A few hours before the murder of Martin Luther King Jr. James Earl Ray
rented a room in a flophouse with a view of Dr. King’s motel room.
Moments after the shot was fired a white man ran from near Ray’s room
and sped off in white Mustang. The next morning Ray dumped his white
Mustang in Atlanta. There were however two such cars parked on the
block. Ray and his defenders claim he drove off in his before King was
shot and that the man who fled after was an imposter. The evidence
however indicates the opposite; the ‘other’ Mustang was driven off
about 30 minutes before the assassination and the man who fled did so
in Ray’s car, and thus almost certainly was Ray himself.
At about 3 PM April 4, 1968 the day Martin Luther King Jr. was
assassinated, escaped convict, James Earl Ray inquired about rooms at
Bessie Brewer’s rooming house on South Main St. in Memphis TN. Mrs.
Brewer first offered him room 8 but after looking inside he said he
was not interested, it had a stove and refrigerator and he did not
need cooking facilities, or so he said. She next showed him room 5B he
looked inside, said he would take it and registered under an alias.
Room 8 did not have a view of the Lorraine Motel on Mulberry St. where
Dr. King was staying, 5B did. You could only see the motel from Ray’s
room if you sat or stool right next to the wall at an acute angle to
window. The communal bathroom only a few feet down the hallway had an
almost head on view. The rooming house occupied the 2nd floors of two
separate buildings, the ground floors of which were occupied by [from
north to south] Jim’s Grill (a bar and grill), Cohn & Co. and Canipe’s
Amusements (a jukebox company that sold used 45s).
King was killed by a single rifle shot at 6:01 PM, police who happened
to be at a fire station around the corner responded quickly. Witnesses
indicated, and the coroner later confirmed, that the shot came from
the general direction of the flophouse. Moments after shot a man
carrying a long bundle ran from hallway Ray’s room was on down to Main
St., dumped the bundle in front of Canipe’s and sped off in a white
Mustang.
A few hours before the murder of Martin Luther King Jr. James Earl Ray
rented a room in a flophouse with a view of Dr. King’s motel room.
Moments after the shot was fired a white man ran from near Ray’s room
and sped off in white Mustang. The next morning Ray dumped his white
Mustang in Atlanta. There were however two such cars parked on the
block. Ray and his defenders claim he drove off in his before King was
shot and that the man who fled after was an imposter. The evidence
however indicates the opposite; the ‘other’ Mustang was driven off
about 30 minutes before the assassination and the man who fled did so
in Ray’s car, and thus almost certainly was Ray himself.
At about 3 PM April 4, 1968 the day Martin Luther King Jr. was
assassinated, escaped convict, James Earl Ray inquired about rooms at
Bessie Brewer’s rooming house on South Main St. in Memphis TN. Mrs.
Brewer first offered him room 8 but after looking inside he said he
was not interested, it had a stove and refrigerator and he did not
need cooking facilities, or so he said. She next showed him room 5B he
looked inside, said he would take it and registered under an alias.
Room 8 did not have a view of the Lorraine Motel on Mulberry St. where
Dr. King was staying, 5B did. You could only see the motel from Ray’s
room if you sat or stool right next to the wall at an acute angle to
window. The communal bathroom only a few feet down the hallway had an
almost head on view. The rooming house occupied the 2nd floors of two
separate buildings, the ground floors of which were occupied by [from
north to south] Jim’s Grill (a bar and grill), Cohn & Co. and Canipe’s
Amusements (a jukebox company that sold used 45s).
King was killed by a single rifle shot at 6:01 PM, police who happened
to be at a fire station around the corner responded quickly. Witnesses
indicated, and the coroner later confirmed, that the shot came from
the general direction of the flophouse. Moments after shot a man
carrying a long bundle ran from hallway Ray’s room was on down to Main
St., dumped the bundle in front of Canipe’s and sped off in a white
Mustang.
> A few hours before the murder of Martin Luther King Jr. James Earl Ray
> rented a room in a flophouse with a view of Dr. King’s motel room.
> Moments after the shot was fired a white man ran from near Ray’s room
> and sped off in white Mustang. The next morning Ray dumped his white
> Mustang in Atlanta. There were however two such cars parked on the
> block. Ray and his defenders claim he drove off in his before King was
> shot and that the man who fled after was an imposter. The evidence
> however indicates the opposite; the ‘other’ Mustang was driven off
> about 30 minutes before the assassination and the man who fled did so
> in Ray’s car, and thus almost certainly was Ray himself.
Cool. So doesn't the coordination of white mustangs indicate conspiracy?
How do you explain all his travel with no money?
> At about 3 PM April 4, 1968 the day Martin Luther King Jr. was
> assassinated, escaped convict, James Earl Ray inquired about rooms at
> Bessie Brewer’s rooming house on South Main St. in Memphis TN. Mrs.
> Brewer first offered him room 8 but after looking inside he said he
> was not interested, it had a stove and refrigerator and he did not
> need cooking facilities, or so he said. She next showed him room 5B he
> looked inside, said he would take it and registered under an alias.
> Room 8 did not have a view of the Lorraine Motel on Mulberry St. where
> Dr. King was staying, 5B did. You could only see the motel from Ray’s
> room if you sat or stool right next to the wall at an acute angle to
> window. The communal bathroom only a few feet down the hallway had an
> almost head on view. The rooming house occupied the 2nd floors of two
> separate buildings, the ground floors of which were occupied by [from
> north to south] Jim’s Grill (a bar and grill), Cohn& Co. and Canipe’s
> Amusements (a jukebox company that sold used 45s).
> King was killed by a single rifle shot at 6:01 PM, police who happened
> to be at a fire station around the corner responded quickly. Witnesses
> indicated, and the coroner later confirmed, that the shot came from
> the general direction of the flophouse. Moments after shot a man
> carrying a long bundle ran from hallway Ray’s room was on down to Main
> St., dumped the bundle in front of Canipe’s and sped off in a white
> Mustang.
Isn't it a little suspicious that a bag with all the evidence in it is left in a doorway outside the bar?
On Apr 30, 8:09 am, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Cool. So doesn't the coordination of white mustangs indicate conspiracy?
I answered that in the linked paper:
The two Mustangs were very similar. Both were dirty, white, late-model
hard-tops from states (or a state) that differently from Tennessee did
not use front license plates. Ray’s was a 1966 289 HP and the one in
front of Jim’s appears to have been a 1966 - 8 289 HP as well. There
are two possible explanations, coincidence or conspiracy. However
unlike Pepper I don’t think the latter would point to the FBI, CIA,
DoD, MPD or Mafia let alone a combination of these groups. Quite to
the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
Holloman among others.
> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
involved in some robberies
> Isn't it a little suspicious that a bag with all the evidence in it is
> left in a doorway outside the bar?
That's also outside the scope of the paper, my guess is that he saw
one of the cop cars and got spooked. If they wanted to frame Ray why
not just leave the stuff in his room?
> On Apr 30, 8:09 am, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > Cool. So doesn't the coordination of white mustangs indicate conspiracy?
> I answered that in the linked paper:
> The two Mustangs were very similar. Both were dirty, white, late-model
> hard-tops from states (or a state) that differently from Tennessee did
> not use front license plates. Ray’s was a 1966 289 HP and the one in
> front of Jim’s appears to have been a 1966 - 8 289 HP as well. There
> are two possible explanations, coincidence or conspiracy. However
> unlike Pepper I don’t think the latter would point to the FBI, CIA,
> DoD, MPD or Mafia let alone a combination of these groups. Quite to
> the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
> getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
> scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
> after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
> it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
> perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
> men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
> Holloman among others.
> > How do you explain all his travel with no money?
> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
> involved in some robberies
> > Isn't it a little suspicious that a bag with all the evidence in it is
> > left in a doorway outside the bar?
> That's also outside the scope of the paper, my guess is that he saw
> one of the cop cars and got spooked. If they wanted to frame Ray why
> not just leave the stuff in his room?
here you are, dude! the Lenster has arrived. twenty years and you
finally got here.
On Apr 30, 8:09 am, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Cool. So doesn't the coordination of white mustangs indicate conspiracy?
I addressed that in the linked paper:
The two Mustangs were very similar. Both were dirty, white, late-model
hard-tops from states (or a state) that, differently from Tennessee,
did not use front license plates. Ray’s was a 1966 289 HP and the one
in front of Jim’s appears to have been a 1966 - 8 289 HP as well.
There are two possible explanations, coincidence or conspiracy.
However unlike Pepper I don’t think the latter would point to the FBI,
CIA, DoD, MPD or Mafia let alone a combination of these groups. Quite
to the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable
of getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray
to scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s
spot after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible
coincidence it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of
people perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types,
certainly not men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello
and Frank Holloman among others.
> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
That is outside the scope of my paper but I don’t discount the
possibility someone was funding Ray and IIRC there is evidence he
committed robberies, including a bank robbery after he escaped.
> Isn't it a little suspicious that a bag with all the evidence in it is
> left in a doorway outside the bar?
Actually the record store. That is outside the scope of my paper but
why wouldn’t the plotters have just left it in Ray’s room? The most
likely explanation is that Ray saw one of the cop cars parked in front
of the fire station and decided dumping the bundle was a better option
than risk being caught with it.
> On Apr 30, 8:09 am, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Cool. So doesn't the coordination of white mustangs indicate conspiracy?
> I answered that in the linked paper:
> The two Mustangs were very similar. Both were dirty, white, late-model
> hard-tops from states (or a state) that differently from Tennessee did
> not use front license plates. Ray’s was a 1966 289 HP and the one in
> front of Jim’s appears to have been a 1966 - 8 289 HP as well. There
> are two possible explanations, coincidence or conspiracy. However
> unlike Pepper I don’t think the latter would point to the FBI, CIA,
> DoD, MPD or Mafia let alone a combination of these groups. Quite to
I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
> the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
> getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
> scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
> after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
> it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
> perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
> men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
> Holloman among others.
Well, according to the court case which the King family won the conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money, not the CIA, not the FBI.
>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
> involved in some robberies
>> Isn't it a little suspicious that a bag with all the evidence in it is
>> left in a doorway outside the bar?
> That's also outside the scope of the paper, my guess is that he saw
> one of the cop cars and got spooked. If they wanted to frame Ray why
> not just leave the stuff in his room?
On Apr 30, 11:51 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
then we are in general agreement.
> > the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
> > getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
> > scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
> > after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
> > it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
> > perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
> > men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
> > Holloman among others.
> Well, according to the court case which the King family won the
> conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
> not the CIA, not the FBI.
Wrong again the plaintiffs charged, and the jury held, that the
“conspiracy…reached into the higher levels of the government of the
United States and some of its agents and officials.” The civil case
was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
abuse of the judicial system.
“The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
> >> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
> > That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
> > someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
> > involved in some robberies
> Nice dodge.
How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
gone a long way back then. Even Pepper acknowledged “The Alton bank
robbery occurred on the day before some of his purchases began…”.
Pepper also wrote that “James, however, said he initially obtained
funds in Canada by robbing a Montreal brothel…”
On Apr 30, 11:51 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
then we are in general agreement.
> > the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
> > getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
> > scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
> > after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
> > it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
> > perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
> > men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
> > Holloman among others.
> Well, according to the court case which the King family won the
> conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
> not the CIA, not the FBI.
Wrong again the plaintiffs charged, and the jury held, that the
“conspiracy…reached into the higher levels of the government of the
United States and some of its agents and officials.” The civil case
was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
abuse of the judicial system.
“The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
> >> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
> > That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
> > someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
> > involved in some robberies
> Nice dodge.
How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
gone a long way back then. Even Pepper acknowledged “The Alton bank
robbery occurred on the day before some of his purchases began…”.
Pepper also wrote that “James, however, said he initially obtained
funds in Canada by robbing a Montreal brothel…”
> On Apr 30, 11:51 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
>> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
> There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
> to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
> other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
> didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
> then we are in general agreement.
>>> the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
>>> getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
>>> scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
>>> after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
>>> it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
>>> perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
>>> men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
>>> Holloman among others.
>> Well, according to the court case which the King family won the
>> conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
>> not the CIA, not the FBI.
> Wrong again the plaintiffs charged, and the jury held, that the
> “conspiracy…reached into the higher levels of the government of the
> United States and some of its agents and officials.” The civil case
Did they name the CIA or FBI? No.
> was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
> and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
> was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
> someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
> come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
> abuse of the judicial system.
So, we have the confession of conspiracy and you claim it was NOT a conspiracy?
> “The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
> that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
> story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
> tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
> described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
> scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
>>>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
>>> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
>>> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
>>> involved in some robberies
>> Nice dodge.
> How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
> scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
> robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
Suspect? How about some proof? Never from a WC defender.
> gone a long way back then. Even Pepper acknowledged “The Alton bank
> robbery occurred on the day before some of his purchases began…”.
> Pepper also wrote that “James, however, said he initially obtained
> funds in Canada by robbing a Montreal brothel…”
> > On Apr 30, 11:51 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
> >> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
> > There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
> > to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
> > other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
> > didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
> > then we are in general agreement.
> >>> the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
> >>> getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
> >>> scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
> >>> after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
> >>> it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
> >>> perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
> >>> men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
> >>> Holloman among others.
> >> Well, according to the court case which the King family won the
> >> conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
> >> not the CIA, not the FBI.
> > Wrong again the plaintiffs charged, and the jury held, that the
> > “conspiracy…reached into the higher levels of the government of the
> > United States and some of its agents and officials.” The civil case
> Did they name the CIA or FBI? No.
So who do you think they were referring to when they accused “higher levels of the government of the United States and some of its agents and officials”? USPS? The Agriculture Department? There is little room for doubt Pepper accused the CIA and FBI in his books and the King family went along for the ride and Pepper directly implied the FBI was involved during the trial. Your original claim “according to the court case which the King family won the conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money, not the CIA, not the FBI” was way off the mark. This topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I doubt you’ve read, I have nothing more to say about it.
> > was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
> > and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
> > was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
> > someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
> > come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
> > abuse of the judicial system.
> So, we have the confession of conspiracy and you claim it was NOT a
> conspiracy?
I don’t believe Jowers for reasons previously stated; he also declined to make his most damming claims under oath, as spelled out in the DoJ report which I doubt you’ve read. Why would someone sue for $100? Why would a prominent NYC lawyer spend over 3 weeks in Memphis, not to mention his prep. time, for his cut of such an award? Why would a defendant hire a lawyer to defend him in such a case? Pepper wanted a soap box with the legitimacy a court case would provide, Jowers and his lawyer wanted a quick buck. It was a show trial, both sides took essentially the same position; there was no one to provide counter evidence.
> > “The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
> > that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
> > story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
> > tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
> > described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
> > scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
> >>>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
> >>> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
> >>> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
> >>> involved in some robberies
> >> Nice dodge.
> > How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
> > scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
> > robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
> Suspect? How about some proof? Never from a WC defender.
The evidence is circumstantial; the robbery occurred in his hometown a couple of months after he escaped, he started spending heavily the day after it. He and his brother had used a similar MO in other robberies. Most of the money taken was $20 bills, many of Ray’s purchases were made with large numbers of 20s. In any case a) he was a habitual criminal if he wasn’t one of the Alton robbers he could have committed other crimes, b) I don’t doubt he might have been funded by some Klan types it’s not like he spent exorbitant amounts of money. What makes you think local reporter Dan Brannan was “a WC defender”?
This topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I also doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it.
> > gone a long way back then. Even Pepper acknowledged “The Alton bank
> > robbery occurred on the day before some of his purchases began…”.
> > Pepper also wrote that “James, however, said he initially obtained
> > funds in Canada by robbing a Montreal brothel…”
> On Apr 30, 11:51 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
>> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
> There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
> to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
> other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
> didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
> then we are in general agreement.
In other words a contract hit, half up front and half after the job.
>>> the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
>>> getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
>>> scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
>>> after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
>>> it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
>>> perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
>>> men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
>>> Holloman among others.
>> Well, according to the court case which the King family won the
>> conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
>> not the CIA, not the FBI.
> Wrong again the plaintiffs charged, and the jury held, that the
> “conspiracy…reached into the higher levels of the government of the
> United States and some of its agents and officials.” The civil case
They did not specify the CIA or the FBI. I complained about you mentioning them by name.
> was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
> and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
> was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
> someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
> come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
> abuse of the judicial system.
> “The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
> that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
> story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
> tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
> described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
> scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
Why would he confess to hiring Ray? For fame? Status?
Sounds fishy to me.
>>>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
>>> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
>>> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
>>> involved in some robberies
>> Nice dodge.
> How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
> scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
> robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
> gone a long way back then. Even Pepper acknowledged “The Alton bank
> robbery occurred on the day before some of his purchases began…”.
> Pepper also wrote that “James, however, said he initially obtained
> funds in Canada by robbing a Montreal brothel…”
> On May 1, 8:36 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 5/1/2012 4:47 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>>> On Apr 30, 11:51 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
>>>> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
>>> There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
>>> to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
>>> other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
>>> didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
>>> then we are in general agreement.
>>>>> the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
>>>>> getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
>>>>> scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
>>>>> after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
>>>>> it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
>>>>> perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
>>>>> men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
>>>>> Holloman among others.
>>>> Well, according to the court case which the King family won the
>>>> conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
>>>> not the CIA, not the FBI.
>>> Wrong again the plaintiffs charged, and the jury held, that the
>>> “conspiracy…reached into the higher levels of the government of the
>>> United States and some of its agents and officials.” The civil case
>> Did they name the CIA or FBI? No.
> So who do you think they were referring to when they accused “higher
> levels of the government of the United States and some of its agents and
> officials”? USPS? The Agriculture Department? There is little room for
> doubt Pepper accused the CIA and FBI in his books and the King family went
Ok, it's fun to guess. So I'll guess the NSA and the DIA. See, wasn't that fun?
Please don't break a nail trying to produce any documentation for your guesses.
> along for the ride and Pepper directly implied the FBI was involved during
> the trial. Your original claim “according to the court case which the
> King family won the conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with
> lots of money, not the CIA, not the FBI” was way off the mark. This
> topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I doubt you’ve
> read, I have nothing more to say about it.
>>> was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
>>> and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
>>> was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
>>> someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
>>> come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
>>> abuse of the judicial system.
>> So, we have the confession of conspiracy and you claim it was NOT a
>> conspiracy?
> I don’t believe Jowers for reasons previously stated; he also declined
> to make his most damming claims under oath, as spelled out in the DoJ
> report which I doubt you’ve read. Why would someone sue for $100? Why
Jeez, he refused to confess under oath? That must mean he's innocent then, right?
> would a prominent NYC lawyer spend over 3 weeks in Memphis, not to mention
> his prep. time, for his cut of such an award? Why would a defendant hire a
Gee, why would any lawyer ever take a pro bono case?
> lawyer to defend him in such a case? Pepper wanted a soap box with the
> legitimacy a court case would provide, Jowers and his lawyer wanted a
> quick buck. It was a show trial, both sides took essentially the same
Great, so tell me how Jowers and his lawyer made a quick buck. And document that. Exactly how much did he and his lawyer make? Why would any lawyer take a case for one buck?
> position; there was no one to provide counter evidence.
>>> “The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
>>> that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
>>> story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
>>> tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
>>> described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
>>> scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
>>>>>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
>>>>> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
>>>>> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
>>>>> involved in some robberies
>>>> Nice dodge.
>>> How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
>>> scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
>>> robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
>> Suspect? How about some proof? Never from a WC defender.
> The evidence is circumstantial; the robbery occurred in his hometown a
> couple of months after he escaped, he started spending heavily the day
> after it. He and his brother had used a similar MO in other robberies.
> Most of the money taken was $20 bills, many of Ray’s purchases were made
> with large numbers of 20s. In any case a) he was a habitual criminal if he
Wow, so when I go to the ATM and it gives me $400 all in 20s and then I used that to buy something that can be used as proof that I robbed a whore house? Got to be careful of that.
Were they all sequential serial numbers?
> wasn’t one of the Alton robbers he could have committed other crimes, b)
> I don’t doubt he might have been funded by some Klan types it’s not
> like he spent exorbitant amounts of money. What makes you think local
> reporter Dan Brannan was “a WC defender”?
Which person did I call a WC defender?
> This topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I also
> doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it.
That's the best policy. Don't dig yourself in any further. Just try to cover it up and move on.
>>> gone a long way back then. Even Pepper acknowledged “The Alton bank
>>> robbery occurred on the day before some of his purchases began…”.
>>> Pepper also wrote that “James, however, said he initially obtained
>>> funds in Canada by robbing a Montreal brothel…”
On May 2, 9:25 am, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 5/1/2012 4:40 PM, Len Colby wrote:
> > On Apr 30, 11:51 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
> >> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
> > There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
> > to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
> > other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
> > didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
> > then we are in general agreement.
> In other words a contract hit, half up front and half after the job.
Perhaps half, perhaps expenses plus a stipend, who knows?
> >>> the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
> >>> getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
> >>> scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
> >>> after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
> >>> it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
> >>> perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
> >>> men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
> >>> Holloman among others.
> >> Well, according to the court case which the King family won the
> >> conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
> >> not the CIA, not the FBI.
> > Wrong again the plaintiffs charged, and the jury held, that the
> > “conspiracy…reached into the higher levels of the government of the
> > United States and some of its agents and officials.” The civil case
> They did not specify the CIA or the FBI. I complained about you
> mentioning them by name.
We are going in circles, they -Pepper and the Kings - repeatedly cited
them in their writings and comments.
> > was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
> > and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
> > was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
> > someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
> > come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
> > abuse of the judicial system.
> > “The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
> > that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
> > story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
> > tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
> > described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
> > scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
> Why would he confess to hiring Ray? For fame? Status?
> Sounds fishy to me.
> >>>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
> >>> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
> >>> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
> >>> involved in some robberies
> >> Nice dodge.
> > How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
> > scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
> > robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
> > gone a long way back then. Even Pepper acknowledged “The Alton bank
> > robbery occurred on the day before some of his purchases began…”.
> > Pepper also wrote that “James, however, said he initially obtained
> > funds in Canada by robbing a Montreal brothel…”
> Yeh, like that sounds really believable.
Which story do doubt the one about the bank or the one about the
brothel?
My paper was about Ray's obviously false gas station alibi, especially
the witnesses descriptions of the 2 Mustangs, I'm not really
interested in debating other points here.
On May 2, 9:25 am, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 5/1/2012 4:40 PM, Len Colby wrote:
> > On Apr 30, 11:51 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
> >> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
> > There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
> > to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
> > other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
> > didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
> > then we are in general agreement.
> In other words a contract hit, half up front and half after the job.
Perhaps half, perhaps expenses plus a stipend, who knows?
