Re: THE JFK ASSASSINATION: AS IT HAPPENED
David Von Pein
David Von Pein
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>>> "Martin...I surely do not doubt your expertise." <<<
I sure do. Martin has no "expertise" when it comes to trying to debunk
the SBT. Nor do any other members of the popular anti-SBT Brigade.
In short, there's no good reason to doubt BOTH the WC and the HSCA on
their individual (and collective) findings re. the SBT.
Plus, to any reasonable person who has looked at the evidence, the
angles, the Z-Film (etc.), the SBT works and is obviously true. (As
Vince Bugliosi says, and he's right -- the SBT is so obvious "a child
could author it").
And the obviousness of the SBT becomes even more obvious when
considering the LACK of all other bullets that SHOULD be present if
the SBT is wrong.
The anti-SBT brigade needs THREE bullets to just vanish off the
planet. Yes, three. Because I'm willing to bet that nearly every
conspiracist in here believes the following two things are true:
1.) JFK's throat wound was an entry wound.
2.) CE399 never touched either victim.
And yet (evidently) believing in the "Three Vanishing Bullets" theory
is supposedly a more-reasonable thing to believe than is the SBT.
As more and more time goes by, and as more and more convincing tests
are produced that verify the factual nature of the Single-Bullet
Theory (e.g., Dale Myers' excellent computer animation work and the
2004 Discovery Channel SBT re-creation in "JFK: Beyond The Magic
Bullet"), it's my personal opinion that conspiracy theorists totally
ignore the validity of the SBT merely because they think it's expected
of them. They wouldn't be good "CTers" if they dared put any faith in
anything Mr. Specter or Mr. Redlich or Mr. Belin said. So they are
forced to discount the SBT as pure junk out of sheer habit.
But it certainly isn't out of necessity that the CTers scoff at the
SBT. Not at all. For, the CTers can still pretend they see J.D. Tippit
or some other "Badge Man" firing a shot from the Grassy Knoll...even
WITH the SBT intact.
Kinda makes you want to go out on the porch and scream your lungs out
in frustration, doesn't it Paul? (Hopefully, the neighbors won't
mind.)
Gil Jesus
> In short, there's no good reason to doubt BOTH the WC and the HSCA on
> their individual (and collective) findings re. the SBT.
RRRRREEEEEEAAAAALLLLLLLLYYYYY ?????
Dallas Police Sgt. reacts to SBT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkIxw1BDMNY
Destroying the Single Bullet Theory - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuzWy00JC6s
Destroying the Single Bullet Theory - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nCf3C7R8dg
Destroying the Single Bullet Theory - Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-0Hf5L2yXQ
Destroying the Single Bullet Theory - Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-ViRMc29W0
Destroying the Single Bullet Theory - Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk4QkyDdBMw
Destroying the Single Bullet Theory - Part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMttd8gHRss
The 1964 wounds Ballistics Test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgzjW4gdMaQ
Holland: Same bullet did not hit both men
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P21fB0T2kVI
Wecht slams SBT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQLQEYWNOiE
The Timing Problem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY5oCnw1BII
The Ballistics Test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV5d4p4FKsY
Mack on SBT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u56m2m3eH0
Connally doc: CE399 didn't create wounds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnawDAp_zKM
Was CE 399 found on Connally's stretcher ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA68-rlXVIY
Stone's JFK: The foolishness of the SBT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMsPq7gQCrk
MORE:
bigdog
> On Aug 19, 4:03 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > In short, there's no good reason to doubt BOTH the WC and the HSCA on
> > their individual (and collective) findings re. the SBT.
>
> RRRRREEEEEEAAAAALLLLLLLLYYYYY ?????
