==> Be warned !
François Carlier
Yesterday was a special date : November, 22nd.
46 years ago, President Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald,
acting alone.
46 years ago, a run-of-the-mill man, named Robert Groden, turned 18, started
his journey in wonderland, wasting 100% of his time not only swimming in
self-delusion, bad faith and nonsense, but also misinforming (and even lying
to) the American people.
A while ago, Groden accepted me in his Facebook list. Yesterday, I sent him
a message, asserting Oswald was the lone assassin and saying I hoped he,
Groden, would eventually admit the truth.
His reaction ? He erased my message from his wall.
You see, Groden lives in his lies, and does not want anybody telling the
truth on his Facebook wall.
OK, I immediately ERASED HIM from my Facebook list.
You see, I don't like liars, and don't want intolerant people on my list.
Simply said, I brushed him aside, as he does not deserve my respect at all.
Groden is a stupid man. He has done a lot of harm to the American people. I,
for one, dare say it.
I am proud NOT to be Groden's friend !
I will always have the courage to fight liars, and conspiracy theorists who
spend their lives spreading nonsense.
Hey, you, the conspiracy theorists, who can do nothing but lie and spread
nonsense, be warned : you will always find me blocking your way !
/F.C./
Robert Harris
Monsieur Carlier, what do you think of people who are so closed minded
that they refuse to examine evidence which proves them wrong?
Please look at this video and tell me if you disagree,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql6VqZDiC6s
Robert Harris
In article <4b0ac72a$0$908$ba4a...@news.orange.fr>,
David Von Pein
Bob Harris, living in his world of "Z285" fantasies, actually thinks
his subjective opinions about the JFK case have proven the LNers
wrong.
Nothing is ever likely to cure Mr. Harris of his eternal affliction of
"SUBJECTIVE-ITIS", but I've given it a pretty good college try 6 times
in the last few weeks (below).
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BATTLING ROBERT HARRIS (AGAIN) [A RECENT 6-PART SERIES]:
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8b7ebb42d9f5d0c6
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a1b7257f83d3570f
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9e32a8d6550ab3b5
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/26bb6edba1209122
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c35b8c60d20fe979
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/560f8f0ea1ab8734
Ben Holmes
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Carlier?= says...
>
>Hello everybody
>
>Yesterday was a special date : November, 22nd.
>
>46 years ago, President Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald,
>acting alone.
You can't, however, deal with the evidence.
>46 years ago, a run-of-the-mill man, named Robert Groden, turned 18, started
>his journey in wonderland, wasting 100% of his time not only swimming in
>self-delusion, bad faith and nonsense, but also misinforming (and even lying
>to) the American people.
Most Americans wouldn't even know his name. Yet the overwhelming majority of
Americans believe in a conspiracy.
>A while ago, Groden accepted me in his Facebook list. Yesterday, I sent him
>a message, asserting Oswald was the lone assassin and saying I hoped he,
>Groden, would eventually admit the truth.
>
>His reaction ? He erased my message from his wall.
If you can't support your assertion, why would anyone be interested in it?
>You see, Groden lives in his lies, and does not want anybody telling the
>truth on his Facebook wall.
>
>OK, I immediately ERASED HIM from my Facebook list.
>
>You see, I don't like liars,
Hate yourself? Must not be a very happy life you lead...
>and don't want intolerant people on my list.
>Simply said, I brushed him aside, as he does not deserve my respect at all.
>
>Groden is a stupid man. He has done a lot of harm to the American people. I,
>for one, dare say it.
>
>I am proud NOT to be Groden's friend !
>
>I will always have the courage to fight liars,
No you don't. If you did, you'd answer the 45 Questions...
Evidence is what you have to run from... embarrassing, isn't it?
>and conspiracy theorists who
>spend their lives spreading nonsense.
>
>Hey, you, the conspiracy theorists, who can do nothing but lie and spread
>nonsense, be warned : you will always find me blocking your way !
>
>/F.C./
Oh, were that only true... but you're too much the coward to debate the evidence
with anyone who knows it.
--
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Ben Holmes
Learn to Make Money with a Website - http://www.burningknife.com
François Carlier
"Ben Holmes" <ad...@burningknife.com> a �crit dans le message de
news:heejr...@drn.newsguy.com...
> In article <4b0ac72a$0$908$ba4a...@news.orange.fr>,
> =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Carlier?= says...
>>
>>Hello everybody
>>
>>Yesterday was a special date : November, 22nd.
>>
>>46 years ago, President Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald,
>>acting alone.
>
>
> You can't, however, deal with the evidence.
>
>
>>46 years ago, a run-of-the-mill man, named Robert Groden, turned 18,
>>started
>>his journey in wonderland, wasting 100% of his time not only swimming in
>>self-delusion, bad faith and nonsense, but also misinforming (and even
>>lying
>>to) the American people.
