THE FINAL SHOTS
Robert Harris
not account for the tissue, blood and skull that was blown backward
from the Presidentšs head.
In particular, the testimony of Dallas motorcycle officer, Bobby
Hargis, who was spattered by blood and tissue, has been held up as
evidence of a shot from the front.
I recently wrote a short article on the subject, which I think,
demonstrates that we never understood exactly how preposterous the WCšs
theory about this really was. The address for the URL is:
http://jfkhistory.com/lastshot/lastshot.htm
As you read the article and examine the images, I think that several
things will become apparent:
1. The problem with a shot from the rear was not that the officers were
*behind* Kennedy. It was that they were much too far to his *left*, for
debris that was blown upward and to the right, to have hit them.
2. Not only was Hargis spattered, but so was Martin, riding 8-10 feet
to Hargisšs *left*, and riding along the very southernnmost curb of
Elm. He was nearly 20 feet to Kennedy's left.
3. Contrary to LNer claims that the wind blew the debris to the south,
to hit the officers, the wind in DP at that instant was blowing *from*
the Southwest, and *AWAY* from them. See if you donšt agree.
And finally, at the end of the article, you can click on a link to a
Quicktime file in which further support for this argument is presented,
not by Jim Garrison or Mark Lane, but by retired Dallas Chief of
Police, William Curry.
Bob Harris
Rob Spencer
> For years, critics have argued that a single shot from the rear could
> not account for the tissue, blood and skull that was blown backward
> In particular, the testimony of Dallas motorcycle officer, Bobby
> Hargis, who was spattered by blood and tissue, has been held up as
> evidence of a shot from the front.
>
> I recently wrote a short article on the subject, which I think,
>
> http://jfkhistory.com/lastshot/lastshot.htm
>
> As you read the article and examine the images, I think that several
> things will become apparent:
>
> 1. The problem with a shot from the rear was not that the officers were
> *behind* Kennedy. It was that they were much too far to his *left*, for
> debris that was blown upward and to the right, to have hit them.
>
> 2. Not only was Hargis spattered, but so was Martin, riding 8-10 feet
>
> 3. Contrary to LNer claims that the wind blew the debris to the south,
> to hit the officers, the wind in DP at that instant was blowing *from*
>
> And finally, at the end of the article, you can click on a link to a
> Quicktime file in which further support for this argument is presented,
> not by Jim Garrison or Mark Lane, but by retired Dallas Chief of
> Police, William Curry.
>
>
>
> Bob Harris
Hey Bob do you ride a bike? (motorcycle) I have for 25 years. I have been
hit with rain, sleet snow, skunks, deer, dogs, water hoses, crap falling
off the back of a truck and many a bubble bee. I can tell you for certain
that the strangest things can happen to you when you are out in the open.
One thing in particular bothers me. When ever I'm in front of someone
using their windshield wipers and squirting washer fluid to clean the
window, I ALWAYS get hit with some of it. Right lane, left lane behind,
slow, fast, does not matter I'm getting wet.
I can imagine the same thing happend to Hargis and Martin, the shot that
hit JFK in the head atomized blood and brain tissue similar to squirting
water out of a car's windshield wiper dispenser, bound to go everywhere.
Oh another thought. I was painting my house last year with a spray gun
just a very small area on what I thought was a very windless day. i had
finished up my small touch up area when my wife came out anc complained
that I had gotten paint on her car, 20 feet away! Not only that but I
noticed paint on one of my daughters bicycles, 10 feet in the OTHER
direction! Go figure, those darn Wagner Power painters!
Rob
Ted Gittinger
Rob, you may look forward to a volley from the folks who, like Captain
Queeg, have proved with irrefutable Euclidean logic that a duplicate key
to the ship's galey freezer had to exist.
It won't do simply to observe that the mess boys probably ate the
strawberries.
Of course the illuminati may simply ignore you. They can do that, you
know, when you are beneath their level. Hee.
Thanks for a great laugh.
ted
"Rob Spencer" <rob.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d286b852.04072...@posting.google.com...
Robert Harris
wrote:
Now, that is strange indeed. The excess paint from my PP flys off in the
direction the wind is blowing.
