"Lights Out."
Raymond
How convenient ! Geneva Hine, the only employee in the TSBD second
floor notices electrical power and phones go dead.
"THE LIGHTS ALL WENT OUT and the PHONES BECAME DEAD BECAUSE THE
MOTORCADE WAS COMING NEAR "
(Testimony of Geneva L. Hine)
Warren Commission Hearings: Vol. VI - Page 395
Mr. Ball.
Were you alone then at this time?
Miss HINE. Yes.
Mr. Ball.
Did you stay at your desk?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir: I was alone until THE LIGHTS ALL WENT OUT and the
PHONES BECAME DEAD BECAUSE THE MOTORCADE WAS COMING NEAR us and no one
was calling so I got up and thought I could see it from the east
window in our office.
Mr. Ball.
Did you go to the window?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball.
Did you look out?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball.
What did you see?
Miss HINE. I saw the escort car come first up the middle of Houston
Street.
------- I turned and went through the back hall and came through the
back door.
Mr. Ball.
Of your office, the second floor office?
Miss HINE. Yes; and I went straight up to the desk because the
telephones were BEGINNING TO WINK outside calls were beginning to
come in.
Mr. Ball.
Did they come in rapidly?
Miss HINE They did come in rapidly.
Mr. Ball.
When you came back in did you see Mrs. Reid?
Miss HINE. No, sir; I don't believe there was a soul in the office
when I came back in right then.
Mr. Ball.
Did you see anybody else go in through there?
Miss HINE. No, sir; after I answered the telephone then there was
about four or five people that came in.
Mr. BALL. Was there anybody in that room when you came back in and
went to the telephone?
Mr. Ball.
Miss HINE. No, sir; not to my knowledge
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Warren Commission Hearings: Vol. VI - Page 391
(Testimony of Miss Victoria Elizabeth Adams)
"....the power had been cut off on the elevator, ..."
Mr. Belin.
Did he let you come back in?
Miss ADAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. Belin.
Then what did you do ?
Miss ADAMS. Following that, I pushed the button for the passenger
elevator, but the power had been cut off on the elevator, so I took
the stairs to the second floor.
Mr. BELIN. You then went all the way back to the northwest corner of
the building and took the same set of stairs you had previously taken
to come down, or did you take the stairs by the passenger elevator?
Miss ADAMS. By the passenger elevator........
Mr. Belin.
Then what did you do?
Miss ADAMS. I went into the elevator which was stopped on the second
floor, with two men who were dressed in suit and hats, and I assumed
they were plainclothesmen.
Mr. Belin.
What did you do then?
Miss ADAMS. I tried to get the elevator to go to the fourth floor, but
it wasn't operating, so the gentlemen lifted the elevator gate and we
went out and ran up the stairs to the fourth floor.
Mr. BELIN. Now trying to reconstruct your actions insofar as the time
sequence, which we haven't done, what is your best estimate of the
time between the time the shots were fired and the time you got back
to the building? How much time elapsed? If you have any estimate.
Maybe you don't have one.
Miss ADAMS. I would estimate not more than 5 minutes elapsed.
Mr. Belin.
Is there any particular reason why you make this estimation?
Miss ADAMS. Yes, sir; going down the stairs toward the back, I was
running. I ran to the railroad tracks. I moved quickly to the front of
the building, paused briefly to talk to someone, listened only to the
report of the windows from which the shot supposedly was fired, and
returned to the building.
Mr. BELIN. How long do you think it was between the time the shots
were fired and the time you left the window to start toward the
stairway?
Miss ADAMS. Between 15 and 30 seconds, estimated, approximately.
Mr. BELIN. How long do you think it was, or do you think it took you
to get from the window to the top of the fourth floor stairs?
Miss ADAMS. I don't think I can answer that question accurately,
because the time approximation, without a stopwatch, would be
difficult.
Mr. BELIN. How long do you think it took you. to get from the window
to the bottom of the stairs on the first floor?
Miss ADAMS. I would say no longer than a minute at the most.
