So Look....
Stephen
up anything I want to do......I can then go Non-profit and
put on the act and really clean up. And the same deal is
the process serving business which is now just a tax
shelter.
I got $500 on me and I got to buy my son a birthday present
this month. I got food for about two weeks. I got to pay
the rent and phone and cable so $270 is gone. I got $230
dollars on me.
So I got what?
I got no desire to do anything as long as a little change is
coming in. I got state tax to retrive come the first and
renters refunds and all that crap again. It looks like I am
good until summer.
I am trying to not do anything.
lurchc19
Do us all a favor,and try and not post anything!!!Steven,you spout so
much shit out of your mouth,shame on you.Instead of allways saying" I
could do something" try" I did something".Accomplish,do'nt wish you
could.Such a pompous windbag...How about writing a book?"Things I never
accomplished ,like I said I would!" or perhaps "Why I Lie,and why I do
it" or"SPV-The Classic BUFFOON". Stop being that "Nasty Neighbor" that
all the kids leave a flaming bag of dog shit to stomp out on
Halloween,and settle down.ButtFace,people do care!!!!!!!!!!
down.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> (Stephen) Such a pompous windbag.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
Well, you know Stephen lives in a world of "High Finanace". That's where
he gets "high" and talks about the dime, two nickles, and six pennies
that he has in his pocket!
Pomposity is everywhere in need of pummeling! :)
Heh heh heh heh.
--
Beware the Obvious-Suspect the Reality
AllisonWonderland
http://www.livingston.net/allison/ISIB.htm
http://members.nbci.com/Crystalume/
Stephen
shit. What shit? You can't even say anything because it's all true.
Stephen
with the Judi topic. One lying extreme to the other lying extreme. I give
examples. I am just stomping you all the time. YOu would think you would
dummy up?
tiresias
If you meet a pompous person on the path, pummel him.
I await mine or shall I self administer...mind you who else...
Whacko, six of the best!!!!!!
"~~~AllisonWonderland~~~" <all...@livingston.net> wrote in message
news:3A2933...@livingston.net...
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> I am just stomping you all the time.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
Just like Oscar Bonevena stomped the shit out of Muhammed Ali. Just like
George Forman stomped the shit out of Muhammed Ali. Just like Spinks
stomped the shit out of Mike Tyson.
In your dreams, you stupid, lazy, fat, bald, piece of shit!
You are so asleep and snoring that don't even know when you are being
"rope-a-doped"!!!
And Stephen goes down for the count
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
Knockout!
The winner, and still heavyweight champeen of the world...
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
lurchc19
>
> ********SPV....Lurch what are you talking about.
You mean you do'nt know? I find that hard to believe from a "Master"
You claim to know all,see all,be alll,etc,etc,......
You claim I spout this
> shit.
EEEEYYYYYYYUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!
What shit?
Take your pick,you've spread alot of it.
You can't even say anything because it's all true.
Thankfully you take care of that ButtFace,or should you claim it's true?
Stephen
mouth. What am I lying about?
lurchc19
>
> ********SPV......Now I just want to hear how stupid you are from your own
> mouth. What am I lying about?
EVERYTHING YOU SPEAK OF BUTTFACE,CANT YOU SEE?HOW ABOUT THE
SPACESHIP?
Stephen
that. She would say, "Do you want me to pummel you, and that means beat you
about the head and neck?" And I would look because it was a mechanical habit,
she would be saying it out of habit, and I looked at her and she had already
lost her front teeth because they were a bridge. She was stupid, and you
sound just like her. What do you do with someone like me that you can't
pummel or even put up much a logical fight with because I see through all the
bullshit. And you don't know the strength of this because I can just see
through your dreams. I always tell you the truth as best I can. I can always
bullshit any or all of you. And why you forget that is beyond me. You just
don't get it.
tiresias wrote:
> ###~~~AW~~~###
>
> If you meet a pompous person on the path, pummel him.
>
> I await mine or shall I self administer...mind you who else...
>
> Whacko, six of the best!!!!!!
>
> "~~~AllisonWonderland~~~" <all...@livingston.net> wrote in message
> news:3A2933...@livingston.net...