Guess I better take it back and get one that works:-)
Robert Harris
Walt
The Limo was traveling 12 MPH. I too have caugh the windshield washer
spray..... but it's always been at higher speeds, when the air flowing over
and around the car creates air turbulence..
>
> I can imagine the same thing happend to Hargis and Martin, the shot that
> hit JFK in the head atomized blood and brain tissue similar to squirting
> water out of a car's windshield wiper dispenser, bound to go everywhere.
>
> Oh another thought. I was painting my house last year with a spray gun
> just a very small area on what I thought was a very windless day. i had
> finished up my small touch up area when my wife came out anc complained
> that I had gotten paint on her car, 20 feet away! Not only that but I
> noticed paint on one of my daughters bicycles, 10 feet in the OTHER
> direction! Go figure, those darn Wagner Power painters!
Ask any professional house painter.....Paint has a tendency to float on air,
it will drift around and deposit on items a long way from the spray gun.
The blood and brain matter on the cops helmets and motocycles was not
merely a spray......there were hit by bits and pieces of solid matter
An object struck Bobby Hargis' helmet with such force that for a moment he
thought he'd been shot.
Walt
>
> Rob
>
Rob Spencer
oops should have read "behind" someone. not in front. DUH.
Rob
Rob Spencer
>
> Rob, you may look forward to a volley from the folks who, like Captain
> Queeg, have proved with irrefutable Euclidean logic that a duplicate key
> to the ship's galey freezer had to exist.
>
> It won't do simply to observe that the mess boys probably ate the
> strawberries.
>
> Of course the illuminati may simply ignore you. They can do that, you
> know, when you are beneath their level. Hee.
>
> Thanks for a great laugh.
>
> ted
>
Ted, yea I expect to get flamed. I'm sure that the usual suspects will
claim that the brain tissue could not have been "atomized" and that it
could not possibly travel in any except forward in the case of a rear
shot. They will say things like the debris that landed on Hargis and
Martin MUST have come from a frontal shot or something like that.
I hope I brought a dose of plain old "common sense" to this issue, rather
than merely speculating on something they have never experienced
themselvs.
Rob
AnthonyMarsh
>
> "Ted Gittinger" <tgitting...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message news:<02_Nc.60023$qa2....@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
> > What a breath of fresh air.
> >
> > Rob, you may look forward to a volley from the folks who, like Captain
> > Queeg, have proved with irrefutable Euclidean logic that a duplicate key
> > to the ship's galey freezer had to exist.
> >
> > It won't do simply to observe that the mess boys probably ate the
> > strawberries.
> >
> > Of course the illuminati may simply ignore you. They can do that, you
> > know, when you are beneath their level. Hee.
> >
> > Thanks for a great laugh.
> >
> > ted
> >
>
> Ted, yea I expect to get flamed. I'm sure that the usual suspects will
> claim that the brain tissue could not have been "atomized" and that it
> could not possibly travel in any except forward in the case of a rear
> shot. They will say things like the debris that landed on Hargis and
> Martin MUST have come from a frontal shot or something like that.
>
You may be thinking of the idea of "atomized" the way Ayoob was
theorizing about an AR-14 round hitting the head. That can not happen.
We have the photo of the brain and yes it is disrupted, but it is not
"atomized" the way you are probably suggesting.
And the debris can ONLY escape where there is a hole. There was no large
hole in the back of the head. It was only in the top right of the head,
so that is where the jet of material escapes from.
--
Anthony Marsh
The Puzzle Palace http://www.boston.quik.com/amarsh
Ben Holmes
>
>Rob Spencer wrote:
>>
>>"Ted Gittinger" <tgitting...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:<02_Nc.60023$qa2....@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
>> > What a breath of fresh air.
>> >
>> > Rob, you may look forward to a volley from the folks who, like Captain
>> > Queeg, have proved with irrefutable Euclidean logic that a duplicate key
>> > to the ship's galey freezer had to exist.
>> >
>> > It won't do simply to observe that the mess boys probably ate the
>> > strawberries.
