Statements That Sink The WC's Conclusions - #15

[Robert Caprio]

[b]This one is short and sweet and comes courtesy of John Mytton! IF
any other LNers wish to participate in this series please let me know.
Thanks!

I should also state the PURPOSE of this series is to show the CLAIMS
of the WC are NOT supported by the actual evidence. This series is
NOT about my opinions, beliefs, or anything else regarding my
thoughts. I need to make this clear since several LNers are
misleading folks as to my motive for this series![/b]

**************************************************************************************

[b]The WC claimed LHO left the TSBD and took a bus AND A CAB to get to
his rooming house room to retrieve the pistol and jacket. But as John
Mytton showed Fritz testified to something else LHO said he did![/b]

Mr. BALL. What did he say?

Mr. FRITZ. [b]He told me he went over and caught a bus[/b] and
[color=red][u][b]rode the bus to North Beckley near where he lived[/b]
[/u][/color] and went by home and changed clothes and got his pistol
and went to the show. I asked him why he took his pistol and he said,
"Well, you know about a pistol; I just carried it." Let's see if I
asked him anything else right that minute. That is just about it.

[b]IF one believes this testimony, and LNers have to, it shows us LHO
said he took the BUS NEAR TO WHERE HE WAS STAYING, and NEVER took a
cab as the WC claimed!

Thanks again for your contribution to this series John! Please
provide me with more things like this in the future![/b]

[Bill Clarke]

In article <2c09ea46-b746-4884...@q6g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Caprio says...

>
>[b]This one is short and sweet and comes courtesy of John Mytton! IF
>any other LNers wish to participate in this series please let me know.
>Thanks!
>
>I should also state the PURPOSE of this series is to show the CLAIMS
>of the WC are NOT supported by the actual evidence. This series is
>NOT about my opinions, beliefs, or anything else regarding my
>thoughts. I need to make this clear since several LNers are
>misleading folks as to my motive for this series![/b]
>

Glad to see you growing up Cappy since your crap about JFK withdrawing from
Vietnam is ALL about your opinions, beliefs and anything else.

Bill Clarke

[curtjester1]

On Apr 11, 4:15 pm, Robert Caprio <robcap...@netscape.com> wrote:
> [b]This one is short and sweet and comes courtesy of John Mytton!  IF
> any other LNers wish to participate in this series please let me know.
> Thanks!
>
> I should also state the PURPOSE of this series is to show the CLAIMS
> of the WC are NOT supported by the actual evidence.  This series is
> NOT about my opinions, beliefs, or anything else regarding my
> thoughts.  I need to make this clear since several LNers are
> misleading folks as to my motive for this series![/b]
>

> ***************************************************************************­***********

>
> [b]The WC claimed LHO left the TSBD and took a bus AND A CAB to get to
> his rooming house room to retrieve the pistol and jacket.  But as John
> Mytton showed Fritz testified to something else LHO said he did![/b]
>
> Mr. BALL. What did he say?
>
> Mr. FRITZ. [b]He told me he went over and caught a bus[/b] and
> [color=red][u][b]rode the bus to North Beckley near where he lived[/b]
> [/u][/color] and went by home and changed clothes and got his pistol
> and went to the show. I asked him why he took his pistol and he said,
> "Well, you know about a pistol; I just carried it." Let's see if I
> asked him anything else right that minute. That is just about it.
>
> [b]IF one believes this testimony, and LNers have to, it shows us LHO
> said he took the BUS NEAR TO WHERE HE WAS STAYING, and NEVER took a
> cab as the WC claimed!
>
> Thanks again for your contribution to this series John!  Please
> provide me with more things like this in the future![/b]

Or he didn't get close to his place.


For example when Joseph Ball asks McWatters how long the man who
boarded at Lamar Street (allegedly Oswald) stayed on the bus for
McWatters says:

Mr. MCWATTERS. Two blocks was the only distance.
Mr. BALL. How long did it take you to go those 2 blocks?
Mr. MCWATTERS. Now, he paid as far as from St. Paul Street. I made—
there wasn’t any traffic holding me up whatsoever.

McWatters is again talking about Roy Jones. Jones paid from St Paul
Street because it was Jones who boarded the bus one block before St
Pauls at Harwood. Even after McWatters has made it abundantly clear
that it was Jones he identified in the police line-up this exchange
happens:

Mr. MCWATTERS. …he was sitting right behind this boy, but I didn’t pay
him any particular attention, to the man.
Senator COOPER. You saw him get on the bus?
Mr. MCWATTERS. Yes.
Senator COOPER. Did you see him get off?
Mr. MCWATTERS. Yes; I gave him a transfer when he got off the bus,
the same place that was, the same place I was stopped where the man
come back and stepped up in the bus and told me what he had heard over
his radio in his car, the same place that the lady got off, with a
suitcase, is the place that the man got off.
Senator COOPER. The man you later identified in the police line-up?
Mr. MCWATTERS. That is correct; yes, sir.

CJ

[curtjester1]

OR he never took the bus at all.

http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/24th_Issue/mcwatters.html

(Just because you find a potential blurb that contradicts a WC
conclusion means it's wrong), nor exonerates the WC in all it's other
potential bad conclusions.

CJ

[Robert Caprio]

On Apr 11, 5:46 pm, Bill Clarke <Bill_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> In article <2c09ea46-b746-4884-82a3-5e9ef1b7f...@q6g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,

Actually it isn't, and IF you really knew this topic you would know
JFK was advised this by a British counterinsurgency EXPERT! Here is
something I did for April 4, 1963.

Quote on

Robert K.G. Thompson, a British counterinsurgency expert, meets with
JFK today and advises him to bring home 1,000 troops from Vietnam by
the end of the year. To do so, reasons Thompson, will show “that you
are winning…and take the steam out of the Communists’ best propaganda
line, that this is an American war.”

Many researchers have cited this reason for leading to JFK’s demise,
but we see he got the idea from a British counterinsurgency expert.

Quote off

[Robert Caprio]

On Apr 11, 6:05 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Don't forget either CJ that the INITIAL cabbie was named "Darryl
Click".

[Robert Caprio]

> http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/24th_Issue/mcwatters...

>
> (Just because you find a potential blurb that contradicts a WC
> conclusion means it's wrong), nor exonerates the WC in all it's other
> potential bad conclusions.
>
> CJ

The purpose of the series is to show the EVIDENCE in the 26 volumes
DOES NOT support the claims of the WC, and in many cases they reached
their "conclusions" DESPITE their own evidence by ignoring it.

[Bill Clarke]

In article <09f40edf-1b07-4fed...@t5g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Caprio says...

>
>On Apr 11, 5:46 pm, Bill Clarke <Bill_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:

>> In article <2c09ea46-b746-4884-82a3-5e9ef1b7f...@q6g2000yqa.googlegroups.=

>com>,
>> Robert Caprio says...
>>
>>
>>
>> >[b]This one is short and sweet and comes courtesy of John Mytton! IF
>> >any other LNers wish to participate in this series please let me know.
>> >Thanks!
>>
>> >I should also state the PURPOSE of this series is to show the CLAIMS
>> >of the WC are NOT supported by the actual evidence. This series is
>> >NOT about my opinions, beliefs, or anything else regarding my
>> >thoughts. I need to make this clear since several LNers are
>> >misleading folks as to my motive for this series![/b]
>>

>> Glad to see you growing up Cappy since your crap about JFK withdrawing fr=

>om
>> Vietnam is ALL about your opinions, beliefs and anything else.
>>
>> Bill Clarke
>>

>> >************************************************************************=

>**************
>>
>> >[b]The WC claimed LHO left the TSBD and took a bus AND A CAB to get to
>> >his rooming house room to retrieve the pistol and jacket. But as John
>> >Mytton showed Fritz testified to something else LHO said he did![/b]
>>
>> >Mr. BALL. What did he say?
>>
>> >Mr. FRITZ. [b]He told me he went over and caught a bus[/b] and

>> >[color=3Dred][u][b]rode the bus to North Beckley near where he lived[/b]

>> >[/u][/color] and went by home and changed clothes and got his pistol
>> >and went to the show. I asked him why he took his pistol and he said,
>> >"Well, you know about a pistol; I just carried it." Let's see if I
>> >asked him anything else right that minute. That is just about it.
>>
>> >[b]IF one believes this testimony, and LNers have to, it shows us LHO
>> >said he took the BUS NEAR TO WHERE HE WAS STAYING, and NEVER took a
>> >cab as the WC claimed!
>>
>> >Thanks again for your contribution to this series John! Please
>> >provide me with more things like this in the future![/b]
>
>Actually it isn't, and IF you really knew this topic you would know
>JFK was advised this by a British counterinsurgency EXPERT! Here is
>something I did for April 4, 1963.
>
>Quote on

Quote from where?

>Robert K.G. Thompson, a British counterinsurgency expert, meets with
>JFK today and advises him to bring home 1,000 troops from Vietnam by

>the end of the year. To do so, reasons Thompson, will show =93that you
>are winning=85and take the steam out of the Communists=92 best propaganda
>line, that this is an American war.=94
>
>Many researchers have cited this reason for leading to JFK=92s demise,

[curtjester1]

We know that, that's why I posed differing scenarios to show that
there are many scenarios to this and the WC's is mostly accepted as
correct even amongst researchers.

CJ

[Walt]

This point has always bothered me...... On Saturday morning, Henry
Wade was recorded telling reporters that the cab driver's name was
Darryl Click...... I believe he was referring to the driver who
said that he took Lee Oswald from Downtown Dallas to the Texas theater
in Oakcliff....with a stop at Oswald's room enroute.

Any thinking person can understand why "Darryl Click" had to
disappear and be replaced by William Whaley.

Lee Oswald was never in Whaley's cab..... he knew it and tried to
wheedle his way out of the situation he had created by BSing his
fellow cabbies that he had taken the killer to Oakcliff after the
assassination. Whaley is on record as saying that he knew that Lee
Oswald was being "railroaded"....... Which is something he wouldn't
have said if he really had taken Lee to Oakcliff that day. If Whaley
had no doubt that his passenger was Lee Oswald......he wouldn't have
any reason to doubt that Lee was the assassin.....But he DID doubt it,
because he said that Lee was being "railroaded".

