Creating The Illusion That Oswald Ordered Rifle From Klein's
curtjester1
Mannlicher could have been ordered by Oswald, but that is not the end
of the matter. The matter must be that to say that he did order the
rifle must mean there was 'evidence' that he did. If he did not order
a "40 inch" M-C, then it must follow that the evidence to tie him to
it or any other rifle must have been fabricated or manufactured which
is high treason, cover-up in it's highest form. To do so and to fool
the public must have been tedious, well-discussed to create an
illusion to do so. I am just reprinting one of the articles I
published along those lines. Bottom line, the alleged money order
used didn't go through banking institutions that would have been
needed to create a viable paper trail. By that we know the
conspirators were pushing hard to get their way in the manufacturing
of the evidence they needed.
CJ
On with the Creating The Illusion publication:
Creating The Illusion That Oswald Purchased A
Rifle From Klein's
Six days after announcing that Oswald paid $12.78 for the rifle, *the
FBI changed their story* and said that he paid $19.95 for the rifle
with the scope already attached (plus $1.50 for postage).
NOTE: **The author does not know why the FBI changed their story.
It
may have been because Klein's bank records did not show a deposit
that
matched that amount.
In order to create the illusion that Oswald paid $21.45 for the mail
order rifle from Klein's, the FBI had to "locate" a corresponding
deposit in Klein's account at the First National Bank of Chicago.
The
deposit had to be untraceable, which meant that it was made in cash
or
with a US postal money order. *The deposit could not be in the form
of a personal check, or money order issued by a private company such
as a bank , Cooks, or American Express.*
According to FBI reports, Bureau agents began tracking the $21.45
money order at 9:00 am on the morning of November 23, *even though
they announced a few hours later that Oswald paid $12.78 for the
rifle*. They ALLEGEDLY spoke with William Waldman, of Klein's
Sporting Goods, then ALLEGEDLY spoke with Lester Gohr, the Assistant
Cashier of the Federal Reserve Bank in Chicago. *These agents may
have interviewed these witnesses, but the information contained in
their reports suggests that they did not.*
At 9:00 am FBI agents Gale Johnson, James Hanlon, and Phillip
Wanerus
ALLEGEDLY interviewd Klein's vice-president William Waldman, who
ALLEDGEDLY told the agents that Klein's records showed that a money
order in the amount of $21.45 was deposited to the Klein's account at
the First National Bank of Chicago on March 15, 1963. *It is
doubtful
that Waldman gave this information to these agents, because he had
not
seen an order from "A. Hidell" on the Klein's microfilm. He did not
know **the price paid for the rifle or the method of payment**. In
addition, Waldman had already given Klein's microfilm to agents
Dolan,
Toedt, and Mahan earlier that morning.*
After ALLEDGELY interviewing William Waldman agents Johnson, Hanlon,
and Wanerus ALLEDGELY interviewed Robert Wilmouth, Vice-President of
the First National Bank of Chicago *(on Sunday morning)*. According
to their FBI report, Wilmouth said that Klein's made a deposit in the
amount of $13,827.98 on Friday, March 15, 1963. This deposit
contained hundreds of entries on 5 pages of adding machine tape, with
*two entries* in the amount of $21.45 (the FBI report was wrong;
there
was only *one entry for $21.45* in he $13,827 deposit). Wilmouth
ALLEDGELY told the agents that one of the entries represented an
American Express money order and the second deposit item represented
a
postal money order, both in the amount of $21.45. *But how would
Wilmouth know if these deposits were made with money orders when
looking at numbers on adding machine tapes? (see Vol 21, p. 706).
Wilmouth, ALLEDGELY told the agents that both deposits were made on
March 15, were processed by his bank on March 16 (Saturday), and were
received by the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago on March 18, 1963.
*But the date on the deposit slip reads "2/13/63-a month before the
rifle was ordered (p. 706, Volume 21).* *And how could Wilmouth
possibly know the date that a money order was deposited at the
Federal
Reserve Bank without looking at the cancelled money order, which he
did not have??* Wilmouth ALLEDEDLY told the agents, "Postal money
orders are sent to the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, which in turn
sends them to a central processing center located in KANSAS CITY,
MISSOURI.
NOTE: **If neither the First National Bank nor the Federal Reserve
Board had copies of a $21.45 money order (No. 2,202,130,462), then
Wilmouth could not possibly have known the date the money order was
received by the Federal Reserve.**
After ALLEDGELY interviewing Robert Wilmouth agents Johnson, Hanlon,
and Wanerus ALLEDGELY interviewed Lester Gohr, the Assistant Cashier
of the Federal Reserve Bank in Chicago-*on Saturday morning*.
According to the FBI report, Gohr said that records of postal money
orders were only kept for 6 months and that *he had no records prior
to May 29, 1963.*
From the information ALLEDGELY obtained from these bankers, we
realize
that if they were interviewd on Saturday morning it is highly
unlikely
they furnished the information that appears in the FBI reports.
*Also, if they had furnished information about a $21.45 money order
to
FBI agents on Saturday morning, then the Bureau would never have
announced that Oswald paid $12.78 for the mail order rifle a few
hours
later!* It is far more likely that these FBI reports were fabricated
in order to create the illusion that a $21.45 postal money order was
received by Klein's, deposited to their bank account and then sent to
the Federal Reserve.
We have already learned the $21.45 money order published in the
Warren
Volumes was **never deposited into a bank or financial institution.**
*This means the mony order was not deposited to Klein's account at
the
First National Bank of Chicago, nor deposited with the Federal
Reserve
Bank, nor then returned to the Federal Records Center in Alexandria,
VA. It also means that the information contained in the FBI reports
of Johnson, Hanlon, and Wanerus was fabricated in order to create the
illusion that Oswald purchased a $21.45 money order which was
routinely processed through the federal banking system.
The "Official Story" of how the $21.45 money order was found.
At 1:45 pm on Saturday, November 23 Secret Service agent Edward Z.
Tucker arrived at Klein's Sporting Goods and began interviewing
William Waldman. At first Waldman was reluctant to speak with Agent
Tucker, *because he had been told by the FBI agents not to discuss
the
investigation with anyone.* He alledgely told Tucker the price of
Mannlicher-Carcano rifle was $21.45, including postage, and payment
may have been made with a money order. Tucker spoke with Secret
Service agent Griffith, who then called Chicago Postal Inspector
Glenn
Knight and requested help in locating a postal money order in the
amount of $21.45.