> >>> the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
> >>> getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
> >>> scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
> >>> after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
> >>> it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
> >>> perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
> >>> men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
> >>> Holloman among others.
> >> Well, according to the court case which the King family won the
> >> conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
> >> not the CIA, not the FBI.
> > Wrong again the plaintiffs charged, and the jury held, that the
> > “conspiracy…reached into the higher levels of the government of the
> > United States and some of its agents and officials.” The civil case
> They did not specify the CIA or the FBI. I complained about you
> mentioning them by name.
We are going in circles, they -Pepper and the Kings - repeatedly cited
them in their writings and comments.
> > was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
> > and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
> > was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
> > someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
> > come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
> > abuse of the judicial system.
> > “The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
> > that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
> > story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
> > tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
> > described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
> > scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
> Why would he confess to hiring Ray? For fame? Status?
> Sounds fishy to me.
> >>>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
> >>> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
> >>> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
> >>> involved in some robberies
> >> Nice dodge.
> > How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
> > scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
> > robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
> > gone a long way back then. Even Pepper acknowledged “The Alton bank
> > robbery occurred on the day before some of his purchases began…”.
> > Pepper also wrote that “James, however, said he initially obtained
> > funds in Canada by robbing a Montreal brothel…”
> Yeh, like that sounds really believable.
Which story do doubt the one about the bank or the one about the
brothel?
On May 2, 5:09 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 5/1/2012 11:24 PM, Len Colby wrote:
> Ok, it's fun to guess. So I'll guess the NSA and the DIA. See, wasn't
> that fun?
> Please don't break a nail trying to produce any documentation for your
> guesses.
All you have to do is look at Pepper’s books or his comments during
the trial transcript he made repeated comments about how the FBI, CIA
and DoD saw King as a threat and were trying to neutralize him and
that various people he believed were involved were tied to one or more
of those agencies, you claimed that they accused “dumb country hick
with lots of money” which was completely wrong, but you can’t bring
yourself to admit you were wrong.
> Jeez, he refused to confess under oath? That must mean he's innocent
> then, right?
I gave various reasons for not believing his latter versions of
events, besides his refusal to say such thing under oath there is the
problem of the various inconsistences in his various retellings. Read
the DoJ report it is not very long.
> Gee, why would any lawyer ever take a pro bono case?
A civil case for $100 in which both sides agree to the basic facts is
obviously filed for ulterior motives.
> Great, so tell me how Jowers and his lawyer made a quick buck. And
> document that. Exactly how much did he and his lawyer make? Why would
> any lawyer take a case for one buck?
I don’t know if they made much money but they certainly seem to have
tried, read the DoJ report
> Wow, so when I go to the ATM and it gives me $400 all in 20s and then I
> used that to buy something that can be used as proof that I robbed a
> whore house? Got to be careful of that.
> Were they all sequential serial numbers?
Actually a bank, for your analogy to fit you would have to be a long
time criminal who had previously robbed banks. If a bank in your small
hometown was robbed a few months after you escaped from prison and the
day before you started spending a lot of money, most of the spending
was in the same denomination as was taken from the ban, the MO was
similar to ones in your previous crimes and you met the general
description of the masked robbers, then yes it would be reasonable to
suspect you might have been involved. Supposedly he paid for his $2000
Mustang with $20 bills. No the numbers were not sequential.
> Which person did I call a WC defender?
You didn’t make that clear, I assume you meant the reporter since you
wrote “Suspect? How about some proof? Never from a WC defender” after
I cited his article – I had not figured out that you had not read the
article.
> > This topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I also
> > doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it.
> That's the best policy. Don't dig yourself in any further. Just try to
> cover it up and move on.
No, this topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I
also doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it
I’m tired of this pointless ping-pong, you pretty obviously haven’t
read my paper let alone the sources I cited in response to your
tangential questions. From this point forward I will only address
points relating to Ray’s claimed alibi and the witness descriptions of
the Mustangs on Main St. I consider Jower’s “confession” relevant
because he was one of the witnesses I cited but unless you can rebut
the point made in the DoJ report there is no point in discussing it
with you.
> On May 2, 5:09 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 5/1/2012 11:24 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>> Ok, it's fun to guess. So I'll guess the NSA and the DIA. See, wasn't
>> that fun?
>> Please don't break a nail trying to produce any documentation for your
>> guesses.
> All you have to do is look at Pepper’s books or his comments during
> the trial transcript he made repeated comments about how the FBI, CIA
> and DoD saw King as a threat and were trying to neutralize him and
Yeah, and we know that the FBI sent King a letter telling him to commit suicide.
Nothing about them killing him.
> that various people he believed were involved were tied to one or more
> of those agencies, you claimed that they accused “dumb country hick
> with lots of money” which was completely wrong, but you can’t bring
> yourself to admit you were wrong.
>> Jeez, he refused to confess under oath? That must mean he's innocent
>> then, right?
> I gave various reasons for not believing his latter versions of
> events, besides his refusal to say such thing under oath there is the
> problem of the various inconsistences in his various retellings. Read
> the DoJ report it is not very long.
>> Gee, why would any lawyer ever take a pro bono case?
> A civil case for $100 in which both sides agree to the basic facts is
> obviously filed for ulterior motives.
You know nothing about lawsuits. The point is to prove the person guilty, not make a lot of money. How much money did the Browns get from OJ Simpson? Some cases are symbolically settled for $1 just to prove a point.
>> Great, so tell me how Jowers and his lawyer made a quick buck. And
>> document that. Exactly how much did he and his lawyer make? Why would
>> any lawyer take a case for one buck?
> I don’t know if they made much money but they certainly seem to have
> tried, read the DoJ report
That's my point. You don't know, but that doesn't stop you from making ludicrous claims.
YOU don't need evidence to counter Pepper's theories.
Just make up stuff from your imagination. Make personal attacks.
>> Wow, so when I go to the ATM and it gives me $400 all in 20s and then I
>> used that to buy something that can be used as proof that I robbed a
>> whore house? Got to be careful of that.
>> Were they all sequential serial numbers?
> Actually a bank, for your analogy to fit you would have to be a long
> time criminal who had previously robbed banks. If a bank in your small
OK, so if a long time criminal has money in his pocket that can be used as proof that he just robbed a whore house?
James Earl Ray was a long time petty criminal. So you can imagine any crime in the world and claim he did it with absolutely no proof.
> hometown was robbed a few months after you escaped from prison and the
> day before you started spending a lot of money, most of the spending
> was in the same denomination as was taken from the ban, the MO was
> similar to ones in your previous crimes and you met the general
You have an overactive imagination and carefully craft your scenario to support your biases.
> description of the masked robbers, then yes it would be reasonable to
> suspect you might have been involved. Supposedly he paid for his $2000
> Mustang with $20 bills. No the numbers were not sequential.
>> Which person did I call a WC defender?
> You didn’t make that clear, I assume you meant the reporter since you
> wrote “Suspect? How about some proof? Never from a WC defender” after
> I cited his article – I had not figured out that you had not read the
> article.
You can assume anything you want. But don't put words in my mouth.
>>> This topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I also
>>> doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it.
>> That's the best policy. Don't dig yourself in any further. Just try to
>> cover it up and move on.
> No, this topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I
> also doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it
> I’m tired of this pointless ping-pong, you pretty obviously haven’t
> read my paper let alone the sources I cited in response to your
> tangential questions. From this point forward I will only address
> points relating to Ray’s claimed alibi and the witness descriptions of
> the Mustangs on Main St. I consider Jower’s “confession” relevant
> because he was one of the witnesses I cited but unless you can rebut
> the point made in the DoJ report there is no point in discussing it
> with you.
I am just interested in your propaganda methodology and mindset.