The authorities lied their way out of the mess by claiming that the
reporters mistook the word "Oakcliff" for the name of the cab
driver.....Darryl Click.

I vaguely remember that someone researched this many years ago and
found that there was a cab driver by the surname "Click". He was
related to a mob family from Kansas City, named "click" ... and he
disappeared from Dallas that weekend, just as Curtis Crafard
disappeared from Dallas that week end.

[timstter]

More pathetic NONSENSE!

LMFAO Regards,

Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*

*...NOT ONE of the three experts was able to strike the head or the
neck of the target EVEN ONCE.* (Emphasis added).
Mark Lane, Rush to Judgment, page 129, footnoted as: XVII 261-262.

And yet here IS WC XVII 261-262, showing hits to the head...
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0144a.htm

X marks the spot where Mark Lane lied!

[Walt]

What would a slug know about it??

>
> LMFAO Regards,
>
> Tim Brennan
> Sydney, Australia
> *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
>
> *...NOT ONE of the three experts was able to strike the head or the
> neck of the target EVEN ONCE.* (Emphasis added).
> Mark Lane, Rush to Judgment, page 129, footnoted as: XVII 261-262.
>

> And yet here IS WC XVII 261-262, showing hits to the head...http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol...

[timstter]

Yeah, what WOULD you know, Sluggo?

You can barely SPELL for starters!

LMFAO Regards,

Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*

*...NOT ONE of the three experts was able to strike the head or the
neck of the target EVEN ONCE.* (Emphasis added).
Mark Lane, Rush to Judgment, page 129, footnoted as: XVII 261-262.

And yet here IS WC XVII 261-262, showing hits to the head...

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0144a.htm

[curtjester1]

What would a Wade know?? Whaley spoke of details that only the real
cabbie would know about, Oswald's braclet.

CJ

[Robert Caprio]

LHO was NEVER in Whaley's cab CJ. We have been through this before.

[Walt]

Psssst....... Gary, Whaley saw Lee being led through the corridor of
the police station on TV, those TV pictures show Lee wearing his ID
braclet and Marine Corp ring....... Open your eye and LOOK at the
evidence.....Whaley picked up his passenger at a time when Lee was
buying a coke from the coke machine in the lunchroom before DPD
officer Marrion Baker encounterd him there. And what's
more.....Whaley said his passenger was wearing a BLUE workman's
uniform.

[Bud]

By all means Walt, show us film of Oswald that shows the bracelet
and ring. But of course you are just lying again...

>Whaley picked up his passenger at a time when Lee was
> buying a coke from the coke machine in the lunchroom before DPD
> officer Marrion Baker encounterd him there.   And what's
> more.....Whaley said his passenger was wearing a BLUE workman's
> uniform.

He said it was Oswald, stupid.

[Walt]

No, he did NOT ...Stupid......

Whaley saw Lee Oswald in a line up on saturday afternoon.....He
said.....A viewer of the line up could pick him ( Lee Oswald) out by
the way he was raising hell. He knew they were railroading him and he
was telling them what he thought of them.

Whaley revealed that he recognized that the cops were "railroading"
Lee Oswald...... If lee had actually been the passenger that he
carried to Oakcliff he wouldn't have doubted Lee's guilt, and said
that he knew the cops were railroading Lee Oswald.

[Ben Holmes]

In article <e748a33d-18ff-49aa...@n4g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
Walt says...
>
>On Apr 15, 1:53=A0pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 13, 12:04=A0pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:

>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 12, 10:45=A0am, Robert Caprio <robcap...@netscape.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Apr 11, 6:05 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > On Apr 11, 4:15 pm, Robert Caprio <robcap...@netscape.com> wrote:
>>

>> > > > > [b]This one is short and sweet and comes courtesy of John Mytton!=
> =A0IF
>> > > > > any other LNers wish to participate in this series please let me =
>know.
>> > > > > Thanks!
>>
>> > > > > I should also state the PURPOSE of this series is to show the CLA=
>IMS
>> > > > > of the WC are NOT supported by the actual evidence. =A0This serie=

>s is
>> > > > > NOT about my opinions, beliefs, or anything else regarding my

>> > > > > thoughts. =A0I need to make this clear since several LNers are

>> > > > > misleading folks as to my motive for this series![/b]
>>

>> > > > > *****************************************************************=
>**********=AD=AD=AD=AD***********
>>
>> > > > > [b]The WC claimed LHO left the TSBD and took a bus AND A CAB to g=
>et to
>> > > > > his rooming house room to retrieve the pistol and jacket. =A0But =
>as John
>> > > > > Mytton showed Fritz testified to something else LHO said he did![=

>/b]
>>
>> > > > > Mr. BALL. What did he say?
>>
>> > > > > Mr. FRITZ. [b]He told me he went over and caught a bus[/b] and

>> > > > > [color=3Dred][u][b]rode the bus to North Beckley near where he li=
>ved[/b]
>> > > > > [/u][/color] and went by home and changed clothes and got his pis=
>tol
>> > > > > and went to the show. I asked him why he took his pistol and he s=
>aid,
>> > > > > "Well, you know about a pistol; I just carried it." Let's see if =

>I
>> > > > > asked him anything else right that minute. That is just about it.
>>

>> > > > > [b]IF one believes this testimony, and LNers have to, it shows us=
> LHO
>> > > > > said he took the BUS NEAR TO WHERE HE WAS STAYING, and NEVER took=

> a
>> > > > > cab as the WC claimed!
>>

>> > > > > Thanks again for your contribution to this series John! =A0Please

>> > > > > provide me with more things like this in the future![/b]
>>
>> > > > Or he didn't get close to his place.
>>
>> > > > For example when Joseph Ball asks McWatters how long the man who
>> > > > boarded at Lamar Street (allegedly Oswald) stayed on the bus for
>> > > > McWatters says:
>>
>> > > > Mr. MCWATTERS. Two blocks was the only distance.

>> > > > =A0Mr. BALL. How long did it take you to go those 2 blocks?
>> > > > =A0Mr. MCWATTERS. Now, he paid as far as from St. Paul Street. I ma=
>de=97
>> > > > there wasn=92t any traffic holding me up whatsoever.

>>
>> > > > McWatters is again talking about Roy Jones. Jones paid from St Paul
>> > > > Street because it was Jones who boarded the bus one block before St
>> > > > Pauls at Harwood. Even after McWatters has made it abundantly clear
>> > > > that it was Jones he identified in the police line-up this exchange
>> > > > happens:
>>

>> > > > Mr. MCWATTERS. =85he was sitting right behind this boy, but I didn=
>=92t pay

>> > > > him any particular attention, to the man.

>> > > > =A0Senator COOPER. You saw him get on the bus?
>> > > > =A0Mr. MCWATTERS. Yes.
>> > > > =A0Senator COOPER. Did you see him get off?
>> > > > =A0Mr. MCWATTERS. Yes; I gave him a transfer when he got off the bu=

>s,
>> > > > the same place that was, the same place I was stopped where the man

>> > > > come back and stepped up in the bus and told me what he had heard o=

>ver
>> > > > his radio in his car, the same place that the lady got off, with a
>> > > > suitcase, is the place that the man got off.

>> > > > =A0Senator COOPER. The man you later identified in the police line-=
>up?
>> > > > =A0Mr. MCWATTERS. That is correct; yes, sir.

>>
>> > > > CJ
>>
>> > > Don't forget either CJ that the INITIAL cabbie was named "Darryl
>> > > Click".
>>
>> > Don't forget either CJ that the INITIAL cabbie was named "Darryl
>> > Click".
>>

>> > This point has always bothered me...... On Saturday morning, =A0Henry

>> > Wade was recorded telling reporters that the cab driver's name was

>> > Darryl Click...... =A0 =A0I believe he was referring to the driver who

>> > said that he took Lee Oswald from Downtown Dallas to the Texas theater
>> > in Oakcliff....with a stop at Oswald's room enroute.
>>

>> > Any thinking person can understand why "Darryl Click" =A0had to

>> > disappear and be replaced by William Whaley.
>>

>> > Lee Oswald was never in Whaley's cab..... =A0he knew it and tried to
>> > wheedle his way out of the situation he had created by BSing =A0his

>> > fellow cabbies that he had taken the killer to Oakcliff after the

>> > assassination. =A0 Whaley is on record as saying that he knew that Lee
>> > Oswald was being "railroaded"....... =A0 =A0Which is something he would=
>n't
>> > have said if he really had taken Lee to Oakcliff that day. =A0 If Whale=

>y
>> > had no doubt that his passenger was Lee Oswald......he wouldn't have
>> > any reason to doubt that Lee was the assassin.....But he DID doubt it,
>> > because he said that Lee was being "railroaded".
>>
>> > The authorities lied their way out of the mess by claiming that the
>> > reporters mistook the word "Oakcliff" for the name of the cab
>> > driver.....Darryl Click.
>>
>> > I vaguely remember that someone researched this many years ago and

>> > found that there was a cab driver by the surname =A0"Click". =A0 He was

>> > related to a mob family from Kansas City, named "click" ... and he
>> > disappeared from Dallas that weekend, just as Curtis Crafard
>> > disappeared from Dallas that week end.
>>

>> What would a Wade know?? =A0Whaley spoke of details that only the real

>> cabbie would know about, Oswald's braclet.
>>
>> CJ
>
>
>Psssst....... Gary, Whaley saw Lee being led through the corridor of
>the police station on TV, those TV pictures show Lee wearing his ID
>braclet and Marine Corp ring....... Open your eye and LOOK at the
>evidence.....Whaley picked up his passenger at a time when Lee was
>buying a coke from the coke machine in the lunchroom before DPD
>officer Marrion Baker encounterd him there. And what's
>more.....Whaley said his passenger was wearing a BLUE workman's
>uniform.

And wearing TWO jackets...


--
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Ben Holmes
Learn to Make Money with a Website - http://www.burningknife.com

[curtjester1]

If only you could debate by facts instead of CAPrioisms!

CJ

[curtjester1]

Dear lover of names, Whaley saw the braclet in the cab, and had a
discussion with the passenger, LHO, about it. He had a hobby making
them himself. If that doesn't sway one, yer hopeless!

