THE RIFLE AND THE PAPER BAG
David Von Pein
Subject: Bag
Date: 5/8/2009 3:04:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: David Emerling
To: David Von Pein
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Didn't we recently have a brief exchange about the bag that Oswald's
rifle was wrapped in?
I ran across the following in the book "Marina and Lee" (by Priscilla
McMillan) where she is describing the scene when Ruth Paine came down
to New Orleans to pick up Marina and take he back to Dallas to have
her baby. Unbeknown to Ruth, Lee was planning a trip to Mexico to
visit the Cuban Embassy. Lee was loading up Ruth's car with their
possessions.
(p. 462:)
"What she (Ruth) did not know was that among the items he (Lee)
was loading with such care in her car was, almost certainly, his
rifle, dismantled, wrapped in brown paper and a blanket, and tied up
in heavy string. Somehow he led the Paines to understand that it was
"camping equipment"."
Her citation for this is Michael Paine's testimony.
Interesting.
It seems like speculation, however. But, it does seem somewhat
reasonable as Lee was obsessed with concealing this from the Paines. I
can see where he might have added the extra precaution of wrapping it
in paper.
David Emerling
Memphis, TN
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Subject: The Rifle And The Paper Bag
Date: 5/8/2009 3:26:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: David Von Pein
To: David Emerling
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Interesting. But I can't possibly see how Priscilla McMillan reached
that conclusion about the rifle already being wrapped in brown paper
in September based on Michael Paine's testimony. But it could explain
why Vincent Bugliosi put that very same thing in his book, too. Vince
does utilize McMillan's book "Marina And Lee" heavily as a source at
various points in "Reclaiming History".
I wrote an Internet post on October 15, 2007 (linked below), which
touches on that very subject about the paper bag, including citations
from Mr. Paine's Warren Commission testimony.....
WESLEY LIEBELER -- "When you moved the sacks, the blanket, the package
that was wrapped in the blanket in your garage, were you able to
determine whether or not the object inside the sack was also wrapped
in paper?"
MICHAEL PAINE -- "I would have said that it was not. When we practiced
wrapping that rifle yesterday, I would have guessed that any paper
around the barrel in there, which I could feel with some clarity,
would have crinkled."
LIEBELER -- "And to your recollection there was no crinkling in the
package wrapped with the blanket?"
PAINE -- "Yes. It was a very quiet package."
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7c303602bdc13b3c
Thank you, David E., for that tidbit of info from McMillan's book.
DVP
robc...@netscape.com
In case anyone was confused Priscilla McMillan was CIA!!!! She is the
one that visited Marina who was under lock down at her hotel and then
the bus tickets LHO allegedly used to go to Mexico City were suddenly
"found" just two weeks before the WC's final report came out. Marina
was sequestered at the time and NO ONE was allowed to see here,
including her husbands's lawyer - Mark Lane, but good ole CIA rep
McMillian got in and presto-change O -- the tickets appeared.
Nice work for telling us how Bugman used this CIA source "heavily"
Dave!!! LOL!!
bigdog
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Mark Lane was never Oswald's lawyer. Lane tried to inject himself into
the case but Oswald wanted no part of him. He asked for John Abt,
chief counsel to the American Communist Party. From day one, Lane
exploited the assassination for no other reason than to make a name
for himself. Unfortunately, he succeeded in that. Lane was never more
than a charlatan.
robc...@netscape.com
BigCon needs to learn the case better. True, while LHO was alive he
was NOT allowed to have an attorney, but Mark Lane was hired by
Margueritte Oswald AFTER LHO was gunned down like a dog while in DPD
custody.
> Lane tried to inject himself into
> the case but Oswald wanted no part of him.
This is a lie as Mark Lane never sought contact with LHO. He was
contacted after LHO was dead by his mother.
> He asked for John Abt,
> chief counsel to the American Communist Party.
Exactly who he was told to ask for by his handlers.
> From day one, Lane
> exploited the assassination for no other reason than to make a name
> for himself. Unfortunately, he succeeded in that. Lane was never more
> than a charlatan.
