Oswald and Ferrie
N.R.Harrison
definitely aquainted. I guess that all the non-British posters here will not
have seen the "Timewatch" program that was shown over here in November. The
program displayed a photograph taken of a Civil Air Patrol camp-out sometime
in the fifties (I can't remember more exactly). It shows Oswald and Ferrie
at the same place, at the same time.
This is a direct refutation of Posner's certainty on the topic; he is adamant
that Oswald did not know Ferrie, and quotes Ferrie's service record to prove it.
It also fits in quite nicely with the fact that Ferrie and Shaw knew each other
(which Posner glosses over and tries to ignore), as is proved in Groden, and
adds some weight to the argument that Shaw and Oswald were also aquainted, as
is suggested by Groden - in his analysis of the film taken outside the Trade
Mart in New Orleans.
Is this news, or have the rest have you known of this for ages?
Neil...
John McAdams
n...@ukc.ac.uk (N.R.Harrison) writes:
>I've just remembered something after three months. Ferrie and Oswald were
>definitely aquainted. I guess that all the non-British posters here will not
>have seen the "Timewatch" program that was shown over here in November. The
>program displayed a photograph taken of a Civil Air Patrol camp-out sometime
>in the fifties (I can't remember more exactly). It shows Oswald and Ferrie
>at the same place, at the same time.
>
The show was broadcast in the US as "Frontline" in November.
The photo hardly shows that Ferrie and Oswald knew each other. Both
were at the same cookout, along with (apparently) a few dozen other
CAP cadets.
If you'll actually read the *testimony* on the question of Ferrie and
Oswald in the CAP, you'll find that the various witnesses though it
possible they knew each other, but nobody knew for sure. The witness
testimony provides *no* support for more than a very casual
acquaintance between Oswald and Ferrie. It's clear that Oswald was
only a casual and short-term member of the CAP, and nobody remembers
Oswald as being one of the many boys with close relationships with
Ferrie.
>This is a direct refutation of Posner's certainty on the topic; he is adamant
>that Oswald did not know Ferrie, and quotes Ferrie's service record to prove it.
>
What Posner got his hands on were records that showed Ferrie having
been suspended from his CAP position. What he apparently failed to
consider is the possibility of a continuing informal relationship.
>It also fits in quite nicely with the fact that Ferrie and Shaw knew each other
>(which Posner glosses over and tries to ignore), as is proved in Groden, and
>adds some weight to the argument that Shaw and Oswald were also aquainted, as
>is suggested by Groden - in his analysis of the film taken outside the Trade
>Mart in New Orleans.
>
The photo supposedly of Shaw and Ferrie at a homosexual party doesn't
absolutely prove they knew each other either, although it was a
smaller gathering that the CAP cookout, and it looks to me like
everybody there was probably introduced to everybody else (just
guessing based on the size of the gathering) but may or may not
have remembered names.
If Shaw lied about knowing Ferrie, the most likely reason was not that
both were conspiring to kill Kennedy, but that Shaw knew Ferrie as
part of the New Orleans homosexual underground.
The "analysis of film taken outside the Trade Mart" is a bit wacky.
Groden (p. 141 TKOTP) *says* Clay Shaw is in the picture, but I don't
see him. Even if he was, it would hardly be sinister.
.John
N.R.Harrison
>In article <50...@raven.ukc.ac.uk>,
>n...@ukc.ac.uk (N.R.Harrison) writes:
>
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>
>The photo hardly shows that Ferrie and Oswald knew each other. Both
>were at the same cookout, along with (apparently) a few dozen other
>CAP cadets.
Tsk, John, I said aquainted, not bed-sharing buddies.
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>>This is a direct refutation of Posner's certainty on the topic; he is adamant
>>that Oswald did not know Ferrie, and quotes Ferrie's service record to prove it.
>
>What Posner got his hands on were records that showed Ferrie having
>been suspended from his CAP position. What he apparently failed to
>consider is the possibility of a continuing informal relationship.
I was just making this point to respond to a poster who wanted examples of
where Posner was in error or lax in his analysis; this is a perfect example.
>The photo supposedly of Shaw and Ferrie at a homosexual party doesn't
>absolutely prove they knew each other either, although it was a
>smaller gathering that the CAP cookout, and it looks to me like
>everybody there was probably introduced to everybody else (just
>guessing based on the size of the gathering) but may or may not
>have remembered names.
There's no supposedly about it, John. The two people are Ferrie and Shaw.
There are two photos, which seem to be from different parties, and I would
suggest that the two did know each other based on their proximiety on two
occasions. Again, aquaintance is the watchword.
>
>If Shaw lied about knowing Ferrie, the most likely reason was not that
>both were conspiring to kill Kennedy, but that Shaw knew Ferrie as
>part of the New Orleans homosexual underground.
>
I totally agree. However, it is not the only possible reason.
>The "analysis of film taken outside the Trade Mart" is a bit wacky.
>Groden (p. 141 TKOTP) *says* Clay Shaw is in the picture, but I don't
>see him. Even if he was, it would hardly be sinister.
>
I used the term analysis lightly - as one does with Groden. Groden says that
Garrison recognized Shaw from his walk, but then Garrison was full of it too.
Not sinister, unless, as a previous poster suggested (quoting I believe),
Oswald was being paid to hand out leaflets there and Shaw was chacking up on
him. I don't know whether I believe Groden or Garrison, but an open mind is
always a good idea.
The whole point of my post was that it some form of Ferrie-Oswald contact
existed. This does not prove conspiracy, or that they even spoke more than
ten words to each other, but it does disprove Posner's dismissal of the
aquaintance and allows a possible conspiracy link (I'm not suggesting it
definitely exists, but that it is not impossible). Similarly, the Shaw-Ferrie
link only proves that the two came into contact on a social level; something
or nothing, the jury's out. Nothing is proved, but much is made possible or
even more probable.
Neil...