> > lurchc19 wrote:
> > > (Stephen) Such a pompous windbag.
> >
> > ~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
> > Well, you know Stephen lives in a world of "High Finanace". That's where
> > he gets "high" and talks about the dime, two nickles, and six pennies
> > that he has in his pocket!
> >
> > Pomposity is everywhere in need of pummeling! :)
> >
Stephen
the Air Force and the Navy are doing with making better and better jets? The new
Jets are not only armored by they can stop on a dime and spin. And what about the
Space Station? And you don't think the first atomic rockets with their pollutions
were not tried before the radiation and weaknesses were learned?
tiresias
Teeth appear to be a major feature for you.
I think I will book myself in with the dentist I have not seen him for a
year.
When I have fillings I have them in gold.
Smile...no perhaps its best you don't.
"Stephen" <"svanier(nospam)"@uswest.net> wrote in message
news:3A29E00A...@uswest.net...
Stephen
********SPV.....I dance like a butterfly and hit like a killer bee.
Stephen
poverty? You wish to hurt me? Why would you wish to do this? Because I hurt
your ego? And what do you hurt of me? Now look deeper. You would make me
feel jealousy by your mean remarks about my teeth. So you attack me as if I am
vain and then you flaunt the money that you thinks everyone envys or which
people envy.
So tell me the truth, Tired Tread, as you lay dying like a dog, tell me Tired
Tread, is having Gold in the teeth what makes everyone and yourself happy.
Does it give you joy to have gold in the teeth? And look at the hollow and
shallow world you have created for yourself. Shallow, petty, cruel and
pointless. What a way to die. To come to earth and spend your life being
shallow petty pointless and cruel and you wonder why you die of cancer and
poison????
lurchc19
>
> **********SPV.......You don't think we are making a spaceship? What do you think
> the Air Force and the Navy are doing with making better and better jets? The new
> Jets are not only armored by they can stop on a dime and spin. And what about the
> Space Station? And you don't think the first atomic rockets with their pollutions
> were not tried before the radiation and weaknesses were learned?
BUTTFACE, this is all good;but in your postsYOU claimed to be doing that
all alone,not the GOVT!!!!!!!! You are talking shit like allways,and
expecting people to believe you had something to do with it.Such a putz!
Stephen
same thing. Duh!
lurchc19
>
> *********SPV.....Lurch if I am God am merged that means the government and myself are the
> same thing. Duh!
You're so stupid that it's even bothering me!Would that Merge you speak
of mean that it will be called Godverment?What effect will that have on
your "Buddhafield"?How about if we call it"Govergod"?Please show PROOF!
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> if I am God
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
Which you are NOT!
Stephen:
> (I) am merged that means the government and myself are the
> same thing. Duh!
~~~AW~~~:
Then how come you aren't getting more money from yourself? How come you
have to investigate Social Security if you and the government are the
"same thing"?
Stephen, I'm not going to wait till you're dead to piss on you! You'll
know who I am by observing the next time you get pissed on. When you
start to smell like decayed urine, you'll know that I've been there
while you were sleeping (which is 100% of the time) and "gotcha"! Gonna
make you smell like a used diaper, which might just be an improvement!
And I'm going to start NOW! Pisssssssssssssssssssssssssss on YOU!!! :)
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
snip snip snip snip snips snip snip snip snip snip snip snip snip snip
snip snip snip snip snips snip snip snip snip snip snip snip snip snip
snip snip snip snip snips snip snip snip snip snip snip snip snip snip
snip snip snip snip snips snip snip snip snip snip snip snip snip snip
~~~AllionSonderland~~~
Pisss pisss pisss pisss pisss pisss pisss pisss pisss pisss pisss pisss
Pisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Heh heh heh heh!
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
Stephen
him because he has don't this below to me for years. He can't stand my
writing. He can't stand anyone not listening to him. So in his own
shallow mind he thinks if he deletes me he really hurts me. So seeing he
was just showing me his faults I snip his balls and he howls.
Now when does he slap me around. All he does is expose himself to me.
What a pathetic loser.