>> >
>> > Of course the illuminati may simply ignore you. They can do that, you
>> > know, when you are beneath their level. Hee.
>> >
>> > Thanks for a great laugh.
>> >
>> > ted
>> >
>>
>> Ted, yea I expect to get flamed. I'm sure that the usual suspects will
>> claim that the brain tissue could not have been "atomized" and that it
>> could not possibly travel in any except forward in the case of a rear
>> shot. They will say things like the debris that landed on Hargis and
>> Martin MUST have come from a frontal shot or something like that.
>>
>
>You may be thinking of the idea of "atomized" the way Ayoob was
>theorizing about an AR-14 round hitting the head. That can not happen.
>We have the photo of the brain and yes it is disrupted, but it is not
>"atomized" the way you are probably suggesting.
>And the debris can ONLY escape where there is a hole. There was no large
>hole in the back of the head.
Right out of the LNT handbook.
There were plenty of eyewitnesses to *exactly* this, a large hole in the back of
the head. Specifically, "occipital-parietal".
Wouldn't want any lurkers thinking that Tony is spouting the CT line here...
Rob Spencer
I hated the darn thing, overspray everywhere! (I got the point btw)
Rob
Rob Spencer
On a bike? On an actual M O T O R C Y C L E? I rode just today (finally
nice here in Rochester) and got that darned blue fluid all over my
sunglasses again from following a really nice Corvette coverd with bugs.
He was in the right lane and I was about 10 feet back in the left, I STILL
got it smeared.
>
> >
> > I can imagine the same thing happend to Hargis and Martin, the shot that
> > hit JFK in the head atomized blood and brain tissue similar to squirting
> > water out of a car's windshield wiper dispenser, bound to go everywhere.
> >
> > Oh another thought. I was painting my house last year with a spray gun
> > just a very small area on what I thought was a very windless day. i had
> > finished up my small touch up area when my wife came out anc complained
> > that I had gotten paint on her car, 20 feet away! Not only that but I
> > noticed paint on one of my daughters bicycles, 10 feet in the OTHER
> > direction! Go figure, those darn Wagner Power painters!
>
> Ask any professional house painter.....Paint has a tendency to float on air,
> it will drift around and deposit on items a long way from the spray gun.
>
> The blood and brain matter on the cops helmets and motocycles was not
> merely a spray......there were hit by bits and pieces of solid matter
>
> An object struck Bobby Hargis' helmet with such force that for a moment he
> thought he'd been shot.
>
I think Steve just harpooned that one (Tony reference Steve) Naw my
country wisdom still tells me that them boys on those motorbikes drove
right through somethin Didn't some witness says it was like a "pink cloud"
or somethin?
Rob
Walt
Yes....A real bygod motorcycle....A Hawg
Stop guessing...Go do honest reserch and then come back and discuss the
FACTS...Not what you believe.
Walt
Robert Harris
"Ted Gittinger" <tgitting...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> What a breath of fresh air.
>
> Rob, you may look forward to a volley from the folks who, like Captain
> Queeg, have proved with irrefutable Euclidean logic that a duplicate key
> to the ship's galey freezer had to exist.
>
> It won't do simply to observe that the mess boys probably ate the
> strawberries.
>
> Of course the illuminati may simply ignore you. They can do that, you
> know, when you are beneath their level. Hee.
>
> Thanks for a great laugh.
>
> ted
It might seem hard to believe today, but I can remember a time when it
was actually, the proconspiracy people who spent most their time posting
insults and ad hominem attacks.
But even this has value. It allows casual lurkers to quickly see who is
getting their butts kicked in the debate:-)
Robert Harris
Rob Spencer
Easy, Hargis and Martin drove through a "cloud of debris" resulting
from the third and final shot that hit JFK in the head. This shot was
from TSBD6 fired by Lee Harvey Oswald.
Pretty simple.
Rob
Walt
Great....You just presented an excellent example of the old adage....Simple
minds find simple solutions.
Walt
Doug Gosha
Yeah, Walt, and what solutions do complex minds find? Bogus acoustics evidence.
Bullets flying in every direction. A jillion spooks in Dealy Plaza that day.