> On May 2, 9:25 am, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 5/1/2012 4:40 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>>> On Apr 30, 11:51 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
>>>> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
>>> There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
>>> to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
>>> other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
>>> didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
>>> then we are in general agreement.
>> In other words a contract hit, half up front and half after the job.
> Perhaps half, perhaps expenses plus a stipend, who knows?
>>>>> the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
>>>>> getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
>>>>> scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
>>>>> after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
>>>>> it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
>>>>> perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
>>>>> men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
>>>>> Holloman among others.
>>>> Well, according to the court case which the King family won the
>>>> conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
>>>> not the CIA, not the FBI.
>>> Wrong again the plaintiffs charged, and the jury held, that the
>>> “conspiracy…reached into the higher levels of the government of the
>>> United States and some of its agents and officials.” The civil case
>> They did not specify the CIA or the FBI. I complained about you
>> mentioning them by name.
> We are going in circles, they -Pepper and the Kings - repeatedly cited
> them in their writings and comments.
Wonderful. I thought we were talking about the lawsuit. You know as in a transcript and quoting what he said?
>>> was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
>>> and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
>>> was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
>>> someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
>>> come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
>>> abuse of the judicial system.
>>> “The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
>>> that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
>>> story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
>>> tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
>>> described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
>>> scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
>> Why would he confess to hiring Ray? For fame? Status?
>> Sounds fishy to me.
> Mullah it seems, do you believe James Files?
Show me how he makes money off of confessing.
I was one of the first to shoot down the James Files story and was physically threatened for doing so.
>>>>>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
>>>>> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
>>>>> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
>>>>> involved in some robberies
>>>> Nice dodge.
>>> How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
>>> scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
>>> robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
>>> gone a long way back then. Even Pepper acknowledged “The Alton bank
>>> robbery occurred on the day before some of his purchases began…”.
>>> Pepper also wrote that “James, however, said he initially obtained
>>> funds in Canada by robbing a Montreal brothel…”
>> Yeh, like that sounds really believable.
> Which story do doubt the one about the bank or the one about the
> brothel?
> > On May 2, 5:09 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On 5/1/2012 11:24 PM, Len Colby wrote:
> >> Ok, it's fun to guess. So I'll guess the NSA and the DIA. See, wasn't
> >> that fun?
> >> Please don't break a nail trying to produce any documentation for your
> >> guesses.
> > All you have to do is look at Pepper’s books or his comments during
> > the trial transcript he made repeated comments about how the FBI, CIA
> > and DoD saw King as a threat and were trying to neutralize him and
> Yeah, and we know that the FBI sent King a letter telling him to commit
> suicide.
> Nothing about them killing him.
> > that various people he believed were involved were tied to one or more
> > of those agencies, you claimed that they accused “dumb country hick
> > with lots of money” which was completely wrong, but you can’t bring
> > yourself to admit you were wrong.
> >> Jeez, he refused to confess under oath? That must mean he's innocent
> >> then, right?
> > I gave various reasons for not believing his latter versions of
> > events, besides his refusal to say such thing under oath there is the
> > problem of the various inconsistences in his various retellings. Read
> > the DoJ report it is not very long.
> >> Gee, why would any lawyer ever take a pro bono case?
> > A civil case for $100 in which both sides agree to the basic facts is
> > obviously filed for ulterior motives.
> You know nothing about lawsuits. The point is to prove the person
> guilty, not make a lot of money. How much money did the Browns get from
> OJ Simpson? Some cases are symbolically settled for $1 just to prove a
> point.
I said I would only reply to points relevant to my paper, but I'll
make an exception for this since it is related to Jowers. The Simpson
case is not a valid analogy because the Brown and Goldman families
sued for millions, thought they did not get the full award they
received much more than $100 and they created serious financial
problems for OJ. Most importantly they sued OJ Simpson and his lawyers
tried to refute the claim he was the killer.
> >> Great, so tell me how Jowers and his lawyer made a quick buck. And
> >> document that. Exactly how much did he and his lawyer make? Why would
> >> any lawyer take a case for one buck?
> > I don’t know if they made much money but they certainly seem to have
> > tried, read the DoJ report
> That's my point. You don't know, but that doesn't stop you from making
> ludicrous claims.
Jowers claims were ludicrous and contradictory, the DoJ cited several
of his associates by name who said he said on several occasions he
hoped to make money off book or movie deals. I have yet to see Pepper
or anyone else refute those claims.
> >> Wow, so when I go to the ATM and it gives me $400 all in 20s and then I
> >> used that to buy something that can be used as proof that I robbed a
> >> whore house? Got to be careful of that.
> >> Were they all sequential serial numbers?
> > Actually a bank, for your analogy to fit you would have to be a long
> > time criminal who had previously robbed banks. If a bank in your small
> OK, so if a long time criminal has money in his pocket that can be used
> as proof that he just robbed a whore house?
> James Earl Ray was a long time petty criminal. So you can imagine any
> crime in the world and claim he did it with absolutely no proof.
> > hometown was robbed a few months after you escaped from prison and the
> > day before you started spending a lot of money, most of the spending
> > was in the same denomination as was taken from the ban, the MO was
> > similar to ones in your previous crimes and you met the general
> You have an overactive imagination and carefully craft your scenario to
> support your biases.
> > description of the masked robbers, then yes it would be reasonable to
> > suspect you might have been involved. Supposedly he paid for his $2000
> > Mustang with $20 bills. No the numbers were not sequential.
> >> Which person did I call a WC defender?
> > You didn’t make that clear, I assume you meant the reporter since you
> > wrote “Suspect? How about some proof? Never from a WC defender” after
> > I cited his article – I had not figured out that you had not read the
> > article.
> You can assume anything you want. But don't put words in my mouth.
If you don't want to be misunderstood you shouldn't make vague
comments
> >>> This topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I also
> >>> doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it.
> >> That's the best policy. Don't dig yourself in any further. Just try to
> >> cover it up and move on.
> > No, this topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I
> > also doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it
> > I’m tired of this pointless ping-pong, you pretty obviously haven’t
> > read my paper let alone the sources I cited in response to your
> > tangential questions. From this point forward I will only address
> > points relating to Ray’s claimed alibi and the witness descriptions of
> > the Mustangs on Main St. I consider Jower’s “confession” relevant
> > because he was one of the witnesses I cited but unless you can rebut
> > the point made in the DoJ report there is no point in discussing it
> > with you.
> I am just interested in your propaganda methodology and mindset.
If you think my paper is "propaganda" then point to any errors of fact
or logic, I won't hold my breath.
> > On May 2, 9:25 am, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On 5/1/2012 4:40 PM, Len Colby wrote:
> >>> On Apr 30, 11:51 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
> >>>> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
> >>> There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
> >>> to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
> >>> other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
> >>> didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
> >>> then we are in general agreement.
> >> In other words a contract hit, half up front and half after the job.
> > Perhaps half, perhaps expenses plus a stipend, who knows?
> >>>>> the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
> >>>>> getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
> >>>>> scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
> >>>>> after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
> >>>>> it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
> >>>>> perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
> >>>>> men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
> >>>>> Holloman among others.
> >>>> Well, according to the court case which the King family won the
> >>>> conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
> >>>> not the CIA, not the FBI.
> >>> Wrong again the plaintiffs charged, and the jury held, that the
> >>> “conspiracy…reached into the higher levels of the government of the
> >>> United States and some of its agents and officials.” The civil case
> >> They did not specify the CIA or the FBI. I complained about you
> >> mentioning them by name.
> > We are going in circles, they -Pepper and the Kings - repeatedly cited
> > them in their writings and comments.
> Wonderful. I thought we were talking about the lawsuit. You know as in a
> transcript and quoting what he said?
