Was Jack Ruby In The Texas Theater At The Time LHO Was Arrested?
robcap...@netscape.com
George Applin was in the theater on 11/22/63 and relayed what he saw.
OF course the admission of who the mysterious man was he spoke with
would NOT be said to be Jack Ruby until 1979 as he feared for his
life.
Mr. BALL - What did you do? Go to the picture show?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. BALL - What time of day did you go there?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, actually, I went to---I was over in Oak Cliff,
around about, I guess, about 12 o'clock, I imagine is what time it
was. I was there and the show hadn't opened up, so, I was sitting in
my car listening to the radio up until the time that the show opened.
Mr. BALL - You went in the show when it opened?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Paid your way?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - And where did you take your seat? What part of the
theatre?
Mr. APPLIN - About six rows down, I got in the middle aisle, about the
middle of the chairs.
Mr. BALL - Middle aisle, six rows from the rear?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - And you were how far from the middle aisle into the row of
seats?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, about--seemed quite a little while since I thought
about this. I guess I was about four or five seats over from the
aisle.
Please read his testimony as he had an up-close view of the arrest.
I'm interested in his comments about the "man" who was sitting near
him in the theather.
Mr. BALL - Okay, fine, that is all, Mr. Applin.
Mr. APPLIN - But, there is one thing puzzling me.
Mr. BALL - What is that?
Mr. APPLIN - And I don't even know if it has any bearing on the case,
but there was one guy sitting in the back row right there where I was
standing at, and I said to him, I said, "Buddy, you'd better move.
There is a gun." And he says--just sat there. He was just back like
this. Just like this. Just watching.
Mr. BALL - Just watching the show?
Mr. APPLIN - No; I don't think he could have seen the show. Just
sitting just like this, just looking at me.
Mr. BALL - Did you know the man?
Mr. APPLIN - No; I didn't.
Mr. BALL - Ever seen him since?
Mr. APPLIN - No, sir; didn't. I tapped him on the shoulder and said,
"Buddy, you'd better move," and----
Mr. BALL - Were you scared?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, when I seen the gun I was.
Mr. BALL - Did you tell the police officer about this man?
Mr. APPLIN - No, sir; at the time, I didn't think about it, but I did
tell--I didn't even think about it when I went before the Secret
Service man, but I did tell one of the FBI men about it.
Mr. BALL - Okay. I guess that is all, Mr. Applin. Thank you very
much.
Mr. APPLIN - All right.
In 1979 he would tell a news reporter that he did recognize the man as
Jack Ruby! Applin told the Dallas Morning News the following:
"At the time the Warren Commission had me down there at the Post
Office in Dallas to get my statement, I was afraid to give it. I gave
everything up to the point of what I gave the police there in
town....I'm a pretty nervouse guy anyway because I'll you what: After
I saw that magazine where all those people they said were connected
with some of this had come up dead, it kind of made me keep a low
profile....(Jack) Ruby was sitting down, just watching them. And when
Oswald pulled the gun and snapped it at (McDonald's) head and missed
and the darned thing wouldn't fire, that is when I tapped him on the
shoulder and told him he had better move because those guns were
waving around. He just turned around and looked at me. He then
turned around and started watching them." (Crossfire: The Plot That
Killed Kennedy, p. 352)
Applin said he recognized Ruby later on from the photos shown on t.v.
following his shooting of LHO. So he knew who this man was even
though he told the WC twice he did NOT, and the reason for this lie
was given in the above statement. He was afraid for his life IF he
gave away this key piece of infrormation.
IF this is correct, and I don't know why Applin would say it was Ruby
IF it was not, then we have a repeated pattern of Ruby sightings.
Ruby was seen by several witnesses in DP prior to the shootings
(Mercer and Tilson), a sighting (and photograph according to witness
Phil Willis) in front of the TSBD after the shooting (some Mexican
women working nearby said they saw Ruby as well in front of the TSBD),
Ruby in TT (Applin) and of course the repeated sightings of Ruby at
Police HQ during the weekend leading up to the shooting.
My feeling as always been that Ruby was assigned the job of
eliminating LHO, but he was supposed to do it before he left the
TSBD! When he botched this he then followed him according to plan and
was present for the arrest. When LHO allegedly pulled his revolver
with the faulty firing pin (some researchers have said he got this
pistol from Ruby) the opportunity was there for the DPD (McDonald
probably) to eliminate him again! Whether he actually pulled the
pistol or not has been debated, but Applin said he did.
