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John Smith

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Jan 31, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/31/00
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Okay, I'm sure someone wants to answer this for me. we all know there was a
shot at 312/313, Kennedy's head visually explodes, I'm not asking which
direction (I think it's a rear shot). The WC would have us believe there
were 3 and only 3 shots right? We have the Magic Bullet shot, the Head
shot, and the missed shot. Someone please post the Z frames and the shot
that corresponds. Does anyone NOT believe that there was a shot at Z285? A
mere 1.5 seconds before the Head shot at 312? Some people think there was a
near simultaneous shot from the front that also hit JFK in the head, it
would have come shortly after 313, if that were so, it would corroborate
witness testimony that shots came
bang (a few seconds pause) bang, bang with almost no pause in-between the
last 2. I don't know about you all, but 1.5 seconds is long enough for me
to take a full breath, not exactly what I'd describe as 'right on top of',
but anyway I digress, I'm not here to ask about unfounded extra shots. Of
the shots we are sure of, what are they and what Zframe do they occur at,
thanks group, L8ter all.


SKeat97

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Feb 2, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/2/00
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>From: "John Smith"

>Okay, I'm sure someone wants to answer this for me. we all know there was a
>shot at 312/313, Kennedy's head visually explodes, I'm not asking which
>direction (I think it's a rear shot). The WC would have us believe there
>were 3 and only 3 shots right?

Yes, and that is what an overwhelming amount of evidence shows.
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We have the Magic Bullet shot, the Head
>shot, and the missed shot. Someone please post the Z frames and the shot
>that corresponds.

1st early missed shot between 155 and 165 likely but unknown. Shot 2 at 222-223
verified by the visual evidence and strongly supported by JBC testimony. Shot 3
at 312-313.

Does anyone NOT believe that there was a shot at Z285?

A better way to put that is: Does anybody believe in a shot at Z285. To my
knowledge, only a handful of people do. It was first suggested by Robert Harris
but is totally unsupported by the evidence.

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>mere 1.5 seconds before the Head shot at 312? Some people think there was a
>near simultaneous shot from the front that also hit JFK in the head, it
>would have come shortly after 313, if that were so, it would corroborate
>witness testimony that shots came
>bang (a few seconds pause) bang, bang with almost no pause in-between the
>last 2. I don't know about you all, but 1.5 seconds is long enough for me
>to take a full breath, not exactly what I'd describe as 'right on top of',
>but anyway I digress, I'm not here to ask about unfounded extra shots.

All totally unfounded.

Of
>the shots we are sure of, what are they and what Zframe do they occur at,
>thanks group, L8ter all.

No prob. Regards.

Steve K.
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cdm

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Feb 8, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/8/00
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there was and invistagition into the police tape that record the whole thing
it was from one of the motocycle cops with the technology today they proved
that there was 4 shots and they matched up the timings with the Z-film after
the fatal head shot the pres slumped down a a finial shot hit him in the
back of the head.
John Smith <john...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Okay, I'm sure someone wants to answer this for me. we all know there was
a
> shot at 312/313, Kennedy's head visually explodes, I'm not asking which
> direction (I think it's a rear shot). The WC would have us believe there
> were 3 and only 3 shots right? We have the Magic Bullet shot, the Head

> shot, and the missed shot. Someone please post the Z frames and the shot
> that corresponds. Does anyone NOT believe that there was a shot at Z285?
A

> mere 1.5 seconds before the Head shot at 312? Some people think there was
a
> near simultaneous shot from the front that also hit JFK in the head, it
> would have come shortly after 313, if that were so, it would corroborate
> witness testimony that shots came
> bang (a few seconds pause) bang, bang with almost no pause in-between the
> last 2. I don't know about you all, but 1.5 seconds is long enough for me
> to take a full breath, not exactly what I'd describe as 'right on top of',
> but anyway I digress, I'm not here to ask about unfounded extra shots. Of

Russell Burr

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Feb 8, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/8/00
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cdm wrote:

> there was and invistagition into the police tape that record the whole thing
> it was from one of the motocycle cops with the technology today they proved
> that there was 4 shots and they matched up the timings with the Z-film after
> the fatal head shot the pres slumped down a a finial shot hit him in the
> back of the head.

That study conducted by BBN for the HSCA was refuted by Steve Barber and
as a result of his discovery, the National Academy of Science studied it.
and the findings of BBN were refuted. However, it's still extremely
controversial.

The biggest reason that it was refuted was that there was some crosstalk
and during the alleged time of the shooting, and you can hear Sherrif
Decker saying, "Hold everything secure", which he said a minute and a half
after the shooting.

But remember for everyone who supports Barber and NAS, there are some
extremely well educated researchers who support the BBN findings.

Russ

Tony Pitman

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Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2000 15:33:13 -0600, Russell Burr <l...@foxvalley.net>
wrote:

>cdm wrote:
>
>> there was and invistagition into the police tape that record the whole thing
>> it was from one of the motocycle cops with the technology today they proved
>> that there was 4 shots and they matched up the timings with the Z-film after
>> the fatal head shot the pres slumped down a a finial shot hit him in the
>> back of the head.
>
>That study conducted by BBN for the HSCA was refuted by Steve Barber and
>as a result of his discovery, the National Academy of Science studied it.
>and the findings of BBN were refuted. However, it's still extremely
>controversial.
>
>The biggest reason that it was refuted was that there was some crosstalk
>and during the alleged time of the shooting, and you can hear Sherrif
>Decker saying, "Hold everything secure", which he said a minute and a half
>after the shooting.
>
>But remember for everyone who supports Barber and NAS, there are some
>extremely well educated researchers who support the BBN findings.
>
>Russ

It seems odd to me that it took Decker a minute and a half to issue
that order. That is an eternity in a situation like that.
For trained men to take that long to react to shooting is ridiculous.

Tony

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