>
>
> Most Americans wouldn't even know his name. Yet the overwhelming majority
> of
> Americans believe in a conspiracy.
---> Yes, they do. That's because there are a lot of "Grodens" out there.
There are several conspiracy theorists (Groden + Fetzer + White + Lifton +
Marrs + Aguilar + Lane + etc.), so the "Groden's effect" (= spreading lies
and disinformation and nonsense) is increased tenfold, unfortunately. It is
so easy : all you have to do is close your eyes, reject facts and reality,
and make up your own theory. You are free to invent anything. It doesn't
have to make sense, it doesn't have to suit facts, it doesn't have to be
true. So easy. So it comes as no surprise that Groden is not alone in
spreading his nonsense. And the effect is that a majority of people have
been victims (overwhelmed by the lies) but I suspect most of them reject the
nonsense that Groden and his friends are almost the only ones to believe !!!
Robert Harris
<0ac743ae-4d9b-43c1...@v37g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
David Von Pein <davev...@aol.com> wrote:
> Bob Harris, living in his world of "Z285" fantasies, actually thinks
> his subjective opinions about the JFK case have proven the LNers
> wrong.
David, you need to realize that there are only two kinds of people out
there, those who saw the video and those who did not.
When you deliberately lie about the nature of that video, you can only
hope to influence those who have not seen it. But you probably have them
anyway.
Those who have seen it, will realize that you are a liar. Dr. Alvarez's
analysis is hardly "subjective". In fact, he quantified the degree and
the timing of that shot, very specifically.
And the simultaneous reactions which all began within the same 1/6th of
a second have been confirmed, even by people like mcadams and Larry
Sturdevan.
Your lies even contradict your fellow nutters, David. How does it feel
to be human sewage?
Robert Harris
Timelord
"Fran�ois Carlier" <Fra-C...@orange.fr> wrote in message
news:4b0af160$0$986$ba4a...@news.orange.fr...
>
> "Ben Holmes" <ad...@burningknife.com> a ocrit dans le message de
>> In article <4b0ac72a$0$908$ba4a...@news.orange.fr>,
>> =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Carlier?= says...
>>>
>>>Hello everybody
>>>
>>>Yesterday was a special date : November, 22nd.
>>>
>>>46 years ago, President Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald,
>>>acting alone.
>>
>>
>
I am sorry to see that you don't believe in the truth
many of us do. One day the truth will come out ( Oswald did not shoot
anyone ) and the president was hit 4 times ( thanks anyway ).
For those of you who don't like the truth well kindly keep off the grass
--
Thanks,
Timelord
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Ben Holmes
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Carlier?= says...
>
>
>"Ben Holmes" <ad...@burningknife.com> a �crit dans le message de
>news:heejr...@drn.newsguy.com...
>> In article <4b0ac72a$0$908$ba4a...@news.orange.fr>,
>> =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Carlier?= says...
>>>
>>>Hello everybody
>>>
>>>Yesterday was a special date : November, 22nd.
>>>
>>>46 years ago, President Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald,
>>>acting alone.
>>
>>
>> You can't, however, deal with the evidence.
>>
>>
>>>46 years ago, a run-of-the-mill man, named Robert Groden, turned 18,
>>>started
>>>his journey in wonderland, wasting 100% of his time not only swimming in
>>>self-delusion, bad faith and nonsense, but also misinforming (and even
>>>lying
>>>to) the American people.
>>
>>
>> Most Americans wouldn't even know his name. Yet the overwhelming majority
>> of Americans believe in a conspiracy.
>
>
>---> Yes, they do.
Sorry moron - you're simply wrong. You could stand on a street corner and poll
the people walking by, and not even one person out of 100 would recognize Groden
name.
>That's because there are a lot of "Grodens" out there.
>There are several conspiracy theorists (Groden + Fetzer + White + Lifton +
>Marrs + Aguilar + Lane + etc.),
Mark Lane is the *ONLY* name that even a percentage of people would recognize.
>so the "Groden's effect" (= spreading lies
>and disinformation and nonsense) is increased tenfold, unfortunately.
Sadly, you're simply dead wrong. Indeed, it's precisely the opposite... the
traditional mass media and the Educational system is firmly pro-WCR, yet the
American people reject it. And *NOT* based on pro-Conspiracy writings.
>It is
>so easy : all you have to do is close your eyes, reject facts and reality,
>and make up your own theory.
This is precisely what you're doing. I challenge you to debate the actual
evidence.
You won't.
>You are free to invent anything. It doesn't
>have to make sense, it doesn't have to suit facts, it doesn't have to be
>true. So easy. So it comes as no surprise that Groden is not alone in
>spreading his nonsense. And the effect is that a majority of people have
>been victims (overwhelmed by the lies) but I suspect most of them reject the
>nonsense that Groden and his friends are almost the only ones to believe !!!
