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Ilya Shambat
Feb 2, 2012, 3:36:24 AM2/2/12
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Many conservative leaders have been attacking Julian Assange,
including threatening to murder him. This is entirely inconsistent
with what conservatives have been saying for decades about defending
the taxpayer and about holding to scrutiny the government that is
supposed to be serving the people.
Julian Assange has done the taxpayer a great service of informing him
what was being done at his expense. He exposed corrupt and fraudulent
practices that were being done by the government and informed the
people of these wrongful practices. By logic of conservatism, he is a
hero and should be treated as a hero.
Conservatives should be supporting Julian Assange as the precise
embodiment of what they have preached for decades.
Whether you are a conservative, a liberal, a moderate, or a
libertarian: Julian Assange has done you a service, and he has done
your country a service. It is only rightful that he be repaid with
honor rather than death or imprisonment.
Support democracy and help to free Julian Assange.
including threatening to murder him. This is entirely inconsistent
with what conservatives have been saying for decades about defending
the taxpayer and about holding to scrutiny the government that is
supposed to be serving the people.
Julian Assange has done the taxpayer a great service of informing him
what was being done at his expense. He exposed corrupt and fraudulent
practices that were being done by the government and informed the
people of these wrongful practices. By logic of conservatism, he is a
hero and should be treated as a hero.
Conservatives should be supporting Julian Assange as the precise
embodiment of what they have preached for decades.
Whether you are a conservative, a liberal, a moderate, or a
libertarian: Julian Assange has done you a service, and he has done
your country a service. It is only rightful that he be repaid with
honor rather than death or imprisonment.
Support democracy and help to free Julian Assange.
Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess
Feb 2, 2012, 4:22:16 AM2/2/12
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limits of freedom of expression while also working on "rubber hose"
security research. I'm not sure I can agree with his methods as being
100% correct in principle, but I do regard him as honourable, well
intended, and compassionate about freedom.
This man's courage is tremendous, for he took on all the governments
of the world in the face of immense political pressure, and he did so
in a meaningful way that made history.
I suspect that his work contributed in many ways to the sleeping giant
that is just starting to wake up in recent years, basking the theme of
"occupy wall street" protests that threaten to restore compassion as a
core social value (I doubt it will end here though).
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"In a revolution one wins or dies, if it is a real one."
-- Che Guevara
MajorOz
Feb 2, 2012, 12:01:35 PM2/2/12
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On Feb 2, 3:22 am, "Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess"
I'm very happy he wasn't around in May of 1944.
news
Feb 2, 2012, 8:45:55 PM2/2/12
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"Ilya Shambat" <ibsh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:389f61e6-dee4-47bc...@i18g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
> Many conservative leaders have been attacking Julian Assange,
He's a smug self-serving asshole.
Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess
Feb 2, 2012, 9:40:03 PM2/2/12
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On Feb 2, 5:45 pm, "news" <n...@news.org> wrote:
> "Ilya Shambat" <ibsham...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Allow the president to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall
deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so
whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a
purpose, thus you allow him to make war at pleasure."
-- Abraham Lincoln
> "Ilya Shambat" <ibsham...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:389f61e6-dee4-47bc...@i18g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
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> > Many conservative leaders have been attacking Julian Assange,
>
> He's a smug self-serving asshole.
Why?
> news:389f61e6-dee4-47bc...@i18g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Many conservative leaders have been attacking Julian Assange,
>
> He's a smug self-serving asshole.
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Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so
whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a
purpose, thus you allow him to make war at pleasure."
-- Abraham Lincoln
John Baker
Feb 2, 2012, 10:13:06 PM2/2/12
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MajorOz
Feb 2, 2012, 11:23:57 PM2/2/12
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On Feb 2, 8:40 pm, "Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess"
Not sure..........probably environmental.
Although it could be genetic.
Although it could be genetic.
Ilya Shambat
Feb 17, 2012, 7:48:50 AM2/17/12
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On Feb 2, 7:13 pm, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 20:45:55 -0500, "news" <n...@news.org> wrote:
>
> >"Ilya Shambat" <ibsham...@gmail.com> wrote in message
to argue in favor of Julian Assange: Namely that he is informing the
taxpayer of what's being done at his expense.
Conservatives who laud people who expose fraud in the government, but
howl about someone who exposed fraud in government's biggest, most
expensive and most wasteful bureaucracy, are obviously a bunch of
logically challenged hypocrites.
If it's right to expose fraud and corruption in civil government, it
is also right to expose fraud and corruption in the military. And a
conservative who is actually true to his creed would support someone
who does that.
> On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 20:45:55 -0500, "news" <n...@news.org> wrote:
>
> >"Ilya Shambat" <ibsham...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:389f61e6-dee4-47bc...@i18g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
> >> Many conservative leaders have been attacking Julian Assange,
>
> >He's a smug self-serving asshole.
>
> So he's a Republican, then...
Interesting take. I was actually using arguments of the conservatives
> >> Many conservative leaders have been attacking Julian Assange,
>
> >He's a smug self-serving asshole.
