LBJ's Umbrella Man

[Willy Gingersnaps]

I didn't knows this before, but apparently while battling JFK for the 1960 nomination, LBJ told a New York Times reporter, "I was never any Chamberlain umbrella policy man. I never thought Hitler was right." That's quite a pointed comment, and not one that JFK would likely ever forget.

[sugarl...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, May 16, 2013 8:03:46 PM UTC-4, Willy Gingersnaps wrote:
> I didn't knows this before, but apparently while battling JFK for the 1960 nomination, LBJ told a New York Times reporter, "I was never any Chamberlain umbrella policy man. I never thought Hitler was right." That's quite a pointed comment, and not one that JFK would likely ever forget.

No doubt Tom Lehrer thought/thinks JFK's behavior as regards LBJ a prime example of the "Masochism Tango."

[Sam McClung]

the 3rd dictionary definition of umbrella:

"something that covers or protects from above, as military aircraft
safeguarding surface forces: an air umbrella. "

from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/umbrella?s=t&path=/

a la bay of pigs?

[Willy Gingersnaps]

I just read that JFK was quoted saying that he didn't see the percentage in holding grudges. Perhaps LBJ was not strictly a percentage man.

[Willy Gingersnaps]

I am aware of the Bay of Pigs umbrella thing, but the Joe Kennedy connection is very interesting considering that during the festivities a man was on Elm Street who was made up to look JFK's dad, and was probably that same man standing above everybody else by the TSBD where JFK could not possibly miss seeing him, the man seen in the Towner film. First they show him his dad, the "umbrella policy man," then they show him the Umbrella Man himself. Perhaps it was Lyndon telling him, "I gotchya."

[Willy Gingersnaps]

This video shows the couch frame showing "Joe Kennedy" on Elm Street and where I believe he is in the Altgens 6 photo. I didn't put the Towner frame in this video because I hadn't noticed that when I made the video. Here's the Towner frame, where JFK seems to be looking at him. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-LIbuYzETWos/UZXkFBPEifI/AAAAAAAABYw/1IvdBDiFXLA/w1022-h681-no/PDVD_106.jpg Just after this, JFK turns to Jackie and says something, but she just keeps looking away. "Jackie, that guy looks just like dad," perhaps. JFK didn't have much time to think, but maybe he got the message when he saw Umbrella Man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r61pJPf8umM

On Friday, May 17, 2013 12:30:26 AM UTC-4, Sam McClung wrote:

[Willy Gingersnaps]

To most of us Joe Kennedy is dwarfed by JFK in history. JFK's dad is little more than a footnote. But to JFK's political contemporaries, the old man was the Kennedy mime, and JFK was a chip off the old block. Joe was a rich Wall Street crook who turned on rich Wall Street crooks when FDR put him in charge of the SEC. He betrayed his own kind. One could view his comments in the early days of WW2 similarly, and envision him becoming a proponent of Nazi Germany. This turncoat tendency was only confirmed by Jack and especially Bobby when the AG cracked down on the mob, who some think got JFK elected president. "Clearly, this was a family trait and old Joe is the source of it."

[Willy Gingersnaps]

I think I meant to say "meme" and not "mime" in my previous comment, and that's probably not the right word. either. Old Joe was the Kennedy template or the paradigm for Jack. There really is something monstrous about the both of them. The flip side of holding a grudge, it seems to me, is loyalty, and that is what they lacked, except for loyalty to the clan concept. If the percentages changed, their loyalties changed, too.

[sugarl...@gmail.com]

On Friday, May 17, 2013 3:42:41 AM UTC-4, Willy Gingersnaps wrote:
> On Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:20:41 PM UTC-4, sugarl...@gmail.com wrote: > On Thursday, May 16, 2013 8:03:46 PM UTC-4, Willy Gingersnaps wrote: > > > I didn't knows this before, but apparently while battling JFK for the 1960 nomination, LBJ told a New York Times reporter, "I was never any Chamberlain umbrella policy man. I never thought Hitler was right." That's quite a pointed comment, and not one that JFK would likely ever forget. > > > > > > No doubt Tom Lehrer thought/thinks JFK's behavior as regards LBJ a prime example of the "Masochism Tango." I just read that JFK was quoted saying that he didn't see the percentage in holding grudges. Perhaps LBJ was not strictly a percentage man.

How the Kennedys were blind to LBJ's true character and record will always be nearly impossible to understand, although there are those who claim LBJ blackmailed JFK in order to get second phone in 1960.

[Phil Ossofee]

Kennedys thought LBJ was like them. Find em' Fuck 'em Forget 'em and if
there is any trouble here's a suitcase full of cash. Same with
Elections. Unfortunatly, they didn't realize in time that Johnson was a
Ted Bundy, Richard Ramirez type serial killer. Phil D.