Mr. BELIN. So you think that from the time you left the window on the
fourth floor until the time you got to the stairs at the bottom of the
first floor, was approximately 1 minute?
Miss ADAMS. Yes, approximately.
Mr. Belin.
As I understand your testimony previously, you saw neither Roy
Truly nor any motorcycle police officer at any time?
Miss ADAMS. That's correct.
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While outside
And I said, "I want to find out." I think the President is shot.
There was a motorcycle that was parked on the corner of Houston and
Elm directly in front of the east end of the building, and I paused-
there to listen to the report on the police radio, and they said that
shots had been fired which apparently came either from the second
floor or the fourth floor window, and so I panicked, as I was at the
only open window on the fourth floor.
Baker's motorcycle... ?
William Weston writes, "The electrical power for the whole building
and even the telephone stopped working about five minutes prior to the
assassination.303 How two such entirely different systems as the
electricity and the phones could go out simultaneously is beyond
explanation, unless one can assume that the interruption was
deliberate."304 Although this claim is currently in dispute, it cannot
be denied that the conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy would
have involved intimate knowledge of the TSBD building. Truly and
Shelly were possibly employed to some extent by the building's
landlord, David Harold Byrd.
303. Warren Commission Hearings, Vol. 6, pp. 391, 395, 396, cited in
Weston, p. 11. Note: It was pointed out in the March 1993 Third Decade
(pp. 22-23) that the testimony cited by Weston referring to "lights
all went out and phones became dead" has two different
interpretations. While that is true, there is ample evidence that
commission attorneys altered testimony and chose language very
carefully. Weston believes "that the Warren Commission was trying to
avoid the subject." In a cover-up, this matter would be a prime target
for obfuscation.
304. Weston, p. 11.
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> "Lights Out."
> How convenient ! Geneva Hine, the only employee in the TSBD second
> floor notices electrical power and phones go dead.
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> "THE LIGHTS ALL WENT OUT and the PHONES BECAME DEAD BECAUSE THE
> MOTORCADE WAS COMING NEAR "
> (Testimony of Geneva L. Hine)
> Warren Commission Hearings: Vol. VI - Page 395
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> Mr. Ball.
> Were you alone then at this time?
> Miss HINE. Yes.
> Mr. Ball.
> Did you stay at your desk?
> Miss HINE. Yes, sir: I was alone until THE LIGHTS ALL WENT OUT and the
> PHONES BECAME DEAD BECAUSE THE MOTORCADE WAS COMING NEAR us and no one
> was calling so I got up and thought I could see it from the east
> window in our office.
She means the lights on the switchboard went dead.
How the hell would she know whether the power was on or not? The
elevators didn`t work if they were on another floor with the doors
open.
> Mr. BELIN. You then went all the way back to the northwest corner of
> the building and took the same set of stairs you had previously taken
> to come down, or did you take the stairs by the passenger elevator?
> Miss ADAMS. By the passenger elevator........
Which means the electric was on.
> Mr. Belin.
> Then what did you do?
> Miss ADAMS. I went into the elevator which was stopped on the second
> floor, with two men who were dressed in suit and hats, and I assumed
> they were plainclothesmen.
> Mr. Belin.
> What did you do then?
> Miss ADAMS. I tried to get the elevator to go to the fourth floor, but
> it wasn't operating, so the gentlemen lifted the elevator gate and we
> went out and ran up the stairs to the fourth floor.
Maybe the cops didn`t know how to operate the elevator.
Apparently Weston is a conspiracy retard.
Raymond
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> > was calling so I got up and thought I could see it from the east
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> She means the lights on the switchboard went dead.
There was no switchboard in the TSBD building
Mr. Ball.
Was there a switchboard?
Miss HINE. No, sir; we have a telephone with three incoming lines,
then we have the warehouse line and we have an intercom system.
Mr. Ball.
You don't have a switchboard?
Miss HINE. Not now; we did in the other building.
Warren Commission Hearings: Vol. VI - Page 395
(Testimony of Geneva L. Hine)
Miss ADAMS. Following that, I pushed the button for the passenger
elevator, but the power had been cut off on the elevator, so I took
the stairs to the second floor.