Stephen
You are only trying to convince yourself of your own innocense when you just
exposed your flaws like you did. You say,
"With all the suffering in the world you think your rotting teeth are very
important indeed and its so funny how you can square your perception of
having imaginary buddy field powers to change the world that you end up
being obsessed about your own teeth "
********SPV.....They are to me. Why would they not be important if I am awake?
Of course they are important to me. And what is this "imaginary Buddhafield
powers"? Why do you call it imaginary?
tiresias wrote:
> RSVP,
> yes I want to rub your silly nose in your romantic concept of "poverty".
> Shit man you get food to eat, shelter, warmth, that is a definition of
> wealth in the world outside your contemptible Captain America perception.
>
> With all the suffering in the world you think your rotting teeth are very
> important indeed and its so funny how you can square your perception of
> having imaginary buddy field powers to change the world that you end up
> being obsessed about your own teeth .
>
> You are such a human, such an Egoteethst.
>
> I am sure that with your awesome powers of enlightenment that you will be
> able to sort out some dentistry especially with your 15000 IQ.
>
> Silly boy, I do love reading your postings I think you are quite sweet in a
> pathetic manner.
>
> Of course I am trying to hurt you and wake you up from your cocoon of
> self-indulgent dreaming into a more subtle and evolving style of delusionary
> madman. Look I like your usenet presence and look on it as a compliment that
> an equally deluded madman sees fit to laugh at you and rib you. Are you a
> wimp or what.
>
> *s*m*i*l*e* it could be so much worse and you know it may well be so.
> Remember you could die today and so could I. I am disabled and surviving
> frugally on government disability benefits in the most right-wing country in
> Western Europe, namely England, so I am only teasing you from a sense of
> companionship. There is gallows humour and there is disability humour too.
> So as the song goes : Smile though your teeth are aching, smile though your
> gums are bleeding.....
>
> "Stephen" <"svanier(nospam)"@uswest.net> wrote in message
> news:3A2A7593...@uswest.net...
> > > > > > Pomposity is everywhere in need of pummeling! :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Heh heh heh heh.
> > > > > >
Stephen
*******SPV.....Pervert you are so stupid. What in existence that is alive
is not God. Are you seperate from God? Just for you to say I am not God
is to show your ignorance. Pervert this means that you are God also, but
like Judi you do not understand. Judi deal was that she was God and we
were something below her. She got off, ego food, by saying how above
everyone she is. Now that is not what it is like. You are God, I am God,
I know it, you don't know it. It is this which the Hindus called
ignorance. And because you said, "Which you are not" it shows you do not
have an understanding of "Oneness".
I stomp you every time.
tiresias
WASHINGTON LINCOLN, ATTORNEY AT DE LAW
> *******SPV.....Pervert you are so stupid.
Washington Lincoln, Attorney At De Law replied:
Good mawnin, Massa' Stephen. And I'se jes wants ta thank Mr. Allison for
letting me use his computer to communicate with Mr. Stephen.
Massa' Stephen, as you may or may not know, I am Massa' Allison's
attorney.
And by now you "should", if you are any kind of "aware", know of what is
going on in Massa' Allison's life that involves YOU!
If you are not, it matters not, for what is going on, is happening "TO"
you, quite apart from any effort or participation on your part. And from
the looks of the situation, you are just about to realize your fondest
wish, and your worst nightmare.
I can now tell you about the movie that is going to be shot here in
Onalaska, is all about, AND how that relates to YOUR situation.
As you may or may not know, Mr. Allison is considered to be the "Premier
Vusician", in the world at the present time. Known variously as: "The
Avatar of Lumia"; "The Maestro'deVirtuoso of Vusic"; And the "Last Word
in matters of Cosmic Enlightment"; to mention just a few of his titles.
And due to his particular situation he is being hailed as The Master of
The Light, which is, of course involved in the "Cosmic Enlightment".
So a film is being made, with an eye to entering it in the Academy
Awards, and it is about the life and times of Massa'
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~.
