> In Von Pein's May 1, 2008 post of an email by Myers, Myers writes "The
> movements of JBC and the jumpseat (as shown in the ABC/ History Channel
> program and the Discovery Channel program), demonstrating the differences
> between prominent conspiracy-based illustrations and reality, were done in
> unison for clarity. Any charges to the contrary are false."

> This is as good as a confession that Myers knew the jumpseat was not 6
> inches in from the door when he created animation showing it to be 6
> inches from the door. He now insists the center of Connally was 6 inches
> inboard of Kennedy, but that the jump seat on which he was riding was only
> 2 1/2 inches in from the door. I wonder how many millions of people,
> seeing Myers animation, and seeing Connally sitting comfortably in the
> middle of his chair in a direct line of a bullet exiting Kennedy's neck,
> suspected Myers and ABC and the Discovery Channel knew Connally was not
> sitting comfortably in his chair in the direct line of fire, but was
> inexplicably scooted way to his left, hanging off the edge of his seat? I
> wonder how many of them would have believed Myers' trajectories if it
> showed Connally in this position?  I wonder how many of them would feel
> deceived to find out that Connally's sitting comfortably in the middle of
> his seat was merely a Myers invention designed to "clarify" things for
> them?

> Some might call this an out-and-out fraud perpetrated on the public.

> In both Von Pein's May 1, 2008 email denouncing my criticisms, and a May
> 8, 2008 post of a commentary by Myers from his website, Myers acknowledges
> another mistake as well. In an effort to debunk my criticism of his using
> distorted images in his overhead views of the single-bullet theory, Myers
> has asserted:

> "(Speer) continues to claim that the Connally (JBC) figure was shrunk (as
> was the jumpseat) to accomodate the SBT. He now uses images of my work
> culled from the Discovery Channel program "Beyond the Magic Bullet" to
> promote this nonsense. Even a cursory look at the images should tell
> anyone with a brain that the images used by Mr. Speer are at an angle to
> the viewer (i..e, the right side of the image is falling away from the
> viewer). This is due to the fact that the images are being filmed directly
> off my computer monitor and that the camera filming these images is
> viewing the monitor at a considerable angle. This can be seen in any of
> the wide angle shots in which I am visible alongside the monitor (none of
> which, BTW, are included in Speer's presentation). If Mr. Speer had shown
> his viewers those wide angle views, it would be obvious that the reason
> JBC (and the jumpseat) appears smaller is because of the camera/monitor
> relationship."

> While Myers attempted to insult my intelligence, he, in fact, overshot and
> hit his supporters as well. I'd come forward with my complaints about the
> distorted images years ago. No one to my knowledge, including Myers, until
> this response, had ever suggested the images were distorted because the
> animation--the animation shown round the world to convince people the
> single-bullet trajectories worked, mind you--was shot at an angle from a
> computer monitor. David Von Pein, one of my Myers' biggest supporters,
> still has trouble believing it.

> While I've given Myers a hard time, and have received a substantial amount
> of abuse in return, I believe Myers' acknowledgment of the failure of his
> animation to demonstrate the single-bullet theory, was probably worth it.
> Now we can all stop pretending the alignment of Kennedy and Connally, and
> thus the likelihood of the single-bullet theory, has been "proven".

> > Hidden within the recent attacks on my character by Dale Myers, posted on
> > the alt.assassination.jfk newsgroup by David Von Pein, are several
> > acknowledgments by Myers that I was correct about some key issues.

> > In Von Pein's May 1, 2008 post of an email by Myers, Myers writes "The
> > movements of JBC and the jumpseat (as shown in the ABC/ History Channel
> > program and the Discovery Channel program), demonstrating the differences
> > between prominent conspiracy-based illustrations and reality, were done in
> > unison for clarity. Any charges to the contrary are false."