Miss HINE. Yes, sir: I was alone until THE LIGHTS ALL WENT OUT and the
PHONES BECAME DEAD BECAUSE THE MOTORCADE WAS COMING NEAR us and no one
was calling so I got up and thought I could see it from the east
window in our office.
> How the hell would she know whether the power was on or not ?
Adams and Hine both lied? THE LIGHTS ALL WENT OUT ? PHONES BECAME
DEAD ?
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Then she was talking about the lights on the phone that told her
there was activity (incoming or outgoing calls).
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> elevator, but the power had been cut off on the elevator, so I took
> the stairs to the second floor.
If she was riding the elevator and it stopped, then she might be
used for making the case that the power went out. Her assumptions are
meaningless.
> Miss HINE. Yes, sir: I was alone until THE LIGHTS ALL WENT OUT and the
> PHONES BECAME DEAD BECAUSE THE MOTORCADE WAS COMING NEAR us and no one
> was calling so I got up and thought I could see it from the east
> window in our office.
Why would Hines associate the motorcade coming near with the lights
going out?
> > How the hell would she know whether the power was on or not ?
> Adams and Hine both lied? THE LIGHTS ALL WENT OUT ? PHONES BECAME
> DEAD ?
What purpose would it serve a conspiracy to cut the phones and power
for a very short time? Why take this big risk for no reward?
And if there was no power to the building how did Oswald get a coke?
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Soon
Michael Pressley
Abstract
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skills in students through instruction; these are summarized in this
article. In addition, new hypotheses about effective comprehension
instruction are emerging, and these are also summarized. Although too
little comprehension instruction is now occurring in schools, much is
known that would enable such teaching to be done with confidence; more
will be known as the emerging hypotheses are evaluated in the years
ahead.
Bud
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what is there not to understand?
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> > instruction are emerging, and these are also summarized. Although too
> > little comprehension instruction is now occurring in schools, much is
> > known that would enable such teaching to be done with confidence; more
> > will be known as the emerging hypotheses are evaluated in the years
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> A conspiracy retard is building an amazing premise off of nothing,
> what is there not to understand?
Bud... The electricity went off before the motorcade got to the TSBD
and before the shots were fired.
"Miss HINE. Yes, sir: I was alone until THE LIGHTS ALL WENT OUT and
the PHONES BECAME DEAD BECAUSE THE MOTORCADE WAS COMING NEAR us and
no one was calling so I got up and thought I could see it from the
east window in our office. ......
Miss HINE. Yes; and I went straight up to the desk because the
telephones were BEGINNING TO WINK outside calls were beginning to
come in.
Mr. Ball. Did they come in rapidly?
Miss HINE They did come in rapidly.
> > > And if there was no power to the building how did Oswald get a coke?
Lee bought the Coke later, after the motorcade went by the TSBD and
apparently after the shooting. The juice was back on at that time.
I always wondered what he did with the Coke bottle..
--- Yours truly, A conspiracy retard
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> > > instruction are emerging, and these are also summarized. Although too
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> > > will be known as the emerging hypotheses are evaluated in the years
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> Bud... The electricity went off before the motorcade got to the TSBD
> and before the shots were fired.
You haven`t shown the electricity went off. You can`t even come up
with how such a thing would aid in shooting Kennedy.
> "Miss HINE. Yes, sir: I was alone until THE LIGHTS ALL WENT OUT and
> the PHONES BECAME DEAD BECAUSE THE MOTORCADE WAS COMING NEAR us and
> no one was calling so I got up and thought I could see it from the
> east window in our office. ......
Again, you can`t explain why Hine would make a connection between
lights going out and the motorcade approaching.
I can. Apparent part of Hine`s job was handling the phones. Patching
incoming and outgoing calls. Her phone had three lines on it,
indicating activity on the phones. When the lights went out on her
phone, she attributed the lack of activity to the fact that people had
left to watch the motorcade. After the shooting the activity picked up
and the lights "started to wink" because newsmen (and probably people
who work there) came into the building to use the phones to report the
shooting. It wasn`t lack of electricity that Hine noted, it was
changes in phone activity.