CJ

[Walt]

Gary, It's a well known FACT that photos of Lee Oswald had appeared on
TV and in newspapers. At least one of them showed Lee Oswald wearing
the ID braclet. As I recall Whaley said that he had an interest in
mens braclets (But I don't recall why he took notice of them.) Since
he noticed them when he saw a man wearing one, He could easily have
noticed that in Bill Winfed's "Clinched fist photo" because it's very
visible in that photo.

So simply because Whaley said he saw a braclet on his passenger's
wrist doesn't PROVE anything. His passenger was NOT Lee Oswald, of
that you can be certain if you simply pull your head out of your ass
and LOOK at the FACTS. Perhaps Whaley's passenger did wear a
bracelet...... Or perhaps Whaley saw Winfred's "Clinched Fist" photo,
whatever is the truth....the bracelet means NOTHING!

[Walt]

On Apr 15, 10:38 pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
> In article <e748a33d-18ff-49aa-88c5-87d89c62a...@n4g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,

I wonder if Whaley didn't deliberately try to appear to be a nut, by
saying that his passenger was wearing two jackets, a shirt , and a
white tee shirt? He realized that he'd got himself entangled in
the mess by braggin to his fellow cabbies that he had transported the
killer to Oakcliff that afternoon. He thought it was just an
innocent BS story, but it got out of hand, and he wanted no part of
framing (railroading) Lee Oswald. Perhaps he thought that he could
discredit himself by saying that his passenger was dressed like he was
in Fairbanks Alaska, when it was 75 degrees in Dallas at the time.

[curtjester1]

Oh so Whaley is a cab driver turned conspiracy evidence turner? My
what an interesting plot he made so quickly after the assassination.
WTG, William! But why would that matter to a person so ill-mannered
like you that wants to call me by a name I don't ever use? Retard.

CJ

[curtjester1]

Of course, he was on a joy ride, making the Nut theory go as far as he
could. Makes sense! (for a Kookbread!)

[Walt]

Dear Gary Bergman...... Why don't you drop the alias? Are you
ashamed of the stupid ideas you spew?

Are you too dumb to realize that Bill Whaley was a bullshitter ( like
many cabbies) who just mafr up the stoty about Lee Oswald being in his
cab? Whaley based that story on the fact that he had picked up a
passenger at 12:30 That's right 12:30.... ( Lee Oswald was still in
the TSBD lunchroom at 12:30.) Get your head out of your ass and READ
the testimony

[Robert Caprio]

CJ,

This is NOT true and sounds like a LNer more than a CTer comment. LHO
was NOT in the cab driven by Whaley and the evidence shows this.

[Walt]

Yes that's right..... Whaley spoke of details that revealed that his
passenger was NOT Lee Oswald. He said the man got in his cab at about
12:30 ( Lee was still in TSBD at 12:30) he said his pasenger was
wearing a blue workman's uniform, and he had on two jackets and a
brown shirt with silver stripes in it and a white tee shirt. ( Lee
was dressed in a reddish brown plaid shirt and dark gray trousers)
Whaley said his passenger's fare was 95 cents.. (Lee said his fare
was 85 cents) Incidentally......the difference between 95 cents and
85 cents just so happens to be the difference between the the fare for
distance PAST the rooming house. If Lee had been Whaley's passenger
and he had stopped Whaley at the roominghouse his fare would have been
85 cents. I suspect that Lee had taken a cab from the bus depot to
his room at some prior time so he knew the fare was 85 cents.

[Walt]

You're right and you're wrong.......No intelligent reasoning person
would deny that there are many "differing scenarios" (false trails or
red herrings) ..... And the official lie that Hoover had prepared
and ready to present to the public within minutes of Lee Oswald's
arrest, and which became The Warren Report is accepted as the truth
by a MINORITY....and that tale is NOT accepted as correct among
researchers. Intelligent researchers can clearly see that the
Warren Report is a pile of bullshit...... but like any good plausible
lie it contains some truth.





>
> CJ

[curtjester1]

Why would you intrude to ask? Why would you not honor people on the
net on whatever means they use to address themselves? Because only a
total ass would do it. It's obvious you don't care, so you have some
ulterior motive not to be friendly and be demontratively an acid
asshole.

> Are you too dumb to realize that Bill Whaley was a bullshitter ( like
> many cabbies) who just mafr up the stoty about Lee Oswald being in his
> cab?  Whaley based that story on the fact that he had picked up a
> passenger at 12:30   That's right 12:30.... ( Lee Oswald was still in
> the TSBD lunchroom at 12:30.) Get your head out of your ass and READ
> the testimony
>

Don't be retarded. Cabblie and the trip sheets are notorious for not
being exact. I used to fill in mine every hour or so. You don't have
to read testimony like it's golden when it's just workd you dimwit.
And no one is going to think, hey I'll get one over on the police or
whoever so I can be a big man in front of my fellow cabbies. How
would you think they would feel if the POTUS was shot, and someone
showed disrespect like that? They probably would go out in an alley
and beat him to death.

[curtjester1]

Rob, you are trying what people do at times, stand by a theory and try
to jam any evidence to fit it. Any reasonable person would see it.
and we've already gone through it, and anyone can judge for
themselves.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/ac2ecb2612e58cb0/e01bdef27c5012a4?lnk=gst&q=whaley+and+the+braclet#e01bdef27c5012a4

CJ

[curtjester1]

And it's not far off from what he was wearing. He was just seen
wearing a jacket on the McWatter's bus.

> was dressed in a reddish brown plaid shirt and dark gray trousers)
> Whaley said his passenger's fare was 95 cents..   (Lee said his fare
> was 85 cents)    Incidentally......the difference between 95 cents and
> 85 cents just so happens to be the difference between the the fare for
> distance PAST the rooming house.   If Lee had been Whaley's passenger
> and he had stopped Whaley at the roominghouse his fare would have been
> 85 cents.    I suspect that Lee had taken a cab from the bus depot to
> his room at some prior time so he knew the fare was 85 cents.

You wouldn't think that taking him past the roominghouse would signify
some sort of proof. Instead of that you focus in on a few cents.
Sheesh. Why would anyone be so inclined to look a a few cents? Ever
taken a cab ride and the cab driver didn't hit the lever or the button
til he was down the street a way's? And I would wager he never took a
cab home when the bus went there by his house all the time and was a
probable regular passenger on it.

CJ

[curtjester1]

Yes, but it has nothing to do with Whaley and the cabride Oswald took.

CJ

[Walt]

You're obviously a simply minded nut...... It doesn't take a genius
to read the chronology of William Whaley's trip log to know he left
the hotel at 12:15 with a fare who wanted to go to the bus depot, and
he told the WC that the trip took NINE minutes ...... so he arrived at
the Greyhound bus depot at 12:24 . The man in the blue workman's
uniform approached his cab before he had time to go inside the depot
for a pack of cigarettes.

Whaley testified that his employer required him to make entries in his
log at 15 minute intervals..... So your experience is worthless.

There are always people who want to grandstand and act like they were
close to a situation..... I'm sure you've heard people say that they
might have been killed if they had caught a airplane that had
crashed. That's just plain silly.....in my opinion.... But that's
what people do.... And that's what Whaley did......

[Robert Caprio]

> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/threa...
>
> CJ

CJ,

You have me confused with YOU as I have NO theory to stand by. I am
following the evidence and wherever it leads. YOU OTOH, are tied to
John Armstrong's theory to the very end.

There is NO evidence showing LHO was ever in Whaley's cab or
McWatters' bus.

[Walt]

McWatters said he had mistakenly thought that Milton Leroy Jones was
Lee Oswald....So anything McWatters said about the man on the bus is
worthless...... and Mrs Bledsoe is definitely on record as saying
that Lee Oswald was wearing a reddish brown plaid long sleved shirt
with a large hole in the elbow. So Lee definitely was NOT wearing a
jacket.

>
> > was dressed in a reddish brown plaid shirt and dark gray trousers)
> > Whaley said his passenger's fare was 95 cents..   (Lee said his fare
> > was 85 cents)    Incidentally......the difference between 95 cents and
> > 85 cents just so happens to be the difference between the the fare for
> > distance PAST the rooming house.   If Lee had been Whaley's passenger
> > and he had stopped Whaley at the roominghouse his fare would have been
> > 85 cents.    I suspect that Lee had taken a cab from the bus depot to
> > his room at some prior time so he knew the fare was 85 cents.
>
> You wouldn't think that taking him past the roominghouse would signify
> some sort of proof.

Whaley's passenger was NOT Lee Oswald.... So he didn't take Lee past
the roominghouse..... Lee said he paid 85 cents for the ride.... and
Whaley charged his rider 95 cents.

[Walt]

Bingo!..... Listen to the man Gary...... He's telling you the truth.

[curtjester1]

And your admittedly trying to hone in time that is not going to be
accurate...and by your stubborness are trying to get that 15 minutes
of leeway to fit your intentions. It's really how LNT'ers think.

CJ

[curtjester1]

McWatters came down to the station and identified him. DUH!!

CJ

[curtjester1]

Well, at least he tries to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear
because of his Rambler only theory.

You on the other hand remain totally disrespectful...and have no
theory....and also don't have a way legitamately for LHO to get to the
roominghouse.

John Armstrong's theory is based on evidence, not all this yammering
about a piece of clothing here, and a few minutes there BS. Any
person will go through the link I provided and see it quite clearly.

CJ

[Walt]

No I'm telling you to get your head out of your ass and READ whaley's
testimony and look at the complete picture he painted..... Passenger
in cab at a time when lee was still in the TSBD....Passenger dressed
differently than Lee .....
passenger paid a larger fare than Lee ( meaning he traveled
further) .... Passenger walked in a direction AWAY from the
roominghouse. Whaley said that he recognized that Lee was being
railroaded..... LOOK at the facts!

[Walt]

Excellent..... So you DO see that Armstrong attempts to ...."make a

silk purse out of a sow's ear"

Because of the Roger Craig's story about witnessing Oswald get in a
Rambler Station wagon.

Did Armstrong reveal that Rager Craig said that the man he saw get in
the Rambler was dressed in a BLUE shirt and blue jeans? Was Lee Oswald
wearing a blue shirt and blue jeans?

[Walt]

I might have some respect for you if you displayed the courage to stop
hiding behind an alias......