> > This is as good as a confession that Myers knew the jumpseat was not 6
> > inches in from the door when he created animation showing it to be 6
> > inches from the door. He now insists the center of Connally was 6 inches
> > inboard of Kennedy, but that the jump seat on which he was riding was only
> > 2 1/2 inches in from the door. I wonder how many millions of people,
> > seeing Myers animation, and seeing Connally sitting comfortably in the
> > middle of his chair in a direct line of a bullet exiting Kennedy's neck,
> > suspected Myers and ABC and the Discovery Channel knew Connally was not
> > sitting comfortably in his chair in the direct line of fire, but was
> > inexplicably scooted way to his left, hanging off the edge of his seat? I
> > wonder how many of them would have believed Myers' trajectories if it
> > showed Connally in this position?  I wonder how many of them would feel
> > deceived to find out that Connally's sitting comfortably in the middle of
> > his seat was merely a Myers invention designed to "clarify" things for
> > them?

> > Some might call this an out-and-out fraud perpetrated on the public.

> > In both Von Pein's May 1, 2008 email denouncing my criticisms, and a May
> > 8, 2008 post of a commentary by Myers from his website, Myers acknowledges
> > another mistake as well. In an effort to debunk my criticism of his using
> > distorted images in his overhead views of the single-bullet theory, Myers
> > has asserted:

> > "(Speer) continues to claim that the Connally (JBC) figure was shrunk (as
> > was the jumpseat) to accomodate the SBT. He now uses images of my work
> > culled from the Discovery Channel program "Beyond the Magic Bullet" to
> > promote this nonsense. Even a cursory look at the images should tell
> > anyone with a brain that the images used by Mr. Speer are at an angle to
> > the viewer (i..e, the right side of the image is falling away from the
> > viewer). This is due to the fact that the images are being filmed directly
> > off my computer monitor and that the camera filming these images is
> > viewing the monitor at a considerable angle. This can be seen in any of
> > the wide angle shots in which I am visible alongside the monitor (none of
> > which, BTW, are included in Speer's presentation). If Mr. Speer had shown
> > his viewers those wide angle views, it would be obvious that the reason
> > JBC (and the jumpseat) appears smaller is because of the camera/monitor
> > relationship."

> > While Myers attempted to insult my intelligence, he, in fact, overshot and
> > hit his supporters as well. I'd come forward with my complaints about the
> > distorted images years ago. No one to my knowledge, including Myers, until
> > this response, had ever suggested the images were distorted because the
> > animation--the animation shown round the world to convince people the
> > single-bullet trajectories worked, mind you--was shot at an angle from a
> > computer monitor. David Von Pein, one of my Myers' biggest supporters,
> > still has trouble believing it.

> I was informed (by 6th Floor Museum [a few years back]) Myers used Z-
> frame images captured from a 1" VT. If that is true, and I suspect it
> was a canard, incredibly dumb, when 4x5 trannies were available... not
> to mention videotape pulldown issues... all of course would lend to
> any, ANY inherent film blur problems, especially concerning film
> camera panning. Supposedly direct from a film lab in San Francisco.
> The same SF film lab (Monaco Film Lab completed work on the alleged in-
> camera Z-film. At onetime, the labs website touted the fact they did
> color correction work on the "JFK assassination, original Zapruder
> film --

> > Lost in the catcalls of Myers' supporters (ha ha ha--Myers called Pat
> > stupid--ha ha ha) are the ramifications of his assertion. By admitting the
> > images used in the program were distorted, Myers is as much as admitting
> > that his whole presentation in 2004's Beyond the Magic Bullet was
> > irrelevant. No, it's actually much worse.  Since the program's creators
> > added a trajectory angle onto Myers' distorted figures that lined up
> > perfectly with their wounds, Myers is as much as admitting that the
> > single-bullet theory--which he set out to prove some years ago--and which
> > he calls the "single-bullet fact," does not work on undistorted figures.

> > While I've given Myers a hard time, and have received a substantial amount
> > of abuse in return, I believe Myers' acknowledgment of the failure of his
> > animation to demonstrate the single-bullet theory, was probably worth it.
> > Now we can all stop pretending the alignment of Kennedy and Connally, and
> > thus the likelihood of the single-bullet theory, has been "proven".

