Debating The John F. Kennedy Assassination (Part 14)
David Von Pein
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SUBJECT -- The JFK Assassination: The Ongoing "Lone Assassin vs.
Conspiracy" Debate.
FEATURED TEXT -- Archived JFK Forum Messages From July 2006, August
2006, and September 2006.
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CTer (A CONSPIRACY THEORIST) -- {Secret Service Agent George W.} Hickey
was considerably closer to JFK than {Lee Harvey} Oswald was. So, if and
when the AR-15 {automatic rifle} went off, his accidentally shooting
JFK was not such a remote possibility. To disregard THAT is ludicrous
and stupid.
DVP (DAVID VON PEIN) -- It certainly is not stupid to disregard such a
preposterous theory. Why? Because it never happened; nor COULD it
conceivably have happened, given the evidence in the case.
Via the "Hickey Accidentally Shot JFK" logic, we could also start
advocating (in earnest) the "Greer Shot Kennedy" theory too, since Bill
Greer (the limo driver) was even closer to JFK than was Hickey...or
Oswald.
Plus, there's always Roy Kellerman as well (he was armed with a weapon
that day too). And maybe Nellie. Or even Jackie. (Remember, she had a
purse for hiding small handguns.) ;)
And what about Charles Brehm? (He was one of the closest bystanders. He
COULD have had a bazooka under his jacket...right?)
Back to reality (and some common sense) -- To believe that SS Agent
Hickey just HAPPENED to hit John F. Kennedy (the very same person who
was also Lee Harvey Oswald's target on 11/22/63) in the head with an
ACCIDENTAL shot from his AR-15 rifle is to stretch "coincidence" well
beyond the breaking point.
Not to mention the fact that Kennedy aide David Powers, located just a
matter of inches from Agent Hickey this whole time, would have to be
either completely deaf or the biggest liar in Dallas when he never came
forward after the President's assassination to say WORD ONE about a man
in the very car in which he (Powers) was riding firing a rifle
(accidentally or otherwise) at any point in time on November 22nd,
1963.
The "Hickey Did It" theory is total nonsense. No one who has looked
into the JFK case in any depth whatsoever could possibly believe such a
silly, unsupportable story. It's just one more idiotic theory being
tossed onto the front stoop by rabid conspiracists who have a desire to
alter the unalterable evidence of Lee Harvey Oswald's lone guilt in the
JFK assassination.
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DVP -- Regarding the "Oswald Was Really Aiming At Governor John
Connally" theory:
That rumor, too, is hogwash (IMO).
For one thing, if LHO was aiming at Mr. Connally, he wasn't making it
very easy for himself by waiting to shoot until the car was well onto
Elm Street....because JFK was in the way (a major SBT-supporting point,
of course).
Plus: I'd be willing to wager that Oswald didn't even have the
slightest idea on the morning of November 22nd that Connally would even
BE in that motorcade.
Yes, the above is just a guess....but has anyone been able to prove for
certain that Oswald DID know that John Connally would be riding in
JFK's car (or would be riding somewhere in the motorcade at all)? I
don't think so.
A much better "secondary" target for Oswald that day in Dallas, in my
view, would have been Vice-President Lyndon Johnson (who was located
directly below Oswald's 6th-Floor window at the time President Kennedy
was being shot). If he had had more time available to him (and more
bullets), it's possible that Oswald might have taken a potshot or two
at LBJ as well.
Assassination food for thought at any rate.
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CTer -- I guess that the two females {Jackie and Nellie} were too
frightened to be of much use as witnesses or to be conscious of
everything that was going on around them.
DVP -- I love this one! The two ladies (who were not injured by bullets
in any fashion, to dull their senses on that basis) were "too
frightened" to hear JFK's (supposed) "I'm Hit" statement after being
shot (per Roy Kellerman's testimony).
And yet these same two ladies WERE somehow not "too frightened" to hear
the comments being uttered by EVERYBODY ELSE in the vehicle -- i.e.,
Jackie HEARD John Connally's "My God" statement and Kellerman's words
as well.
And Nellie HEARD Jackie Kennedy's comments about the brains in her
hands, plus other words spoken by the First Lady. And Nellie recalls
her husband saying "Oh, no, no, no", too.
Amazing, isn't it, that this theory has the two ladies being able to
hear everybody in the car, it seems, EXCEPT John F. Kennedy?
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CTer -- What about the Mentesana film? What rifle was that? That was
not Oswald's {Carcano rifle} in the Mentesana film!
DVP -- You can't rely on Robert Groden's narration re. the brief and
completely-inconclusive E.C. Mentesana film.
Groden narrates over the top of the Mentesana film on his DVD/Video --
"The Mentesana film is important because it shows the discovery of a
second rifle being found in the Depository."
Now, upon looking at the very brief film in question, can anyone tell
me exactly HOW this very short glimpse of about two-thirds (or so) of
the barrel of a rifle amongst a group of policemen is in any way PROOF
that a "second rifle" was found in the Book Depository Building on
11/22/63?
That rifle is either Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano or is a rifle
belonging to the DPD (they had lots of rifles at the ready in Dealey
Plaza that day, remember).