As far as theory..... I believe the evidence shows that Lee did
board Mc Watters bus, and then obtained a transfer when the bus got
stalled in traffic. I believe that bus transfer was found in the
pocket of the reddish brown plaid shirt that Lee took off and left in
his room at 1:00 pm. I believe that Lee boarded Darryl Glick's cab in
downtown Dallas, and paid 85 cents for the cab ride to the rooming
house. I believe that it was Darryl Glick who honked his horn when
he became impatient for Lee to comeout of the house and continue his
trip to the Texas theater. Mrs Robert's heard a horn honk and thought
that it was a police car ........ When Lee came out of the house
Glick's cab was not in sight, and that's what he was looking for when
Mrs Roberts saw him standing at the bus stop and looking north on
Beckley.

[curtjester1]

It's none of your business what people post for their 'identities'.
Some have non-letters or some whacky thing, because they just want it
that way. Normal people really don't care, and nuts make it point of
'caring'.

> As far as theory.....   I believe the evidence shows that Lee did
> board Mc Watters bus, and then obtained a transfer when the bus got
> stalled in traffic.   I believe that bus transfer was found in the
> pocket of the reddish brown plaid shirt that Lee took off and left in
> his room at 1:00 pm.  I believe that Lee boarded Darryl Glick's cab in
> downtown Dallas, and paid 85 cents for the cab ride to the rooming
> house.   I believe that it was Darryl Glick who honked his horn when
> he became impatient for Lee to comeout of the house and continue his
> trip to the Texas theater.  Mrs Robert's heard a horn honk and thought
> that it was a police car ........  When Lee came out of the house
> Glick's cab was not in sight, and that's what he was looking for when
> Mrs Roberts saw him standing at the bus stop and looking north on
> Beckley.> John Armstrong's theory is based on evidence, not all this yammering
> > about a piece of clothing here, and a few minutes there BS.  Any
> > person will go through the link I provided and see it quite clearly.
>

Both McWatters and Whaley went down to testify about who was on the
bus, and identified LHO. On the McW bus he had a coat on so he wasn't
just wearing a long shirt. You really can figure it out, even if you
are a nut.

CJ

> > CJ

[curtjester1]

I don't know the exact clothes, but a white shirt was involved...maybe
a tee shirt. The thing is the Rambler was found in OakCliff at at
laundromat, where doppleganger Oswald got out, and made a phone call,
then he walked from there. The Penningtons observed this as he walked
north I believe on Clinton St. about 12:48.

CJ

[Walt]

There's no excuse for you not knowing how Lee Oswald was
dressed..... There are photos galore of Oswald after his
arrest.....and a few photos that show how he was dressed when he left
the TSBD.

[curtjester1]

The only person who described Oswald's clothing getting into the
Rambler was Roger Craig. He said it was a light-colored short-sleeved
shirt. If you stick with what's said already, there would be the set-
up Oswald getting into the station wagon and the one he was setting
up, going to the roominghouse, wearing different clothing.

CJ

[Robert Caprio]

He quickly RECANTED. Duh! Don't you know the evidence in this case?

[curtjester1]

He saw Oswald on TV. He said he saw him on the bus, along with R.
Jones. He gave him a bus extension which they found on Oswald. Both
Jones and McWatters said he wore a jacket. When you hand someone a
bus transfer, you are very close to that person. Being confused with
so many people in one day is understandable. If he recanted, why
would he? I think he was one who didn't want to get involved wasn't
he? He would have known Oswald from riding on his bus previously as
he no doubt took the bus to the roominghouse many times.

CJ

[Robert Caprio]

> he no doubt took the ...

He recanted. It was Milton Jones he was thinking of--NOT LHO.

Learn the evidence CJ.

[curtjester1]

>
> > > > McWatters came down to the station and identified him. DUH!!
>
> > > > CJ
>
> > > He quickly RECANTED. Duh! Don't you know the evidence in this case?
>
> > He saw Oswald on TV.  He said he saw him on the bus, along with R.
> > Jones.  He gave him a bus extension which they found on Oswald.  Both
> > Jones and McWatters said he wore a jacket.  When you hand someone a
> > bus transfer, you are very close to that person.  Being confused with
> > so many people in one day is understandable.  If he recanted, why
> > would he?  I think he was one who didn't want to get involved wasn't
> > he?  He would have known Oswald from riding on his bus previously as
> > he no doubt took the ...
>
> He recanted.  It was Milton Jones he was thinking of--NOT LHO.
>
> Learn the evidence CJ.

We know the evidence. Your wishful scenario doesn't hold up, Rob.

Here's a 50 year - 50 WC Debacle set of Black Op movies you can watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_qOFqDdhpo

[Robert Caprio]

CJ, I'm am really beginning to wonder about you. There was a
conspiracy in the murder of JFK, we don't need fairy-tales and
ignorance of the evidence to show that.

Move along.

[Walt]

We don't need WILLFUL ignorance of the evidence........


>
> Move along.

[curtjester1]

Are you trying to say these 50 programs with many JFK researchers
being interviewed are fairy-tales? You seem to be getting into the WC
shill area.

CJ

[curtjester1]

Whadddaya mean Walt? You have thoughts of LHO on the bus, and not on
the cab. How did he get to the roominhouse then? Rob, has this wild
theory that the Rambler took him home without produding any evidence
for it. LOL.

CJ

[Walt]

Bottom line ..... How important is it to know how Lee Oswald got from
the TSBD to his room and the Texas heater?

It was important to the authorities and cover up artists.....
Because they wanted to convince us that Lee was just a lone nut and
nobody else was involved. If he had got in a car and left the area
then they would have had to admit that he had an accomplice and he
wasn't a lone nut.

At this point, It's not that important to know how he got from place
to place..... It's obvious to me that he did NOT take William
Whaley's cab..... He may have caught a cab from downtown Dallas to
his room ....but it wasn't Willim Whaley's cab.

The problem is:....Lee Oswald said that he had hired a cab from
downtown Dallas to his room......and he said he paid a fare of 85
cents. So the question is:..... Did he merely accept the alibi they
were handing him when they told him that a Cab driver had told them
that he had transported Oswald to his room shortly after the
shooting? Perhaps you'll remember that originally the Cab driver was
Daryll Glick ......but they decided to use William Whaley's BS story.
Probably because Daryll Glick told them he took Lee all the way to the
theater, after a short delay at his room.

Obviously the couldn't allow Glick to reveal his story, because they
needed Lee at 10th and Patton, the scene of Tippit's murder.

[curtjester1]

It's important because it shows the impossibility to commit the Tippit
murder. Someone who had his identification killed Tippit to allow for
the patsy to be solidified and to lead to the arrest. To the Texas
theater, it doesn't matter so much how, but when. He was there when
Tippit got murdered if you rely on good testimony. So as far as cab,
and bus, it doesn't matter as he was known to be at the roominghouse
at a pretty precise time, anyway. It does matter, to a Oswald taking
off in a Rambler, because it shows 2 Oswalds. And that's a whole
nuther aspect of the case which doesn't relate too much to the Dealey
Plaza evidence. It deals more with potentially on how and why JFK
might have been nutured to be killed.

> It was important to the authorities and cover up artists.....
> Because they wanted to convince us that Lee was just a lone nut and
> nobody else was involved.    If he had got in a car and left the area
> then they would have had to admit that he had an accomplice and he
> wasn't a lone nut.
>

True, and all the Lee being a set up person was disregarded. A lot of
evidence was gathered that should have set off red flags, but
eventually it was just ignored to make their way out to not
investigate the case properly and get what they wanted to foist on the
American Public.

> At this point, It's not that important to know how he got from place
> to place.....    It's obvious to me that he did NOT take William
> Whaley's cab.....  He may have caught a cab from downtown Dallas to
> his room ....but it wasn't Willim Whaley's cab.
>

You can say it all you want, but then you need him to get to his room
from where the bus left him off. That's too long of a walk. If he
took another cab, it would be likely that he would have been turned in
or seen. Whatever the case about the bus and Rambler, it would have
been impossible to be seen by Craig coming from the knoll/TSBD area to
the car at 12:40 when he left the bus supposedly around that time, a
good way from there. The bottom line there were people who described
Oswald on E. Tenth St., and we know that the arrested Oswald was not
him. So it most certainly can fit with two Oswalds leaving Dealey in
different ways, and two involved in the actions in Oakcliff
afterwards.

> The problem is:....Lee Oswald said that he had hired a cab from
> downtown  Dallas to his room......and he said he paid a fare of 85
> cents.   So the question is:.....  Did he merely accept the alibi they
> were handing him when they told him that a Cab driver had told them
> that he had transported Oswald to his room shortly after the
> shooting?   Perhaps you'll remember that originally the Cab driver was
> Daryll Glick ......but they decided to use William Whaley's BS story.
> Probably because Daryll Glick told them he took Lee all the way to the
> theater, after a short delay at his room.
>
> Obviously the couldn't allow Glick to reveal his story, because they
> needed Lee at 10th and Patton, the scene of Tippit's murder.

I don't think they would have conspired over two cabbies to even need
an alibi or cover story. They weren't going to be accused of any
murder. Whaley spoke of something very specific, the hobby he had of
making bracelets that were unusual and handmade. Why the need to
create some 'BS Story'? There is none. There were two Oswalds in
that theater, of which there is eye-witness testimony and paperwork to
confirm it. This is as solid as evidence as there is in this case,
and most people that are in JFKdom don't even know it.

CJ

[Robert Caprio]

So saying a conspiracy occurred in the killing of JFK is getting into
the "WC shill area?" You seem to be losing it.

Some of Armstrong's research is very interesting, but the moment he
IGNORES or lies about the evidence you should move away from him. YOU
seem incapable of this however, so perhaps someone else is a WC shill?

[Robert Caprio]

I have never passed off a Rambler theory. What I have said is there
is MORE evidence showing this could have happened than the fairy-tale
bus/cab scenario.

ONLY WC defenders lie about what others say or have said.

I'm disappointed in you CJ.

[Walt]

I've told you that Whaley said he saw a picture of Lee ( that's how he
claimed he recognized Lee as his passenger) He could easily have
noticed that braclet in the photo..... That tidbit of info is
worthless.

