Re: Is Ricland a party to Vietnam war atrocities?
aeffects
> Mega-Kook Ricland, in addition to being one of the world's foremost
> authorities on the JFK assassination, apparently also served in
> Vietnam and was a party to war crimes.
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> According to Ricland, he personally witnessed a fellow soldier murder
> an innocent civilian, and incredibly, a non-commissioned officer
> nearby simply told the murderous thug-in-uniform to simply to "cut
> that s--- out."
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> Here are Ricland's words from another thread:
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> Try this:
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> First say in-country, a short-timer says to me, "See that gook taking
> a
> shit in the rice paddy over there? Bet I can hit him."
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> I laugh.
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> The guy aims and shoots the man dead. Our Sargent looks over and
> says,
> "Bubba, cut that shit out, you hear?"
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> How's that?
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> Ricland:
>
> OK, Ricland...enough of trying to solve JFK's murder. Let's solve the
> murder you are guilty by complicity of silence in covering up.
>
> I want:
>
> 1.) The branch of service you served in, including the unit and
> location in 'Nam where the incident occurred, as well as the date of
> the crime.
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> 2.) Name the shooter, non-commissioned officer and any other pertinent
> details.
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> You've really stepped in it, Ricland. Here you are trying to 'solve' a
> 43+ year old murder when, in fact, you are personally guilty of
> complicity by silence of war crimes committed in Vietnam.
>
> What a hypocrite you are. Does the life of that poor rice farmer
> 12,000 miles away matter less than John F. Kennedy's?
>
> You're a gutless coward and an admitted war criminal, yet you've done
> nothing to right this wrong. Instead, you accuse all sorts of innocent
> people in the death of JFK.
>
> Look in the mirror, killer.
evidently, stumps such as yourself have short memories, more than
likely, NO memory -- If your were a Vietnam Veteran, you'd know what
I'm talking about.... so drop Sen. John Kerry a note he knows all to
well about these situations, they were well publicized -- You a
armchair Cyber-warrior too? Do your homework, you fucking gutless
wonder-idiot, pussy!
Todd W. Vaughan
Turtle,
"you fucking gutless wonder-idiot, pussy!"
Got yo be your one of your best lines ever.
Hare
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aeffects
I had 5 more but ran out of comma's
Todd W. Vaughan
Aeffects, they're free, the comma's, they don't cost anything, you
don't have to pay for them, feel free to use them, as many as you
want, anytime.
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take note: I'm not talking to your idiot alter ego, Thomas "Mel
Ayton's personal KNOB-POLISHER-Lower_y"
Google *Winter Soldier*
aeffects
no shit?
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> I started a thread about Ricland's claim that he personally witnessed
> another American soldier kill an innocent civilian in cold blood who
> was simply using the bathroom. What are you blathering about?
google *winter soldier*. Scenes like that were witnessed by MANY!
> I've asked Ricland to post some verification of his service and some
> other details about the alleged incident.
Todd W. Vaughan
You bet.
BTW, are you still rendering?
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> Incidents of real American war atrocities are/were rare. Unlike our
> enemies, when we find such incidents, our guys are prosecuted and
> jailed. Officers have their careers wrecked, and we often pay
> restitution to victims.
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> I have a specific set of questions for Ricland. You keep jumping in
> and posting pointless drivel.
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> Aren't you concerned that a poster here is part of a 40 year cover up
> of a murder? Why do you ignore Riclands own words. Here is a real,
> live murder mystery, right here at acj., and you can do something
> about it. Join me in asking for Ricland the War Criminal to explain
> himself.
fuck off, asshole.... how the hell would you know -- a little birdie
tell you? Your not fit to mention the words "Vietnam Veteran",much
alone question one -- so fuck off... You want to play Vietnam War she
said he said games, log on to alt.war.vietnam. Stay on point, JFK! Not
Ricland wasn't assassinated.....
RICLAND
You're out the line, Chuck.
You're meddling with things you don't understand.
I didn't share my reaction, but here it is:
The key part of the story you didn't grasp was that it was "my first day
in-country." I didn't know the guy was a homicidal maniac. He probably
didn't know himself. I laughed when he said "I bet I can hit that gook"
because I thought he was joking. When he pointed his 16 at him, I
expected him to say something like "Bang, you're dead." I was speechless
when he actually pulled the trigger then absolutely brain be-numbed when
all the Sargent said was, "Cut that shit out."
Anyway, I told a white lie at the end. He didn't kill the old guy,
didn't even wound him. Miraculously, the shot went through the old man's
straw hat, knocking him into the rice paddy. And you should have seen
that old guy screaming at us like bloody murder when he got up out of
the water. Screaming ancients curses, I suspect, which might have
actually worked. The smart ass who did the shooting caught a bullet in
the head himself not long after.
--
Ricland:
Reclaiming History ...???
The Rebuttal to Bugliosi's JFK Assassination Book
http://jfkhit.com
David Von Pein
You never run out of needless and incorrectly-used apostrophes though.