One of the FBI agents who reviewed the Klein's microfilm, John Toedt,
ALLEDGELY contracted the Post Office in Chicago and also asked for
their assistance in locating a postal money order. Toedt was told to
contract the division headquarters in KANSAS CITY.
After receiving a call from the SS, Chicago Postal Inspector Martin
J.
McGee ALLEDGELY telephoned Dallas Postal Inspector Cox, who in turn
contacted Harry Holmes, who stated he thought *he (Holmes) would be
able to find a record of a $21.45 money order in Dallas.*
NOTE: **Most of the background information relating to the $21.45
money order that is found in the reports of the US Post Office
originated with Harry Holmes and, therefore, should be considered
extremely suspect.**
Holmes told the WC, "I passed the information to the men (Dallas
postal employees) who were looking for this money order 'STUB' to
show
which would designate, which would show the number of the money
order,
and that is the onley way you could find one...within 10 minutes they
called back and said they had a money order in that amount issued on,
I don't know that I show, but it was that money order in an amount
issued at the main post office, which is the same place as this post
office box was at the time, box 2915, and the money order had been
issued **early on the morning of March 12th**, 1963.
NOTE: ** US post offices always kept the end "stub" of all money
orders sold to customers for their records. ***But neither Holmes
nor
anyone else produced the "stub" or any postal records to support his
claim that Dallas postal employees in Dallas located the "stub" for
postal money order No. 2,202,130,462.***
**Holmes told the WC the money order was issued ***early on the
morning of March 12th.***, 1963. Yet there is nothing on a postal
mony order that shows the time of day it was sold. The Commission
should have asked Holmes how he knew the money order was issued
"**early on the morning of March 12, 1963.***"
**The only indication the money order was purchased on the morning of
March 12 was the postmark show on the microfilm copy of the envelop
ALLEDGELY mailed to Klein's which read, "10:30 am." The Kleins'
microfilm was never shown to Holmes and therefore Holmes could not
have known that a postal money order was issued ***early on the
morning of March 12, 1963***. The only way Holmes could have known
about the postmark would be if he had previously seen, or handled,
the
envelope, or if had been told to say that.**
At 3:30 pm (November 23) Harry Holmes contacted Inspector Lloyd H.
Stephens in Fort Worth and told him that postal money order No.
2,202,130,462, in the amount of $21.45, had been used to pay for the
rifle. Stephens then contacted Inspector Duggan in Washington, DC
and
game him the same information.
Postal inspectors at the Federal Postal Money Order in Kansas City
began searching for money order No. 2, 202,130,462, while a
Postmaster
General Staff meeting was held in Washington DC. A summary of the
meeting prepared by the SS stated, "The initial request for the
identification and location of the subject US Postal Money order had
come from Postal Inspector Lloyd Stephens, Fort Worth, Texas.....as a
result of a conference between Mr. Donald Duggan, Deputy Chief,
Postal
Inspection Service, Washington DC, and Postal Inspection Service at
Fort Worth, Texas, **the original US Postal Money Order would be
furnished to this service (Secret Service).**
At 7:30 pm (CST) Chicago Postal Inspector Glenn Knight advised
Secrect
Service Agent Griffith that Postal Inspectors were attempting to
locate the postal money order in Kansas City. **Postal inspectors in
Kansas City had already spent 4 hours looking for postal money order
No. 2,202,130,462, without success.**
The Federal Postal Money Order Center in Kansas City was the same
facility at which 5 other postal money orders were located that had
been purchased by Oswald and used to repay his $435.71 loan from the
Department of State. FBI SA Donald E. Stangel obtained the following
information from the Department of State and the USPS.
He shows a chart with categories Ser # or M.O.; Amount; Issue Date;
Location; and Rec'd by State Dept
The first 5 postal money orders (beginning with series 1,156,417,562)
purchaed by Oswald in Fort Worth and Dallas were returned to the
Federal Postal Money Order Center in Kansas City. The last 3 postal
money ordrs (series 2,202,000,060) were returned to the Federal
Records Center in Alexander, VA. Money order No. 2,202,130.462,
ALLEDGELY purchased by Oswald from the GPO in Dallas, was ALLEDGELY
located at the Federal Records Center in Alexandria, VA on the
evening
of November 23, 1963.
According to the serial numbers on these money orders, the GPO in
Dallas sold approxiamtely 1200 money orders per week (3888 from
November 14, 1962-December 6, 1962; 3475 from Jan. 5, 1963-Jan. 25,
1963). Using 1200 money orders per week as a guide, the serial
number
of the money order ALLEDGELY purchased by Oswald on Mar. 12, 1963,
was
2,202,130,462 (***118,527 numbers higher***). This serial number
indicates that this money order came from a stack of money orders
that
should not have been sold by the GPO in Dallas until late 1964 or
early 1965, if sold in numerical order.
NOTE: **The Commission failed to ask the Postal Service when money
orders beginning with 2,202,130 were sent to the Dallas GPO. They
also failed to ask Holmes for the name of the postal employee who
allededly found the "stub" for the $21.45 money order.** While
Postal
Inspectors continued to search for the $21.45 money order in Kansas
City, Dallas Postal Inspector/FBI Informatn Harry Holmes advised the
money ordr could be found in Washington DC. Holmes told the
Commission, "This number (2,202,130,462) was transmitted to the Chief
Inspector in Washington, who immediately got the money order center
at
Washington to begin a search, which they use IBM equipment to kick
out
this money order and sent it oer, ***so they said***, by special
conveyance to the Secret Service, chief of the Secret Service at
Washington now, and it turned out, ***so they said***, to be the
correct money order. **Holmes was the first and only person in
Dallas
to know the number of the money order, and the first to suggest the
money order could be located in Washington, DC.**
NOTE: **The WC could not understand why it took nearly ***16
hours***
to locate the money order. Harry Holmes said the delay was caused
because the FBI provided him with incorrect information. Holmes said
the Bureau advised him the amount of the money order was $21.95
instead of $21.45, which caused him to look for a different money
order, ***but not a single person corroborated Holmes' story.***
In Washington, DC, the Deputy Chief of the Postal Inspection Service,
Donald D. Duggan, insturcted Postal Finance Officer ***J. Harold
Marks*** to indicate a search for the money order in Washington, DC,
at 6:30 PM (CST).
At 7:55 PM (CST), Chicago Secret Service Agent Griffith was told that
postal money order No. 2,202,130,462 had been located in Washington,
DC (8:55 EST). Griffith then telephoned agent Mroz, in Kansas City,
and advised him the $21.45 postal money order had been recovered in
Washington.