> Miss HINE. Yes; and I went straight up to the desk because the
> telephones were BEGINNING TO WINK outside calls were beginning to
> come in.
> Mr. Ball. Did they come in rapidly?
> Miss HINE They did come in rapidly.
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>
> Lee bought the Coke later, after the motorcade went by the TSBD and
> apparently after the shooting. The juice was back on at that time.
It was never off. This is just another example of why you retards
really should find another hobby, and leave investigation to people
with some aptitude for it.
> I always wondered what he did with the Coke bottle..
It might have put it back where he got it, on one of the tables in
the lunchroom.
Chuck Schuyler
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> And if there was no power to the building how did Oswald get a coke?
It came back on again so he could get the coke, Bud. And then it went
back off again. And then it went on again. And then it went off again.
On again. Off again. On again.
They're quite powerful, Bud.
aeffects
Gawd, you're actually putting to use those 6th floor mausoleum knee-
pads, in public these days no-less.... you should be ashamed shithead!
And Dudster, well, that shithead has never had a sense of decourm --
no surprise there.... LMFAO! ! ! !
Raymond
Raymod I always wondered what he did with the Coke bottle..
BUD It might have put it back where he got it, on one of the tables
in
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Raymond
" Mrs. Reid ate her lunch in the 2nd floor lunchroom, starting around
noon. (v3 p271) She
ate it “rather hurriedly” so that she could go find a good position
for the motorcade. She
estimates that she left the lunchroom around 12:15-12:20. She
remembers that the “usual
girls” were there, and they left before she did. She could not recall
if anyone was left in
the lunchroom when she left. Mrs. Reid says she was standing almost
directly in front of
the entrance to the TSBD during the motorcade. (v3 p272)
After the shots, Mrs. Reid went into the building, up the stairs by
the entrance, and to
her desk. (v3 p274) Her desk was located close to the dumbwaiter on
the north wall of the
office area on the second floor. (see diagram) Oswald came into the
office area from the
door on the northwest corner (diagram by circle 27 & 28). Mrs. Reid
told him the
President had been shot, and he was calm and mumbled something she did
not catch.
OSWALD HAD A COKE IN HIS RIGHT HAND AND HE PROCEEDED OUT OF THE
BUILDING
Mrs. Reid did not notice his path out of the building, as she was not
watching him.
In a re-enactment, they estimated Mrs. Reid was at her desk
approximately 2 minutes
after the final shot. (v3 p275)
You went into the building in the main lobby?
Mrs. Reid.
Yes; I did.
Mr. Belin.
Did you take the elevator or the stairs?
Mrs. Reid.
No; I went up the stairs.
Mr. Belin.
Was this the front stairs or the back stairs?
Mrs. Reid.
No; the front stairs.
Mr. Belin.
All right. You went up through the stairs and then what did you do?
Mrs. Reid.
I went into the office.
Mr. Belin.
You went into your office?
Mrs. Reid.
Yes.
Mr. Belin.
And then what did you do?
Mrs. Reid.
Well, I kept walking and I looked up and Oswald was coming in the back
door of the office. I met him by the time I passed my desk several
feet and I told him, I said, "Oh, the President has been shot, but
maybe they didn't hit him."
CE 497
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0119b.htm
CE 500
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0121a.htm
Coke ad 1963
http://inventors.about.com/od/cstartinventions/ss/coke_ads_8.htm
"I'd Like To Buy The World A Coke"
---- Officer Marrion L. Baker Dallas Poice Dept.
Mr. Baker.
"Yes, sir; I think I went to about the sixth grade."
http://www.jfk-assassination.de/warren/wch/vol3/page242.php
Mrs Reid
He mumbled something to me, I kept walking, he did, too. I didn't pay
any attention to what he said because I had no thoughts of anything of
him having any connection with it at all because he was very calm. He
had gotten a coke and was holding it in his hands and I guess the
reason it impressed me seeing him in there I thought it was a little
strange that one of -the warehouse boys would be up in the office at
the time, not that he had done anything wrong. The only time I had
seen him in the office was to come and get change and he already had
his COKE in his hand so he didn't come for change and I dismissed him.