(Like above.)
David Von Pein
So, the difference between "shoots the man dead" and "didn't even
wound him" is, per Ricland....
"A white lie".
Nice coloring job there.
Geez.
RICLAND
> On May 4, 5:04 pm, RICLAND <blackwr...@lycos.com> wrote:
>> chuck schuyler wrote:
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> So, you lied.
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> Now admit that you never served in Vietnam, and life can go on.
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SHORT!
You have no idea what that means. But believe me, to anyone who was over
there, I just established all the creds I need.
ricland
YoHarvey
I served over there and you established NO "creds"
as you call them with me. Vietnam vets by nature
have refused to discuss their time in country even
with members of their immediate families. The internet
has allowed many phonies such as you to "enhance" their
biographies with war hero stories and all that entails. In
reality, your self esteem and self respect are so low you
feel the need to impress total strangers with outlandish
stories to simply impress. As you've done with the JFK
story, you've shown absolutely no knowledge of Vietnam
or what it meant to serve. You sir are a disgrace.
YoHarvey
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> Just FYI...
> Over in another newsgroup, Ricland has become our resident troll. He
> recently posted that he'll be 50 years old next month, which would
> have put him at the ripe old age of 15 at the time of the signing of
> the Paris Peace Accords.
Ricland stated he was 19, right out of high school and during the
Tet Offensive he was on a chopper and ordered to shoot at VC.
Tet was in January, 1968 which means he was born in 1949
which would make him 57-58 right now. As I said, he's a damn
liar.
YoHarvey
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>From another poster:
RICLAND
"Vietnam vets by nature have refused to discuss their time in country...?
Get the fuck out of here with that comic book shit. Nam vets have been
the biggest blabber mouths since ... well, since the beginning of time.
I'm not even going to dignify this stupid crap with a reply.
Idiot.
And where and when did you serve?
And you better know your shit.
YoHarvey
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I'm not even going to dignify this stupid crap with a reply.
Did you just now not attempt to dignify with a replay?
You must truly believe those on this forum to be idiots
on your level. According to another poster, you claimed
your 50th birthday was soon to be. How then sir could you
have served in Vietnam? Is this other poster from another
forum lying? What would be his motive? Ricland? You
are implying "the world is out to get you". Why so paranoid?
Why the need to lie about Vietnam? What is your motive?
RICLAND
I'll explain that directly. But you wrote this:
"I served over there and you established NO "creds"
Where in Vietnam did you serve, YoHarvey?
With who and what was your mos?
YoHarvey
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> > I'm not even going to dignify this stupid crap with a reply.
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> > Did you just now not attempt to dignify with a replay?
> > You must truly believe those on this forum to be idiots
> > on your level. According to another poster, you claimed
> > your 50th birthday was soon to be. How then sir could you
> > have served in Vietnam? Is this other poster from another
> > forum lying? What would be his motive? Ricland? You
> > are implying "the world is out to get you". Why so paranoid?
> > Why the need to lie about Vietnam? What is your motive?
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> I'll explain that directly. But you wrote this:
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> "I served over there and you established NO "creds"
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> Where in Vietnam did you serve, YoHarvey?
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> With who and what was your mos?
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> ricland
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> Ricland:
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> http://www.riclanders.com/
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> Reclaiming History ...???
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Explain it right now!
YoHarvey
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> > I'm not even going to dignify this stupid crap with a reply.
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> > Did you just now not attempt to dignify with a replay?
> > You must truly believe those on this forum to be idiots
> > on your level. According to another poster, you claimed
> > your 50th birthday was soon to be. How then sir could you
> > have served in Vietnam? Is this other poster from another
> > forum lying? What would be his motive? Ricland? You
> > are implying "the world is out to get you". Why so paranoid?
> > Why the need to lie about Vietnam? What is your motive?
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> I'll explain that directly. But you wrote this:
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> "I served over there and you established NO "creds"
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> Where in Vietnam did you serve, YoHarvey?
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> With who and what was your mos?
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> ricland
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> Ricland:
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> http://www.riclanders.com/
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> Reclaiming History ...???
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As a 23 year old Lt(jg) USN, I underwent SERE training at Coronado,
CA. in May, 1966.
I left for Vietnam via Nellis AFB, San Bernadino, CA. in June,
arriving at the U.S. Naval Support Activity, DaNang, RVN June 26th.
The Navy in I Corps was led by Admiral Thomas Weschler who answered to
Lt. Gen. Lewis Walt, USMC commander of 3rd MAF. I served at Naval
HQ'ers, the White Elephant, as CMCO (Classified Material Control
Officer). Unlike the Army, the Navy did not have MOS's. Naval
Officers had "designators". My designator was 163X, Special Duty
Officer, Intelligence.
I extended my tour on two occassions finally leaving RVN in September,
1968. I joined the ONI in Washington, D.C. as a civilian consultant.
I was awarded the Purple Heart for injuries received on a PCF at Dong
Ha, RVN on February 1, 1968.