NOTE: **Apparently the Dallas FBI office was not aware the money
order had been located. At 9:30 PM (CST) the Dallas office sent an
airtel to the Director and SAC's in Chicago and New York. The
message
said, "Advised inst. money order culd not be located today, but would
be located *Nov. twenty four next."*
Postal money order No. 2,202,190,462 was ALLEDGELY found at the
Federal Records Center in Alexandria, VA by Robert Jackson, *an
employee of the National Archives.*
NOTE: **This $21.45 money order was never deposited into a financial
institution and therefore could not have been routed through the
banking system and returned to the Federal Records Center in
Alexandria, VA. This money order was probably obtained from the GPO
in Dallas in the early afternoon of November 23, hand-delivered to
Washington, DC, and "planted" at the Federal Records Center in the
early evening.**
**It remains unknown whether Robert Jackson "found" the money order
at
the Federal Records Center or it was given to him. There were no
witnesses present and neither Jackson, Marks, Parker, nor anyone from
the National Archives and Records Service were interviewed by the
FBI,
Secret Service, or Warren Commission.**
Robert Jackson hand-delivered the $21.45 money order to the home of
**J. Harold Marks** in Washington, DC, who had been told to locate
the
money order by Deputy Chief Donald D. Duggan. A summary report
prepared by Secret Service Agent Donald E. Burke on November 26, 1963
provided the details of how the money order was given to the Secret
Service:
"At 10:10 PM (EST-9:10 CST) November 23 1963 SA Parker obtained the
original US Postal Money Order from Mr. Harold Marks at Mr. Marks's
home. At that time Jackson was identified as Robert H. Jackson, 2121
Lee Wood Drive, Alexandria, Virginia, telephone, SO 5-7501, and
employee of the National Archives and Records Service....He informed
SA Parker that he obtained subject original postal money order and
surrendered it to Mr. Marks. Both Jackson and Marks initialed and
dated the original money order, after which it was surrendered to SA
Parker, who in turn initialed and dated the money order.
On the evening of November 23, 1963 the $21.45 postal money order was
initialed and dated by Robert H. Jackson (RHJ), J. Harold Marks
(JHM),
and John E. Parker (JEP). A summary report by the SS explained how
copies of the money order were sent to the Dallas office:
"SA Phillips (Secret Service, Dallas) advised, after consultation
with
Inspector Kelley of this service, that two photstats be made of
subject postal money order and that these photostates be placed on
Flight #107, Braniff Airlines, departing Washington, DC, at (9:00 am
on November 24, 1963, and arriving at Dallas, Texas at 11:50 A.M.
SA Parker made five photostats of subject US Postal Money Order and
placed them in an envelope. SA Parker surrendered the envelop to
Captain Davis of Flight #107, Braniff Airlines, departing National
Airport, Washington, DC, at 9 AM on November 24, 1963, for delivery
to
Special Agent in Charge, US Secret Service at Dallas.
The secret service provided the Dallas Police with a copy of the
money
order, which was published among their exhibits in the Warren
Volumes,
CE 2003 (DPD file). The Secret Service summary report explained what
happened to the ***original*** $21.45 money order:
"SA (Max D.) Phillips also requested that a chain of custody be
maintained, and that ***original postal money order be retained by
the
Washington Field Office safe.***
SA Parker then surrendered the original US Postal Money Order to SAIC
Gaiglein, which he had previously placed in a sealed white envelope
after which SA Parker placed the ***original US Postal Money Order
sealed in this envelope in the WFO (Washington Field Office) safe.***
On the morning of November 24, 1963, Deputy Chief Paterni (Secret
Service, Washington), when informed by SA John H. Grimes, Jr., of
this
Secret Service that the Postal Inspection Service, through Postal
Inspector Joseph A. Verant advised that the original US Postal Money
Order ws being sought by the FBI, authorized SA Grimes to surrender
the original Postal Money Order to the Federal Bureau of
Investigation. Immediately thereafter, while SA Grimes was
attempting
to make telephone contact with SAIC Glenn Gillies, Washington Field
Office, Federal Bureau of Investigation, SA Leslie B. Chisholm, FBI,
telephonicall contacted the reporting agent concerning this original
US Postal Money Order. SA Chisholm was advised that the postal money
order was available and he stated he or an agent of the FBI would
pick
up this money order at the Washington Field Ofice of this Secret
Service).
SA Grimes of this service removed the sealed envelope containing the
original US Postal Money ORder from the WFO safe; removed the
original
money order from this envelope; initialed and dated the money order;
made four photostats of it, and surrendered it to SA Chisholm of the
FBI who executed a receipt."
On November 24, SA Chisholm delivered the original money order to
James T. Freeman at the FBI laboratory in Washington, DC. The
summary
report continued:
"This paid order was located at the Records Center in Alexandria,
Virginia on the early evening of November 23. It was turned over to
a
Secret Service agent in Washington, DC who flew it to Dallas."
NOTE: **The information that a secret service agent hand carried the
original money order to Dallas came from Harry Holmes. As we have
seen, this did not happen and was yet another of Holmes'
fabrications. ***Copies** of the money order were sent to Dallas,
but
the original uncashed and undepostited money order was turned over to
the FBI laborator.**
What is the origin of the unused $21.45 money order?
To be considered later.
Taken from Harvey and Lee pgs 461-67
Printed from Jan. 2008 in this group
CJ
Sam McClung
news:f0e97b87-be3b-44e7...@d37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> Gil's recent post show quite well how it just couldn't be that a 40"
> Mannlicher could have been ordered by Oswald, but that is not the end
> of the matter. The matter must be that to say that he did order the
> rifle must mean there was 'evidence' that he did. If he did not order
> a "40 inch" M-C, then it must follow that the evidence to tie him to
> it or any other rifle must have been fabricated or manufactured which
> is high treason, cover-up in it's highest form. To do so and to fool
> the public must have been tedious, well-discussed to create an
> illusion to do so. I am just reprinting one of the articles I
> published along those lines. Bottom line, the alleged money order
> used didn't go through banking institutions that would have been
> needed to create a viable paper trail. By that we know the
> conspirators were pushing hard to get their way in the manufacturing
> of the evidence they needed.
>
> CJ
55:23 Holt explains in Spooks Hoods And The Power Elite
the source of the Frame Carcanos, one of each model:
"In the summer of 1963, we received a uh an order, I guess you'd call it an
order, or a request, from a uh uh gunsmith in Dallas by the name of John T.
