The ghost, ring and watch of LHO
Olaf M. Willems
A third backyard photograph also existed, which had been found in the
search of Ruth Paine's house and garage - and was pocketed by DP-Man
Roscoe White. This photo, which supposedly remained in the possession of
the DPD, was kept under wraps and never submitted to the WC as evidence.
Marina Oswald, when shown the other two photos during her testimony to
the WC, initially stated that she had taken only one photo, not two (or
three). The "missing" photograph was discovered by the Schweiker-
Committee during its investigation in 1976. The most alarming aspect of
these photos is that they were created and planted before the
assassination in order to frame Oswald. During the 1976 Scheiker Hart
assassination investigation, the third photo was found in the possession
of Geneva Dees, the widow of Officer Roscoe White. White, who had been a
photographic technician for the DP, had probably been involved in making
the re-enactment photos seen on p.170 of Robert Groden`s TKOAP.
(There was, reputedly, a fourth photo found by Oswald`s mother,
Marguerite. She destroyed it. The picture showed Oswald holding the
rifle over his head in both hands.)
Why do I post this? On p.170 TKOAP you can see the third photo (Oswald`s
ghost) and with one look you can see easily the fakery. Look to the left
hand which holds the rifle. You can see a big, silver shinning watch AND
a ring (army/university). These applications can't be seen on CE 133-A,
CE 133-B or the enlargement CE-134. If the third photo was shown to
Oswald while in the interrogation with Cap. Fritz one look of Oswald was
enough that he could declare the photos to fakery.
Is this correct?
Greetings from Germany
Olaf M. Willems
"Ich bin ein Bonner!"
Lincoln Clark
Willems) wrote:
>Greetings!
>A third backyard photograph also existed, which had been found in the
>search of Ruth Paine's house and garage - and was pocketed by DP-Man
>Roscoe White. This photo, which supposedly remained in the possession of
>the DPD, was kept under wraps and never submitted to the WC as evidence.
>Marina Oswald, when shown the other two photos during her testimony to
>the WC, initially stated that she had taken only one photo, not two (or
>three). The "missing" photograph was discovered by the Schweiker-
>Committee during its investigation in 1976. The most alarming aspect of
>these photos is that they were created and planted before the
>assassination in order to frame Oswald.
Olaf:
That's quite a revelation, as you state it. It implies that
other film "evidence" could have been manufactured prior to
the assassination.
I'm not familiar with the work of the committee you cite;
can you fill us (me) in on its origins and other findings?
I have considered the possibility that the entire JFK
assassination scenario was a fabrication intended to
rationalize the transfer of power that occurred that day --
a parody of the Ford Theatre event almost exactly 100
years earlier. I personally don't think you could use the
film evidence to prove conclusively (in court) that JFK was
even in the city of Dallas on Nov.23. Nothing would stand
up under cross-examination, IMO.
Many thanks for the post. Best regards, Lincoln
Barb Junkkarinen
wrote:
>Greetings!
>A third backyard photograph also existed, which had been found in the
>search of Ruth Paine's house and garage - and was pocketed by DP-Man
>Roscoe White. This photo, which supposedly remained in the possession of
>the DPD, was kept under wraps and never submitted to the WC as evidence.
>Marina Oswald, when shown the other two photos during her testimony to
>the WC, initially stated that she had taken only one photo, not two (or
>three). The "missing" photograph was discovered by the Schweiker-
>Committee during its investigation in 1976. The most alarming aspect of
>these photos is that they were created and planted before the
>assassination in order to frame Oswald. During the 1976 Scheiker Hart
>assassination investigation, the third photo was found in the possession
>of Geneva Dees, the widow of Officer Roscoe White. White, who had been a
>photographic technician for the DP, had probably been involved in making
>the re-enactment photos seen on p.170 of Robert Groden`s TKOAP.
>(There was, reputedly, a fourth photo found by Oswald`s mother,
>Marguerite. She destroyed it. The picture showed Oswald holding the
>rifle over his head in both hands.)
>Why do I post this? On p.170 TKOAP you can see the third photo (Oswald`s
>ghost) and with one look you can see easily the fakery. Look to the left
>hand which holds the rifle. You can see a big, silver shinning watch AND
>a ring (army/university). These applications can't be seen on CE 133-A,
>CE 133-B or the enlargement CE-134. If the third photo was shown to
>Oswald while in the interrogation with Cap. Fritz one look of Oswald was
>enough that he could declare the photos to fakery.
>
>Is this correct?
>
>Greetings from Germany
>Olaf M. Willems
>"Ich bin ein Bonner!"