Cardboard cutouts "standing" along the street. Shooters behind every tree (and
sometimes even in front of them). "Badge Man." "Umbrella Man" firing poison
darts. "Walkie-Talkie Man" telling shooters "Yoohoo! Here's the president! You
can shoot now!" An "anti-Oswald" sneaking into the TSBD unseen, unheard,
undetected in any way and using Oswald's rifle to kill JFK. "sEwEr man." Truly
was in on it. The Paines were in on it. The "Two Oswalds" were in on it. David
Ferrie was a " Cancer research Whiz!" Oswald and Ferrie were lovers! Ruby and
Oswald were lovers! Judyth and Oswald were lovers! (That boy really got
around!) JFK's body was kidnapped and altered. Jackie was in on it! Every
government entity was in on it! The "Two Marguerites" were in on it! The
Zapruder film is a cartoon!!! All the rest of the films are too! (or all
altered - how sinister ooooooo). The President himself engineered his own
assassination!!
I'm sure this is just the tip of the iceberg, but you get the idea. When things
like this are left to "Complex Minds" and these are the types of solutions they
come up with, I'd rather be a "simpleton."
Doug
Ted Gittinger
"Doug Gosha" <dgo...@aol.com> wrote in message .
Mr. Gosha, I raise a glass in your general direction. And let us both raise
a glass to William of Occam, he of the original simple mind.
ted
>
Doug Gosha
Thanks Ted, I'm sure I'll be lambasted by some of the "complex" (notice
parentheses everybody, hint, hint) minds here but I don't really care.
In fact, I'm suprised that William of Occam hasn't been accused of
"pre-conspiracy" involvement. William of Occam, WC apologist!
Doug
felix krull
[...]
> >>
> >> I'm sure this is just the tip of the iceberg, but you get the idea. When
> things
> >> like this are left to "Complex Minds" and these are the types of solutions
> they
> >> come up with, I'd rather be a "simpleton."
> >>
> >> Doug
> >
> >Mr. Gosha, I raise a glass in your general direction. And let us both raise
> >a glass to William of Occam, he of the original simple mind.
> >
> >ted
>
> Thanks Ted, I'm sure I'll be lambasted by some of the "complex" (notice
> parentheses everybody, hint, hint) minds here but I don't really care.
I believe Mr. Occam did cut out the definition of "parentheses" from your thesaurus.
> In fact, I'm suprised that William of Occam hasn't been accused of
> "pre-conspiracy" involvement. William of Occam, WC apologist!
felix god-is-unnecessary krull
> Doug
Doug Gosha
>dgo...@aol.com (Doug Gosha) wrote
>
>[...]
>
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure this is just the tip of the iceberg, but you get the idea. When
>> things
>> >> like this are left to "Complex Minds" and these are the types of
>solutions
>> they
>> >> come up with, I'd rather be a "simpleton."
>> >>
>> >> Doug
>> >
>> >Mr. Gosha, I raise a glass in your general direction. And let us both
>raise
>> >a glass to William of Occam, he of the original simple mind.
>> >
>> >ted
>>
>> Thanks Ted, I'm sure I'll be lambasted by some of the "complex" (notice
>> parentheses everybody, hint, hint) minds here but I don't really care.
>
>I believe Mr. Occam did cut out the definition of "parentheses" from your
>thesaurus.
Yeah, whatever, I meant quotes.
Doug
Robert Harris
dgo...@aol.com (Doug Gosha) wrote:
Yep, just like two major federal investigations producing totally
different shooting scenarios and conclusions on the conspiracy question,
and then Jim Moore and Gerald Posner produced books that presented
shooting scenarios that totally contradicted both federal investigations
as well as each other.
The fact that loony theories were produced by *both* the government and
its supporters, as well as critics proves absolutely nothing. The
reality of what happened does not change one iota just because somebody
claims JFK was murdered by Martians from the 7th dimension.
I won't tell you it's an exciting read, and it's kinda lengthy, but if
you really one to resolve the conspiracy question, forget all the crap
you have heard from *both* sides, and look here,
http://jfkhistory.com/k/answers.html
Robert Harris