RICLAND
I was in DaNang in 68'. Describe the part of the town we controlled.
aeffects
have been published, in a book, yet?
Walt
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> > > I'm not even going to dignify this stupid crap with a reply.
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> > > Did you just now not attempt to dignify with a replay?
> > > You must truly believe those on this forum to be idiots
> > > on your level. According to another poster, you claimed
> > > your 50th birthday was soon to be. How then sir could you
> > > have served in Vietnam? Is this other poster from another
> > > forum lying? What would be his motive? Ricland? You
> > > are implying "the world is out to get you". Why so paranoid?
> > > Why the need to lie about Vietnam? What is your motive?
>
> > I'll explain that directly. But you wrote this:
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> > "I served over there and you established NO "creds"
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> > Where in Vietnam did you serve, YoHarvey?
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> > With who and what was your mos?
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> > ricland
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> > Ricland:
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> >http://www.riclanders.com/
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> CA. in May, 1966.
> I left for Vietnam via Nellis AFB, San Bernadino, CA. in June,
> arriving at the U.S. Naval Support Activity, DaNang, RVN June 26th.
> The Navy in I Corps was led by Admiral Thomas Weschler who answered to
> Lt. Gen. Lewis Walt, USMC commander of 3rd MAF. I served at Naval
> HQ'ers, the White Elephant, as CMCO (Classified Material Control
> Officer). Unlike the Army, the Navy did not have MOS's. Naval
> Officers had "designators". My designator was 163X, Special Duty
> Officer, Intelligence.
> I extended my tour on two occassions finally leaving RVN in September,
> 1968. I joined the ONI in Washington, D.C. as a civilian consultant.
> I was awarded the Purple Heart for injuries received on a PCF at Dong
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You was a consultant for ONI...... and you were with intelligence in
Da Nang....
That probably explains why you're a Lner...... Very few people who
were employed by a U.S.intelligence agency are CT's.
WHY??? Because CT is the abbreviation for Conspiracy
"Theorist"...... And many people involved in intelligence have no need
to "theorize" .....They KNOW that JFK was murdered by a cabal, and
they think the murder was the right way to get rid of a communist in
control of the country.
Walt
eca...@tx.rr.com
another VN war vet but my God, I guarantee you
this story by you is a 100% crock-of-shit.
RIC ON:
"The key part of the story you didn't grasp was
that it was "my first day in-country." I didn't
know the guy was a homicidal maniac. He probably
didn't know himself. I laughed when he said "I
bet I can hit that gook" because I thought he
was joking. When he pointed his 16 at him, I
expected him to say something like "Bang, you're
dead." I was speechless
when he actually pulled the trigger then
absolutely brain be-numbed when all the Sargent
said was, "Cut that shit out."
Anyway, I told a white lie at the end. He didn't
kill the old guy, didn't even wound him.
Miraculously, the shot went through the old man's
straw hat, knocking him into the rice paddy. And
you should have seen that old guy screaming at us
like bloody murder when he got up out of the water.
Screaming ancients curses, I suspect, which might
have actually worked. The smart ass who did the
shooting caught a bullet in the head himself not
RIC OFF
Your first day(s) are processing in a highly
secure area such as DaNang. The processing area is
crawling wall to wall chock full of guys who will
bust your ass for the slightest funny stuff. You
don't just walk up to a gook and shoot him!
That's 99.9999% movie stuff.. I never saw it or
ever heard about it.. Never.
Ric this is also made-up *fiction*:
RIC ON:
"I was speechless when he actually pulled the
trigger then absolutely brain be-numbed when all
the Sargent said was, "Cut that shit out."
So is this:
RIC ON:
"Miraculously, the shot went through the old man's
straw hat, knocking him into the rice paddy. And
you should have seen that old guy screaming at us
like bloody murder when he got up out of the water.
Screaming ancients curses, I suspect, which might
have actually worked. The smart ass who did the
shooting caught a bullet in the head himself not
long after."
"pointed his 16 at him" Yikes! This is bullshit Ric.
Ed Cage 1301May507
US Army 1966-1969 (Volunteered)
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> > > I'm not even going to dignify this stupid crap with a reply.
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> > > Did you just now not attempt to dignify with a replay?
> > > You must truly believe those on this forum to be idiots
> > > on your level. According to another poster, you claimed
> > > your 50th birthday was soon to be. How then sir could you
> > > have served in Vietnam? Is this other poster from another
> > > forum lying? What would be his motive? Ricland? You
> > > are implying "the world is out to get you". Why so paranoid?
> > > Why the need to lie about Vietnam? What is your motive?
>
> > I'll explain that directly. But you wrote this:
>
> > "I served over there and you established NO "creds"
>
> > Where in Vietnam did you serve, YoHarvey?
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> > With who and what was your mos?
>
> > ricland
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> > Ricland:
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> >http://www.riclanders.com/
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> > Reclaiming History ...???
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