MARSH
tomnln
I don't mind you correcting 1 of my typos.
BUT, don't you EVER get Personal with me with your insults Or,
I'll Bury so deep with insults that your Guardial Angel won't be able to
find you.
"Anthony Marsh" <ama...@quik.com> wrote in message
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> tomnln wrote:
>
>> Exactly how accurate was Boswell's "Face Sheet"?
>>
>> Specifically, his depiction of JFK's Back Wound 6" Below the Shoulders?
>>
>> If that isn't enough, how about JFK's personal Physician's Affidavit?
>>
>> "Level of the 6th Thorasic Vertibre"
>>
>>
>>
>
> I really don't know what to do about you. I don't mind your spelling
> errors. And I don't mind your typos. But I do mind when you pretend to
> quote someone and you get it wrong.
>
> In the death certificate Burkley said, "about the level of the third
> thoracic vertebra."
>
> 3rd, not 6th. Even Burkley was not stupid enough to think it was the 6th.
>
>
> BTW, the wound was not 6 inches below the shoulders. It was about 6 inches
> below the top of the shirt collar. The shirt collar was ABOVE the
> shoulders. That is the way that most men wear their shirts.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Brian Kelleher" <bkel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>> news:48hbj19bfl0f318jt...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On 24 Sep 2005 15:08:36 -0400, Anthony Marsh <ama...@quik.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Brian Kelleher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On 23 Sep 2005 12:49:45 -0400, "paul seaton"
>>>>><paulREMO...@paulseaton.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Brian Kelleher" <bkel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:qpu6j1d36a4l2r8i1...@4ax.com...
>>>>>>[..]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Paul, in your opinion does the lateral x-ray show loss of calvarion
>>>>>>>back to the lamdoid?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It shows FRAGMENTATION of the skull back to the lamboid (give or
>>>>>>take).
>>>>>>It shows actual LOSS of skull anterior to the 'cowlick'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And of course if the skull fragmentation did not go back at least so
>>>>>>>>far,
>>>>>>>>it would have been impossible to (surgically) remove the brain with
>>>>>>>>no
>>>>>>>>sawing of the skull. "it would be irresponsible and stupid to try to
>>>>>>>>remove the brain if so much skull were left," (Joe Riley)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Paul, in a standard autopsy brain removal procedure how much if any
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>the occiptial bone is removed (meausred in inches from the EOP) and
>>>>>>>the top?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/Dox/Dox.htm#brnrem
>>>>>>"After reflecting the temporalis muscle tie a string around the skull
>>>>>>about
>>>>>>1 inch above the imaginary line drawn between the inion, external
>>>>>>auditory
>>>>>>meatus, and the nasion. Mark this circumferential line with a pencil.
>>>>>>This
>>>>>>line indicates the proper level for cutting with the Stryker saw. A
>>>>>>cut
>>>>>>any
>>>>>>higher than this presents a problem in trying to get your fingers
>>>>>>under
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>temporal lobes of the brain."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The actual level of the cut recommended is shown here :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/Dox/vermont.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'll leave it to you to count the inches :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ok, looks about 2 inches above the EOP and an inch below the top of
>>>>>the lamdoid, assuming the skull is in the anatomic position which it
>>>>>appears to be. So there was a just a couple of extra inches of
>>>>>cavarium along the rear of the head in comparison to a standard
>>>>>autopsy. And there was a great deal more bone out on the right side
>>>>>along the temporal lobe than in a standard autopsy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Given the state of the top and right side of the president's head,
>>>>>>>don't you think it possible that Humes removed the brain through the
>>>>>>>right side?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brian, he has to *disconnect* the brain from the tentorium. He cannot
>>>>>>possibly do this through the defect shown in the Dox drawing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>First of all it is possible that the explosive force of the bullet had
>>>>>already disconnected the brian from the tentorium.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Interesting idea. How does it accomplish this with the skull in that
>>>>area being intact at that point in that area so low in the head, and the
>>>>brain being intact in that area? Has anyone considered the idea that the
>>>>moving of the body on and off the plane could be the mechanism?
