Bay of Pigs, Cuba, April 15, 1961 - JFK's Flopperrroooo !
cdddraftsman
execution to make it worse; did not keep commitments he had made,
especially for airstrikes; made public statements that the US would
not support insurrection in Cuba which discouraged resistance to
Castro, blamed others for its failure and lied to the public about it.
JFK weakened the original plan to make it virtually certain to fail
(both of the original CIA planners Esterline and Hawkins threatened to
resign over the changes). JFK was directly told by Joint Chiefs of
Staff Chairman Lemnitzer that the invasion "would have very little
chance of success." The Joint Chiefs in a memorandum of January 27,
1961 wrote "The current Political-Para-Military Plan does not assure
the accomplishment of the above objective nor has there been detailed
follow-up planning to exploit that plan if it succeeds or for any
direct action that might be required if the plan is found to be
inadequate." JFK went ahead with the plan, according to Arthur
Schlesinger, to impress Eisenhower and Kruschev. RFK led the cover-up
to protect the president with a shield of lies that he had received
bad advice and really didn't know much about it. Esterline says now
"What I find so unacceptable is how cavalier they (the Kennedys) were
in taking nearly 2,000 people and putting them out as animal bait."
Four Americans and 114* CIA-trained Cubans were killed and 1,189 were
captured. JFK ordered 120 million in aid to his close friend Castro ,
who was bent on our destruction , to get back Cuban hostages who were
of no value to the US but did rabble rouse other Cuban's into acts
terrorism .
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tl
* Some estimates go as high as 5000 !
Walt
JFK interfered with the military operation both in planning and
execution to make it worse; did not keep commitments he had made,
especially for airstrikes; made public statements that the US would
not support insurrection in Cuba which discouraged resistance to
Castro, blamed others for its failure and lied to the public about it.
....... so we murdered him
Tom Lowery... aka cdddraftsman
Gil Jesus
Jer....
How do you get 5,000 casualties from a force of "2,000 people" ?
Did some of them die more than once ?
cdddraftsman
Very curious question from someone who thinks JFK was killed in many
different ways ?
tl
Ed Dolan
Yes Esterline and Black Jack Hawkins TRIED to resign, visiting Bissell
on a Sunday morning to tell him the operation would fail and they
wanted no part of it. Bissell talked them into staying. Black Jack
told Bissell without Air Support it couldn't succeed, Bissell said he
would check with JFK, Supposedly he did telling JFK air support
wasn't necessary, and ten told Black Jack the air would be there.
Black Jack told me bissell lied to him and to JFK. Bissell noted in
his oral history at the JFK library that Black Jack told him it would
fail without the air support.
I was surprised that Black Jack had become a colonel and was assigned
to such an operation. It was almost like the Marines wanted to be rid
of him.
I think the operation would have had a chance if instead of Army
personell being in charge of loading the ships, there was a Marine TQM
who would see they were combat loaded. In talking with some of those
involved but not on site there was some agreement with this.
s/f Dolan
robcap...@netscape.com
More silliness from CD Dudsman. The WHOLE plan was conceived during
the Eisenhower-Nixon adminitstration and the CIA was in charge of the
operation so how do you blame JFK for its failure? More to the point,
why do you blame JFK for not buckling to the whims of the CIA who
planned for the mission to fail ahead of time? They said this
themselves as finally the internal report of the mission was found (25
copies were made and all but one or two were destroyed) and it graded
the CIA and the military very poorly. The goal of the mission was
INVASION, nothing short of that would have been successful in the
minds of CIA, the military and the Cuban exiles. They were furious
that JFK did not fall for this and did not invade when the1,500 exiles
failed (big shocker there since Castro had 200,000 men).
As for the air cover it was a law that prohibited this action as NO
COVERT operation, and this sure as heck was one, allowed the President
the authority to use the military in support of it. You see CD
Dudsman, that would constitute an act of war and the President needs
the Congress to approve this action. That is why the CIA used non-
marked aircraft in Cambodia for all those years as they was NO
Congressional approval for military forces there until the very bad
LBJ took over and made up a phony incident.
You really should read more.
Gil Jesus
>On Jul 4, 7:40 am, cdddraftsman <cdddrafts...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> JFK interfered with the military operation both in planning and
>> execution
Duhhh....how does the President of the United States "interfere" with
a military operation when he is "Commander-In-Chief" of the Armed
Forces ? Are you suggesting that as Commander-In-Chief he does NOT
have the final approval of all military planning ?
Walt
Excellent point Gil.... The argument that JFK was "interfering" with
a CIA operation suggests that the CIA thought that JFK was subordinate
to them.
It's no wonder that spooks like cdddraftsman wanted JFK murdered to
pay for their failures. After they murdered JFK then they made sure
that Lee Oswald paid for their crime.... LBJ set up a "Blue Ribbon
Committee" to make sure that " the American public believed that
Oswald was the lone assassin and he had no accomplices"
cdddraftsman
Indeed as CIC JFK blew it long before the ships left harbor . He as
CIC should of called for a force comparison of what it would of took
in the way of US forces to acheive the same goals of what this tiny
force was expected to do . His inexperience showed to a great extent
here , something that a person like Nixon wouldn't of had a problem
with .
Boo whoooo to those who try to exonerate one of JFK's biggest belly
flops !
tl
Walt
You really need to study the history of the BOP. You have some kinda
distorted view about who was responsible for the fiasco. Although
JFK publicly took the blame because it happened on his watch and he
was CIC, he really had little to do with the "belly flop". The CIA
was out of control and were bent on kickin Castro out of cuba. The
Mafia considered Cuba their "sandbox" and Castro had seized all of
their casinos and hotels, when he ran Batista out of Cuba in 1959. The
mob thought that Nixon was a "shoo in" to be elected and after he was
elected he would help them reclaim their "goldmine" in the Carribean.
Had Nixon won the election he would have used US military to cover the
landing of the Cuban exiles. That is what the plan called for, but
JFK wouldn't allow any US troops to be involved in any active role in
the invasion. The CIA KNEW that JFK would not allow any US military
forces to have any active role in the plan, but thought that they
could trick him into "sending in the Marines" by having a contingent
of Cuban exiles attack the US Navy's base at Guantanamo, and killing a
few American Marines.
Nice guys, those CIA creeps......
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tomnln
The Failure at the B O P was due Solely to the CIA.
"Ed Dolan" <74030...@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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cdddraftsman
> According to the CIA's Inspector General's Report;
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> The Failure at the B O P was due Solely to the CIA.
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Bullshit JFK was CIC of all armed forces !
Period
Coot Farts !
He took the blame because he was responsible !
End of story !
tl