[Walt]

Another aspect of Craigs story has been opened up to question by a
photo that shows Roger Craig on the NORTH side of Elm street as a
light colored Rambler station wagon is traveling west on Elm street at
12:42 ( clock on top of TSBD) If that is the Rambler that Craig was
referring to he didn't have to cross the street to try to stop the
car.....He was on the north side of the street near the curb where he
claimed the man who resembled Lee Oswald got into the car.

[curtjester1]

I'm not losing it, you're the one providing a song and dance like Walt
and Ben tend to do, who you seem to beat drums that they are WC
shills.

> Some of Armstrong's research is very interesting, but the moment he
> IGNORES or lies about the evidence you should move away from him.  YOU
> seem incapable of this however, so perhaps someone else is a WC shill?

No, he is well-respected for his timeless, detailed research. You
aren't quite in his esteemed category.

Instead of trying to profile a person like LNT'ers do instead of
dealing with evidence, you should stick with that vein of thought.

Here are some things that Armstrong has detailed online, and you could
have just gotten there and picked it apart, but it's a little telling
when people just shuck and jive stuff off, without getting into the
evidence.

The bus ride --- On November 22nd, Oswald told Dallas Police Captain
Fritz that he went home by bus.


Mary Bledsoe rented a room to Oswald for $7 per week beginning on
October 7th. Oswald, acknowledging payment of his rent, signed her
calendar (Mrs. Bledsoe's son sold the signed page from her calendar
for $5 --- Vol 6 pg 401).
On October 12 Oswald received a phone call at Bledsoe's house. From
that conversation Bledsoe gathered that Oswald's wife was going to
soon have a child (Vol 6 pg 427). Bledsoe became uncomfortable with
Oswald and asked him to find another place to live, which he did on
October 14th --- he moved to 1026 N. Beckley.

On November 22nd, at approximately 12:35 pm Bledsoe boarded the bus at
at St. Paul and Elm and sat across the aisle from the driver. This
bus, identified as the "Marsalis-Ramona-Elwood", was driven by Cecil
McWatters (vol 2, page 292 WC; also WC exhibit #378). A few blocks
later the bus stopped to pick up a passenger. Bledsoe recognized the
passenger as Oswald when he boarded the bus. He passed by her while
walking toward the rear of the bus (Bledsoe interview by SA Richard
Harrison 11/23/63). When the bus became stalled in traffic, Oswald
again passed by Bledsoe, this time while walking toward the front of
the bus. Oswald obtained a transfer from McWatters and exited through
the front door.

When interviewed on November 23rd, 1963, Bledsoe remembered that
Oswald wore "a brown shirt with holes in the elbows and "ragged grey
work pants". Bledsoe was the only witness on the bus who paid any
attention to Oswald, probably because she knew him, and thus was able
to identify the clothing he wore (as of November 23rd).

Before her WC testimony Bledsoe prepared notes, at the suggestion of
SS Agent Forrest Sorrels, in order to refresh her memory. Reading from
notes to refresh a witnesses testimony is, as any lawyer knows, not
uncommon in courtroom proceedings. It is allowed in all state and
federal court proceedings (Federal Rules of Evidence --- Rule 612 and
Rule 803-S).

Cecil McWatters was interviewed on November 22nd and 23rd. On November
22, McWatters was driving the "Marsalis, Ramona, Elwood, Munger" bus
run, known as run 1213. McWatters, with his time checked by the
company dispatcher, arrived on schedule at St. Paul and Elm at 12:36
pm. At Elm and Griffin "I come to a complete stop, and when I did,
someone come up and beat on the door of the bus, and that is about
even with Griffin St" (Vol 2, pg 264). The man boarded the bus, paid
his 23 cent fare, and "he took the third chair back on the right" (CE
343). Mary Bledsoe, sitting across from McWatters, identified the man
as her former tenant --- Lee Harvey Oswald.

Near Poydrus, when the bus became tied up in traffic, a man got out of
the car in front of the bus, walked back to the bus and told Whaley
the President had been shot. An unknown woman and Oswald got up from
their seats, asked for and obtained bus transfers from McWatters and
left the bus (CE 343). McWatters told the Warren Commission "yes, sir;
I gave him one (bus transfer) about two blocks from where he got
on...the reason I recall the incident, I had --- there was a lady that
when I stopped in this traffic, there was a lady who had a suitcase
and she said, I have got to make a 1 o'clock train at Union
Station ... so I gave her a transfer and opened the door and as she
was going out the gentlemen I had picked up about 2 blocks asked for a
transfer and got off at the same place in the middle of the block
where the lady did...it was the intersection near Lamar St." (Vol 2,
pg 264, 265). Oswald's transfer was valid for 15 minutes or until the
next scheduled bus after the time of issue.

After departing McWatters bus, Oswald walked two blocks south on Lamar
St. and said to William Whaley "may I have this cab?" ( Vol 2, pg
256). After Oswald left the bus two policemen boarded the bus and
informed McWatters and passengers of the assassination. They
questioned each passenger to see if they were carrying weapons (CE
2641). It would be interesting to find out if police boarded any other
city buses looking for passengers carrying weapons.

Interviewed on November 22nd, McWatters did not mention or identify
the clothing worn by Oswald. Before the Warren Commission McWatters
said "to me he had on just work clothes, he didn't have on a suit of
clothes, and some type of jacket. I would say a cloth jacket" (Vol 2,
pg 279). When taken to the DPD that evening for a lineup, McWatters
picked a man "whom he said is the only one in the lineup who resembles
the man who had ridden on his bus on November 22nd, 1963. He
emphasized that he cannot specifically identify him (Oswald) as being
on his bus or as being the person who made the remark to the effect
that the President was shot in the temple" (interview of McWatters by
SA Odum and Ellington 11/23/63).

Roy Milton Jones was not interviewed until March 30, 1964. Jones said
that a "blond woman and a dark haired man boarded the bus
approximately six blocks before Houston Street. The man sat in the
seat behind him and the woman occupied a seat further to the rear of
the bus. When the bus was stopped in traffic, and prior to the
appearance of the police, the woman left the bus by the rear door to
catch a train at the depot (CE 343) and the man who was sitting behind
him (Oswald) left the bus by the front door while the bus was in the
middle of the block (CE 2641). Jones "emphasized he did not have a
good view of this man at any time and could not positively identify
him as being identical with Lee Harvey Oswald. He said he was inclined
to think it might have been Oswald only because the bus driver told
him so".

When interviewed four months later by the FBI, Jones said the man
sitting behind him was wearing a "light blue jacket and gray khaki
trousers". Jones had seen this nondescript and unknown man, who sat
behind him four months earlier, for a brief few seconds. Mr. Jones
should be commended for remembering anything at all about this man.

Laughing matter. McWatters picked up a passenger "between the corner
of Poydras and Elm and the corner of Commerce and Houston". McWatters
said after turning onto Houston Street, he proceeded across the
Houston Street viaduct to Oak Cliff, and then turned south on Marsalis
Street. After McWatters turned south on Marsalis Street he said to a
male passenger "I wonder where they shot the President". The man
replied, "they shot him in the temple".

McWatters continued south on Marsalis and "picked up an old lady at
the corner of Vermont and Marsalis". McWatters, who stated "she was at
least 55 or 60 years of age," did not recall ever seeing her before.
He asked her if she "had heard that the President had been shot. She
told McWatters not to joke about such a matter, and he told her that
if she did not believe him to ask the man sitting behind him. She
looked at this man, who was the one who had told McWatters that the
President had been shot in the temple, and said "why he's smiling;
you're joking!"

McWatters continued south on Marsalis and remembered letting the
smiling man off the bus "south of Saner Avenue." (interview of
McWatters by SA Odum and Ellington 11/23/63). The smiling man,
described by McWatters as a "teenager, about 5'8", 155 lbs, medium
build, slim faced," was later identified as Roy Milton Jones, who
regularly rode McWatters bus. In fact, McWatters said "the man rode
with me the next day," November 23rd (vol. 2 pg 280). McWatters memory
of where the young man got off the bus proved correct. Jones lived one
block south of Saner Avenue at 512 E Brownlee Avenue.

The bus transfer, which McWatters gave to Oswald, was found in
Oswald's left shirt pocket by Detective Sims at 4:05 pm that
afternoon. The transfer, issued by the Dallas Transit System, was
easily traced to McWatters (see below). McWatters was picked up and
transported to Dallas Police headquarters shortly after 6:00 pm where
he was asked to identify, from a police lineup, the man who boarded
and left his bus on Elm Street around 12:40 pm earlier that day.

Bus transfer. A photograph, and not the original bus transfer, was
entered into evidence as exhibit 381-A; WC Vol 16, pg 974). Mr. FF
Yates, Division Superintendent, Dallas Transit System, advised that
company drivers get the amount of transfer books (50 transfers to a
book) they think they will need when they go on duty each day. The
driver tears off the first transfer of each book and writes his badge
number on the back of this transfer. Yates produced transfer No. 4451
which was the first transfer on a book numbered 4451 through 4500,
given to McWatters on the morning of November 22nd. McWatters badge
number, 195, appeared on the back of this transfer.

Each driver is issued a punch which produces a unique punch mark.
(interview of FF Yates by SA Lee and Barrett 3/10/64). Oswald
requested and received bus transfer No 4459 from McWatters near
Poydras and Elm as he was leaving the bus. Bus transfer No. 4459 was
found in Oswald's left shirt pocket by Detective Sims at 4:05 pm on
November 22nd (along with five live rounds of .38 caliber pistol
shells --- WC Sims Exhibit A, Vol 21, pg 514).

The original transfer was examined by National Archives Specialist
Steve Hamilton at my request. On October 6, 1998 Mr. Hamilton wrote
that the original bus transfer "does appear to have creases in it
consistent with folding". When questioned by Dallas Police Captain
Fritz Oswald admitted this transfer was given to him by the bus driver
when he left the bus after being stalled in traffic (CE 2003 pg 37B).

The police find McWatters --- McWatters explained to the Warren
Commission how a bus driver can be located from markings on a bus
transfer. McWatters said "if they have any complaint, any transfers
brought in to him (supervisor), he has a list. When he looked at the
punchmark he knows the man's name, and his badge number" (Vol 2, pg
291).