They are going to chronicle his life from his earliest of beginnings,
his learning to deal with his mystical "Profound Synaesthesia", through
his child prodigy years as a concert violinist, through his career as a
musician (Guitar and Piano) in the "Golden Age" of Rock'n'Roll, to his
conversion from Music to Vusic in the late 60's, and the invention of
the Crystalume, the Marimbalume, and other Vusic Instruments that have
been developed by Massa' Allison, his TV shows and perfomances through
the 70's and 80's, his work as a TV Producer, Commercial Artist,
Advertising and Model Agency owner, Architectural Model Building,
Construction Field Engineer, Draftsman, and Commercial Designer.
Also considered will be the body of written work that he has produced.
Nine Sci-Fi novels, poems and songs, Journals, and even his archive of
newsgroup posts have been edited into conversations with the various
characters that have appeard in email and newsgroups. Also covered will
be the hundreds of cassettes that have been produced in his Light and
Sound Recording Studio, on the MIDI setup that Mr. Allison has had since
the mid-eighties. The film will end with Mr. Allison working in the
present day, which finds him producing DTV for DVD in his studio in
Onalaska with some of the most hellacious computer equipment on the face
of the planet.
Also to be shoecased, is his association with the "Men In Black" (MIB).
I tell you all this in order to ready you for the "rest of your life",
the fulfillment of your fondest nightmare!
And now I want to address the rest of your post.
Massa' Stephen wrote:
> What in existence that is alive is not God.
WL:
Objection, question is based on an assumption that has not yet been
placed in evidence. Besides, this is neither the time nor place to start
this Massa'
Stephen. By De Law, you have made your first mistake by doing THIS Mr.
Stephen.
Now you may plead ignorance of De Law, but that is no excuse... You say
that you can't be beat in an Argument... Well, the ultimate rules of
argument IS "De Law". And so at this point, Mr. Stephen, we have to
start at Square ONE! We are NOT starting at Square TWO, Mr. Stephen! The
game doesn't begin at Square TWO! And the game has only begun... And so
now, YOU are going to have to go back and start over! Back to Square
ONE.
Massa' Stephen wrote:
> Are you seperate(sic: separate) from God?
WL:
Objection, question is based on assumptions that have yet to be placed
in evidence. By De Law, you have made your second mistake by doing THIS
Mr. Stephen.
Massa' Stephen:
> Just for you to say I am not God is to show your ignorance.
WL:
Objection, question is based on assumptions that have yet to be placed
in evidence. By De Law, you have made your third mistake by doing THIS
Mr. Stephen.
Massa' Stephen wrote:
> Pervert this means that you are God also, but like Judi you do not understand.
> Judi('s) deal was that she was God and we were something below her.
> She got off, ego food, by saying how above
> everyone she is. Now that is not what it is like.
WL:
Don't you see Mr. Stephen, Judi does TO you, what you are doing TO
others. Judy is condescendingly looking down on you and that just "chaps
your butt!". She makes you feel like you make some of those who read
your rather poorly done writing feel.
You know it doesn't have to be that way? If you REALLY have a message,
it could be presented in a way that would make others be drawn to it
instead of repulsed by it. That is something that you will have to
address sooner or later, but first, you have to get out of the starting
gate when you start at Square ONE. I may have to get out the crayons and
draw you a picture, but maybe not... You may have to pull one of your
bratchild tantrums over this, still until you get out of the Starting
Gate at Square ONE, you are just beating your head against the walls of
your psychological/spiritual "padded cell".
So, Mr. Stephen... just settle down, go with the flow, and you will be
swept along on a wave in the history of the world, destined by the will
of Mr. Allison, to being one of the characters that the world's entire
interested population will get to see and make up their mind what to do
with you!
And let me say that this is probably one of the most diabolical things
ever done. Mr. Allison has, over the past four years, been gathering the
writings of various characters on the newsgroups and putting together a
conversation which when read, leaves an impression that you, Mr.
Stephen, are an incredibly intelligent, realized being, enlightend to a
remarkable degree, living the HOLY life as the Saviour of Humanity, in
the tradition of Our Lrod and Saviour, Jesus Christ. It's exactly the
same image that you have of yourself! He has painted you in the most
optimal way... Now you see the trap here? :)
After reading what Mr. Allison says Mr. Stephen is, the public will
DEMAND to SEE this remarkable man.