>
> So he's a Republican, then...
to argue in favor of Julian Assange: Namely that he is informing the
taxpayer of what's being done at his expense.
Conservatives who laud people who expose fraud in the government, but
howl about someone who exposed fraud in government's biggest, most
expensive and most wasteful bureaucracy, are obviously a bunch of
logically challenged hypocrites.
If it's right to expose fraud and corruption in civil government, it
is also right to expose fraud and corruption in the military. And a
conservative who is actually true to his creed would support someone
who does that.
John Baker
Mar 3, 2012, 12:34:27 PM3/3/12
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:48:50 -0800 (PST), Ilya Shambat
<ibsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Feb 2, 7:13 pm, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 20:45:55 -0500, "news" <n...@news.org> wrote:
>>
>> >"Ilya Shambat" <ibsham...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:389f61e6-dee4-47bc...@i18g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>> >> Many conservative leaders have been attacking Julian Assange,
>>
>> >He's a smug self-serving asshole.
>>
>> So he's a Republican, then...
>
>Interesting take.
Just a sarcastic one. In my experience, the phrase "smug, self-serving
<ibsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Feb 2, 7:13 pm, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 20:45:55 -0500, "news" <n...@news.org> wrote:
>>
>> >"Ilya Shambat" <ibsham...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:389f61e6-dee4-47bc...@i18g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>> >> Many conservative leaders have been attacking Julian Assange,
>>
>> >He's a smug self-serving asshole.
>>
>> So he's a Republican, then...
>
>Interesting take.
asshole" sums up the average Republican in a nutshell.
Frank McCoy
Mar 3, 2012, 1:53:46 PM3/3/12
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John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:48:50 -0800 (PST), Ilya Shambat
><ibsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 2, 7:13 pm, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 20:45:55 -0500, "news" <n...@news.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> >"Ilya Shambat" <ibsham...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >news:389f61e6-dee4-47bc...@i18g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>>> >> Many conservative leaders have been attacking Julian Assange,
>>>
>>> >He's a smug self-serving asshole.
>>>
>>> So he's a Republican, then...
>>
>>Interesting take.
>
>Just a sarcastic one. In my experience, the phrase "smug, self-serving
>asshole" sums up the average Republican in a nutshell.
>
I used-to-wonder about Bill O'Reilly always taking the part of Big
>On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:48:50 -0800 (PST), Ilya Shambat
><ibsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 2, 7:13 pm, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 20:45:55 -0500, "news" <n...@news.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> >"Ilya Shambat" <ibsham...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >news:389f61e6-dee4-47bc...@i18g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>>> >> Many conservative leaders have been attacking Julian Assange,
>>>
>>> >He's a smug self-serving asshole.
>>>
>>> So he's a Republican, then...
>>
>>Interesting take.
>
>Just a sarcastic one. In my experience, the phrase "smug, self-serving
>asshole" sums up the average Republican in a nutshell.
>
Business; while never EVER seeing that Big Business left uncontrolled
is fully as bad as Big Government left uncontrolled, when he CLAIMS to
be "Fair and Balanced" (TM).
Of course, any idiot can see that no matter how extreme you are in
politics, religion, or any other controversial issue, there's always
somebody even further to the right, left, or over-the-cliff; so Bill
just can point to THEM, and say, "In comparison, I'm a moderate!"
And, sadly, he'll be right. (Pun intended.)
Yes, it happens with the Left, as well.
Then, the other day, I had an epiphany.
Of COURSE O'Reilly thinks that way!
It also readily explains why most politician (Yes, both Democrats AND
Republicans) have similar attitudes.
And, surprisingly, it ain't because of all the Big Business lobbyists
paying off those in power (though I doubt much that they object very
much to being paid, promoted, or having their campaigns financed by
people trying to get them to do what they'd do anyway).
It's that Bill, along with just about ALL of those people in Congress,
are relatively RICH. Oh, not so many smokingly-rich like the
Kennedys; but probably 90% or more are in "the one-percent" so often
brandied about.
The POINT is: Those people don't have their money in a bank.
They (usually)don't run companies and earn money that way.
So ... Where *IS* all their money ... The money they live off of
day-to-day and buy their luxuries with.
It ain't bribes from lobbyists.
It ain't jobs like being lawyers or doctors or whatever else GOT them
rich.
It really ain't their pay as congress-critters either. Most of THAT
actually goes into supporting their positions.
DUH!
They (almost all) have rather obscene amounts of money (Obscene to
most of us living paychect-to-paycheck; not obscene if we're making a
decent living and working to get that rich ourselves) stuffed away in
the logical place for people WITH money: Stocks, bonds, gold, and
Real-Estate. Mostly stocks.
So ... Think about it:
If the stock-market goes UP, then people like Bill O'Reilly make lots
of money. If it goes DOWN, then they LOSE money. Therefore
(obviously) anything that improves the Stock-Market is GOOD for Bill;
and therefore MUST be good for the country! It only makes sense!
After all, don't MOST pepople think, "If it's good for ME, then it
must be good for the country too!"
I suspect THAT attitude goes with close to 95% or more of people.