> I suspect the very reason why DM Lightwave Zapruder film-"Case Closed"
> project files aren't available for other reseachers to critically
> review and verify Myers on-camera claim of, "Case Closed"... Appears
> HBO needs to review this too!

> > Pat Speer, May 08, 2008- Hide quoted text -

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> > On May 9, 12:46 pm, "pjspe...@AOL.COM" <pjspe...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > Hidden within the recent attacks on my character by Dale Myers, posted on
> > > the alt.assassination.jfk newsgroup by David Von Pein, are several
> > > acknowledgments by Myers that I was correct about some key issues.

> > > In Von Pein's May 1, 2008 post of an email by Myers, Myers writes "The
> > > movements of JBC and the jumpseat (as shown in the ABC/ History Channel
> > > program and the Discovery Channel program), demonstrating the differences
> > > between prominent conspiracy-based illustrations and reality, were done in
> > > unison for clarity. Any charges to the contrary are false."

> > > This is as good as a confession that Myers knew the jumpseat was not 6
> > > inches in from the door when he created animation showing it to be 6
> > > inches from the door. He now insists the center of Connally was 6 inches
> > > inboard of Kennedy, but that the jump seat on which he was riding was only
> > > 2 1/2 inches in from the door. I wonder how many millions of people,
> > > seeing Myers animation, and seeing Connally sitting comfortably in the
> > > middle of his chair in a direct line of a bullet exiting Kennedy's neck,
> > > suspected Myers and ABC and the Discovery Channel knew Connally was not
> > > sitting comfortably in his chair in the direct line of fire, but was
> > > inexplicably scooted way to his left, hanging off the edge of his seat? I
> > > wonder how many of them would have believed Myers' trajectories if it
> > > showed Connally in this position?  I wonder how many of them would feel
> > > deceived to find out that Connally's sitting comfortably in the middle of
> > > his seat was merely a Myers invention designed to "clarify" things for
> > > them?

> > > Some might call this an out-and-out fraud perpetrated on the public.

> > > In both Von Pein's May 1, 2008 email denouncing my criticisms, and a May
> > > 8, 2008 post of a commentary by Myers from his website, Myers acknowledges
> > > another mistake as well. In an effort to debunk my criticism of his using
> > > distorted images in his overhead views of the single-bullet theory, Myers
> > > has asserted:

> > > "(Speer) continues to claim that the Connally (JBC) figure was shrunk (as
> > > was the jumpseat) to accomodate the SBT. He now uses images of my work
> > > culled from the Discovery Channel program "Beyond the Magic Bullet" to
> > > promote this nonsense. Even a cursory look at the images should tell
> > > anyone with a brain that the images used by Mr. Speer are at an angle to
> > > the viewer (i..e, the right side of the image is falling away from the
> > > viewer). This is due to the fact that the images are being filmed directly
> > > off my computer monitor and that the camera filming these images is
> > > viewing the monitor at a considerable angle. This can be seen in any of
> > > the wide angle shots in which I am visible alongside the monitor (none of
> > > which, BTW, are included in Speer's presentation). If Mr. Speer had shown
> > > his viewers those wide angle views, it would be obvious that the reason
> > > JBC (and the jumpseat) appears smaller is because of the camera/monitor
> > > relationship."

> > > While Myers attempted to insult my intelligence, he, in fact, overshot and
> > > hit his supporters as well. I'd come forward with my complaints about the
> > > distorted images years ago. No one to my knowledge, including Myers, until
> > > this response, had ever suggested the images were distorted because the
> > > animation--the animation shown round the world to convince people the
> > > single-bullet trajectories worked, mind you--was shot at an angle from a
> > > computer monitor. David Von Pein, one of my Myers' biggest supporters,
> > > still has trouble believing it.