Masen's, spelled with an "e", asking us to buy all the existing uh models
of the Manlicher-Carcano rifle, the Manlicher-Carcano was an Italian made
military rifle, probably the poorest military rifle that was ever
designed...We bought these rifles from Sam Cummings...in Pasadena...We
bought these things for $3 apiece [Holt chuckles]."
No mention of Oswald.
curtjester1
> "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
There's a lot of questions, Sam, as to why they would buy them up and
why the FBI and SS were at Crescent City Garage in N.O. the next day
so fast concerning themselves with magazines and mail order. It was
no problem to buy a rifle hy just walking into a gun store those
days. It would only serve the purpose of people setting an assassin
up to get on a paper trail that would identify someone. The FBI and
ATF would be ones to have already used order blanks to gunhouses to
see if they were doing anything illegal. Maybe that was why they
were there so fast. Peter Dale Scott speaks of this in his book which
is online, Deep Politics and The Murder of JFK.
CJ
Gil Jesus
>
> There's a lot of questions, Sam, as to why they would buy them up and
> why the FBI and SS were at Crescent City Garage in N.O.
Let me tell you what I believe:
If Oswald received a rifle from Klein's sporting goods, he didn't
receive it until he was in New Orleans.
The envelope that Adrian Alba saw the government agent hand Oswald had
the fake "Hidell" ID in it.
There's no evidence that "Hidell" ever RECEIVED a weapon at Box 2915
in Dallas.
curtjester1
> On Jul 31, 7:16 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > There's a lot of questions, Sam, as to why they would buy them up and
> > why the FBI and SS were at Crescent City Garage in N.O.
>
> Let me tell you what I believe:
>
> If Oswald received a rifle from Klein's sporting goods, he didn't
> receive it until he was in New Orleans.
>
rilfes they sent had records. No record of Oswald (beside's Marina)
showing he had a rifle there. It would have showed up in his moving
to his Aunt's house.
> The envelope that Adrian Alba saw the government agent hand Oswald had
> the fake "Hidell" ID in it.
>
Only if the 'Oswald' who was setting up the other did so.
> There's no evidence that "Hidell" ever RECEIVED a weapon at Box 2915
> in Dallas.
None whatsoever. Klein's and the P.O. are required to keep impeccable
records. It was all too telling.
CJ
bigdog
I've never seen a bigger collection of stupid fucks then you guys. To
call you morons would be an insult to the morons of this world. None
of you are bright enough to be a moron.
robcap...@netscape.com
>
> > > There's a lot of questions, Sam, as to why they would buy them up and
> > > why the FBI and SS were at Crescent City Garage in N.O.
>
> > Let me tell you what I believe:
>
> > If Oswald received a rifle from Klein's sporting goods, he didn't
> > receive it until he was in New Orleans.
>
> It was never sent. Klein's would have kept records like all their
> rilfes they sent had records. No record of Oswald (beside's Marina)
> showing he had a rifle there. It would have showed up in his moving
> to his Aunt's house.
Keep in mind too that the "source" for all of this Klein stuff was the
man by the name of Richard Cain! He was the made man (for Giancanna)
on the Chicago police department that was "tasked" with the job of
finding this stuff! I'm sure they had the same stuff for Vallee ready
too!
> > The envelope that Adrian Alba saw the government agent hand Oswald had
> > the fake "Hidell" ID in it.
>
> Only if the 'Oswald' who was setting up the other did so.
>
> > There's no evidence that "Hidell" ever RECEIVED a weapon at Box 2915
> > in Dallas.
>
> None whatsoever. Klein's and the P.O. are required to keep impeccable
> records. It was all too telling.
Don't let "Ben" hear you guys! :-)
Ben Holmes
robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
>On Aug 1, 7:06=A0am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 1, 6:47=A0am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:> On Jul 31, 7:16=
>=A0pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > There's a lot of questions, Sam, as to why they would buy them up and
>> > > why the FBI and SS were at Crescent City Garage in N.O.
>>
>> > Let me tell you what I believe:
>>
>> > If Oswald received a rifle from Klein's sporting goods, he didn't
>> > receive it until he was in New Orleans.
>>
>> rilfes they sent had records. =A0No record of Oswald (beside's Marina)
>> showing he had a rifle there. =A0It would have showed up in his moving
>> to his Aunt's house.
>
>Keep in mind too that the "source" for all of this Klein stuff was the
>man by the name of Richard Cain! He was the made man (for Giancanna)
>on the Chicago police department that was "tasked" with the job of
>finding this stuff! I'm sure they had the same stuff for Vallee ready
>too!
>
>
>> > The envelope that Adrian Alba saw the government agent hand Oswald had
>> > the fake "Hidell" ID in it.
>>
>> Only if the 'Oswald' who was setting up the other did so.
>>
>> > There's no evidence that "Hidell" ever RECEIVED a weapon at Box 2915
>> > in Dallas.
>>
>> records. =A0It was all too telling.
>
>Don't let "Ben" hear you guys! :-)
Don't let the neighborhood children get near Rob Caprio!
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Learn to Make Money with a Website - http://www.burningknife.com
Gil Jesus
> records. It was all too telling.
>
> CJ
Good Point. And Harry Holmes LIED to the WC when he said that part 3
of the PO Box application was to be destroyed when the box was closed
per regulations, and that the N.O. Post Office violated that rule by
keeping LHO's part 3 on file. The Postal regulation was that the
records be kept for TWO YEARS after the box was closed. New Orleans
followed the regulation and Dallas didn't. But Holmes lied and turned
the story around.
In addition, Holmes presented the WC with a "duplicate" of the Klein's
ad from which Oswald ordered the rifle, that was anything but a
duplicate.
So the question is what else did Harry Holmes lie about ?
curtjester1
Well, the biggest most glaring lie to be proven over and over again
was nothing that was said out of his mouth but the sleight of hand his
hand. He picked out a money order that was in a box from his P.O. for
'proof' that it was Oswald's money order. The only thing, is money
order's go in numerical order and that particular number wasn't
scheduled to be removed from a box until 1965!!!!! Here is a reprint
of more of Harry's Shenanigans. People like BigDog don't want to
realize that the cover-up was so Keystone Kopish and so Three Stoogish
that ANY moron could see that it was indeed a wild bunch bending over
backwards to shuffle any form of patchwork, contrived evidence to make
something stick. These gov't goons only come out when there are post
that beat the lone nut theory over the head.