>
>
> Destroying the Single Bullet Theory - Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuzWy00JC6s
>
> Destroying the Single Bullet Theory - Part 2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nCf3C7R8dg
>
> Destroying the Single Bullet Theory - Part 3http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-0Hf5L2yXQ
>
> Destroying the Single Bullet Theory - Part 4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-ViRMc29W0
>
> Destroying the Single Bullet Theory - Part 5http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk4QkyDdBMw
>
> Destroying the Single Bullet Theory - Part 6http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMttd8gHRss
>
> The 1964 wounds Ballistics Testhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgzjW4gdMaQ
>
> Holland: Same bullet did not hit both menhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P21fB0T2kVI
>
> Wecht slams SBThttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQLQEYWNOiE
>
> The Timing Problemhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY5oCnw1BII
>
> The Ballistics Testhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV5d4p4FKsY
>
>
> Connally doc: CE399 didn't create woundshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnawDAp_zKM
>
> Was CE 399 found on Connally's stretcher ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA68-rlXVIY
>
> Stone's JFK: The foolishness of the SBThttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMsPq7gQCrk
>
> MORE:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/GJJdude
You whack jobs have been trying to destroy the SBT for 45 years and
you haven't made a dent in it. It's like watching an angry mob
throwing rocks at a tank. You make a lot of noise but you aren't going
to hurt it. The SBT was rock solid when presented to the public 45
years ago. It is rock solid today. It will be rock solid 45 years from
now. There's nothing you assholes can do about that. The only why you
could ever undermine the SBT is by presenting a more compelling
alternative that is consistent with the evidence. That's something
none of you has ever done. You're such a lame ass, Chico, you won't
even try.
Steve
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hey Gil,
Save me some time and just tell me which of the above-listed You Tube
videos reveals where the three missing bullets went. That is the
first issue I want to see resolved.
Thanks in advance,
Steve
tomnln
"Gil Jesus" <gjj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Steve
>
> news:d597ce40-e118-443a...@c14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 19, 4:03 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > In short, there's no good reason to doubt BOTH the WC and the HSCA on
> > their individual (and collective) findings re. the SBT.
>
> RRRRREEEEEEAAAAALLLLLLLLYYYYY ?????
>
>
> Destroying the Single Bullet Theory - Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuzWy00JC6s
>
> Destroying the Single Bullet Theory - Part 2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nCf3C7R8dg
>
> Destroying the Single Bullet Theory - Part 3http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-0Hf5L2yXQ
>
> Destroying the Single Bullet Theory - Part 4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-ViRMc29W0
>
> Destroying the Single Bullet Theory - Part 5http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk4QkyDdBMw
>
> Destroying the Single Bullet Theory - Part 6http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMttd8gHRss
>
> The 1964 wounds Ballistics Testhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgzjW4gdMaQ
>
> Holland: Same bullet did not hit both menhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P21fB0T2kVI
>
> Wecht slams SBThttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQLQEYWNOiE
>
> The Timing Problemhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY5oCnw1BII
>
> The Ballistics Testhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV5d4p4FKsY
>
> Mack on SBThttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u56m2m3eH0
>
> Connally doc: CE399 didn't create woundshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnawDAp_zKM
>
> Was CE 399 found on Connally's stretcher ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA68-rlXVIY
>
> Stone's JFK: The foolishness of the SBThttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMsPq7gQCrk
>
> MORE:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/GJJdude
Well Tomnin,
Maybe YOU can fill in for Giltard since he seems to be shying away
from providing any answers. Why don't YOU tell us what happened to
the three missing bullets? You seem to have a lot of documents and
evidence on your website. Please direct me to the evidence of the
three missing bullets that must be accounted for if we are to
disbelieve the SBT.
Thanks in advance for providing such documentation,
Steve
Gil Jesus
First of all nitiwit, it's not my job to PROVE Oswald's innocence.
You IGNORAMUSES really can't get it through those cement heads of
yours that it's
INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, not the other way around.
Secondly, The Warren Commission never said there was no conspiracy.
They said they found no EVIDENCE of a conspiracy.
There's a difference.
The HSCA said that Kennedy was "probably" killed as a result fo a
conspiracy.
I don't believe that I ever said anything about three bullets,
but..........
It is not necessary for me to show where the three bullets went when
Kennedy was LURED to Texas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z54HP5WdGPY
It is not necessary for me to show where the three bullets went when
Kennedy didn't want to go to Texas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVZMOVEoC58
It is not necessary for me to show where the three bullets went when
Johnson blackmailed his way onto the 1960 ticket.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjlhz5mhQk4
It is not necessary for me to show where the three bullets went when
JFK was warned not to go to Dallas or "they" would kill him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7P6_GZPQqY
It is not necessary for me to show where the three bullets went when
the SS refused to move when the shooting started.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwx5lx1ow_w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVEqGb9tpDY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KnjSEEf3D4
There are a helluva lot more issues at indicate that a CONSPIRACY
existed to kill John Kennedy in Texas than just where the bullets
went.