I didn't think anything else.
Mr. Belin.
When you saw him, I believe you said you first saw him when he was
coming through the door?
Mrs. Reid.
Yes, sir.
-- Yours truly, Raymond, A conspiracy retard
Raymond
> CE 500http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol...
> Coke ad 1963http://inventors.about.com/od/cstartinventions/ss/coke_ads_8.htm
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> "I'd Like To Buy The World A Coke"
> ---- Officer Marrion L. Baker Dallas Poice Dept.
> Mr. Baker.
> "Yes, sir; I think I went to about the sixth grade."http://www.jfk-assassination.de/warren/wch/vol3/page242.php
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> Mrs Reid
> He mumbled something to me, I kept walking, he did, too. I didn't pay
> any attention to what he said because I had no thoughts of anything of
> him having any connection with it at all because he was very calm. He
> had gotten a coke and was holding it in his hands and I guess the
> reason it impressed me seeing him in there I thought it was a little
> strange that one of -the warehouse boys would be up in the office at
> the time, not that he had done anything wrong. The only time I had
> seen him in the office was to come and get change and he already had
> his COKE in his hand so he didn't come for change and I dismissed him.
> I didn't think anything else.
> Mr. Belin.
> When you saw him, I believe you said you first saw him when he was
> coming through the door?
> Mrs. Reid.
> Yes, sir.
>
> -- Yours truly, Raymond, A conspiracy retard
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TESTIMONY OF LUKE MOONEY
Warren Commission Hearings: Vol. III - Page 283
Mr. BALL - There are two elevators there?
Mr. MOONEY - I found that out later. I didn't know it at that time.
Mr. BALL - You took the west one, or the east one?
Mr. MOONEY - I would say it was the west elevator, the one nearest to
the staircase.
Mr. BALL - Did it work with a push button?
Mr. MOONEY - It was a push button affair the best I can remember. got
hold of the controls and it worked. We started up and got to the
second. I was going to let them off and go on up. And when we got
there,THE POWER UNDOUBTABLY CUT OFF BECAUSE WE HAD NO MORE POWER ON
THE ELEVATOR. So I looked around their office there, just a short
second or two, and then I went up the staircase myself. And I met some
other officers coming down, plainclothes, and I believe they were
deputy sheriffs. They were coming down the staircase. But I kept going
up. And how come I get off the sixth floor, I don't know yet. But,
anyway, I stopped on six, and didn't even know what floor I was on.
Mr. BALL - You were alone?
Mr. MOONEY - I was alone at that time.
Mr. BALL - Was there any reason for you to go to the sixth floor?
Mr. MOONEY - No, sir. That is what I say. I don't know why. I just
stopped on that particular floor. I thought I was pretty close to the
top.
Mr. BALL - Were there any other officers on the floor?
Mr. MOONEY - I didn't see any at that time. I assume there had been
other officers up there. But I didn't see them. And I begin criss-
crossing it, round and round, through boxes, looking at open windows---
some of them were open over on the south side
Raymond
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second or two, and then I went up the staircase myself. And I met
some
other officers coming down,PLAINCLOTHES and I BELIEVE they were
deputy sheriffs.... WERE THEY ????
Bud
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WEREN`T THEY ????
Bud
Chuck was right, you do think the conspiracy was putting the power
on and off.
Raymond
Mooney should have been asked if the "PLAINCLOTHES OFFICERS" were in a
hurry and he should have described their clothes. There never was any
thought given to these alleged "deputies" by the authorities.
They were coming down the staircase. But I kept going up. And how come
I get off the sixth floor, I don't know yet. But, anyway, I stopped on
six, and didn't even know what floor I was on.
Mr. BALL - You were alone?
Mr. MOONEY - I was alone at that time.
Mr. BALL - Were there any other officers on the floor?
Mr. MOONEY - I didn't see any at that time
On March 19, 1964, James Richard Worrell Jr., told the Commission
that he had seen a man rush out of the back door of the TSBD and run
out of sight
Senator COOPER - Did you notice where this man you have described
later as running away from the building, did you see him COME OUT OF
THE BUILDING?