> >>> was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
> >>> and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
> >>> was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
> >>> someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
> >>> come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
> >>> abuse of the judicial system.
> >>> “The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
> >>> that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
> >>> story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
> >>> tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
> >>> described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
> >>> scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
> >> Why would he confess to hiring Ray? For fame? Status?
> >> Sounds fishy to me.
> > Mullah it seems, do you believe James Files?
> Show me how he makes money off of confessing.
> I was one of the first to shoot down the James Files story and was
> physically threatened for doing so.
So why did Files "confess"? As for Jowers read the report.
> >>>>>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
> >>>>> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
> >>>>> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
> >>>>> involved in some robberies
> >>>> Nice dodge.
> >>> How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
> >>> scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
> >>> robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
> >>> gone a long way back then. Even Pepper acknowledged “The Alton bank
> >>> robbery occurred on the day before some of his purchases began…”.
> >>> Pepper also wrote that “James, however, said he initially obtained
> >>> funds in Canada by robbing a Montreal brothel…”
> >> Yeh, like that sounds really believable.
> > Which story do doubt the one about the bank or the one about the
> > brothel?
> > On May 2, 5:09 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On 5/1/2012 11:24 PM, Len Colby wrote:
> >> Ok, it's fun to guess. So I'll guess the NSA and the DIA. See, wasn't
> >> that fun?
> >> Please don't break a nail trying to produce any documentation for your
> >> guesses.
> > All you have to do is look at Pepper’s books or his comments during
> > the trial transcript he made repeated comments about how the FBI, CIA
> > and DoD saw King as a threat and were trying to neutralize him and
> Yeah, and we know that the FBI sent King a letter telling him to commit
> suicide.
> Nothing about them killing him.
> > that various people he believed were involved were tied to one or more
> > of those agencies, you claimed that they accused “dumb country hick
> > with lots of money” which was completely wrong, but you can’t bring
> > yourself to admit you were wrong.
> >> Jeez, he refused to confess under oath? That must mean he's innocent
> >> then, right?
> > I gave various reasons for not believing his latter versions of
> > events, besides his refusal to say such thing under oath there is the
> > problem of the various inconsistences in his various retellings. Read
> > the DoJ report it is not very long.
> >> Gee, why would any lawyer ever take a pro bono case?
> > A civil case for $100 in which both sides agree to the basic facts is
> > obviously filed for ulterior motives.
> You know nothing about lawsuits. The point is to prove the person
> guilty, not make a lot of money. How much money did the Browns get from
> OJ Simpson? Some cases are symbolically settled for $1 just to prove a
> point.
I said I would only reply to points relevant to my paper, but I'll make an exception for this since it is related to Jowers. The Simpson case is not a valid analogy because the Brown and Goldman families sued for millions, thought they did not get the full award they received much more than $100 and they created serious financial problems for OJ. Most importantly they sued OJ Simpson and his lawyers tried to refute the claim he was the killer.
> >> Great, so tell me how Jowers and his lawyer made a quick buck. And
> >> document that. Exactly how much did he and his lawyer make? Why would
> >> any lawyer take a case for one buck?
> > I don’t know if they made much money but they certainly seem to have
> > tried, read the DoJ report
> That's my point. You don't know, but that doesn't stop you from making
> ludicrous claims.
Jowers claims were ludicrous and contradictory, the DoJ cited several of his associates by name who said he said on several occasions he hoped to make money off book or movie deals. I have yet to see Pepper or anyone else refute those claims.
> >> Wow, so when I go to the ATM and it gives me $400 all in 20s and then I
> >> used that to buy something that can be used as proof that I robbed a
> >> whore house? Got to be careful of that.
> >> Were they all sequential serial numbers?
> > Actually a bank, for your analogy to fit you would have to be a long
> > time criminal who had previously robbed banks. If a bank in your small
> OK, so if a long time criminal has money in his pocket that can be used
> as proof that he just robbed a whore house?
> James Earl Ray was a long time petty criminal. So you can imagine any
> crime in the world and claim he did it with absolutely no proof.
> > hometown was robbed a few months after you escaped from prison and the
> > day before you started spending a lot of money, most of the spending
> > was in the same denomination as was taken from the ban, the MO was
> > similar to ones in your previous crimes and you met the general
> You have an overactive imagination and carefully craft your scenario to
> support your biases.
> > description of the masked robbers, then yes it would be reasonable to
> > suspect you might have been involved. Supposedly he paid for his $2000
> > Mustang with $20 bills. No the numbers were not sequential.
> >> Which person did I call a WC defender?
> > You didn’t make that clear, I assume you meant the reporter since you
> > wrote “Suspect? How about some proof? Never from a WC defender” after
> > I cited his article – I had not figured out that you had not read the
> > article.
> You can assume anything you want. But don't put words in my mouth.
If you don't want to be misunderstood you shouldn't make vague
comments
> >>> This topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I also
> >>> doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it.
> >> That's the best policy. Don't dig yourself in any further. Just try to
> >> cover it up and move on.
> > No, this topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I
> > also doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it
> > I’m tired of this pointless ping-pong, you pretty obviously haven’t
> > read my paper let alone the sources I cited in response to your
> > tangential questions. From this point forward I will only address
> > points relating to Ray’s claimed alibi and the witness descriptions of
> > the Mustangs on Main St. I consider Jower’s “confession” relevant
> > because he was one of the witnesses I cited but unless you can rebut
> > the point made in the DoJ report there is no point in discussing it
> > with you.
> I am just interested in your propaganda methodology and mindset.
If you thunk my paper was "propaganda" then point to any errors of
fact or logic, I won't hold my breath.
> > On May 2, 9:25 am, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On 5/1/2012 4:40 PM, Len Colby wrote:
> >>> On Apr 30, 11:51 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
> >>>> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
> >>> There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
> >>> to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
> >>> other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
> >>> didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
> >>> then we are in general agreement.
> >> In other words a contract hit, half up front and half after the job.
> > Perhaps half, perhaps expenses plus a stipend, who knows?
> >>>>> the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
> >>>>> getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
> >>>>> scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
> >>>>> after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
> >>>>> it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
> >>>>> perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
> >>>>> men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
> >>>>> Holloman among others.
> >>>> Well, according to the court case which the King family won the
> >>>> conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
> >>>> not the CIA, not the FBI.
> >>> Wrong again the plaintiffs charged, and the jury held, that the
> >>> “conspiracy…reached into the higher levels of the government of the
> >>> United States and some of its agents and officials.” The civil case
> >> They did not specify the CIA or the FBI. I complained about you
> >> mentioning them by name.
> > We are going in circles, they -Pepper and the Kings - repeatedly cited
> > them in their writings and comments.
> Wonderful. I thought we were talking about the lawsuit. You know as in a
> transcript and quoting what he said?
> >>> was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
> >>> and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
> >>> was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
> >>> someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
> >>> come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
> >>> abuse of the judicial system.
> >>> “The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
> >>> that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
> >>> story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
> >>> tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
> >>> described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
> >>> scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
> >> Why would he confess to hiring Ray? For fame? Status?
> >> Sounds fishy to me.
> > Mullah it seems, do you believe James Files?
> Show me how he makes money off of confessing.
> I was one of the first to shoot down the James Files story and was
> physically threatened for doing so.
So why did Files "confess"? As for Jowers read the report.
> >>>>>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
> >>>>> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
> >>>>> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
> >>>>> involved in some robberies
> >>>> Nice dodge.
> >>> How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
> >>> scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
> >>> robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
> >>> gone a long way back then. Even Pepper acknowledged “The Alton bank
> >>> robbery occurred on the day before some of his purchases began…”.
> >>> Pepper also wrote that “James, however, said he initially obtained
> >>> funds in Canada by robbing a Montreal brothel…”
> >> Yeh, like that sounds really believable.