IF showing how the WC lied on many,.many occassions about their own
evidence and what it meant equals "explotation" in your book, I feel
bad for you BigCon.
bigdog
bullshit. You have absolutely no evidence that Oswald was told to do
anything. You have absolutely no evidence that Oswald had any
handlers. If he had any handlers, how the fuck could they have
contacted him while in police custody. It is bullshit like this that
proves nothing more but how despicably dishonest you fucking assholes
are.
You are nothing but a fucking liar. You refered to Lane as Oswald's
lawyer. When called on this outright lie, you try to cover you sorry
ass by saying he was Margueritte's lawyer. Oswald had no relationship
with Lane. Lane was never his lawyer. Any relationship he established
with Oswald's mother after his death in no way would make him Oswald's
lawyer. You got caught in another of your long line of fucking lies
and you tried to bullshit your way out of it. You pieces of shit can't
make your case honestly so you must resort to the tactic of the Big
Lie. It's all you can do because you know the truth is your enemy.
> > From day one, Lane
> > exploited the assassination for no other reason than to make a name
> > for himself. Unfortunately, he succeeded in that. Lane was never more
> > than a charlatan.
>
> IF showing how the WC lied on many,.many occassions about their own
> evidence and what it meant equals "explotation" in your book, I feel
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robc...@netscape.com
I'm NOT Gil BigCon and you really should watch your dirty language!
Using curse words like this ONLY shows your lack of education.
> You made this up. This is total
> bullshit.
ONLY to a con artist like you.
> You have absolutely no evidence that Oswald was told to do
> anything.
Come on, there is NO evidence linking LHO to any communist parties in
the whole USA, so why would he ask for a lawyer with a known communist
slant? He was told to do so, that is why.
> You have absolutely no evidence that Oswald had any
> handlers.
You better really start reading the ties and connections folks like
DeMohrenschildt, Ruth Paine, Mike Paine, Ruby, Ferrie and others had
before you claim there is NO evidence for him having handlers.
Please.
> If he had any handlers, how the fuck could they have
> contacted him while in police custody.
Easily, but I am NOT claiming they did, I am saying he was told ahead
of time what to do in a situation like that. How aobut the several
attempts LHO made to Ruth Paine? LHO was NO fan of Ruth Paine
according to her yet he tried to call her twice with no luck.
> It is bullshit like this that
> proves nothing more but how despicably dishonest you fucking assholes
> are.
The ONLY one being shown to be dishonest is YOU BigCon.
> You are nothing but a fucking liar.
What a potty mouth! As for lying, you are the liar BigCon when you
denied Mark Lane was ever LHO's attorney.
>You refered to Lane as Oswald's
> lawyer.
He was! He was hired by LHO's mom after he was dead. Look it up, it
is a FACT.
> When called on this outright lie, you try to cover you sorry
> ass by saying he was Margueritte's lawyer.
You are lying again BigCon, I never said he was Margueritte's lawyer,
I said he was hired by her to represent her dead son's interests with
the WC.
> Oswald had no relationship
> with Lane.
I never said he did, I said he was his lawyer after he was dead.
Learn to read and comprehend better instead of using dirty words all
the time.
> Lane was never his lawyer.
You're a liar as he was certainly his lawyer before the WC. This is
how Lane had so much knowledge for his great book "Rush To Judgement."
> Any relationship he established
> with Oswald's mother after his death in no way would make him Oswald's
> lawyer.
You are totally stupid BigCon, as he was hired to protect LHO's
interests, thus he was his lawyer. It was NOT Lane's fault the man
was gunned down like a dog while in DPD custody.
> You got caught in another of your long line of fucking lies
> and you tried to bullshit your way out of it.
You are the ONLY one shoveling out bulls**t BigCon.
>You pieces of shit can't
> make your case honestly so you must resort to the tactic of the Big
> Lie. It's all you can do because you know the truth is your enemy.
LOL!! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, huh? BigCon
SUPPORTS the Big LIE everyday!
> > > From day one, Lane
> > > exploited the assassination for no other reason than to make a name
> > > for himself. Unfortunately, he succeeded in that. Lane was never more
> > > than a charlatan.
>
> > IF showing how the WC lied on many,.many occassions about their own
> > evidence and what it meant equals "explotation" in your book, I feel
> > bad for you BigCon.- Hide quoted text -
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