>>>
>>>It seems to me that all it would take is enough upward/torward movement
>>>of
>>>the brain as a whole. Larry sturdivan seems to believe that tentorium
>>>tore
>>>right off the occiptal bone since I see no sign of a severed tentorium
>>>along the margins of what he is interpeting to be the canal for the right
>>>lateral sinus.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Second, my understanding it that in the routine autopsy the tentorium
>>>>>is accessed from the underside of the brain by putting ones fingers
>>>>>under the temproal lobes and lifting it up not the from the rear.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thridly, I am not aware of anyone who claims Humes removed the brain
>>>>>through the defect shown in the Dox drawing. That defect represents
>>>>>the condition of the skull pre-autopsy/scalp reflection. Humes
>>>>>specifically stated that he was able to remove the brain without
>>>>>sawing because when he tried to reflect the scalp, numerous pieces of
>>>>>bone came loose with it. According to Finck, Humes told hime that the
>>>>>loose pieces came off the top of the head and off the right side of
>>>>>the head. We know from the Z-film and some of the autopsy photos that
>>>>>the entire right lateral parietal bone was loose all the way down to
>>>>>temporal bone. There is also evidence that a good deal of the
>>>>>remaining frontal bone came loose and that a 10 cm fragment on the
>>>>>top left side came loose.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Pretty damn close. Can you figure out where a 10 cm fragment would have
>>>>been located? Can you diagram it?
>>>
>>>I will simply refer you here to Boswell's face sheet drawing and
>>>associated ARRB testimony. A 10 mm fragment is also referenced in the
>>>autopsy report. Based on Boswell rough sketch, this piece comprises
>>>approx
>>>the entire left side of the vertex.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>If you are saying that the Dox drawing shows too much of the rear
>>>>>skull intact to remove the brain, you are dead wrong. You do not need
>>>>>to remove any occiptal bone to remove the brain.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Here's a diagram :
>>>>>>http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/Dox/tentorium.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The occiptal bone is not in the way if that is what you are trying to
>>>>>demonstrate here.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Even granting this ( which is impossible) , the brain is simply too
>>>>>>big
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>yank out through that hole, without ripping it to shreds.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You seem to be avoiding the question.
>>>>>
>>>>>Lets try again. Do you think that Humes could have removed the brain
>>>>>through the right side assuming the following: (1) the occipital bone
>>>>>was completely intact; (2) the posterior parietal bone was intact to
>>>>>within an inch of the lamdoid; (3) the frontal bone was out to the
>>>>>hairline on the right side of the head; (4) the right pariental bone
>>>>>was out down to the junction of the temporal bone (5) most of the top
>>>>>of the left parietal bone was out?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Paul Seaton
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/Dox/Dox.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Anthony Marsh
> The Puzzle Palace http://www.boston.quik.com/amarsh
>
tomnln
In an Earlier post I addressed your condescending tone of voice.
You "REALLY NEED" to read it.
"Anthony Marsh" <ama...@quik.com> wrote in message
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> tomnln wrote:
>
>> MARSH;
>> READ whats written.
>>
>
> How many times do I have to tell you this? Just because you read something
> in a book does not make it a fact. There were not 4 frags never accounted
> for. There were many frags which were left in the head which are not
> recoverable. 2 fragments were removed and placed into evidence.
>
>> 2 frags that WERE accounted for.
>> 4 frags never accounted for.
>>
>
> That would be 6 frags total. Who said there were 6 frags total?
>
>>
>>
>> "Anthony Marsh" <ama...@quik.com> wrote in message
>> news:86fZe.589$j_3.281@trndny07...
>>
>>>tomnln wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:uuBYe.50329$Cc5.6975@lakeread06...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Denis David (Officer of the Day @ Bethesda when JFK's body was brought
>>>>>in)
>>>>>
>>>>>Agent asked for someone with security Clearance who could type.
>>>>>(Dennis) 3 or 4 frags taken from K's head wound. MORE than 1 whole
>>>>>bullet. Maybe not enough for 2 whole bullets, But, MORE than 1.