And then who should step out into the glare of the Spotlight of Public
Opinion? Why, it is none other than this little bald headed gnome of a
person with the little girly-boy twinkle in his eye, mincing along
trying to look graceful. Mr. Stephen steps up and everyone gets to see
him for what he really is... The disappointment will be overwhelming.
Massa' Stephen wrote:
> You are God, I am God, I know it, you don't know it.
WL:
Objection. Statement based on an assumption that has yet to be placed in
evidence.
Mr. Stephen:
> It is this which the Hindus called ignorance.
WL:
De Llaw doesn't give a shit what that bunch of retarded ragheads call
it? Your appeal to them for authority begs the question, when what needs
to be place in evidence is that YOU are the ultimate authority. We only
want to know what you think... not what someone you READ thinks. In De
Law, what you say that they say is hear-say and as such is not
admissable. Now if you could get one of those retarded raghead to come
to Square ONE and put himself in the Court of the SpotLight of Public
Opinion, that would be differenct.
Massa' Stephen wrote:
> And because you said, "Which you are not" it shows you do not
> have an understanding of "Oneness".
WL:
We'll, Massa' Stephen, we'll get to that once we get you out of the
"Starting Gate" of Square ONE.
Mr. Stephen:
> I stomp you every time.
WL:
You must be confusing me with someone else.
None The Less, Massa' Stephen... You might like to get comfortable, for
the ride of your life has already begun. The "See Massa' Stephen
Express" has just pulled out of the station an is hurtling down the
track at an alarming rate. What lies ahead?
Stay tuned for next episode of: "The Enlightenment of Massa' Stephen".
tiresias
Petty, sadistic prick...OK fair comment on my posting to you. I am not
innocent and I am not trying to convince myself of anything like how good I
am. I am writing for my own entertainment and on this medium there is no
real hurting that can occur. You appear to consider a blow to your opinion
of yourself as awful. I can think of worse things and I do like your
responses and as long as I can extract some juice out of this pastime I will
continue so to do. What you point out is nice, please try and be more
incisive or cutting in your delivery if at all possible. I suppose as I am
not claiming to be a teacher or master that I feel no loss in being
criticised or proven wrong, none that I can think of, so feel free to
"mirror back" as you call your reactions because I do value or enjoy hearing
another's observations. I consider good communication to be a critical
affair rather than anaesthetising.
I sometimes like to hurt people's feelings by asking them to describe what
they mean but its only feelings and if I can't say what I think or hear what
people think of me then the communication bores me. Remember as well that I
am in an unusual state of perception wherein everyone including you are
sadly non-existent and part of the dreamscape. I try to be as polite as I
would be if I perceived that there was anyone with perception but for many
years now I have not had that experience. So alright petty, sadistic prick
is valid either way.
I call your perception of having a "Buddhafield" that affects directly the
affairs of the USA and the World as imaginary because as a man with a
perception that is clearly a delusion to others I can see that you too have
a perception that is seen as a delusion by other people. I do not invoke
too much hostile reaction by applying a little social skill and hold the
position that my perception although real for me is a delusion to other
people and I accept that they can have a view that is different. Your
perception of having a Buddhafield is real for you but not for anyone else,
however you invoke hostile reaction by being over-insistent that it is the
truth for everyone and that they will and must one day see that your
perception is The truth. That RSVP is stupid and asking for it. If you want
to be martyred that is your destiny and the Mental Health System will have
you on treatment all too easily if you start causing problems to either
yourself or others whilst proclaiming your perception as truth. If I
thought you were real I would suggest that you acted with more care,
discretion and be the sly man not the fool about to fall over the cliff in
front of him because his eyes are on his precious imaginary buddy field.
The four magical maxims, the last one is to keep silent.
Anyway I am sure you will continue regardless.
"Stephen" <"svanier(nospam)"@uswest.net> wrote in message
news:3A2C054A...@uswest.net...
Stephen
> *********SPV....I got this check from this David guy who was really retarded and
> rich. About like Madonna. He gave me a check for $5,000,000 and another check
> for $50,000. I never did much with them. They are on my desk and I haven't
> thought to make sure they are good. What did the Pervert buy with those funds.