> > Which story do doubt the one about the bank or the one about the
> > brothel?
> On May 3, 10:34 am, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 5/2/2012 5:43 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>>> On May 2, 9:25 am, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> On 5/1/2012 4:40 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 30, 11:51 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> I am not asking you to reveal which agencies were involved.
>>>>>> I am just talking about conspiracy in general.
>>>>> There were several bounties on King’s head, my take is that Ray hoped
>>>>> to collect one, it is possible some gave him money beforehand and some
>>>>> other help. If you believe that the conspiracy (if there was one)
>>>>> didn’t go beyond some Klan types and perhaps some of Ray’s brothers,
>>>>> then we are in general agreement.
>>>> In other words a contract hit, half up front and half after the job.
>>> Perhaps half, perhaps expenses plus a stipend, who knows?
>>>>>>> the contrary, certainly either one of them would have been capable of
>>>>>>> getting two cars without the differences noted above, getting Ray to
>>>>>>> scrape off those Mexican stickers and parked the 2nd one in Ray’s spot
>>>>>>> after he pulled out. If this was more than an incredible coincidence
>>>>>>> it seems to have organized by a not very capable group of people
>>>>>>> perhaps some of Ray’s acquaintances or some KKK types, certainly not
>>>>>>> men like Richard Helms, J. Edgar Hoover, Carlos Marcello and Frank
>>>>>>> Holloman among others.
>>>>>> Well, according to the court case which the King family won the
>>>>>> conspiracy was financed by some dumb country hick with lots of money,
>>>>>> not the CIA, not the FBI.
>>>>> Wrong again the plaintiffs charged, and the jury held, that the
>>>>> “conspiracy…reached into the higher levels of the government of the
>>>>> United States and some of its agents and officials.” The civil case
>>>> They did not specify the CIA or the FBI. I complained about you
>>>> mentioning them by name.
>>> We are going in circles, they -Pepper and the Kings - repeatedly cited
>>> them in their writings and comments.
>> Wonderful. I thought we were talking about the lawsuit. You know as in a
>> transcript and quoting what he said?
>>>>> was a joke; it was a publicity stunt. Loyd Jowers, the ‘defendant’,
>>>>> and his lawyer also said there was such a conspiracy but claimed he
>>>>> was but a small cog, the King family only asked for $100. Why would
>>>>> someone pay a lawyer to fight a $100 claim? Why would a prominent NYC
>>>>> come down to Memphis for a few weeks to claim that amount? It was an
>>>>> abuse of the judicial system.
>>>>> “The Civil Rights Division of the DoJ however made a very strong case
>>>>> that Jowers later claims were BS, he told an essentially consistent
>>>>> story for over 25 years, then told various inconstant and implausible
>>>>> tales of a complex conspiracy which he eventually recanted and
>>>>> described as “b***s***”. His ‘confession’ was apparently part of a
>>>>> scheme to try and get a book or movie deal”
>>>> Why would he confess to hiring Ray? For fame? Status?
>>>> Sounds fishy to me.
>>> Mullah it seems, do you believe James Files?
>> Show me how he makes money off of confessing.
>> I was one of the first to shoot down the James Files story and was
>> physically threatened for doing so.
> So why did Files "confess"? As for Jowers read the report.
To raise money for his family to use for his defense fund to get him out of prison for killing the judge.
>>>>>>>> How do you explain all his travel with no money?
>>>>>>> That's outside the scope of my paper but I think it's quite possible
>>>>>>> someone was giving him money, also IIRC there is evidence he was
>>>>>>> involved in some robberies
>>>>>> Nice dodge.
>>>>> How was my answer a dodge? Where he got his money was outside the
>>>>> scope of my paper. He and one of his brothers were suspect in one bank
>>>>> robbery which netted “more than $27,000 in cash”, half that would have
>>>>> gone a long way back then. Even Pepper acknowledged “The Alton bank
>>>>> robbery occurred on the day before some of his purchases began…”.
>>>>> Pepper also wrote that “James, however, said he initially obtained
>>>>> funds in Canada by robbing a Montreal brothel…”
>>>> Yeh, like that sounds really believable.
>>> Which story do doubt the one about the bank or the one about the
>>> brothel?
> On May 3, 10:34 am, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 5/2/2012 10:35 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>>> On May 2, 5:09 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> On 5/1/2012 11:24 PM, Len Colby wrote:
>>>> Ok, it's fun to guess. So I'll guess the NSA and the DIA. See, wasn't
>>>> that fun?
>>>> Please don't break a nail trying to produce any documentation for your
>>>> guesses.
>>> All you have to do is look at Pepper’s books or his comments during
>>> the trial transcript he made repeated comments about how the FBI, CIA
>>> and DoD saw King as a threat and were trying to neutralize him and
>> Yeah, and we know that the FBI sent King a letter telling him to commit
>> suicide.
>> Nothing about them killing him.
>>> that various people he believed were involved were tied to one or more
>>> of those agencies, you claimed that they accused “dumb country hick
>>> with lots of money” which was completely wrong, but you can’t bring
>>> yourself to admit you were wrong.
>>>> Jeez, he refused to confess under oath? That must mean he's innocent
>>>> then, right?
>>> I gave various reasons for not believing his latter versions of
>>> events, besides his refusal to say such thing under oath there is the
>>> problem of the various inconsistences in his various retellings. Read
>>> the DoJ report it is not very long.
>>>> Gee, why would any lawyer ever take a pro bono case?
>>> A civil case for $100 in which both sides agree to the basic facts is
>>> obviously filed for ulterior motives.
>> You know nothing about lawsuits. The point is to prove the person
>> guilty, not make a lot of money. How much money did the Browns get from
>> OJ Simpson? Some cases are symbolically settled for $1 just to prove a
>> point.
> I said I would only reply to points relevant to my paper, but I'll make an
> exception for this since it is related to Jowers. The Simpson case is not
> a valid analogy because the Brown and Goldman families sued for millions,
> thought they did not get the full award they received much more than $100
> and they created serious financial problems for OJ. Most importantly they
> sued OJ Simpson and his lawyers tried to refute the claim he was the
> killer.
>>>> Great, so tell me how Jowers and his lawyer made a quick buck. And
>>>> document that. Exactly how much did he and his lawyer make? Why would
>>>> any lawyer take a case for one buck?
>>> I don’t know if they made much money but they certainly seem to have
>>> tried, read the DoJ report
>> That's my point. You don't know, but that doesn't stop you from making
>> ludicrous claims.
> Jowers claims were ludicrous and contradictory, the DoJ cited several of
> his associates by name who said he said on several occasions he hoped to
> make money off book or movie deals. I have yet to see Pepper or anyone
> else refute those claims.
That's wonderful. Exactly how much money did Jowers make off book or movie deals?
>>>>> there was no one to provide counter evidence.
>>>> Counter evidence of what?
>>> To counter Pepper’s theories obviously.
>> YOU don't need evidence to counter Pepper's theories.
>> Just make up stuff from your imagination. Make personal attacks.
> I have cited evidence, principally relating to Ray's obviously bogus alibi
> story but so far you've fled that like a mouse with a hungry cat behind it
So far I haven't seen any facts from you, only speculation.
>>>> Wow, so when I go to the ATM and it gives me $400 all in 20s and then I
>>>> used that to buy something that can be used as proof that I robbed a
>>>> whore house? Got to be careful of that.
>>>> Were they all sequential serial numbers?
>>> Actually a bank, for your analogy to fit you would have to be a long
>>> time criminal who had previously robbed banks. If a bank in your small
>> OK, so if a long time criminal has money in his pocket that can be used
>> as proof that he just robbed a whore house?