Mr. BALL - Took a swing at him and what happened then?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, the officer, I heard him say, "Here he is." And
during the proceeding of that, I guess about 5 or 10 seconds later,
there was another--I think it was two officers, or one, passed me and
ran down there to him.
Mr. BALL - Did you see a gun? (Leading question)
Mr. APPLIN - Well, the gun didn't come into view until after about
four or five officers were there.
Mr. BALL - Then did you see a gun? (Leading and repitive question)
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; but only--there was one gun. The pistol. It
came into view before any of the other officers got there.
Mr. BALL - That is what I mean. What do you say happened about that?
Who pulled a gun?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, anyhow, the officer was facing this way
[indicating] and Oswald was facing this way [indicating]. And then the
gun was pointed out that way [indicating].
When this failed they were left with one option -- transfer time!
Steve
wrote:
Rob, you big idiot. There are more holes in your story than there are
at Pebble Beach.
1. Every one of the "sightings" of Ruby in Dealey Plaza is unproven.
Not one of them has ANY forensic evidence to support it.
2. The photograph by Phil Willis does NOT show Ruby you big idiot!
You are hoping that people that read this post won't be aware of a
second photograph take seconds later by Jim Murray (1-27) that shows
the SAME scene and the SAME people as the Willis photograph, however
the Murray photograph reveals to absolute certainty that the man in
the far right of the Willis photograph is certainly NOT Jack Ruby.
Too bad for you I know my photographs, so that claim goes right out
the window doesn't it?
3. You are totally ignoring the air-tight alibi Ruby has of being at
the Dallas Times Herald offices at the time of the assassination.
You are such a moron.
4. Are you REALLY postulating that this highly-trained team of hitmen
were unable to track down your star witness for 16 years? Your start
witness was unable to speak freely in the 16 years prior to 1979 but
for some unknown reason now after 16 years on the run he had reach
sanctuary and he could finally reveal that it was Jack Ruby he saw at
the Texas Theater?
I hate to sound negative and judgemental, but this theory is stupid
even for someone as gullible and silly-minded as you.
I guess it's back to the drawing board to draw up another dumbass
theory that goes nowhere.
Better luck next time, Jackball.
Sam McClung
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> IF this is correct, and I don't know why Applin would say it was Ruby
> IF it was not, then we have a repeated pattern of Ruby sightings.
> Ruby was seen by several witnesses in DP prior to the shootings
> (Mercer and Tilson), a sighting (and photograph according to witness
> Phil Willis) in front of the TSBD after the shooting (some Mexican
> women working nearby said they saw Ruby as well in front of the TSBD),
> Ruby in TT (Applin) and of course the repeated sightings of Ruby at
> Police HQ during the weekend leading up to the shooting.
I believe ruby was also sighted, recognized, and pursured by both jean hill
and tom tilson when ruby was cleansing the north knoll sniper's rifle from
dealey plaza
ruby was also seen near the tsbd near assassination time by the guy who
became dallas' mayor and was supposedly seen on the south east side of
dealey plaza during the shooting by an irs worker (appears to be ruby's
alibi)
> My feeling as always been that Ruby was assigned the job of
> eliminating LHO, but he was supposed to do it before he left the
> TSBD!
the evidence seems to indicate one of ruby's task was to cleanse the north
knoll sniper's rifle from dealey plaza immediately after the shooting
stopped and ruby did that, which would be at odds with him also being
present to kill oswald inside the tsbd
giancana indicated it was tippit's job to kill oswald but tippit balked at
it and let oswald go, so then tippit and oswald had to be killed, tippit by
white and oswald by ruby
as to white, seems white's preacher indicated that white told him that he
thought he was working for the cia and saving the usa but found out he had
been tricked,
that's in the roscoe white videos here
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/subindex/news/fox_4_projects/jfk_video
(roscoe stories under "conmspiracies" on the left)
curtjester1
just in the future as he did in the 70's. John Armstrong gives an
interesting account of one called 'the manager' who fingered LHO to
the police. The manager had already left for the day at the exact
time Oswald or whoever was entering the theater circa 1:40 meeting
between the double doors much before the arrest.