But I certainly can't tell exactly what brand of rifle can be seen in
the Mentesana film. That brief glance of a rifle in that film in no way
proves conspiracy.
Plus: Anyone who puts any faith in Mr. Groden's narration has a major
problem with any type of "Frame The Lone Patsy" theory as well. Because
why on Earth would these boob plotters leave TWO rifles to be found in
the TSBD? Was Oswald supposedly using TWO guns to shoot Kennedy?
As with most JFK conspiracy theories -- it makes no sense.
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CTer -- The false "Secret Service Agents" waiting there {on the Grassy
Knoll in Dealey Plaza} with false ID's in order to redirect any
problems....as the evidence shows.
DVP -- As if those "False SS Agents" are going to be of any use when it
comes to stopping the "real truth" from coming out within minutes of
the shooting should all (or ANY) of the non-Oswald gunmen who were
supposedly firing away at JFK's body actually hit the President (or
anybody else) with bullets from any "non-Oswald" gun.
A few "fake agents" are supposed to "re-direct" all of the ballistics
evidence from all of those non-LHO guns back into ONLY Oswald's Carcano
rifle?? In a word....how?
That conspiracy-tinged argument is especially inept and ineffectual
when you consider what COULD have occurred to JFK's body, per most
CT-Kooks --- i.e., what if ALL of the non-Oswald bullets had struck JFK
from obvious non-TSBD locations that would have been IMMEDIATELY AND
IRREVERSIBLY APPARENT TO PARKLAND HOSPITAL PERSONNEL?
How could even an army of "fake agents" and after-the-shooting "Control
All The Evidence" operatives be able to handle THAT little eventuality?
(Which is certainly an eventuality that should have been anticipated by
these ace "plotters" prior to actually green-lighting such a
multi-shooter, single-patsy plan on 11/22/63. Correct?)
Unless, for some idiotic reason, these plotters EXPECTED all of the
non-Oswald bullets, fired from various guns located at both front and
rear (per most kook versions of the assassination), to totally miss the
one slow-moving target. And if that were the case, why even bother
shooting from those localities in the first place? Just for the sheer
sport of it?*
* = See how idiotic the "Patsy Plot" looks from any kind of
common-sense perspective?
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CTer -- You can't find a FMJ bullet which has performed in such a
manner {with respect to the JFK head shot and resulting fragmentation},
outside your wildest LN dreams.
DVP -- Why should I have to find another one? There's ample evidence
(the ONLY evidence in fact) to know that just one bullet hit JFK in the
head (from the REAR). And a bullet fired from Oswald's rifle did this
damage, based on the one fragment that came out of JFK's head that was
conclusively linked to Warren Commission Exhibit #139 (aka: Lee Harvey
Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano Rifle, #C2766).
The "snowstorm of lead fragments" argument is nothing but a conspiracy
dance for the amusement of you kooks in the "Anyone Except Lee Harvey
Oswald" club.
We are also not likely to ever find a WCC/MC bullet that looks exactly
like CE399 after doing what 399 did on 11/22/63. That's fairly obvious.
But let me ask this -- Has there EVER been a single criminal case in
the history of criminal court cases that has made it a mandatory
requirement for a murder to be re-created with 100% perfect precision
in order to convince a jury the defendant was guilty of said crime?
The answer, of course, is -- No way, no how.
I can just imagine how former Deputy D.A. Vince Bugliosi would rip
apart your CT dance re. the "snowstorm of particles".
He'd probably say something similar to this......
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury -- This defense argument about a
"snowstorm" of lead particles in JFK's head being "impossible" if only
Oswald's rifle and Oswald's 6.5-millimeter fully-jacketed bullets were
involved in the crime is just simply a preposterous argument.
It is merely yet another instance (among dozens, if not hundreds) of
this despicable defense team of CT-Kooks over here attempting to
isolate a particular piece of evidence relating to the JFK murder case.
And then what do these kooks do? Yes, you guessed it -- they will just
leave this isolated item laying there all alone out in 'perceived CT
land' without bothering to put it back into the big picture surrounding
this case.
And then these defense lawyers, bent on having anyone except Lee Oswald
and Lee Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle up in that window, will
refuse...as they always refuse to do in these isolated instances...to
examine this item in combination with all the other evidence in the
case. Evidence which undeniably, ladies and gentlemen, is telling the
world that Lee Harvey Oswald fired all of the shots that hit President
Kennedy!
Other evidence such as -- One and only ONE bullet entry hole on JFK's
head, which was in the REAR of his head .... and a bullet fragment from
JFK's head that came from Oswald's gun .... and the fact that the
overwhelming majority of the evidence in this case says that only three
shots were fired on November 22nd .... and that all three of those
shots almost CERTAINLY came from the Sniper's Nest on the sixth floor
of the Texas School Book Depository Building .... with that Sniper's
Nest being strewn with so much 'Oswald Was Here' evidence that only an
absolute MORON (or a rabid conspiracy theorist, take your pick) would
choose to deny the fact that that man sitting there--Lee Harvey
Oswald--fired the bullets that killed John Fitzgerald Kennedy on
November 22nd, 1963!
Perry (Kook version)....Your witness."