So, Bill O'Reilly isn't all that far off in thinking he's just like
the rest of the country in his attitudes.
Well ... OK ... If you carefully PICK which attitudes.
>
>>I was actually using arguments of the conservatives
>>to argue in favor of Julian Assange: Namely that he is informing the
>>taxpayer of what's being done at his expense.
>>
>>Conservatives who laud people who expose fraud in the government, but
>>howl about someone who exposed fraud in government's biggest, most
>>expensive and most wasteful bureaucracy, are obviously a bunch of
>>logically challenged hypocrites.
>>
>>If it's right to expose fraud and corruption in civil government, it
>>is also right to expose fraud and corruption in the military. And a
>>conservative who is actually true to his creed would support someone
>>who does that.
http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-02-25/
>>I was actually using arguments of the conservatives
>>to argue in favor of Julian Assange: Namely that he is informing the
>>taxpayer of what's being done at his expense.
>>
>>Conservatives who laud people who expose fraud in the government, but
>>howl about someone who exposed fraud in government's biggest, most
>>expensive and most wasteful bureaucracy, are obviously a bunch of
>>logically challenged hypocrites.
>>
>>If it's right to expose fraud and corruption in civil government, it
>>is also right to expose fraud and corruption in the military. And a
>>conservative who is actually true to his creed would support someone
>>who does that.
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Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole
Mar 5, 2012, 12:20:07 AM3/5/12
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John Baker wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:48:50 -0800 (PST), Ilya Shambat
> <ibsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Feb 2, 7:13 pm, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 20:45:55 -0500, "news" <n...@news.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Ilya Shambat" <ibsham...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> Many conservative leaders have been attacking Julian Assange,
> >>
> >> >He's a smug self-serving asshole.
> >>
> >> So he's a Republican, then...
> >
> >Interesting take.
>
> Just a sarcastic one. In my experience, the phrase "smug, self-serving
> asshole" sums up the average Republican in a nutshell.
No it doesn't
> >>
> >> >He's a smug self-serving asshole.
> >>
> >> So he's a Republican, then...
> >
> >Interesting take.
>
> Just a sarcastic one. In my experience, the phrase "smug, self-serving
> asshole" sums up the average Republican in a nutshell.
Goes a Whole Lot further than that.
Moral Majority and Friends did wonders.
Liberal's like Steven's said about the Environmentalists, are to damned busy
throwing Parties at the Peoples Expense to worry about anything but Hugging
Trees, so the can keep from falling off the face of the earth!
Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole
Mar 5, 2012, 12:21:53 AM3/5/12
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Frank McCoy wrote:
> John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:48:50 -0800 (PST), Ilya Shambat
> ><ibsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On Feb 2, 7:13Â pm, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 20:45:55 -0500, "news" <n...@news.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >"Ilya Shambat" <ibsham...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> >>> >> Many conservative leaders have been attacking Julian Assange,
> >>>
> >>> >He's a smug self-serving asshole.
> >>>
> >>> So he's a Republican, then...
> >>
> >>Interesting take.
> >
> >Just a sarcastic one. In my experience, the phrase "smug, self-serving
> >asshole" sums up the average Republican in a nutshell.
> >
> I used-to-wonder about Bill O'Reilly always taking the part of Big
> Business; while never EVER seeing that Big Business left uncontrolled
> is fully as bad as Big Government left uncontrolled, when he CLAIMS to
> be "Fair and Balanced" (TM).
"Fair and Balanced" ????
> >>>
> >>> >He's a smug self-serving asshole.
> >>>
> >>> So he's a Republican, then...
> >>
> >>Interesting take.
> >
> >Just a sarcastic one. In my experience, the phrase "smug, self-serving
> >asshole" sums up the average Republican in a nutshell.
> >
> I used-to-wonder about Bill O'Reilly always taking the part of Big
> Business; while never EVER seeing that Big Business left uncontrolled
> is fully as bad as Big Government left uncontrolled, when he CLAIMS to
> be "Fair and Balanced" (TM).
Sure.
Frank McCoy
Mar 5, 2012, 5:21:25 PM3/5/12
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Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole
Mar 10, 2012, 11:19:00 PM3/10/12
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The "LIBERTIES", those "FRENCH" People want, "Led to the Muslimisation of
Europe"!
Least that is what Alaska's, Uncle Ted said!
Murkowski's Big Daddy told Congress "If the United States doesn't get out of
the way of opening ANWR, there is gonna be one less Star, on the Flag".
Palin and Friends are Living Proof of it!
Gonna take America away from the Cathar's, and Jacobites, those of "All the
Unmitigated Gaul", and return the place to the Madness of King George, and HIS
Bible Thumpers!
Puritan's calling Puritani, "un-American, and Nazis".
Then I gotta sit through a News Bit with Ms. Murkowski, herself, Slamming the
DOJ, for "PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT"?
God love it!
Frank McCoy
Mar 11, 2012, 1:02:37 AM3/11/12
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>Palin and Friends are Living Proof of it!
Do you spell that F-word with or without the 'r'?
Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole
Mar 13, 2012, 12:53:28 AM3/13/12
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