McWatters was picked up and transported to Dallas Police headquarters
shortly after 6:00 pm. When shown bus transfer No. 4459 McWatters said
"yes, that is the transfer I issued because it had my punch mark on
it ... I only gave two transfers going through town on that trip (from
North Dallas south to Oak Cliff) and that was at the one stop of where
I gave the lady and the gentlemen that got off the bus, I issued two
transfers. But that was the only two transfers were issued". (Vol 2 pg
268-270).

Time Stamp --- McWatters was questioned by the Warren Commission to
explain the bus transfer. McWatters said "all transfers issued on this
run from north (Lakewood) to south (Marsalis) showed a time of 1:00 pm
and that 1:00 pm was shown on the transfer exhibited to him" (FBI
interview by Odum and Ellington 11/23/63). The "1 0" that appears at
the bottom of this transfer indicates the transfer is valid until 1:00
pm. Bus drivers, according to company rules, were supposed to have
punched transfers at 15, 30 and 45 minutes past the hour. But
McWatters punched his transfers by the hour. WC Attorney Ball asked
him "In other words, what you do is punch on the hour rather than the
45 and 15 minutes usually?" "Yes", said McWatters. "In other words,
when I am going one way at 1 o'clock, coming back from the other end
of the line I set them at 2. I am back in there at, my next trip I am
back in there at Lamar Street, I think it is 1:38 but I always set
them at 2 o'clock" (Vol 2 pg 285, 286).

Punch Mark --- All of the bus lines operating out of the east Dallas
division were listed on the transfers. Bus lines ran in both
directions --- north/south/north; east/west/east, etc. McWatters bus
ran from Lakewood (North Dallas) to the end of Marsalis (South Dallas/
Oak Cliff) and back to Lakewood (North Dallas). Bus transfers were
issued to passengers to allow them to transfer to another bus.

To keep a passenger from using the transfer pass for a return trip on
the same bus, a punch system was used. McWatters testified "Each
driver has a different punch. They are all registered" (Vol 2 pg 290).
"While at Marsalis (heading toward the southern end of Marsalis) I
would punch the Lakewood; when I would leave Marsalis coming toward
Lakewood (heading north), I would have "Lakewood" on the front of my
bus (referring to the "scroll" sign above the windshield indicating a
bus's destination) but I would punch the transfer Marsalis". Transfer
#4459, found by DPD officer Sims in Oswald's left front shirt pocket,
was punched "23. Lakewood" with McWatters unique punch mark.
"Lakewood" indicated McWatters had issued this pass after he left
Lakewood (North Dallas) en route to the south end of Marsalis
(McWatters' WC testimony, Vol 2, pg 292).

The brown shirt. Linnie Mae Randle recalled Oswald "wearing a tan
shirt and grey jacket on the morning of November 22." DPD Officer
Baker recalled Oswald was wearing a light brown jacket when he and Roy
Truly encountered Oswald in the TSBD shortly after 12:30 pm (affidavit
by ML Baker, 11/22/63).

The next person who identified Harvey Oswald's brown shirt was Mary
Bledsoe (FBI interview by SA Harrison and Weir, 11/24/63). She said he
was wearing "ragged grey work pants, and a brown shirt with holes in
the elbows."

Also on the bus was McWatters and Jones, who were not asked about
Oswald's clothing until they appeared before the WArren Commission
four months later. At time they said Oswald had on a light blue
jacket. The Warren Commission concluded they had not seen Oswald
wearing a light blue jacket.

The next person who identified Harvey Oswald's brown shirt was cab
driver William Whaley. On November 23rd he said his passenger "had on
a dark shirt with white spots of something on it" (Whaley affidavit CE
2003 pg 64). In testimony before the Warren Commission Whaley said "he
had on a brown shirt with a little silver like stripe on it. His shirt
was open three buttons down here. He had on a t-shirt." (WC Vol 2, pg
255).

When Oswald arrived at N. Beckley, housekeeper Earlene Roberts said "I
don't recall what type of clothing he was wearing" (Earlene Roberts
affidavit 12/5/63). Mrs. Roberts said "he went to his room for a few
minutes. Then I noticed he had a dark color jacket on, the type that
zips up the front."

FBI Agent Bardwell Odum, who observed Oswald as he was being brought
out the front of the Texas Theater, said Oswald was wearing a "brown
jacket". Other witnesses mistakenly identified Oswald as wearing a
"brown jacket" at the time of his arrest. Harvey Oswald was actually
wearing a "brown shirt" (not a brown jacket) over a "white t-shirt".

During his first interview on November 22nd, Oswald told Captain Fritz
that he had arrived at N. Beckley and changed his trousers. The
following day he told Fritz he had changed both his trousers and
shirt. Oswald described his dirty clothes as being a reddish colored,
long sleeved shirt with a button down collar and grey colored
trousers. He indicated that he placed these clothes in the lower
drawer of his dresser (FBI memo of James Bookout). One "brown shirt
with button down collar" and "one pair of grey trousers" were found at
Oswald's N. Beckley address by Dallas Detective Fay M. Turner. Both
articles of clothing were inventoried by Dallas Police and listed as
"1 brown shirt with button-down collar and 1 pair grey trousers and
other miscellaneous men's clothing" (WC --- Turner Exhibit No 1). It
would appear that Oswald had changed shirts.

The bus transfer, given to him by McWatters and placed it into the
left pocket of the brown shirt, was found by Det. Sims at 4:05 pm.
When Bledsoe was shown the brown shirt worn by Oswald when arrested
she first said "No, no, that is not the shirt". Then she asked if the
shirt had a ragged elbow. When she saw the hole in the right elbow she
said "yes, yes, this is the shirt", believing it to be the shirt
Oswald wore on McWatters bus. But Oswald had changed shirts. He left
the brown shirt with the "button down collar", worn by him on
McWatters bus, in the dresser at N. Beckley. He changed into another
brown shirt, worn by him when arrested, which was shown to Bledsoe for
identification. Mary Bledsoe had simply identified the wrong brown
shirt. Someone needs to check to see if the shirt picked up and
inventoried by Dallas Police is in the National Archives and if it has
holes in the elbows, as described by Bledsoe.

The grey pants, remembered by Bledsoe and Jones from the bus and by
cab driver William Whaley, were also found at N. Beckley --- exactly
where Oswald had told Fritz he had placed them. They were inventoried
by Dallas Police Detective Fay M. Turner. The grey jacket worn by
Oswald the morning of November 22, as remembered by Linnie Mae Randle
and Wesley Frazier, may have been found by the Dallas Police at the
TSBD. They found a heavy, blue colored, "Sir Jac" brand jacket at the
TSBD. This jacket was never claimed by anyone (FBI #226) .

Harvey Oswald --- the cab ride. When interviewed on November 22nd,
Oswald told Captain Fritz that he rode the bus home. The following
day, November 23rd, between 10:25 am and 11:30 am, Captain Fritz again
interviewed Oswald. Fritz asked him if he had taken a cab ride after
he left the TSBD. Oswald replied "yes, I did ride the cab..."


Drivers trip manifest --- William Whaley's trip manifest (CE 382 Vol
16 pg 974) was clocked in at 5:05 am on November 22nd. Beginning meter
readings listed on Whaley's trip manifest consisted of the total
number of trips (3591), the units (8308 --- one unit for every 4/10 of
a mile) and the total miles (6011). With each successive trip each of
these meter readings would automatically increase and be totaled and
logged in at the end of each day.
In addition to the automatic meter readings, cab drivers also listed
the amount of each fare, the number of passengers, the time "in and
out" and the mileage "in and out". At the end of the day, drivers
turned in their manifests, which were "date stamped" along with the
amount of cash which was recorded on the manifest with a "machine
stamp." Whaley's last fare on November 22nd ended at 3:45 pm. His trip
manifest was stamped "NOV 22" and 25.15 CA ($25.15 --- the amount of
cash turned in by Whaley). Warren Commission Attorney Ball provided
Whaley his trip manifest (CE 370) in order to "refresh Whaley's
memory".

Lamar to Beckley --- Whaley was sitting in his cab at the Greyhound
bus station at Lamar and Jackson around 12:40 pm. He first saw Harvey
Oswald walking south on Lamar from Commerce toward his cab. Whaley
noticed "the slow way he walked up. He didn't talk. He wasn't in any
hurry. He wasn't nervous or anything." Whaley remembered that Oswald
said "may I have this cab", to which Whaley replied "you sure can".
About that time an old lady said she also wanted a cab. Whaley heard
Oswald say "I will let you have this one" but the lady said "no, the
driver can call me one".

When interviewed by Dallas Police Captain Fritz on November 23rd at
10:25 am, Oswald told Fritz about the incident involving the old lady.
Oswald told Fritz "'yes, I did ride the cab' ... when he [Oswald] got
in the cab a lady came up who also wanted a cab, and he [Whaley] told
Oswald to tell the lady to take another cab" (CE 2003 --- 137-B).
Oswald's and Whaley's stories matched perfectly.

Oswald then said "I want to get to the 500 block of North Beckley".
Whaley described Oswald as "small, five feet eight inches, slender,
had on a dark shirt with white spots of something on it and grey khaki
pants which looked like they had been slept in" (FBI interview by SA
Hardin 11/23/63). He looked like "he was 25 or 26 years old" (CE 2003,
pg 64) and had a bracelet on his left wrist. Whaley remembered
Oswald's "t-shirt was a little soiled around the collar". Whaley
dropped Oswald off about 20 ft north of the intersection of Neely and
Beckley. He did not remember which direction Oswald walked after he
left the cab.

Oswald's stretchband bracelet --- Whaley noticed Oswald's shiny
bracelet on his left wrist. He explained to the Warren Commission "I
always notice watchbands, unusual watchbands, and identification
bracelets like these, because I make them myself ... It was just a
common stretchband identification bracelet. A lot of them are made of
chain links and not stretchbands (Vol 2 pg 293). Stretchbands are
unusual because there is very few of them". A photograph of Oswald
taken shortly after his arrival at DPD headquarters shows a bracelet
on his left wrist. This bracelet was removed from Oswald's left wrist
at DPD headquarters and later photographed. "One I.D. stretch band
with 'Lee' inscribed" is listed on the DPD property form (Dallas
Archives --- Box 1, folder 8, item 1).