Hi Olaf,
In photos 133A and 133B, Oswald's position and the clarity of the
photos does not aford a look at his wrist at all, though a ring can be
seen on the ring finger of his left hand if you look closely. In 133C,
his position is such that you can see the ring and band on his arm.
Now look at the arrest photo...the one where he has his fist in the
air.......the ring can be seen clearly (it was a USMC ring given to
him by his brother) and you can also see a band around his wrist (in
addition to the handcuff)........I don't know if it is a watch or his
ID bracelet though....which he was known to where and is listed among
his possessions that day.
Barb :-)
Olaf M. Willems
>
> On 24 Oct 1998 10:10:27 GMT, Cars...@t-online.de (Olaf M.
> Willems) wrote:
>
> >Greetings!
>
> >A third backyard photograph also existed, which had been found in the
> >search of Ruth Paine's house and garage - and was pocketed by DP-Man
> >Roscoe White. This photo, which supposedly remained in the possession of
> >the DPD, was kept under wraps and never submitted to the WC as evidence.
> >Marina Oswald, when shown the other two photos during her testimony to
> >the WC, initially stated that she had taken only one photo, not two (or
> >three). The "missing" photograph was discovered by the Schweiker-
> >Committee during its investigation in 1976. The most alarming aspect of
> >these photos is that they were created and planted before the
> >assassination in order to frame Oswald.
>
>
> That's quite a revelation, as you state it. It implies that
> other film "evidence" could have been manufactured prior to
> the assassination.
>
> I'm not familiar with the work of the committee you cite;
> can you fill us (me) in on its origins and other findings?
>
> I have considered the possibility that the entire JFK
> assassination scenario was a fabrication intended to
> rationalize the transfer of power that occurred that day --
> a parody of the Ford Theatre event almost exactly 100
> years earlier. I personally don't think you could use the
> film evidence to prove conclusively (in court) that JFK was
> even in the city of Dallas on Nov.23. Nothing would stand
> up under cross-examination, IMO.
>
> Many thanks for the post. Best regards, Lincoln
Dear Lincoln,
sorry, that wasn`t a revealation it was cited.
As a matter of fact you did snip the most important part.
While Oswald is wearing his weeding ring on CE 133-A,
on the so-called third photo which was found later as
described above Oswald is wearing a big silver-shinning
watch and a ring supposedly of the Army or a University.
This photo does match perfectly to CE 133/134, it seems
as it were a series of photos, but do simply show that
the corpse isn't Oswald.
Do you know which photo I am reffering to?
Please look up: TKOAP, p.169-170, and your issue of the WR, p.126,
then you will see exactly the above mentioned fault of the producers.
Schweiker-Hart-Committee was a Subcommittee of the Rockefeller-
Commission. This committee, headed by the senators Richard Schweiker
and Gary Hart, investigated the JFK-assassination with hired indepen-
dent private investigators. The investigation was kept mainly out of
sight of the press. On June,23 1976 the final report was released and
stated that "experienced substantial interference by US-intelligance-
agencies" was found. I don`t have this report entirely...if you get
a copy, let me know.
Greetings from Germany
Olaf M. Willems
"Avoid them like the plaque"
Nice advice of Mrs. Bush to Hillary Clinton
Olaf M. Willems
>
> On 24 Oct 1998 10:10:27 GMT, Cars...@t-online.de (Olaf M. Willems)
> wrote:
>
> >Greetings!
> >A third backyard photograph also existed, which had been found in the
> >search of Ruth Paine's house and garage - and was pocketed by DP-Man
> >Roscoe White. This photo, which supposedly remained in the possession of
> >the DPD, was kept under wraps and never submitted to the WC as evidence.
> >Marina Oswald, when shown the other two photos during her testimony to
> >the WC, initially stated that she had taken only one photo, not two (or
> >three). The "missing" photograph was discovered by the Schweiker-
> >Committee during its investigation in 1976. The most alarming aspect of
> >these photos is that they were created and planted before the
> >assassination investigation, the third photo was found in the possession
> >of Geneva Dees, the widow of Officer Roscoe White. White, who had been a
> >photographic technician for the DP, had probably been involved in making
> >the re-enactment photos seen on p.170 of Robert Groden`s TKOAP.
> >(There was, reputedly, a fourth photo found by Oswald`s mother,
> >Marguerite. She destroyed it. The picture showed Oswald holding the
> >rifle over his head in both hands.)
> >Why do I post this? On p.170 TKOAP you can see the third photo (Oswald`s
> >ghost) and with one look you can see easily the fakery. Look to the left
> >hand which holds the rifle. You can see a big, silver shinning watch AND
> >a ring (army/university). These applications can't be seen on CE 133-A,
> >CE 133-B or the enlargement CE-134. If the third photo was shown to
> >Oswald while in the interrogation with Cap. Fritz one look of Oswald was
> >enough that he could declare the photos to fakery.