>> James Earl Ray was a long time petty criminal. So you can imagine any
>> crime in the world and claim he did it with absolutely no proof.
>>> hometown was robbed a few months after you escaped from prison and the
>>> day before you started spending a lot of money, most of the spending
>>> was in the same denomination as was taken from the ban, the MO was
>>> similar to ones in your previous crimes and you met the general
>> You have an overactive imagination and carefully craft your scenario to
>> support your biases.
>>> description of the masked robbers, then yes it would be reasonable to
>>> suspect you might have been involved. Supposedly he paid for his $2000
>>> Mustang with $20 bills. No the numbers were not sequential.
>>>> Which person did I call a WC defender?
>>> You didn’t make that clear, I assume you meant the reporter since you
>>> wrote “Suspect? How about some proof? Never from a WC defender” after
>>> I cited his article – I had not figured out that you had not read the
>>> article.
>> You can assume anything you want. But don't put words in my mouth.
> If you don't want to be misunderstood you shouldn't make vague
> comments
>>>>> This topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I also
>>>>> doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it.
>>>> That's the best policy. Don't dig yourself in any further. Just try to
>>>> cover it up and move on.
>>> No, this topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I
>>> also doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it
>>> I’m tired of this pointless ping-pong, you pretty obviously haven’t
>>> read my paper let alone the sources I cited in response to your
>>> tangential questions. From this point forward I will only address
>>> points relating to Ray’s claimed alibi and the witness descriptions of
>>> the Mustangs on Main St. I consider Jower’s “confession” relevant
>>> because he was one of the witnesses I cited but unless you can rebut
>>> the point made in the DoJ report there is no point in discussing it
>>> with you.
>> I am just interested in your propaganda methodology and mindset.
> If you thunk my paper was "propaganda" then point to any errors of
> fact or logic, I won't hold my breath.
> > On May 3, 10:34 am, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On 5/2/2012 10:35 PM, Len Colby wrote:
> >>> On May 2, 5:09 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>> On 5/1/2012 11:24 PM, Len Colby wrote:
> >>>> Ok, it's fun to guess. So I'll guess the NSA and the DIA. See, wasn't
> >>>> that fun?
> >>>> Please don't break a nail trying to produce any documentation for your
> >>>> guesses.
> >>> All you have to do is look at Pepper’s books or his comments during
> >>> the trial transcript he made repeated comments about how the FBI, CIA
> >>> and DoD saw King as a threat and were trying to neutralize him and
> >> Yeah, and we know that the FBI sent King a letter telling him to commit
> >> suicide.
> >> Nothing about them killing him.
> >>> that various people he believed were involved were tied to one or more
> >>> of those agencies, you claimed that they accused “dumb country hick
> >>> with lots of money” which was completely wrong, but you can’t bring
> >>> yourself to admit you were wrong.
> >>>> Jeez, he refused to confess under oath? That must mean he's innocent
> >>>> then, right?
> >>> I gave various reasons for not believing his latter versions of
> >>> events, besides his refusal to say such thing under oath there is the
> >>> problem of the various inconsistences in his various retellings. Read
> >>> the DoJ report it is not very long.
> >>>> Gee, why would any lawyer ever take a pro bono case?
> >>> A civil case for $100 in which both sides agree to the basic facts is
> >>> obviously filed for ulterior motives.
> >> You know nothing about lawsuits. The point is to prove the person
> >> guilty, not make a lot of money. How much money did the Browns get from
> >> OJ Simpson? Some cases are symbolically settled for $1 just to prove a
> >> point.
> > I said I would only reply to points relevant to my paper, but I'll make an
> > exception for this since it is related to Jowers. The Simpson case is not
> > a valid analogy because the Brown and Goldman families sued for millions,
> > thought they did not get the full award they received much more than $100
> > and they created serious financial problems for OJ. Most importantly they
> > sued OJ Simpson and his lawyers tried to refute the claim he was the
> > killer.
> >>>> Great, so tell me how Jowers and his lawyer made a quick buck. And
> >>>> document that. Exactly how much did he and his lawyer make? Why would
> >>>> any lawyer take a case for one buck?
> >>> I don’t know if they made much money but they certainly seem to have
> >>> tried, read the DoJ report
> >> That's my point. You don't know, but that doesn't stop you from making
> >> ludicrous claims.
> > Jowers claims were ludicrous and contradictory, the DoJ cited several of
> > his associates by name who said he said on several occasions he hoped to
> > make money off book or movie deals. I have yet to see Pepper or anyone
> > else refute those claims.
> That's wonderful. Exactly how much money did Jowers make off book or
> movie deals?
I have no idea it doesn't seem like he made much, that's not to say
he, his shyster and his friends didn't try. Did you even bother to
read the DoJ report?
Nice dodge regarding Files, why do you think he "confessed"?
> >>>>> there was no one to provide counter evidence.
> >>>> Counter evidence of what?
> >>> To counter Pepper’s theories obviously.
> >> YOU don't need evidence to counter Pepper's theories.
> >> Just make up stuff from your imagination. Make personal attacks.
> > I have cited evidence, principally relating to Ray's obviously bogus alibi
> > story but so far you've fled that like a mouse with a hungry cat behind it
> So far I haven't seen any facts from you, only speculation.
That's because you haven't read my paper, I provided a link in the
opening post. Here it is again
> >>>> Wow, so when I go to the ATM and it gives me $400 all in 20s and then I
> >>>> used that to buy something that can be used as proof that I robbed a
> >>>> whore house? Got to be careful of that.
> >>>> Were they all sequential serial numbers?
> >>> Actually a bank, for your analogy to fit you would have to be a long
> >>> time criminal who had previously robbed banks. If a bank in your small
> >> OK, so if a long time criminal has money in his pocket that can be used
> >> as proof that he just robbed a whore house?
> >> James Earl Ray was a long time petty criminal. So you can imagine any
> >> crime in the world and claim he did it with absolutely no proof.
> >>> hometown was robbed a few months after you escaped from prison and the
> >>> day before you started spending a lot of money, most of the spending
> >>> was in the same denomination as was taken from the ban, the MO was
> >>> similar to ones in your previous crimes and you met the general
> >> You have an overactive imagination and carefully craft your scenario to
> >> support your biases.
> >>> description of the masked robbers, then yes it would be reasonable to
> >>> suspect you might have been involved. Supposedly he paid for his $2000
> >>> Mustang with $20 bills. No the numbers were not sequential.
> >>>> Which person did I call a WC defender?
> >>> You didn’t make that clear, I assume you meant the reporter since you
> >>> wrote “Suspect? How about some proof? Never from a WC defender” after
> >>> I cited his article – I had not figured out that you had not read the
> >>> article.
> >> You can assume anything you want. But don't put words in my mouth.
> > If you don't want to be misunderstood you shouldn't make vague
> > comments
> >>>>> This topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I also
> >>>>> doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it.
> >>>> That's the best policy. Don't dig yourself in any further. Just try to
> >>>> cover it up and move on.
> >>> No, this topic has nothing to do with the topic of my paper, which I
> >>> also doubt you read, I have nothing more to say about it
> >>> I’m tired of this pointless ping-pong, you pretty obviously haven’t
> >>> read my paper let alone the sources I cited in response to your
> >>> tangential questions. From this point forward I will only address
> >>> points relating to Ray’s claimed alibi and the witness descriptions of
> >>> theMustangson Main St. I consider Jower’s “confession” relevant
> >>> because he was one of the witnesses I cited but unless you can rebut
> >>> the point made in the DoJ report there is no point in discussing it
> >>> with you.
> >> I am just interested in your propaganda methodology and mindset.
> > If you thunk my paper was "propaganda" then point to any errors of
> > fact or logic, I won't hold my breath.