Mr. WORRELL - Yes, sir.
Senator COOPER - Where?
Mr. WORRELL - At the back entrance. Approximately where I put the mark
"Z."
Senator COOPER - Was he running all the time you saw him?
Mr. WORRELL - Yes, sir, he SURE was.
Senator COOPER - That is all.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you see anyone else leave the building, that is the
Texas School Book Depository Building, except the man you have already
described to us?
Mr. WORRELL - No, sir.
Mr. Cooper - Did you have a profile view of the man who ran away from
the building that you described?
Mr. WORRELL - No, sir.
The nineteen year old student also told the Commission that he
actually saw the rifle fire. The young man, who was killed in a
motorcycle accident on Nov. 5, 1966, told the Commission in 1964, that
the man he saw come out of the rear door "was fast moving on."
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Another witness, Amos Euins, testified that he heard a witness tell a
policeman that he had "seen a man run out the back" and " the man had
some kind of bald spot on his head." 2 H 205-208.
Could the witness that Euins described have been Worrell? No, because
Worrell said nothing about his observation of the "running man" until
the next day, so someone else reported that they had seen a man,
clearly not Oswald, run out of the rear door of the TSBD. No attempt
was made to locate the unknown witness described by Amos Euins.
Mr. SPECTER. Were you there when the man talked about somebody running
out the back?
Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir. He said the man had - he said he had kind of bald
spot on his head. And he said the man come back there.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know what the name of the man was who told the
police that someone had run out the back?
Mr. EUINS. No, sir.
Lee Bowers testified he saw a man in a plaid jacket behind the picket
fence before the shooting.
And, a man in a plaid jacket was seen running from behind the TSBD and
"His jacket was flapping in the breeze."
Eyewitness James Worrell saw a man in a suit with black hair run out
the back door of the TSBD a few seconds after the shooting.
SEE also The Man in the Dark Sports Coat , by William Weston A man in
a dark sport coat and light colored pants dashed out of the back door
of the TSBD about three minutes after the shots had been fired at the
motorcade. He was in his late 20's or early 30's, about 5'8" tall, and
had dark brown hair. As he ran south on Houston Street, his coat was
flapping backward in the breeze. Who was this man and why was he
running away? Was he a conspirator escaping from the scene of the
crime, or was he just an excited TSBD employee? Finding an answer to
that question is not an easy undertaking, as there is much conflicting
testimony.
Bowers also observed two unfamiliar men standing on the top of the
Knoll at the edge of the parking lot, within 10 or 15 feet of each
other. "One man, middle aged or slightly older, fairly heavy set, in a
white shirt, fairly dark trousers. Another man, younger, about mid-
twenties, in either a plaid shirt or plaid coat or jacket." Both were
facing toward Elm and Houston in anticipation of the motorcade. The
two were the only strangers he remembered seeing. His description
shows a remarkable similarity to Julia Ann Mercer's description of two
unidentified men climbing the Knoll.
Anyone have an idea who this guy is? It would appear that there would
have been some kind of report concerning this individual, given the
interest by the cops.
There was no one guarding the back door shortly after the shooting
(About 20 minutes)
Forest Sorrels, SA of the Secret Service, and in the lead car of the
motorcade, went to Parkland Hospital with the President's limousine.
After 20 minutes, he returned to Dealey Plaza. Here is part of his
testimony:
Sorrels: ... And upon arrival at the Book Store, we pulled up on
the side, and I went in the back door.
Stern: Just a minute. had you heard any mention of the Book
Depository on a police broadcast as you drove to the hospital?
Sorrels: No, I never heard anything.
Stern: And, at that point, you were not certain that the shots
came from the Book Depository?
Sorrels: No, I didn't know at the time... And upon arrival at the
Book Depository, I went in the back door.
Sorrels then tells about meeting a colored man on the loading dock who
was looking off in a distance, " I don't think he knew what
happened."
Stern: There was no policeman stationed at the loading platform when
you came up?
Sorrels: I did not see one, no sir.