Perhaps you should wake up and smell the yellow roses.
tomnln
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steve or, todd wrote;
Well Tomnin,
Maybe YOU can fill in for Giltard since he seems to be shying away
from providing any answers. Why don't YOU tell us what happened to
the three missing bullets? You seem to have a lot of documents and
evidence on your website. Please direct me to the evidence of the
three missing bullets that must be accounted for if we are to
disbelieve the SBT.
Thanks in advance for providing such documentation,
Steve
I write;
I suggest you look in the same place they put the Oswald note to Hosty.
I suggest you look in the same place they put the Missing fragments from
JBC's wrist.
I suggest you look in the same place they HID the Exec session transcript of
Russell's Dissent.
NOW, tell us WHY you keep Runnin from these???
http://whokilledjfk.net/CASE%20DISMISSED.htm
Gil Jesus
>
> There are a helluva lot more issues at indicate that a CONSPIRACY
> existed to kill John Kennedy in Texas than just where the bullets
> went.
>
> Perhaps you should wake up and smell the yellow roses.
These birdbrains make me laugh.
The President of the United States is murdered in the home state of
the Vice-President, who then appoints his best friend to investigate
the murder, then appoints a commission to "validate" his best friend's
investigation......AND THESE KNUCKLEHEADS ARE WILLING TO IGNORE ALL OF
THAT BECAUSE NO ONE HAS TOLD THEM WHERE THE BULLETS WENT ??????
ROFLMAO.
bigdog
>
> First of all nitiwit, it's not my job to PROVE Oswald's innocence.
>
> You IGNORAMUSES really can't get it through those cement heads of
> yours that it's
> INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, not the other way around.
>
been proven guilty.
> Secondly, The Warren Commission never said there was no conspiracy.
> They said they found no EVIDENCE of a conspiracy.
>
That's right, Girlie. The WC found no evidence of a conspiracy. You
haven't found any evidence of a conspiracy. No one has found any
evidence of a conspiracy. It's really starting to look like there's no
evidence of a conspiracy.
bigdog
>
> > There are a helluva lot more issues at indicate that a CONSPIRACY
> > existed to kill John Kennedy in Texas than just where the bullets
> > went.
>
> > Perhaps you should wake up and smell the yellow roses.
>
> These birdbrains make me laugh.
>
> The President of the United States is murdered in the home state of
> the Vice-President, who then appoints his best friend to investigate
> the murder, then appoints a commission to "validate" his best friend's
> investigation......AND THESE KNUCKLEHEADS ARE WILLING TO IGNORE ALL OF
> THAT BECAUSE NO ONE HAS TOLD THEM WHERE THE BULLETS WENT ??????
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Dipshit. LBJ didn't appoint Hoover. Calvin Coolidge did.
The WC was not appointed to validate anything. They were appointed to
find the truth. They utilized the FBI because they had the people who
were most qualified to examine the evidence. It would have been an
idiotic decision not to use the FBI investigators. The FBI was not the
sole investigating body. The SS and DPD also contributed to the
investigation and gathering of evidence. The Defense Department
provided the medical personnel for autopsy. For key pieces of
evidence, the WC often sought second opinions from various state and
local crime labs from around the country. But an asshole like you
chooses to believe all these various entities acted in concert to
frame poor little Lee Harvey Oswald. And you call us
knuckleheads???!!! Unfuckingbelievable!!!
Steve
>
> - Show quoted text -
So to summary Rosstards and Giltards position,
All forensic evidence supports the SBT, we can all agree on that
point, and they have no solid evidence to account for the bullets that
HAVE to be missing in order for the SBT theory to be disproven.
Just so we are all clear on their shaky position.
Thanks to you two idiots for clearing that up.
And incidentally to Giltards, "innocent until proven guilty" only
applies in a court of law you idiot, we are studying an historical
event and we are under no such obligation. We are not trying Oswald
or the Warren Commission in a court of law.
Thanks for establishing my original point--namely that neither of you
two idiots have any evidence to support your suspicions of multiple
gunmen.