________________________________________________
Exposing Postal Inspector/FBI Informant Harry D. Holmes
In 1963, 57-year old Dallas Postal Inspector Harry D. Holmes was an
active informant for the FBI (Dallas "T-2"). He was also the only
non-
law enforcement officer allowed to sit in during one of Oswald's
interrogations. But from Holmes' testimony we realize that he
played
a much larger role between the scenes.
Postal inspectors took an interest in Oswald soon after he returned
from the Soviet Union. Theyknew he was receiving subversive
materials
in Fort Worth and intereviewed his neighbors on Mercedes Street.
Postal employees in Dallas also notified the FBI that Oswald was
receiving "The Worker" at his box, probably with Holmes' knowledge.
If a lookout was placed on Oswald's post office box 2915, as it
should
have been, then a firearm or other large package addressed to "A.
Hidell" or Oswald would almost certainly have been brought to the
attention of postal inspectors.
FBI INFORMANT. On November 22, 1963 Holmes played a
very active role as events began to unfold in Dallas and told the
Commission:
"Well, throughout the entire period I was feeding change of
addressses as bits of information to the FBI and Secret Service, and
sort of a coordinating deal on it, but then
about Sunday morning about (9:20....."
Commission attorney Belin interruped Holmes and said, "Pardon me a
second." Belin then had a discussion with Holmes "off the record"
and
probably warned him not to say anything else about feeding bits of
information to the FBI and Secret Service.
PO BOX 2915. Harry Holmes never explained when he first
learned that Oswald rented a box at the General Post Office, but as a
postal inspector it was his job to know about people who received
"subversive" materials, such as Oswald. Holmes claimed that he
received a telephone call from a postal clerk at the Dallas Terminal
Annex who remembered renting Oswald PO Box 6225 on November 2, 1963,
but neither Holmes nor anyone identified the the postal clerk.
Lloyd
H. Stephens, Postal Inspector in Charge at Fort Worth, tried to
locate
the clerk so that he could send him a letter of commendation, but the
clerk was never located, and probably existed only in Harry Holmes'
mind.
THREE STORIES BY HOLMES. Holmes told the Warren Commission
that on the morning of November 23, "The FBI furnished me
information
that a money order of some description in the amount of $21.95 had
been used as reimbursement for the gun that had been purchased from
Klein's in Chicago, and that the purchase date was March 20, 1963"
According to Holmes, it was this inaccurate information which caused
a
delay of several hours in locating the correct money order in the
amount of $21.45.
STORY#1. Holmes told the Commission that he found the
correct
price of the rifle by locating an advertisement in a magazine. He
said, "I had my secretary go out and purchae about half a dozen books
on outdoor-type magazines such as Field and Stream, with the thought
that I might locate the gun to identify it, and I did." The
Commission never sought to verify the accuracy of this statement with
Holmes' secretary.
NOTE: Anyone who has ever looked at the rifle pictured in
Klein's small black and white advertisement knows that Holmes'
statement is ridiculous. The picture is nothing more than a black
silhouette and could not possibly be used to identify the rifle.
STORY#2. Holmes told a different story to the FBI and said
that he found a magazine in the "Nixie" section at the post office
and
after looking through the magazine found a Klein's ad that showed the
price of an identical rifle for $21.45.
STORY#3. In a letter dated April 10, 1965 to J.V. Staples,
Assistant Inspector in Charge at Fort Worth, Harry Holmes wrote, "In
the afternoon of November 23, through information furnished by
Inspector McGee of Chicago at our request, it was possible for me to
isolate and identify the number of the money order...." Holmes told
one story to Assistant Inspector Staples and a different story to the
Warren Commission.
$12.78 RIFLE. Another reason to doubt Holmes' story is that
on
Saturday morning the FBI announced that the rifle used to assassinate
President Kennedy was purchased for $12.78. Why would the Bureau
tell
Holmes to look for a postal money order in the amount of $21.95 after
announcing that Oswald paid $12.78 for the rifle?
THE INVISIBLE MONEY ORDER STUB. Holmes told the Commission,
"I
passed the information to the men who were looking for this money
order 'stub' to show the only way you could find ne.....within 10
minutes they called back and said they had a money order in that
amount issued at the main post office, which is the same place as
this
post office box was at the time box 2915, and the money order had
been
issued early on the morning of March 12th, 1963. But Harry Holmes
never produced a money order "stub," it was never seen by anybody in
Dallas, and not a single post office employee corrroborated Holmes'
story.
EARLY ON THE MORNING OF MARCH 12, 1963. On April 2, 1964
Harry Holmes told the Warren Commission that he knew the money order
had been issued early on the morning of March 1, 1963. But how did
he know?......There is no time stamp on postal money orders and the
only indication that it was purchased on the morning of March 12 was
the postmark on the envelope allegedly mailed to Klein's, that read
"10:30 am." A copy of this envelope was allegedly found on Klein's
microfilm, but the microfilm was confiscated by FBI agents on
November
23 and was not seen again until the Commission deposed William
Waldman
on May 20, 1964-seven weeks after Holmes testified. Harry Holmes
could not possibly have known that postal money order No,
2,202,130,462 was issued early on the morning of March 12, 1963,
unless he had previously seen the mailing envelope from Klein's
microfilm or issued the money order himself on the morning of March
12.
MONEY ORDER IN WASHINGTON, DC. Holmes told the Warren
Commission, "This number (2,202,130,462) was transmitted to the Chief
Inspector in Washington, who immediately got the money order center
at
Washington to begin a search, which they use IBM equipment to kick
out
this money order, and about 7 o'clock (actually 8:00 PM) Saturday
night they did kick out the original money order and sent it over, so
they said, by special conveyance to the Secret Service, chief of the
Secret Service at Washington now, and turned out, so they said, to be
the correct money order.
Holmes is the only person, anywhere in the US Post Office system, who
knew the number of the postal money order No. 2,202,130,462 on the
afternoon of November 23. No other Dallas Postal employee was
interviewed by the FBI or Warren Commission and there is no
confirmation whatsoever that a "stub" for this money order was found
at the GPO in Dallas, despite Holmes' claim.
The money order was allegedly found by National Archives employee
Robert Jackson, but there were no witnesses present and this man was
never questioned by the FBI or Warren Commission. Jackson delivered
the money order to the home of postal finance officer J. Harold Marks
and it was soon picked up by Secret Service agent Parker.