Reading the Warren Report, one gets the impression that Roy Truly
intended to take officer Baker directly to the stairway in the rear of
the Texas School Book Depository so that they might go to the roof of
the building since Baker thought that the assassin fired at the
president from that position. This is not true. Truly planned on using
one of the two elevators at the rear of the building next to the
stairway. However, when the two men arrived at the elevators, Truly
was unable to summon either elevator from the fifth floor, so the men
went to the stairway and began the climb to the roof.
How important was the stairway in the rear of the Texas School Book
Depository to the successful operation of the business?
It was not very important to the employees of the TSBD. They depended
on the elevators to accomplish their work. The stairway was the key to
a conspiracy, however. It was the way out of the building for the
shooter. The elevators were too slow. And ,...disrupting the elevator
operation could prevent an investigation of the various floors while
the assassin was making his way down the stairs
Too much attention is paid to the elevator activity and not enough to
the stairway on Nov. 22. 1963
First a bit about the TSBD building and the history of the company.
The now famous building at 411 Elm Street, In Dallas, was built in
1903. The original owner was International Harvester. In 1936, D.
(Dryhole) Harold Byrd, a Texas oil tycoon, bought the building with
the intention of using it to manufacture air conditioning units. The
plan never developed and the building stood vacant from 1936 to 1940.
Byrd then leased the place to Sexton Grocery who used the building as
an office and grocery warehouse. Sexton moved out in late 1961 and the
book company took out a lease in late 1962.
The TSBD Company was organized in 1908 and incorporated in 1927.
Through the 40's, they were located at 2210 Pacific Ave. In 1950, they
acquired a four story warehouse at 1917 No. Houston St.(They still
operated it in 1963). In 1952, they moved their management and
clerical personnel to 501 Elm St. ( The first floor of the Dal-Tex
Building across the street from the present TSBD building). In 1962,
the city directory shows the warehouse as vacant.
In Nov. 1963, Roy Truly, the manager , told the FBI:
" We had occupied the building at 411 Elm St. for only a few
months; the building was occupied by a wholesale grocery company
engaged in supplying restaurants and institutions." FBI File DL
100-10461.
On 11-22-63, the first person to see LHO was Patrolman Marion L.
Baker , who was riding a two-wheeled motorcycle in the motorcade. As
he approached the corner of Houston and Elm St, he heard shots that he
believed came from the building in front of him, or the building to
the right of him, which was the Dal-Tex Building. He noticed pigeons
flying from the top of the TSBD and decided to investigate. Suspicious
that the shots came from the upper floors, the officer entered the
front door of the building, encountered Truly, the manager, and asked
to be directed to the elevator, or the stairs that led to the upper
floors, where he concluded he would find the shooter.
TRULY: "... As he ran up the stairway -- I mean the steps, I was
almost to the steps, I ran up with him inside the lobby of the
building, or possibly the front steps, I don't remember that close.
But I remember it occurred to me that this man wants on top of the
building. He doesn't know the plan of the floor - and that is - that
just popped into my mind and I ran in with him. As we got in the
lobby, almost on the inside of the first floor, this policeman asked
me where the stairway is. and I said, 'This way,' And I ran diagonally
across to the northwest corner of the building." Vol. 3, p. 221 WR
Roy Sanson Truly showed signs of clairvoyance here. Despite the fact
that he believed that someone had shot at the President from west of
his building, he knew that the policeman knew otherwise and "wants on
top of the building." And why he guided the officer to the northwest
corner of the first floor, to the rear stairway and the rear freight
elevators, is confusing, since there was a stairway and an elevator
several feet from where the two men were standing, in the front lobby
of the building.
It was true that the lobby stairway only went to the second floor and
the elevator only went to the fourth floor, but doesn't it seem
natural to head upward from the nearest point and make the move to the
rear stairway after reaching the fourth floor, and especially since
Truly knew the building better than Baker?
In the May, 1994 issue, of FOURTH DECADE, Wm. Weston provided
researchers with information about the TSBD building and its history.
His title: 411 Main Street.