>>>>>
>>>>>Dennis typed the Receipt. WHERE IS IT???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Also, WHERE are the 4 fragments?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>There were not 4 fragments removed from the head. There were only 2
>>>fragments.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"David VP" <davev...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:1127361080.4...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Give me "Complete Control" over ALL the Evidence & ALL the Witnesses,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I can PROVE that "YOU" killed JFK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bull.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Such "Complete Control" over all the evidence in this case and over a
>>>>>>myriad of people (numbering in the HUNDREDS at least) is not possible
>>>>>>or plausible, and anyone with a grain of sense knows it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And that response doesn't answer the primary query of --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>WAS A MULTI-SHOOTER SINGLE-PATSY PLOT A **GOOD** PLAN FROM THE GET-GO?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>To put it another way --- Would YOU, or any CTer, "pre-plan" your own
>>>>>>"Let's Kill Kennedy And Blame It All On A Single Commie In A Book
>>>>>>Warehouse" the same way you think "those guys" did, with FRONTAL
>>>>>>SHOOTERS and tons of evidence in need of "planting"? (Good luck to you
>>>>>>via such a scheme.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Even if a MIRACLE occurred and somehow all the non-SN bullets
>>>>>>magically
>>>>>>disappeared and/or were never eyeballed by a single non-plotter --
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>still would not make any multi-shooter Patsy Plot any WISER from a
>>>>>>pre-11/22 POV.
tomnln
I'm a guy who wants More than Claims. (nature I guess)
Please advise where I can find Proof of said Claims?
"Anthony Marsh" <ama...@quik.com> wrote in message
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> gary...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Anthony Marsh wrote:
>>
>>>curtj...@webtv.net wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Don Roberdeau wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Good Day....
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/output/2005/09/20/story7560044t0.shtm
>>>>>
>>>>><QUOTE>
>>>>>
>>>>>20 September 2005
>>>>>
>>>>>Dundee author's Kennedy theory
>>>>>
>>>>>A Dundee author's new book on the assassination of John F Kennedy
>>>>>includes a document which may prove the CIA trained Lee Harvey Oswald.
>>>>>
>>>>>Pat Kelly believes rogue elements in the CIA and disheartened Cubans
>>>>>were responsible for the killing and believes that at least four
>>>>>marksmen were involved in the assassination.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mr Kelly said it has taken him many years to complete and the most
>>>>>interesting aspect of the book is the "Second Oswald" theory.
>>>>>
>>>>>Included in the book is a CIA report obtained by Mr Kelly which, if
>>>>>authentic, proves Lee Harvey Oswald worked for the Office of Naval
>>>>>Intelligence and was trained by the CIA.
>>>>>
>>>>>The author will be signing copies of his book, "Just a Patsy", at
>>>>>Ottakar's in Dundee at 5pm on Wednesday.
>>>>>
>>>>>He said, "The Kennedy assassination goes right to the heart of the
>>>>>American government, and I believe it is easier to cover it up rather
>>>>>than face the facts and the truth of what really happened on November
>>>>>22, 1963.
>>>>>
>>>>>"It has taken many years to write and get to this stage and there's
>>>>>a lot of information left out, such as whom I believed were the killers
>>>>>and their assistants in the conspiracy.
>>>>>
>>>>>"I couldn't publish their names but some were of Cuban extract.
>>>>>
>>>>>"I believe, like many others, that President Lyndon B Johnson gained
>>>>>the most from the assassination.
>>>>>
>>>>>"He controlled the investigation into Kennedy's death. It must be
>>>>>said that some disaffected Cuban mercenaries played a major part in the
>>>>>assassination. Strangely enough, a fingerprint of Johnson's aide, a
>>>>>man by the name of Mac Wallace, was found on a box on the sixth floor
>>>>>where officially the shots were fired at Kennedy.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Wallace did not work in the Texas School Book Depository so how did
>>>>>it get there?"
>>>>>
>>>>>Mr Kelly said there have been many books written about the JFK
>>>>>assassination, however, most are very hard to come by in this country.
>>>>>
>>>>>"My book is probably the most up-to-date that most people in the city
>>>>>will read," he said.
>>>>>
>>>>>"No JFK researcher would claim their book is better than others -
>>>>>that's not how the research community works.
>>>>>
>>>>>"We share information and try to get it into the open to let the
>>>>>public see what really went on and how the US government was part of
>>>>>the JFK cover-up.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Its over 40 years since the assassination of Kennedy and certain
>>>>>high-ranking officials still want to hide the true facts of what
>>>>>happened from the public.