Holmes lied to the Commission. Holmes version of events
surrounding the money order were essential in linking Oswald with the
mail order rifle from Klein's and went unchallenged. But when David
Belin questioned Holmes about statements made by Oswald during his
last interrogation, attended by Captain Fritz, Forrest Sorrels,
Thomas
Kelly, and Holmes, Belin immediately noticed some glaring
contradictions.
Belin asked Holmes, "Did he (Oswald) ever say anything about going
to
Mexico?" Holmes, replied, "Yes. To the extent that mostly about-
well-
he didn't spend, 'Where did you get the money?' He didn't say that
where he stayed it cost $26 some off, ridiculous amount to eat, and
another ridiculous small amount to stay all night, and that he went
to
the Mexican Embassy to try to get this permission to go to Russia by
Cuba, but most of the talks that we want to talk about was how he got
by with a little amount....They refused him and he became angry and
he
said he burst out of there, and I don't know I don't recall now why
he went into the business about how mad it made him...he goes over to
the Russian Embassy. he was already at the American. This was the
Mexican-he wanted to go to Cuba. Then he went to the Russian Embassy
and he said, because he said then he wanted to go to Russia by way of
Cuba, still trying to get to Cuba and try that angle and they refused
and said, 'Come back in 30 days,' or something like that. And, he
went out of there angry and disgusted"
Harry Holmes was the only person who sat in on the interrogations of
November 24 who claimed that Oswald said he had been in Mexico City.
Belin recognized the contradiction and said, "Is this something that
you think you might have picked up from just reading the papers, ir
is
this something you remember?" Holmes replied, "That is what said in
there." Belin must have realized that Holmes was clearly trying to
link Oswald to Cuba, and also must have realized that Holmes was
lying.
NOTE: On December 17, 1963, four months before he was
interviewed by the Warren Commission, Holmes wrote a detailed
"Memorandum of Interview" of Oswald's interrogations on November 24,
1963. This memorandum was published in the Warren Volumes as Holmes
Ex. No. 4, but Holmes wrote nothing about Oswald's alleged trip to
Mexico City.
David Belin then discussed the postal money order with Holmes who
said, "Oswald had bee questioned about it (the money order) from
about
10 A.M. to noon on November 24, before he was killed." Once again
Holmes lied to the Warren Commission, because neither Captain Fritz,
Forrest Sorrels, or Thomas Kelly remembered that Oswald was asked or
said anything about a postal money order.
Holmes' lies and contradictory statements are not enough to prove
that
he colluded with the FBI and fabricated the money order that linked
Oswald with the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle. But Holmes was the first
person in Dallas to know the number of the money order, the only
person who claimed to have located the money order "stub," and he had
access to postal money orders and GPO cancellation stamps. If Holmes
was not involved, then why did he wait 4 hours before telling postal
inspectors that this never-deposited, never-cashed money order could
be found at the Federal Records Center in Washington, DC?
Exposing the Warren Commission
The Warren Commission was certainly aware that Oswald's alleged
purchase of a rifle from Klein's was based on highly questionable and
inconclusive evidence. They relied not only on dubious evidence
(mis-
dated bank deposits/an uncashed money order/bills of lading that
failed to identify the rifles), they knowingly suppressed evidence
(Oswald's application for PO Box 2915), ignored evidence (postal form
2162), failed to interview crucial witnesses (Louis Feldsott, Fred
Rupp, J.A. Mueller, William Sharp, Robert Jackson), failed to
properly
question Klein's employees (about 36-inch Italian carbines, the
mounting of scopes, regulations concerning the shipment of firearms
through the USPO), failed to properly evaluate evidence (postal money
order, envelope mailed to Klein's, Klein's bank statements), and
allowed the introduction of irrelevant and misleading evidence
(November, 1963 ad from Field and Stream). The Commission broke so
many rules of civil procedure in trying to "prove" that Oswald
purchased C2766 from Klein's, that we have learned not to trust them,
their methods, or their conclusions.
Harvey and Lee pgs 477-81
CJ
curtjester1
> In article <e42baaa2-9888-40b3-90bc-c2ad78e63...@a4g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
CJ
--
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Ben Holmes
> Learn to Make Money with a Website -http://www.burningknife.com- Hide quoted text -
robcap...@netscape.com
NO real CTer would need to make this kind of sick claim "Ben" and what
you are too dumb to understand even though you went to Harvard is that
this just proves YOU are JOHN as he is the ONLY other idiot to use
this tactic! Thanks!
robcap...@netscape.com
LOL!! YOU are right CJ--he must think someone will "muscle in" to his
sick habit! As I was taught early on in life -- folks accuse others
of what they do!
Sam McClung
news:4cdd066e-60dd-413d...@t5g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
wasn't john ben holmes a xxx movie star that died of aids?
is this the name of the many headed troll here?
Gil Jesus
> There's no evidence that "Hidell" ever RECEIVED a weapon at Box 2915
> in Dallas.
Let me correct that. There's no evidence that ANYBODY ever received a
weapon from Box 2915 in Dallas. That means Oswald, Marina, Oswald
claiming to be Hidell or anyone else claiming to be Hidell. No postal
employee has ever come forward in almost 50 years to claim that he or
she handed any weapons to anyone with a notice slip from box 2915.
Ben Holmes
robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
>On Aug 1, 1:12=A0pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> In article <e42baaa2-9888-40b3-90bc-c2ad78e63...@a4g2000prm.googlegroups.=
>com>,
>> robcap...@netscape.com says...
>>
>> >On Aug 1, 7:06=3DA0am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Aug 1, 6:47=3DA0am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:> On Jul 31, =
>7:16=3D
>> >=3DA0pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > > There's a lot of questions, Sam, as to why they would buy them up =
>and
>> >> > > why the FBI and SS were at Crescent City Garage in N.O.
>>
>> >> > Let me tell you what I believe:
>>
>> >> > If Oswald received a rifle from Klein's sporting goods, he didn't
>> >> > receive it until he was in New Orleans.
>>
>> >> rilfes they sent had records. =3DA0No record of Oswald (beside's Marin=
>a)
>> >> showing he had a rifle there. =3DA0It would have showed up in his movi=
>ng
>> >> to his Aunt's house.
>>
>> >Keep in mind too that the "source" for all of this Klein stuff was the
>> >on the Chicago police department that was "tasked" with the job of
>> >too!
>>
>> >> > The envelope that Adrian Alba saw the government agent hand Oswald h=
>ad
>> >> > the fake "Hidell" ID in it.
>>
>> >> Only if the 'Oswald' who was setting up the other did so.
>>
>> >> > There's no evidence that "Hidell" ever RECEIVED a weapon at Box 2915
>> >> > in Dallas.