CJ
On Nov 23, 11:37 am, "robcap...@netscape.com" <robcap...@netscape.com>
wrote:
Raymond
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Steve. Where was Jack Ruby during the shooting and shortly after?
Was he in the Dallas Morning News like he said he was?
Where there witnesses to Jack's claim of being in the News
at the time of the shooting of the president?
Can you name them?
And was he seen later at Parkland Hospital by several people
including the news reporter, Seth Kantor , who talked to Jack
while there?
Raymond
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Page II Kantor Exhibit # 7
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh20/pdf/WH20_Kantor_Ex_7.pdf
Raymond
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page III
Ruby in front of the TSBD several minutes after the shooting
His back is to Willis' camera facing the policeman.
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh21/pdf/WH21_Willis_Ex_1.pdf
“Great talker, great liar.”
French Proverb quotes
He was not in the Dallas Morning News at 12:30 when JFK was shot like
he said he was.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?absPageId=519986
Alice:"... one can't believe impossible things."
The Queen: "... Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six
impossible things before breakfast."
-Lewis Carrol: Through the Looking Glass.
Raymond
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> Page II Kantor Exhibit # 7
> http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh20/pdf/WH20_Kantor_Ex_7.pdf
> page III
> Ruby in front of the TSBD several minutes after the shooting
> His back is to Willis' camera facing the policeman.http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh21/pdf/WH21_Willis_...
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> “Great talker, great liar.”
> French Proverb quotes
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> He was not in the Dallas Morning News at 12:30 when JFK was shot like
> he said he was.http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?absPageId...
robcap...@netscape.com
Do tell SteveCon!
> 1. Every one of the "sightings" of Ruby in Dealey Plaza is unproven.
> Not one of them has ANY forensic evidence to support it.
YOU don't need forensic evidence for eyewitness testimony moron.
Furthermore, the photo Willis took was included in the WC's exhibits,
but the oddest thing happened -- they cropped it so the face of the
man in it (in front of the TSBD right after the shooting) can't be
fully seen! Why is that SteveCon???
Check this list of sightings on Education Forum!
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=3525
> 2. The photograph by Phil Willis does NOT show Ruby you big idiot!
Willis disagrees with you and he KNEW Ruby personally!
> You are hoping that people that read this post won't be aware of a
> second photograph take seconds later by Jim Murray (1-27) that shows
> the SAME scene and the SAME people as the Willis photograph, however
> the Murray photograph reveals to absolute certainty that the man in
> the far right of the Willis photograph is certainly NOT Jack Ruby.
Why crop out his face then???
> Too bad for you I know my photographs, so that claim goes right out
> the window doesn't it?
ONLY in your world of denial it does!
> 3. You are totally ignoring the air-tight alibi Ruby has of being at
> the Dallas Times Herald offices at the time of the assassination.
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> You are such a moron.
It is NOT airtight liar.
> 4. Are you REALLY postulating that this highly-trained team of hitmen
> were unable to track down your star witness for 16 years?
Never said that liar, what I said is he never gave them a reason to
track him down as he kept his mouth shut until 1979.
> Your start
> witness was unable to speak freely in the 16 years prior to 1979 but
> for some unknown reason now after 16 years on the run he had reach
> sanctuary and he could finally reveal that it was Jack Ruby he saw at
> the Texas Theater?
Who said he was on "the run" besides you liar?? When you lie about the
basics it makes NO one believe you on the other stuff.
> I hate to sound negative and judgemental, but this theory is stupid
> even for someone as gullible and silly-minded as you.
Prove it. Show us where Ruby was for sure at the time of the arrest
of LHO!
I want hard evidence too, NOT conjecture.
> I guess it's back to the drawing board to draw up another dumbass
> theory that goes nowhere.
Why? Because a liar like you said so?? LOL!!
> Better luck next time, Jackball.
I will never have "luck" with con men like you! Not even trying to
either.
Nobody
wrote:
curtjester1
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Ruby is key for the whole case. He knew it, and if granted immunity
in Washington would have saved us a whole lot of problems. Mr. Carter
a restaurant owner in Oakcliff said Ruby, 'Oswald', and Tippit were
regular breakfast customers at his restaurant (in the same group).
CJ