> >
> >Is this correct?
> >
> >Olaf M. Willems
> Hi Olaf,
>
> In photos 133A and 133B, Oswald's position and the clarity of the
> photos does not aford a look at his wrist at all, though a ring can be
> seen on the ring finger of his left hand if you look closely. In 133C,
> his position is such that you can see the ring and band on his arm.
> Now look at the arrest photo...the one where he has his fist in the
> air.......the ring can be seen clearly (it was a USMC ring given to
> him by his brother) and you can also see a band around his wrist (in
> addition to the handcuff)........I don't know if it is a watch or his
> ID bracelet though....which he was known to where and is listed among
> his possessions that day.
>
> Barb :-)
Hi Barb,
Thank you for your answer...I haven`t noticed that the "ghost of LHO"
is CE 133-C. Did I get this right? Concerning the ID-bracelet versus
watch, you can easily see that it is a watch, maybe I am so sure because
I collect watches...but I haven`t the technican possibilities to
verify it. Concerning the ring, the blow-up on TKOAP, p.112, it`s CE
134,
shows that it's his weeding ring. In CE 133-C, the "ghost-picture",
it's,
I assume, the USMC-ring.
Do you know if the photos were taken in series?
Barb Junkkarinen
wrote:
Well, Olaf, I don't know.<g> The "ghost" would sem to me to be the pic
with the blank white cutout in it, of course no jewelery can be seen
in that pic, si I think you are talking about 133C which wasn't
discovered til years after the event.
>Concerning the ID-bracelet versus
>watch, you can easily see that it is a watch, maybe I am so sure because
>I collect watches...but I haven`t the technican possibilities to
>verify it.
Could be either, I reckon....I don't know. He was known to wear and ID
bracelet though and there is a picture of it in evidence.
> Concerning the ring, the blow-up on TKOAP, p.112, it`s CE
>134,
>shows that it's his weeding ring. In CE 133-C, the "ghost-picture",
>it's,
>I assume, the USMC-ring.
>Do you know if the photos were taken in series?
The photos were supposed to have all been taken at the same
time....but I don't know which was taken before any other one.
As for the ring, I can barely make out that he is wearing a ring in
the photo on pg 112 of TKOAP....certainly not well enough to
differentiate it between a wedding band and his USMC ring.
>
>Greetings from Germany
My husband has been in Germany on business this week.....just left
there today for merry old England. Are you anywhere near Saarbrucken?
Barb :-)
>Olaf M. Willems
Dreitzes
>From: bar...@ix.netcom.com (Barb Junkkarinen)
>Date: Sat, Oct 24, 1998 15:58 EDT
>Message-id: <36323012....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
*********************************
From Dave Reitzes:
Take a look at the tree branches visible over the wall in back of the various
"backyard" photos. CE 133-A, 133-B and 133-C show the trees to be thick with
leaves (consistent with the testimony that they were taken in the spring) while
the "ghost picture" or cut-out version and the unretouched reenactment photo
(top left, TKOAP, p. 170) show the tree to be virtually bare (consistent with
the testimony that they were taken after the assassination, in the winter).
Now look at the unretouched reenactment photo (top left) and try to view it for
the two dimensional image it is; in other words, try to tune out the depth in
the photo. (Painters in the fine arts are generally trained to do this when
painting from life.) Find the small, dark, rectangular shape located directly
over the lawman's head at about an eleven o'clock or eleven-thirty position. It
appears to be a window that has been bricked over on the neighboring house.
Found it?
Okay. Now look at the obviously retouched reenactment photo (TKOAP, p. 170, top
right). Find the same bricked-over window in this picture. Notice that it's not
in the same position in relation to the rearmost wooden post of the staircase.
The window appears lower, and its left edge is slightly obscured by the post.
(It's also been unnaturally darkened like many other details in this photo, and
the tree branches have been retouched to look fuller. These details aren't
important; they were apparently just done to make the retouched version LOOK as
retouched as possible.) The camera lens has shifted slightly to the right and
is higher.
Everybody with me so far?
Okay. Now look at the same bricked-over window in the cut-out version or "ghost
picture" (TKOAP, p. 170, center). The window is farther right and higher in
relation to the post than in the obviously retouched reenactment photo (but
slightly lower than in the unretouched reenactment photo). In other words, the
camera lens is in a different position in each picture, and we can judge this
by certain "landmarks" in the pictures themselves.
Is this important? Only if you want to know where the "ghost picture" came
from.
Turn to page 168 and look at the large photo in the center, the wide-angle
backyard view. Find the bricked-over window. Notice it appears to be in the
exact same position as in the "ghost picture."