When all you have is ad hominem attacks, and you refuse to deal with the
evidence, it's quite clear that you lack any honesty.
And still true.
Robert Harris
<183e64d0-9541-4ab1...@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
David Von Pein <davev...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> "How does it feel to be human sewage?" <<<
>
> Go fuck yourself, retard.
Well, I certainly am slow at times. I once was gullible enough to
believe that you were one of those rare nutters who actually believed
what he was pitching.
Robert Harris
François Carlier
"Timelord" <time...@cpbbs.synchro.net.remove-d24-this> a écrit dans le
message de news:4B0B683D.6397...@cpbbs.synchro.net...
>
> "Franτois Carlier" <Fra-C...@orange.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> "Ben Holmes" <ad...@burningknife.com> a ocrit dans le message de
>> news:heejr...@drn.newsguy.com...
>>> In article <4b0ac72a$0$908$ba4a...@news.orange.fr>,
>>> =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Carlier?= says...
>>>>
>>>>Hello everybody
>>>>
>>>>Yesterday was a special date : November, 22nd.
>>>>
>>>>46 years ago, President Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald,
>>>>acting alone.
>>>
>>>
>>
> Francois,
>
> I am sorry to see that you don't believe in the truth
> many of us do. One day the truth will come out ( Oswald did not shoot
> anyone ) and the president was hit 4 times ( thanks anyway ).
=====> What ? Oswald did not shoot anyone ? Do you really believe that ?
What nonsense ! I bet in your next message you'll even claim that Oswald was
not in Dallas that day !!!!
Poor man ...
/F.C./
François Carlier
=====> If you don't understand what I write, it's YOUR problem. I was saying
: yes, indeed, the overwhelming majority of Americans believe in a
conspiracy.
But you did not understand. Poor man ...
/F.C.
David Von Pein
>>> "I once was gullible enough to believe that you were one of those rare nutters who actually believed what he was pitching." <<<
Too bad you changed your tune about that. It was one of the rare
things you actually had right.
Robert Harris
<73eda9b3-d84f-43a2...@p32g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
David Von Pein <davev...@aol.com> wrote:
Then why are you unable to address this issue in good faith?
Robert Harris
François Carlier
Please note that this post was about ME !!!
(Having said that, I have to say that I side with David Von Pein 100%. He is
right, Mister Harris, and you are not. He is way better than you at weighing
evidence. You should try to listen to him and read his articles. You would
learn a lot. It's high time you acknowledged the facts, and move on).
Oswald did it !
And, to go back to the beginning of this post : Groden is a nut !
/Fran�ois Carlier/
"Robert Harris" <reha...@yahoo.com> a �crit dans le message de
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Timelord
"Fran�ois Carlier" <Fra-C...@orange.fr> wrote in message
news:4b0bfe14$0$924$ba4a...@news.orange.fr...
>
> "Timelord" <time...@cpbbs.synchro.net.remove-d24-this> a |-crit dans le
> message de news:4B0B683D.6397...@cpbbs.synchro.net...
>>
>
> =====> What ? Oswald did not shoot anyone ? Do you really believe that ?
> What nonsense ! I bet in your next message you'll even claim that Oswald
> was not in Dallas that day !!!!
> Poor man ...
>
> /F.C./
Yes I know you don't like it but it is the way it is....
One day the truth will be known and nothing you or anyone else will do
can stop it will work...
Robert Harris
Fran�ois Carlier <Fra-C...@orange.fr> wrote:
> Mister Harris, Mister Von Pein,
>
> Please note that this post was about ME !!!
>
> (Having said that, I have to say that I side with David Von Pein 100%. He is
> right, Mister Harris, and you are not. He is way better than you at weighing
> evidence. You should try to listen to him and read his articles. You would
> learn a lot. It's high time you acknowledged the facts, and move on).
>
> Oswald did it !
He might have.
But he did not act alone, as David knows all too well.
If he honestly believed that, he would not deliberately lie about the
facts surrounding the shot at frame 285.
At least you have the intelligence to evade the issue, though that
doesn't say much for your integrity either.
You have seen the video, have you not Mr. Carlier?
So, why don't you tell us all where I went wrong?
Robert Harris
Ben Holmes
No stupid, it's not what you were saying. You tried to make the connection
between Groden and what he publishes, and what Americans believe.
You're simply ignorant.
lazu...@webtv.net
Canal, Andrew Mason and maybe a couple others that post regularly, but
it's a very short list...
Gil Jesus
> A while ago, Groden accepted me in his Facebook list. Yesterday, I sent him
> a message, asserting Oswald was the lone assassin and saying I hoped he,
> Groden, would eventually admit the truth.
>
> His reaction ? He erased my message from his wall.
ROFLMAO
mucher1
Not assholes: straight shooters. Unlike most of the CT bullshitters
who post here.
Nobody
much. Have a festive Thanksgiving Stan