way, imagine the lack or respect
those "investigating" the assassination accorded the average citizen. David
Powers, as I previously mentioned, was another who asserted that he'd been
"pressured" to lie to the Warren Commission. Interestingly, he must have
resisted quite well, since his deposition is certainly not one that the WC would
have welcomed. Perhaps this is why he was never questioned... or more
accurately - when he *WAS* questioned by Arlen Spector, why his testimony was
never put in the record.
(Now is perhaps a good time to mention that Toddy had no response to make when I
mentioned an example of the tremendous coverup going on, that:
"As just one of the simple examples, care to defend the fact that the *closest*
non-limo eyewitness to the murder, *a policeman* at that, was never questioned
by anyone prior to the WCR being released?
Nor can you argue that the WC was unaware of him - Anyone can view the Altgen's
photo, and see him for themselves."
Toddy couldn't find the strength to respond to this... but perhaps this isn't
covered in the "Lone Nutter's Handbook".
Moving on... David Lifton reports Tomlinson's account, who history has recorded
as the finder of CE 399, and who was called by the FBI that night - after
midnight, and being told to keep his mouth shut about what he'd found. Tomlinson
noted that "And they have a way to make a believer out of you".
Mark Lane records this statement of Jean Hill: "For two years I have told the
truth, but I have two children to support and I am a public school teacher. My
principal said it would be best not to talk about the assassination, and I just
can't go through it all again. I can't believe the Warren Report. I know it's
all a lie, because I was there when it happened, but I can't talk about it
anymore because I don't want the FBI here constantly and I want to continue to
teach here. I hope you don't think I'm a coward but I cannot talk about the case
anymore." But noooo... we must listen to Toddy, he carefully coaches us that
there has not been any FBI intimidation in this case.
In Tip O'Neill's book Man of The House, O'Neill describes a conversation with
O'Donnell, who told him he was sure that two shots had come from the fence
behind the grassy knoll. (As does Powers) O'Neill said to O'Donnell, "That's not
what you told the Warren Commission." O'Donnell responded, "You're right, I told
the FBI what I had heard, but they said it couldn't have happened that way and
that I must have been imagining things. So I testified the way they wanted me
to. I just didn't want to stir up any more pain and trouble for the family."
But nooooo... we must listen to Toddy... who will tell you that no such thing
ever happened. (or, more accurately, will simply refuse to respond.)
While I'm sure that this is an incomplete list, when we have a record of
eyewitness intimidation such as this - what explanation does Toddy offer?
Why... none at all.
Congratulations, Toddy!
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