>>
>able
>> >> records. =3DA0It was all too telling.
>>
>> >Don't let "Ben" hear you guys! =A0:-)
>>
>> Don't let the neighborhood children get near Rob Caprio!
>
>NO real CTer would need to make this kind of sick claim "Ben"
I agree! Why do you keep telling us your sick fantasies with children?
>and what
>you are too dumb to understand even though you went to Harvard
Ventura Junior College and San Jose State.
>is that
>this just proves YOU are JOHN as he is the ONLY other idiot to use
>this tactic! Thanks!
I can't help it if you keep posting your sick fantasies... it has nothing to do
with me. Nor can it "prove" that I'm someone else.
Ben Holmes
robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
>On Aug 1, 1:32=A0pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 1, 1:12=A0pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > In article <e42baaa2-9888-40b3-90bc-c2ad78e63...@a4g2000prm.googlegroup=
>s.com>,
>> > robcap...@netscape.com says...
>>
>> > >On Aug 1, 7:06=3DA0am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> On Aug 1, 6:47=3DA0am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:> On Jul 31=
>, 7:16=3D
>> > >=3DA0pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >> > > There's a lot of questions, Sam, as to why they would buy them u=
>p and
>> > >> > > why the FBI and SS were at Crescent City Garage in N.O.
>>
>> > >> > Let me tell you what I believe:
>>
>> > >> > If Oswald received a rifle from Klein's sporting goods, he didn't
>> > >> > receive it until he was in New Orleans.
>>
>ir
>> > >> rilfes they sent had records. =3DA0No record of Oswald (beside's Mar=
>ina)
>> > >> showing he had a rifle there. =3DA0It would have showed up in his mo=
>ving
>> > >> to his Aunt's house.
>>
>> > >Keep in mind too that the "source" for all of this Klein stuff was the
>)
>> > >on the Chicago police department that was "tasked" with the job of
>dy
>> > >too!
>>
>> > >> > The envelope that Adrian Alba saw the government agent hand Oswald=
> had
>> > >> > the fake "Hidell" ID in it.
>>
>> > >> Only if the 'Oswald' who was setting up the other did so.
>>
>15
>> > >> > in Dallas.
>>
>> > >> None whatsoever. =3DA0Klein's and the P.O. are required to keep impe=
>ccable
>> > >> records. =3DA0It was all too telling.
>>
>> > >Don't let "Ben" hear you guys! =A0:-)
>>
>> > Don't let the neighborhood children get near Rob Caprio!
>>
>> He must want them all for himself, eh Rob?...-P
>>
>> CJ
>
>LOL!! YOU are right CJ--he must think someone will "muscle in" to his
>sick habit! As I was taught early on in life -- folks accuse others
>of what they do!
Don't worry molester... I immediately delete your emails...
robcap...@netscape.com
You are absolutely correct Gil that is why "Ben" has to cite the
highly suspicious BY photos as his evidence for showing LHO received a
40" Carcano!
robcap...@netscape.com
> In article <eaa03ee2-2d69-4ec3-b176-88da242ff...@z34g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
John McAdams likes to read them fairy-tales I guess and he starts with
the WC's version of the events first!
> >and what
> >you are too dumb to understand even though you went to Harvard
>
> Ventura Junior College and San Jose State.
I have read from someone that you may live in CA instead of working at
Marquette, but who knows for sure Johm?
This person claimed you worked for the Navy (probably Naval
intelligence) in CA. Who really cares, all we do know is YOU lie about
the actual evidence all the time.
> >is that
> >this just proves YOU are JOHN as he is the ONLY other idiot to use
> >this tactic! Thanks!
>
> I can't help it if you keep posting your sick fantasies... it has nothing to do
> with me. Nor can it "prove" that I'm someone else.
Even this he lies about and it is obvious to all who can read that he
is the one claiming I said these things! Why do you lie and put words
into other people's mouths Johm?
Did Anton LeVay teach you that tactic?
robcap...@netscape.com
> In article <4cdd066e-60dd-413d-a5c6-5f2f1e8cf...@t5g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
Character assassination is not going to save you Johm! ONLY citing
the actual evidence you claim exists can do this!
Ben Holmes
robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
>On Aug 1, 2:11=A0pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
Sorry stupid, but when you misrepresent my position, it only demonstrates your
dishonesty.
robcap...@netscape.com
> In article <64a097ef-89db-435c-b916-984fa7b03...@t5g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
> robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Aug 1, 2:11=A0pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> On Aug 1, 6:47=A0am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> > There's no evidence that "Hidell" ever RECEIVED a weapon at Box 2915
> >> > in Dallas.
>
> >> Let me correct that. There's no evidence that ANYBODY ever received a
> >> weapon from Box 2915 in Dallas. That means Oswald, Marina, Oswald
> >> claiming to be Hidell or anyone else claiming to be Hidell. No postal
> >> employee has ever come forward in almost 50 years to claim that he or
> >> she handed any weapons to anyone with a notice slip from box 2915.
>
> >You are absolutely correct Gil that is why "Ben" has to cite the
> >highly suspicious BY photos as his evidence for showing LHO received a
> >40" Carcano!
>
> Sorry stupid, but when you misrepresent my position, it only demonstrates your
> dishonesty.
YOUR position is crystal clear for all to see! YOU lie about what the
actual evidence shows us!
Ben Holmes
robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
>On Aug 1, 2:41=A0pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> In article <eaa03ee2-2d69-4ec3-b176-88da242ff...@z34g2000pro.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>> robcap...@netscape.com says...
>>
>> >On Aug 1, 1:12=3DA0pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> >> In article <e42baaa2-9888-40b3-90bc-c2ad78e63...@a4g2000prm.googlegrou=
>ps.=3D
>> >com>,
>> >> robcap...@netscape.com says...
>>
>> >> >On Aug 1, 7:06=3D3DA0am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On Aug 1, 6:47=3D3DA0am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:> On Jul=
> 31, =3D
>> >7:16=3D3D
>> >> >=3D3DA0pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > > There's a lot of questions, Sam, as to why they would buy them =
>up =3D
>> >and
>> >> >> > > why the FBI and SS were at Crescent City Garage in N.O.
>>
>> >> >> > Let me tell you what I believe:
>>
>> >> >> > If Oswald received a rifle from Klein's sporting goods, he didn't
>> >> >> > receive it until he was in New Orleans.