500 Beckley or 700 Beckley? --- Whaley said "when he got back to the
Union Terminal he made an entry of the trip (to N Beckley) on his
manifest for the day". WC Attorney Belin asked Whaley why he wrote
down the destination of his passenger (Oswald) as 500 N. Beckley
instead of 700 N. Beckley. Whaley replied "because that is what he
told me and that is what I remember when I wrote the trip up" (WC
testimony of Whaley --- Vol 6 pg 433).

Identifying Oswald --- The next morning Whaley saw a photograph of
Oswald in the newspaper. Whaley said "I told my superior that that had
been my passenger that day (November 22nd) at noon. They called up the
police and they came up and got me. The Dallas Police came down and
took me down and the FBI was waiting there" (at the DPD --- WC
testimony of Whaley Vol 2, pg 260). Whaley was interviewed by FBI SA
Hardin who showed Whaley a New Orleans Police Department photograph of
Oswald. Whaley said it "is definitely the photograph of the man whom
he drove in his cab November 22, 1963".

Police Lineup --- Whaley was then taken to a lineup in the Dallas
Police Department lineup room where he again identified Oswald. Whaley
"without hesitation stated that Oswald is definitely the man whom he
drove in his cab on November 22,1963".

Researchers have occasionally criticized Whaley for identifying Oswald
as the number 3 man in the lineup and then identified him as the
number 2 man in the lineup. A simple reading of Whaley's testimony in
Vol 6, pgs 432, 433 is all that is required to clear up this alleged
inconsistency. Whaley said "I try to tell you exactly what happened,
to the best of my ability, when they brought Oswald out in the lineup
of four. He was the third man out. I don't know which way they count
them". Whaley said "they put the first man out on the right, and the
last one on my left, as near as I can remember". Whaley, in his mind,
thought the first man walking to his right was number 1. The second
man was number 2, the third man as number 3 and the man on the left as
number 4. Whaley, counting from right to left, identified Oswald as
the number 3 man. The Dallas Police, counting from left to right,
identified Oswald as the number 2 man. Whaley went on to say "No 2
from my left. no. 3 from my right".

Some researchers have also criticized Whaley for allegedly signing a
statement which identified Oswald in the Police lineup before he was
taken to the lineup. Again, a reading of Whaley's testimony in Vol 6,
page 430 is all that is required to clear up this alleged
inconsistency. Whaley explained "they wrote it out on paper, and this
officer, Leavelle, I think that is his name, before he finished and
before I signed he wanted me to go with him to the lineup, so I went
to the lineup, and I come back and he asked me which one it was, which
number it was, and I identified the man, and we went back up in the
office again, and then they had me sign this. That is as near as I can
remember."

Driving time from Lamar to Beckley --- An inconsistency pointed out by
researchers is the original time required to drive from the Greyhound
Bus Station to North Beckley. Whaley, when first interviewed by the WC
on March 12, 1964, said it took him 9 minutes to drive Oswald to N.
Beckley. Whaley was asked "Now on this particular trip with Oswald, do
you recall the lights being with you?" Whaley replied, "they were with
me sir; for I timed them that way before I took off. Because I made
that so much that I know the light system and how they are going to
turn". When interviewed again on April 8, 1964 he says it took less
than 5 minutes. I do not understand why or how Whaley's trip of 2 4/10
miles could take 9 minutes to drive. I, accompanied by fellow
researchers Malcolm Blunt, Stan Clark and Bill Drenas drove the same
route at normal speed. It took just over 5 minutes and I drove this
route several times.

CJ

[curtjester1]

What do you mean you haven't passed off the Rambler account? You have
steadfastly stood by it, and in doing so, have inferred that it was
his means of getting to the roominghouse, and without any evidence.
All the evidence points to Oswald, the one that got arrested in the
Texas Theater and went to the roominghouse, did take the bus and cab.
He admitted to it, to Fritz! The bus transfer makes sense.
McWatter's identifies him. Whaley upon seeing him on TV tells his boss
that the person he drove home is him, and goes to police on that. The
braclet was discussed in the trip to the roominghouse, unless you just
want to believe he lied about it. Everything is there, the stories
match, the minutae of the evidence matches, the timelines match, and
as Armstrong reports the Rambler also matches because it is seen in
Oakcliff at circa 12:48, and making a phone call in a laudromat, then
walking north on Clinton (towards Jefferson).

> ONLY WC defenders lie about what others say or have said.
>
> I'm disappointed in you CJ.

That's what a shill would do, make condescending remarks.

CJ

[Robert Caprio]

I have accused them of being WC shills when they lie and misrepresent
the evidence in this case. So far in this topic YOU are the ONLY one
doing that. Why?

> > Some of Armstrong's research is very interesting, but the moment he
> > IGNORES or lies about the evidence you should move away from him. YOU
> > seem incapable of this however, so perhaps someone else is a WC shill?
>
> No, he is well-respected for his timeless, detailed research. You
> aren't quite in his esteemed category.

He was a student of Jim Marrs. Jim Marrs is much better. Armstrong's
research on the rifle order is valuable, but many of the other things
he says are not.

Stop worshipping him like an idol--God won't like it.

> Instead of trying to profile a person like LNT'ers do instead of
> dealing with evidence, you should stick with that vein of thought.

I am the ONE sticking with the evidence and it does NOT show us LHO

was ever in Whaley's cab or McWatters' bus

> McWatters continued south on Marsalis ...

I know all of this, that is why I can say he was never on the bus or
in the cab as the WC claimed. Why are you supporting the claims of
the WC?



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[Robert Caprio]

First of all, I have said this is a more likely scenario, NOT that it
happened for sure. As for your claim of there being no evidence you
are either very clueless about this issue or a liar as there is a
quite a bit of evidence showing a man who looked like LHO entered a
Rambler.

> All the evidence points to Oswald, the one that got arrested in the
> Texas Theater and went to the roominghouse, did take the bus and cab.

This is WC shill talk CJ. NONE of the evidence in the twenty-six
volumes shows this.

> He admitted to it, to Fritz! The bus transfer makes sense.

The bus transfer was worthless. IT means nothing. It was planted to
make it look possible. It didn't work for most of us, but you and the
LNers seem to support it.

> McWatter's identifies him.

He quickly recanted this and said he was thinking of Milton Jones.

Why do you lie about the evidence?

> Whaley upon seeing him on TV tells his boss
> that the person he drove home is him, and goes to police on that.

I thought LHO was in Darryl Click's cab?

> The braclet was discussed in the trip to the roominghouse, unless
you just
> want to believe he lied about it. Everything is there, the stories
> match, the minutae of the evidence matches, the timelines match, and
> as Armstrong reports the Rambler also matches because it is seen in
> Oakcliff at circa 12:48, and making a phone call in a laudromat, then
> walking north on Clinton (towards Jefferson).

You are full of it. There is NO evidence that supports the claims of
the WC, and its shills like you, in the twenty-six volumes.

> > ONLY WC defenders lie about what others say or have said.
>
> > I'm disappointed in you CJ.
>
> That's what a shill would do, make condescending remarks.
>
> CJ

And you just did WC shill. I guess you have changed sides after all,
huh?

By the way, how is saying I'm disappointed in you the same as being
"condescending" again?

[curtjester1]

Labelling, moaning & groaning, and nothing of any evidentiary value.

> > > Some of Armstrong's research is very interesting, but the moment he
> > > IGNORES or lies about the evidence you should move away from him.  YOU
> > > seem incapable of this however, so perhaps someone else is a WC shill?
>
> > No, he is well-respected for his timeless, detailed research.  You
> > aren't quite in his esteemed category.
>
> He was a student of Jim Marrs.  Jim Marrs is much better. Armstrong's
> research on the rifle order is valuable, but many of the other things
> he says are not.
>
> Stop worshipping him like an idol--God won't like it.
>

moaning, and groaning, and using playground retorts, like command
words in front of a sentence.

> > Instead of trying to profile a person like LNT'ers do instead of
> > dealing with evidence, you should stick with that vein of thought.
>
> I am the ONE sticking with the evidence and it does NOT show us LHO
> was ever in Whaley's cab or McWatters' bus
>

Except your 'evidence' is small anomolies, because you are bent on not
taking the large pieces of evidence that does fit. And where is it
btw? Like Holmes and Walt...missing!

You know it and like a stubborn child don't do anything to refute it,
and really offer no solution to how even got home, and then blame
everyone, the WC, the posters, etc, etc.

CJ

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[curtjester1]

Yes, and many as well as I agree that 'a' LHO did go in the Rambler.
How many LHO's that were setting the LHO up before and even
assassination day do you have to have thrown in front of you to say
that it can be quite possible?

And you have no evidence of the Rambler near the roominghouse, and now
you have evidence of it elsewhere in Oakcliff (far away from the
roominghouse) and you still insist somehow that the Rambler brought
him to the roominghouse while the man in the roominghouse says
personally under his interrogation that he took the bus and cab.
That's really rich.

> > All the evidence points to Oswald, the one that got arrested in the
> > Texas Theater and went to the roominghouse, did take the bus and cab.
>
> This is WC shill talk CJ. NONE of the evidence in the twenty-six
> volumes shows this.
>

What? It's all there. McWatters, Jones, Whaley, Bledsoe.....all
refer to Oswald.

> > He admitted to it, to Fritz!  The bus transfer makes sense.
>
> The bus transfer was worthless.  IT means nothing. It was planted to
> make it look possible. It didn't work for most of us, but you and the
> LNers seem to support it.
>

Worthless? He gave out two, one to Oswald and one to a girl, and they
got off at the same spot....right where it would have to be where he
got off to be able to pick up Whaley's cab!! And it certainly means
something when there is evidence that he had it in its clothing! Did
Jones have one? No. And Jones was a regular daily passenger!
McWatter's knew where he lived, and he was dropped off, everyday, past
where Oswald would get dropped off at. And yes, Oswald would have to
be included as a regular passenger as well.

> > McWatter's identifies him.
>
> He quickly recanted this and said he was thinking of Milton Jones.
>

In the lineup? Certanly you jest, when he wasn't in it, and he was a
regular passenger. How gullible could one be?

> Why do you lie about the evidence?
>

Why do you sound like Ben Holmes? Are you in the same office playing
this game everyday? Let's take a poll....LMAO!