The author tells us that the book people had occupied the address for
only a couple of months before doing considerable renovation prior to
moving in. In addition to the new heating and air conditioning, a
narrow shaft-a dumbwaiter- was installed from the fourth floor to the
first to facilitate the paperwork movement. From Weston's work:
"When the construction of the new office suites had been completed,
they initially had one significant drawback: the only means of access
to them was either the front stairs, which went up to the second
floor, and / or the stairs in the northwest corner of the building
which ascended all the way up to the seventh floor. They could not use
the two big freight elevators in the back of the building, for they
were reserved for the warehouse workers. Climbing up and down stairs
every day was a minor hardship for some people. Yet, this problem was
later rectified when a newly constructed passenger elevator became
operational.
"As soon as the passenger elevator became operational, the stairway
in the northwest corner was closed off in lieu of 'repairs.' No one
was allowed to use it. The nature of these repairs remains unknown,
although they were not the kind that prevented heavy use of the stairs
on the day of the assassination."
From testimony of Pauline Sanders , employee: FBI interview.
"SANDERS advised that the stairwell would probably have been the
easiest way for Oswald ? to leave without being too noticeable since
the stairwell is in need of repairs and employees had been instructed
not to use the stairwell."
Yet, Truly, who probably was responsible for the directive, took
Officer Baker to the farthest point in the building to reach the upper
floors. However, Truly first went to the elevators planning on taking
Baker to the roof by way of the elevator. He only resorted to using
the stairway when he could not summon the elevator down from the fifth
floor.
The assassin had four floors between the sixth floor and the first
floor to observe the activity on the steps and could have seen or
heard Truly and Baker on the steps and even while the two men were
confronting Oswald.
Remember that the elevator was on the fifth floor when Truly and Baker
first decided to go to the roof and it , (The west elevator) was on
the first floor when Mooney got on and it stopped on the second floor
and he got off and went to the stairway and met the alleged "deputies"
who he did not know.
It was Dougherty that had brought the west elevator down to the first
floor shortly after hearing a shot while on the fifth floor, probably
while Truly and Baker started up the stairs and met LHO in the
lunchroom.
Any conspirator ( the shooter and a back up) had time to move down
from floor to floor and could even have exited the stairs while Baker
and Truly were in the lunchroom
Does anyone know where the electrical switch box was in the building
where the power could be controlled?
Although it is not possible to put the murder weapon in the hands of
Oswald, it is reasonably certain that he was up to his neck in the
conspiracy to kill JFK. He could have been controlling the elevator
operation in assisting the escape of the shooter before going to the
lunchroom where he was met by Truly and Baker. He knew the building
and would have known the location of the switch box and turned the
power off and back on when he was sure that his shooters were out of
danger.
It is highly unlikely that the "running man" was an employee of the
book building and it would be unfair to call both Worrell and Euins a
liar. They were no doubt honest and correct in describing what they
saw and heard
"PLAINCLOTHES OFFICERS" indeed?
Did Arnold Louis Rowland see the same "PLAINCLOTHES OFFICERS" holding
a rifle on the west end of the TSBD before the shooting?
Testimony of Arnold Louis Rowland
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> > So I looked around their office there, just a short
> > second or two, and then I went up the staircase myself. And I met some
> > other officers coming down, plainclothes, and I believe they were
> > deputy sheriffs. They were coming down the staircase. But I kept going
> > up. And how come I get off the sixth floor, I don't know yet. But,
> > anyway, I stopped on six, and didn't even know what floor I was on.
> > Mr. BALL - You were alone?
> > Mr. MOONEY - I was alone at that time.
> > Mr. BALL - Was there any reason for you to go to the sixth floor?
> > Mr. MOONEY - No, sir. That is what I say. I don't know why. I just
> > stopped on that particular floor. I thought I was pretty close to the
> > top.
> > Mr. BALL - Were there any other officers on the floor?
> > Mr. MOONEY - I didn't see any at that time. I assume there had been
> > other officers up there. But I didn't see them. And I begin criss-
> > crossing it, round and round, through boxes, looking at open windows---
> > some of them were open over on the south side
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