Also notice on page 168 the unusual shadow that darkens a little less than the
top third of the roughly four-foot-tall bush towards the right, the same bush
that is visible at the right of all the "backyard" photos. This shadow looks
unnatural and could conceivably have been retouched already, but that's not
important.
Notice that nothing even vaguely like this shadow appears in CE 133-A, -B and
-C, although it is similar to the one in the unretouched reenactment photo.
Okay, still with me? This shadowed area of the bush is partly cut from the
"ghost picture," but careful study of the details of the bush that are still
visible around the edge of the excision. The bush appears to have been
artifically darkened just below the "ghost" image of Oswald's left arm (on the
right to the viewer -- the arm holding the rifle). However, as far as the
natural details go, this appears to be the same exact photograph as the
wide-angle photo in the center of page 168. From some of the odd minute details
that are visible, I can state confidently that the photo that was cut to make
the "ghost picture" was one of two things: It was either the exact same
photograph as the one in the center of page 168, or a second photograph taken
at approximately the same time, with the camera situated on a tripod, keeping
the angle precisely the same. In all probability, it is the same photograph as
the one on TKOAP, page 168.
Obviously, the "ghost" image was cut out to approximate Oswald's figure in CE
133-C, the one that turned out in the Whites' possession. (There is also -- for
reasons I don't know -- a white line running almost vertically, angled just
slightly towards the left, just to the left of the "Oswald" cut-out.)
I could only guess why this cut-out was made. The common-sense explanation is
that it was an intermediate step in the creation of the police reenactment
photo. There is no way I know to prove or disprove this. The photo was only
found something like ten years ago, which means it could have been created long
after the assassination for unknown reasons.
But one thing is clear: The "ghost image" has absolutely nothing to do with the
alleged forgery of any of the "backyard" photos.
Dave Reitzes
drei...@aol.com
Olaf M. Willems
Wow, what an answer...thanks a lot for such an detailed description.
Any thoughts about the watch or the ring? (TKOAP, p.112 versus TKOAP,
p.170 bottom)
Olaf M. Willems
snip/snip
Dreitzes
Date: Sat, Oct 24, 1998 11:30 EDT
Message-id: 3631f27a...@news.compuserve.com>
Olaf:
That's quite a revelation, as you state it. It implies that other film
"evidence" could have been manufactured prior to the assassination.
I'm not familiar with the work of the committee you cite; can you fill us (me)
in on its origins and other findings?
I have considered the possibility that the entire JFK assassination scenario
was a fabrication intended to rationalize the transfer of power that occurred
that day -- a parody of the Ford Theatre event almost exactly 100
years earlier. I personally don't think you could use the film evidence to
prove conclusively (in court) that JFK was even in the city of Dallas on
Nov.23. Nothing would stand up under cross-examination, IMO.
Many thanks for the post. Best regards, Lincoln
*********************************
This is my favorite post ever. Not counting my own.
Dave Reitzes
Terrell Miller
>Wow, what an answer...thanks a lot for such an detailed description.
>Any thoughts about the watch or the ring? (TKOAP, p.112 versus TKOAP,
>p.170 bottom)
>
>Olaf M. Willems
>
>snip/snip
>>
>> From Dave Reitzes:
>>
>> <snip a vaqery rigorous and well-done analysis>
To Dave, I second Olaf's words. Very good job!
To Olaf: someone else recently posted a good analysis of this, the
gist of which is that, in one shot (I don't know which are -A, -B and
-C), LHO's knuckles are the only part of his hand visible, so his
watch is hidden, but you can see a ring. In the other his hand is in
shadow/out of focus, so it's hard to make out more than general
shapes. But you see a dark band around his wrist consistent with a
watchband.
terrel...@mindspring.com Ordo Pantheris
"I found a delivery in my flaw."
-baseball player Dan Quisenberry (1953-1998) on his unique pitching style.
We miss you, Dan.
pjb...@my-dejanews.com
ken...@gmx.net wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> Wow, what an answer...thanks a lot for such an detailed description.
> Any thoughts about the watch or the ring? (TKOAP, p.112 versus TKOAP,
> p.170 bottom)
>
> Olaf M. Willems
>
> snip/snip
> >
As detailed as all this photo analysis is, it fails to provide for the
obvious changes in position of the cameraman for each of the DPD photos,
which were taken on the Monday after the assassination. That's the only
substantive change in the DPD photos. The window in the background house
moves as the cameraman changes his viewpoint. The "wide angle photo" on p.
168 is another DPD photo taken that same day. The "darkened bush" to the
right of the actual Oswald photos is dark because it's in the shade of
something out of the field of view. Don't invent mystery if it's not needed.
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