> > Whaley upon seeing him on TV tells his boss
> > that the person he drove home is him, and goes to police on that.
>
> I thought LHO was in Darryl Click's cab?
>

You think like noone else does. Why? Why don't you bring Darryl's
testimony in here? Is he working the same office with you and
Ben??...LMAO

>  > The braclet was discussed in the trip to the roominghouse, unless
> you just
>
> > want to believe he lied about it.  Everything is there, the stories
> > match, the minutae of the evidence matches, the timelines match, and
> > as Armstrong reports the Rambler also matches because it is seen in
> > Oakcliff at circa 12:48, and making a phone call in a laudromat, then
> > walking north on Clinton (towards Jefferson).
>
> You are full of it.  There is NO evidence that supports the claims of
> the WC, and its shills like you, in the twenty-six volumes.
>

Let's see, besides the woefully inconsistent WC, we have Fritz,
Oswald, McWatter's, Whaley, confirming it was LHO. Remember, Milton
Jones the next day in McWatters' bus? He asked who McWatters thought
was the one on the bus? McWatter's told him "Oswald!"

> > > ONLY WC defenders lie about what others say or have said.
>
> > > I'm disappointed in you CJ.
>
> > That's what a shill would do, make condescending remarks.
>
> > CJ
>
> And you just did WC shill.  I guess you have changed sides after all,
> huh?
>
> By the way, how is saying I'm disappointed in you the same as being
> "condescending" again?

Evidentiary lingo is much more the way to speak. Ony WC shill's speak
doublespeak, and don't care about precise evidence.

CJ

[Walt]

He gave out two, one to Oswald and one to a girl,.... No he issued
THREE..... He gave one to a DPD detective as a example of how he
would have torn off a transfer when a rider requested a transfer.

It's been many years ago that I read about the DPD questioning Mc
Watters ..... But I remember that they asked him to demonstrate how he
could identify a transfer as being one he had issued at a particular
time.....As I recall he had a distinctive punch and the transfer was
torn off to limit the amount of time in which the transfer could be
used.

At anyrate....Cecil McWatters created a transfer that would appear to
have been issued at about 12:45 pm and gave it to the detectives.....
What happened to that transfer????

[curtjester1]

Why would you want to know...compare it to the one found on Oswald?

CJ

[Walt]

Is that the reason?.... OR.... Did they want proof that Lee Oswald
had been at the scene and "fled" on Mc Watter's bus?

I'll admit that it would seem strange that they would want a copy of
the transfer when all they had to do was show Mc Watter's the transfer
they said they found in Oswald's shirt pocket, and ask him if he had
issued it.

Just askin.... Because I believe something is fishy about the story
about how Lee traveled from the TSBD to the theater.

[Robert Caprio]

There is NO evidence showing LHO ever took Whaley's cab or McWatters'
bus. End of story.

> ...
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[curtjester1]

Ok. Then, there is no evidence was on the first floor during the
shooting, the 2nd floor, the sixth floor, was at the Texas Theater,
left behind a ring and money, went to Mexico City, stayed in Dallas,
went in a Rambler, ordere a rifle, took part in BY Photos, went to
Russia, had VD, shot a fellow solider in the Philllipines, shot a
General Walker, or married Marina Prusukova, or had anything to do
with the FBI, or CIA, or was born to Marguerite Clavier, or that he
ever lived or worked for the TSBD. I finally get it.

A person who doesn't care about evidence and/or who can jump sides of
issues, or be mole, doesn't have to have anything called evidence,
because evidence at a whim, can always be 'no evidence'.

CJ

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[Robert Caprio]

This is laughable. Each area needs its OWN evidence to support the
claims being made. You can't lump them all together because I said
there is NO evidence for the bus or cab ride (heck, you can, because
there is NO evidence for almost anything the WC claimed, in fact,
there is evidence showing their claims are FALSE in their own twenty-
six volumes). This is a silly game you are playing.

You can't show he was ever on the bus or the cab as the WC said and we
realize it by now as otherwise you would have cited evidence showing
he was.

>
> A person who doesn't care about evidence and/or who can jump sides of
> issues, or be mole, doesn't have to have anything called evidence,
> because evidence at a whim, can always be 'no evidence'.
>
> CJ

YOU are the one that does NOT care about the evidence as you can't
cite any that supports your claims (the same nes the WC made by the
way). Why is that? Why can't you show he was on McWatters' bus and
Whaley's cab IF you claim he was?

You're babble aside, you have offered NOTHING to show my original post
is wrong.

Let it be noted.

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[curtjester1]

They have. I won. Based on the preponderance of the evidence that
any court would have decided for.

CJ

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[Robert Caprio]

You sound like Ben now CJ as "preponderance of evidence" is ONLY FOR
CIVIL TRIALS. That term has NO place in criminal cases.

Cite your evidence or be gone.

You're boring me.

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[curtjester1]

Sorry, Rob, whether it's beyond a reasonable doubt or preponderance of
the evidence, you lose. Nobody is coming to your defense.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Preponderance+of+Evidence

See, truth seekers cite.

> Cite your evidence or be gone.
>

Already had, and Oswald, Jones, McWatter's, Bledsoe, and Whaley
already spoke up.

We have just as many speaking of Oswald in the Rambler in Dealey Plaza
and Oakcliff.

The Jury says there was two Oswalds at work on 11/22/63.

CJ

[Robert Caprio]

Who wants them to? Why do ALL people being dishonest (usually LNers)
use this tactic? As if "no one coming to my defense" equates with them
telling the truth. LOL! Good one CJ.

YOU have NO evidence to cite CJ, therefore, you lose.

> http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Preponderance+of+Evidence
>
> See, truth seekers cite.

Preponderance of evidence is the LEGAL WEIGHT for CIVIL trials--NOT
CRIMINAL trials CJ. Murder cases are tried in CRIMINAL courts. YOU
are pulling the same trick Ben did years ago.

> > Cite your evidence or be gone.
>
> Already had, and Oswald, Jones, McWatter's, Bledsoe, and Whaley
> already spoke up.

McWatters NEVER said LHO was on his bus. He said he meant Jones from
the beginning. Bledsoe probably did NOT even know LHO so that is out
the window. Whaley is a bad witness too, and initially it was a
"Darryl Click", NOT Whaley in the cab scenario.

> We have just as many speaking of Oswald in the Rambler in Dealey Plaza
> and Oakcliff.

YOU either are okay with lying or do NOT know the evidence. Both
options are bad.

> The Jury says there was two Oswalds at work on 11/22/63.

What jury is that?

[curtjester1]

>
> > > > They have.  I won.  Based on the preponderance of the evidence that
> > > > any court would have decided for.
>
> > > > CJ
>
> > > You sound like Ben now CJ as "preponderance of evidence" is ONLY FOR
> > > CIVIL TRIALS. That term has NO place in criminal cases.
>
> > Sorry, Rob, whether it's beyond a reasonable doubt or preponderance of
> > the evidence, you lose.  Nobody is coming to your defense.
>
> Who wants them to? Why do ALL people being dishonest (usually LNers)
> use this tactic? As if "no one coming to my defense" equates with them
> telling the truth. LOL! Good one CJ.
>
> YOU have NO evidence to cite CJ, therefore, you lose.
>
> >http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Preponderance+of+Evidence
>
> > See, truth seekers cite.
>
> Preponderance of evidence is the LEGAL WEIGHT for CIVIL trials--NOT
> CRIMINAL trials CJ.  Murder cases are tried in CRIMINAL courts. YOU
> are pulling the same trick Ben did years ago.
>
> > > Cite your evidence or be gone.
>
> > Already had, and Oswald, Jones, McWatter's, Bledsoe, and Whaley
> > already spoke up.
>
> McWatters NEVER said LHO was on his bus. He said he meant Jones from
> the beginning. Bledsoe probably did NOT even know LHO so that is out
> the window.  Whaley is a bad witness too, and initially it was a
> "Darryl Click", NOT Whaley in the cab scenario.
>

Senator COOPER - From the time the man got on the bus, which you later
identified in the police lineup until he got off, had you noticed him,
had you looked at him again?
Mr. McWATTERS - Had I looked at him again?
Senator COOPER - Yes.
Mr. McWATTERS - Not until just like I say he was sitting--I was
talking to this teenage boy and he was sitting right behind this boy,
but I didn't pay him any particular attention, to the man.
Senator COOPER - You saw him get on the bus?
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes.
Senator COOPER - Did you see him get off?
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes; I gave him a transfer when he got off the bus,
the same place that was, the same place I was stopped where the man
come back and stepped up in the bus and told me what he had heard over
his radio in his car, the same place that the lady got off, with a
suitcase, is the place that the man got off.
Senator COOPER - The man you later identified in the police lineup?
Mr. McWATTERS - That is correct; yes, sir.
Senator COOPER - Did you pay any particular attention to him when he
got off?
Mr. McWATTERS - Not no more than I did than, I think, when he got on.
Senator COOPER - Do you remember anything about his clothes or his
general appearance in any way?
Mr. McWATTERS - Just like I say, I remember he had on, to me he had

on just work clothes, he didn't have on a suit of clothes, and some

type of jacket. I would say a cloth jacket.

Jones was the teenage boy ^

Roy Milton Jones was not interviewed until March 30, 1964. Jones said
that a "blond woman and a dark haired man boarded the bus
approximately six blocks before Houston Street. The man sat in the
seat behind him and the woman occupied a seat further to the rear of

the bus. When the bus was stopped in traffic, and prior to the
appearance of the police, the woman left the bus by the rear door to
catch a train at the depot (CE 343) and the man who was sitting behind
him (Oswald) left the bus by the front door while the bus was in the
middle of the block (CE 2641). Jones "emphasized he did not have a
good view of this man at any time and could not positively identify

him as being identical with Lee Harvey Oswald. He said he was inclined
to think it might have been Oswald only because the bus driver told
him so".

> > We have just as many speaking of Oswald in the Rambler in Dealey Plaza
> > and Oakcliff.
>
> YOU either are okay with lying or do NOT know the evidence.  Both
> options are bad.
>

We do know the evidence of the Rambler, bus, and taxi ride.

> > The Jury says there was two Oswalds at work on 11/22/63.
>
> What jury is that?
>

The Jury of Peers on the JFK Case.

CJ