>>
>their
>> >> >> rilfes they sent had records. =3D3DA0No record of Oswald (beside's =
>Marin=3D
>> >a)
>> >> >> showing he had a rifle there. =3D3DA0It would have showed up in his=
> movi=3D
>> >ng
>> >> >> to his Aunt's house.
>>
>e
>> >> >man by the name of Richard Cain! =3DA0He was the made man (for Gianca=
>nna)
>> >> >on the Chicago police department that was "tasked" with the job of
>ready
>> >> >too!
>>
>> >> >> > The envelope that Adrian Alba saw the government agent hand Oswal=
>d h=3D
>> >ad
>> >> >> > the fake "Hidell" ID in it.
>>
>> >> >> Only if the 'Oswald' who was setting up the other did so.
>>
>915
>> >> >> > in Dallas.
>>
>> >> >> None whatsoever. =3D3DA0Klein's and the P.O. are required to keep i=
>mpecc=3D
>> >able
>> >> >> records. =3D3DA0It was all too telling.
>>
>> >> >Don't let "Ben" hear you guys! =3DA0:-)
>>
>> >> Don't let the neighborhood children get near Rob Caprio!
>>
>> >NO real CTer would need to make this kind of sick claim "Ben"
>>
>> I agree! Why do you keep telling us your sick fantasies with children?
>
>> >you are too dumb to understand even though you went to Harvard
>>
>> Ventura Junior College and San Jose State.
>
>I have read from someone that you may live in CA instead of working at
>Marquette, but who knows for sure
Any intelligent person who's familiar with the Internet.
>This person claimed you worked for the Navy (probably Naval
>intelligence) in CA.
Sorry stupid, I certainly *did* serve in the Marine Corps... service to our
country is something I can rightfully claim, and you can't.
But I've never "worked for the Navy".
>> >is that
>> >this just proves YOU are JOHN as he is the ONLY other idiot to use
>> >this tactic! =A0Thanks!
>>
>> I can't help it if you keep posting your sick fantasies... it has
>> nothing to do with me. Nor can it "prove" that I'm someone else.
>
>Even this he lies about
Then simply step up to the plate and provide the evidence that I'm posting as
someone else.
But you can't.
>and it is obvious to all who can read that he
>is the one claiming I said these things!
Yep... just as obvious as the stupid things you keep claiming I said... yet
can't quote.
Why do you lie and put words into other people's mouths molester?
Ben Holmes
robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
>On Aug 1, 2:42=A0pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> In article <4cdd066e-60dd-413d-a5c6-5f2f1e8cf...@t5g2000prd.googlegroups.=
>com>,
>> robcap...@netscape.com says...
>>
>> >On Aug 1, 1:32=3DA0pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Aug 1, 1:12=3DA0pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > In article <e42baaa2-9888-40b3-90bc-c2ad78e63...@a4g2000prm.googlegr=
>oup=3D
>> >s.com>,
>> >> > robcap...@netscape.com says...
>>
>> >> > >On Aug 1, 7:06=3D3DA0am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrot=
>e:
>> >> > >> On Aug 1, 6:47=3D3DA0am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:> On J=
>ul 31=3D
>> >, 7:16=3D3D
>> >> > >=3D3DA0pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > >> > > There's a lot of questions, Sam, as to why they would buy the=
>m u=3D
>> >p and
>> >> > >> > > why the FBI and SS were at Crescent City Garage in N.O.
>>
>> >> > >> > Let me tell you what I believe:
>>
>'t
>> >> > >> > receive it until he was in New Orleans.
>>
>l the=3D
>> >ir
>> >> > >> rilfes they sent had records. =3D3DA0No record of Oswald (beside'=
>s Mar=3D
>> >ina)
>> >> > >> showing he had a rifle there. =3D3DA0It would have showed up in h=
>is mo=3D
>> >ving
>> >> > >> to his Aunt's house.
>>
>the
>> >> > >man by the name of Richard Cain! =3DA0He was the made man (for Gian=
>canna=3D
>> >)
>> >> > >on the Chicago police department that was "tasked" with the job of
>e rea=3D
>> >dy
>> >> > >too!
>>
>> >> > >> > The envelope that Adrian Alba saw the government agent hand Osw=
>ald=3D
>> > had
>> >> > >> > the fake "Hidell" ID in it.
>>
>> >> > >> Only if the 'Oswald' who was setting up the other did so.
>>
> 29=3D
>> >15
>> >> > >> > in Dallas.
>>
>> >> > >> None whatsoever. =3D3DA0Klein's and the P.O. are required to keep=
> impe=3D
>> >ccable
>> >> > >> records. =3D3DA0It was all too telling.
>>
>> >> > >Don't let "Ben" hear you guys! =3DA0:-)
>>
>> >> > Don't let the neighborhood children get near Rob Caprio!
>>
>> >> He must want them all for himself, eh Rob?...-P
>>
>> >> CJ
>>
>> >LOL!! YOU are right CJ--he must think someone will "muscle in" to his
>> >of what they do!
>>
>> Don't worry molester... I immediately delete your emails...
>
>Character assassination is not going to save you
Of course not... that's why I cite the evidence, and continue to point out that
you refuse to do so.
Ben Holmes
robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
>On Aug 2, 11:20=A0am, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> In article <64a097ef-89db-435c-b916-984fa7b03...@t5g2000prd.googlegroups.=
>com>,
>> robcap...@netscape.com says...
>>
>> >On Aug 1, 2:11=3DA0pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> On Aug 1, 6:47=3DA0am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > There's no evidence that "Hidell" ever RECEIVED a weapon at Box 2915
>> >> > in Dallas.
>>
>> >> Let me correct that. There's no evidence that ANYBODY ever received a
>> >> weapon from Box 2915 in Dallas. That means Oswald, Marina, Oswald
>> >> claiming to be Hidell or anyone else claiming to be Hidell. No postal
>> >> employee has ever come forward in almost 50 years to claim that he or
>> >> she handed any weapons to anyone with a notice slip from box 2915.
>>
>> >You are absolutely correct Gil that is why "Ben" has to cite the
>> >highly suspicious BY photos as his evidence for showing LHO received a
>> >40" Carcano!
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>> Sorry stupid, but when you misrepresent my position, it only demonstrates
>> your dishonesty.
>
>YOUR position is crystal clear for all to see!
Based on *MY* words... yes.
Based on the lies you tell about what I've said... no.
>YOU lie about what the actual evidence shows us!
You simply deny that evidence exists. You don't understand the real meaning of
the term "evidence", as demonstrated over and over again.