>>>>>
>>>>>"However, the public are not fooled by cover-ups and lies and they
>>>>>know that something was amiss in the Kennedy assassination.
>>>>>
>>>>>"The public want to know the truth and the facts. Hopefully my book
>>>>>goes part of the way.
>>>>>
>>>>>"I hope it helps to understand how and why the conspirators used Lee
>>>>>Harvey Oswald for their own political gains, and he was as he said,
>>>>>"Just A Patsy," as the book title suggests."
>>>>>
>>>>><END QUOTE>
>>>>>
>>>>>Don Roberdeau
>>>>>U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, "Big John," plank walker
>>>>>Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
>>>>>http://members.aol.com/DRoberdeau/JFK/DP.jpg
>>>>>http://members.aol.com/DRoberdeau/JFK/ROSEwillisANNOUNCEMENT.html
>>>>>http://hometown.aol.com/DRoberdeau
>>>>>
>>>>>T ogether
>>>>>E veryone
>>>>>A chieves
>>>>>M ore
>>>>>
>>>>>"(D)rehm (sic) seemed to think the shots came from in FRONT OF or
>>>>>BESIDE the President." (my EMPHASIS)
>>>>>
>>>>>----CHARLES F. BREHM, a gunfire-battle experienced, WWII D-day, United
>>>>>States Army Ranger veteran, quoted just minutes after the attack while
>>>>>he is still standing within Dealey Plaza ("Dallas Times Herald,"
>>>>>11-22-63, final edition)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It sound like a very interesting book there, Mr. Roberdeau. Just for
>>>>the
>>>>heck of it, I googled..'Oswald Trained by the CIA' and got this document
>>>>dated from March 3, 1964..Doc # CO-2-34.030 from the Director of the
>>>>CIA,
>>>>John McCone in attention to James Rowley of the Secret Service. The
>>>>U.S.
>>>>Government Memorandum stated in part:
>>>>
>>>
>>>I'm confused by this. Why are you bring this up now? Are you referring to
>>>the same document which we all discussed many months ago and which we all
>>>pointed out is a FAKE? You mean THAT document? If so, why do you bring it
>>>up again? Should we likewise continue every month to discuss the driver
>>>did it theory?
>>
>>
>> It certainly sounds like the same document, that is the McCone-Rowley
>> memo. As the one who first posted this document on the internet--while
>> pointing out that I was extremely skeptical as to its authenticity--I
>> have noticed that it continutes to pop up all over the place. I would
>> not agree that it has been PROVEN to be a fake, although I think it
>> most likely is. Actually the only researcher from this group to attempt
>> any actual research on this document was Peter Whitmey, who contacted
>> both me and the former tabloid writer who originally provided me with
>> the document. I have decided to put everything I can find on this
>> document onto a website: http://mccone-rowley.blogspot.com It will take
>> me a few weeks to get it all together.
>>
>
> It has been proven to be a fake.
>
>>
>>
>>>>"Oswald subject was trained by this agency, under the cover of the ONI,
>>>>for Soviet assignments. During preliminary training, in 1957, subject
>>>>was
>>>>active in serial resonaissance of mainland China, and maintained a
>>>>security clearance up to the "confidential" level. His military records
>>>>during this period are open to your agency and I have directed they be
>>>>forwarded to the Commission."
>>>>
>>>>"Subject received additional indoctrination at our own ????? Peary site
>>>>from September 8, to October 17, 1958 and participated in a few
>>>>relatively
>>>>minor assignments until arrangements were made for his entry into the
>>>>Soviet Union in 1959. While in the Soviet Union, he was on special
>>>>assignment in the area of Minsk. It would not be advantageous at this
>>>>time to divulge the specifics of that assignment; however, if you wish
>>>>this information, it can..."
>>>>
>>>>The time that this request was made was in February of 1964.
>>>>
>>>>The document was photographed and put into the site I retrieved from
>>>>Google and was not apparently just copied.
>>>>
>>>>CJ
Anthony Marsh
> MARSH;
>
> I don't mind you correcting 1 of my typos.
>
> BUT, don't you EVER get Personal with me with your insults Or,
> I'll Bury so deep with insults that your Guardial Angel won't be able to
> find you.
>
>
>
Even MORE bullshit.