> > I was informed (by 6th Floor Museum [a few years back]) Myers used Z-
> > frame images captured from a 1" VT. If that is true, and I suspect it
> > was a canard, incredibly dumb, when 4x5 trannies were available... not
> > to mention videotape pulldown issues... all of course would lend to
> > any, ANY inherent film blur problems, especially concerning film
> > camera panning. Supposedly direct from a film lab in San Francisco.
> > The same SF film lab (Monaco Film Lab completed work on the alleged in-
> > camera Z-film. At onetime, the labs website touted the fact they did
> > color correction work on the "JFK assassination, original Zapruder
> > film --

> > > Lost in the catcalls of Myers' supporters (ha ha ha--Myers called Pat
> > > stupid--ha ha ha) are the ramifications of his assertion. By admitting the
> > > images used in the program were distorted, Myers is as much as admitting
> > > that his whole presentation in 2004's Beyond the Magic Bullet was
> > > irrelevant. No, it's actually much worse.  Since the program's creators
> > > added a trajectory angle onto Myers' distorted figures that lined up
> > > perfectly with their wounds, Myers is as much as admitting that the
> > > single-bullet theory--which he set out to prove some years ago--and which
> > > he calls the "single-bullet fact," does not work on undistorted figures.

> > > While I've given Myers a hard time, and have received a substantial amount
> > > of abuse in return, I believe Myers' acknowledgment of the failure of his
> > > animation to demonstrate the single-bullet theory, was probably worth it.
> > > Now we can all stop pretending the alignment of Kennedy and Connally, and
> > > thus the likelihood of the single-bullet theory, has been "proven".

> > I suspect the very reason why DM Lightwave Zapruder film-"Case Closed"
> > project files aren't available for other reseachers to critically
> > review and verify Myers on-camera claim of, "Case Closed"... Appears
> > HBO needs to review this too!

> > > Pat Speer, May 08, 2008- Hide quoted text -

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> http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/jfk_truthers_finally_losing_gr...

> > On May 16, 11:44 am, aeffects <aeffect...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > On May 9, 12:46 pm, "pjspe...@AOL.COM" <pjspe...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > Hidden within the recent attacks on my character by Dale Myers, posted on
> > > > the alt.assassination.jfk newsgroup by David Von Pein, are several
> > > > acknowledgments by Myers that I was correct about some key issues.

> > > > In Von Pein's May 1, 2008 post of an email by Myers, Myers writes "The
> > > > movements of JBC and the jumpseat (as shown in the ABC/ History Channel
> > > > program and the Discovery Channel program), demonstrating the differences
> > > > between prominent conspiracy-based illustrations and reality, were done in
> > > > unison for clarity. Any charges to the contrary are false."

> > > > This is as good as a confession that Myers knew the jumpseat was not 6
> > > > inches in from the door when he created animation showing it to be 6
> > > > inches from the door. He now insists the center of Connally was 6 inches
> > > > inboard of Kennedy, but that the jump seat on which he was riding was only
> > > > 2 1/2 inches in from the door. I wonder how many millions of people,
> > > > seeing Myers animation, and seeing Connally sitting comfortably in the
> > > > middle of his chair in a direct line of a bullet exiting Kennedy's neck,
> > > > suspected Myers and ABC and the Discovery Channel knew Connally was not
> > > > sitting comfortably in his chair in the direct line of fire, but was
> > > > inexplicably scooted way to his left, hanging off the edge of his seat? I
> > > > wonder how many of them would have believed Myers' trajectories if it
> > > > showed Connally in this position?  I wonder how many of them would feel
> > > > deceived to find out that Connally's sitting comfortably in the middle of
> > > > his seat was merely a Myers invention designed to "clarify" things for
> > > > them?

> > > > Some might call this an out-and-out fraud perpetrated on the public.

> > > > In both Von Pein's May 1, 2008 email denouncing my criticisms, and a May
> > > > 8, 2008 post of a commentary by Myers from his website, Myers acknowledges
> > > > another mistake as well. In an effort to debunk my criticism of his using
> > > > distorted images in his overhead views of the single-bullet theory, Myers
> > > > has asserted:

> > > > "(Speer) continues to claim that the Connally (JBC) figure was shrunk (as
> > > > was the jumpseat) to accomodate the SBT. He now uses images of my work
> > > > culled from the Discovery Channel program "Beyond the Magic Bullet" to
> > > > promote this nonsense. Even a cursory look at the images should tell
> > > > anyone with a brain that the images used by Mr. Speer are at an angle to
> > > > the viewer (i..e, the right side of the image is falling away from the
> > > > viewer). This is due to the fact that the images are being filmed directly
> > > > off my computer monitor and that the camera filming these images is
> > > > viewing the monitor at a considerable angle. This can be seen in any of
> > > > the wide angle shots in which I am visible alongside the monitor (none of
> > > > which, BTW, are included in Speer's presentation). If Mr. Speer had shown
> > > > his viewers those wide angle views, it would be obvious that the reason
> > > > JBC (and the jumpseat) appears smaller is because of the camera/monitor
> > > > relationship."

> > > > While Myers attempted to insult my intelligence, he, in fact, overshot and
> > > > hit his supporters as well. I'd come forward with my complaints about the
> > > > distorted images years ago. No one to my knowledge, including Myers, until
> > > > this response, had ever suggested the images were distorted because the
> > > > animation--the animation shown round the world to convince people the
> > > > single-bullet trajectories worked, mind you--was shot at an angle from a
> > > > computer monitor. David Von Pein, one of my Myers' biggest supporters,
> > > > still has trouble believing it.

> > > I was informed (by 6th Floor Museum [a few years back]) Myers used Z-
> > > frame images captured from a 1" VT. If that is true, and I suspect it
> > > was a canard, incredibly dumb, when 4x5 trannies were available... not
> > > to mention videotape pulldown issues... all of course would lend to
> > > any, ANY inherent film blur problems, especially concerning film
> > > camera panning. Supposedly direct from a film lab in San Francisco.
> > > The same SF film lab (Monaco Film Lab completed work on the alleged in-
> > > camera Z-film. At onetime, the labs website touted the fact they did
> > > color correction work on the "JFK assassination, original Zapruder
> > > film --

> > > > Lost in the catcalls of Myers' supporters (ha ha ha--Myers called Pat
> > > > stupid--ha ha ha) are the ramifications of his assertion. By admitting the
> > > > images used in the program were distorted, Myers is as much as admitting
> > > > that his whole presentation in 2004's Beyond the Magic Bullet was
> > > > irrelevant. No, it's actually much worse.  Since the program's creators
> > > > added a trajectory angle onto Myers' distorted figures that lined up
> > > > perfectly with their wounds, Myers is as much as admitting that the
> > > > single-bullet theory--which he set out to prove some years ago--and which
> > > > he calls the "single-bullet fact," does not work on undistorted figures.

> > > > While I've given Myers a hard time, and have received a substantial amount
> > > > of abuse in return, I believe Myers' acknowledgment of the failure of his
> > > > animation to demonstrate the single-bullet theory, was probably worth it.
> > > > Now we can all stop pretending the alignment of Kennedy and Connally, and
> > > > thus the likelihood of the single-bullet theory, has been "proven".

> > > I suspect the very reason why DM Lightwave Zapruder film-"Case Closed"
> > > project files aren't available for other reseachers to critically
> > > review and verify Myers on-camera claim of, "Case Closed"... Appears
> > > HBO needs to review this too!

> > > > Pat Speer, May 08, 2008- Hide quoted text -

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> >http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/jfk_truthers_finally_losing_gr...

> focus, son.... the thread topic..... gird those ONI (Office of Naval
> Intelligence) loins- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Healy? �Being recognized as the clown you are, when did sticking to a
> thread subject ever have any bearing on you? �You demonstrate the
> brains of jello. �What do ya think Healy? �Drugs from Nam or diseases
> from the wife? �Which one?-

> > Healy? �Being recognized as the clown you are, when did sticking to a
> > thread subject ever have any bearing on you? �You demonstrate the
> > brains of jello. �What do ya think Healy? �Drugs from Nam or diseases
> > from the wife? �Which one?-

> Ed, what's this post have to do with the JFK assassination ?

> > Ed, what's this post have to do with the JFK assassination ?

> Moron

> > > Ed, what's this post have to do with the JFK assassination ?

> > Moron

> Joey, what's this post have to do with the JFK assassination ?