> Did the pervert buy little boys with his money? Do you partake in that tight
> sodomy? What a wastage of life the pervert is. Always dreaming of the little
> boys and their rear ends. He is so sick it makes me sick because that is really
> sick to think about. Am I perverted because I do not like that type of behavior?
> Anyway you are the Pervert's lawyer? How many times has he been caught with the
> little boys. And you know Judi? She was putting her daughter out for the guys as
> bait for her to get laid. It must be tough being old and ugly and a wastage like
> the Pervert and Judi. They should have gotten married because who else would have
> them. I hear the Perverts cats even scratch him, or so Judi was laughing one
> day./
Stephen
You hate for that reason? You already hate. That is no reason so hate. The
hate is already there. And as to what I know about God? Surely alot more than
you. That would not take much, because who are you to talk so confidently?
Like you matter? You are doing pretty much what you hate aren't you? How can
you be so stupid as to attack me for my knowledge of God, while your knowledge
is what? God is your best friend. And this Sinjoy will not even answer because
what a thing to do. I mean we are looking at the IQ of 75 here in this example.
~~SinJoy~~ wrote:
> I really really hate those that talk about God so confidently. What the fuck
> do you know about God?
>
> >
> > *******SPV.....Pervert you are so stupid. What in existence that is alive
> > is not God.
>
> You obviously have not heard of science. Nor the other part of the fuckin
> world that believes in Buddah or Taoism etc. Get OUT OF THE HOLE and see
> that God is not an universal belief! I repeat, get out of the small picture
> and have a look in a wider perspective!
********************
*****************SPV....I am saying, "What in existence that is alive is not
God." And you are saying I am in a hole. Telling me to get out of the small
picture? I mean isn't this stupid??? I'm looking at all life and he is telling
me to look with a wider perspective???
>
>
> >Are you seperate from God?
>
> YOu know fuckin jack shit about God.
********SPV....But I know much much more than you. What are you the expert?
> For one thing, those that believe in
> God will not have the heart to call someone pervert nor stupid. YOu are not
> worth being a follower of God. God is about love, all you are about is
> talking crap.
***********SPV....Now you are setting down the guidelines that God would
follow? Are you his buddy? What an ego you have to second guess and tell this
group that you know what God is doing? And these people go on and on like this
and they think this is perfectly AOK>
>
>
> > Just for you to say I am not God
> > is to show your ignorance.
>
> You are not God.
>
> > Judi deal was that she was God and we
> > were something below her. She got off, ego food, by saying how above
> > everyone she is. Now that is not what it is like. You are God, I am God,
> > I know it, you don't know it.
>
> What the bloody hell are you talking about?!? Do you even have the slightest
> idea what God means?!? You are God and I am God?!? My God!, you are nuts!
>
> > It is this which the Hindus called
> > ignorance. And because you said, "Which you are not" it shows you do not
> > have an understanding of "Oneness".
>
> Look, I don't want to harm your feelings, but you are far away from knowing
> the existence of God. Try to get pass me first....it isn't hard....I only
> did one semester Philosophy of Religion.....
Stephen
a lesson in writing and arguing. Now you say for some silly reason that I do
not tell you about God. I wasn't asked was I???? I asked you to tell us why
you and God are such good buddies that you hate people because they act so close
to God. What this means is You Are Up First. Or is your logic failing you???
~~SinJoy~~ wrote:
> Stephen,
> I am so glad that you replied. I was afraid that you won't so I will miss
> all the fun....
>
> > ********spv......So you really hate those that talk about God so
> confidently.
> > You hate for that reason? You already hate. That is no reason so hate.
> The
> > hate is already there. And as to what I know about God? Surely alot more
> than
> > you.
>
> The first few sentences bascially contains no information at all. YOu still
> haven't displayed your knowledge of God....all you did so far is just your
> claim to know God. Come on...you can do better than that!
>
> > That would not take much, because who are you to talk so confidently?
> > Like you matter?
>
> Everyone is this earth is stupid. YOu are included. Even the highest of IQ
> person is stupid. YOu are too stupid too see that. YOu are too stupid to
> understand that stupid is a relative word. It has no meaning without an
> universal.
>
> >You are doing pretty much what you hate aren't you?
>
> yeah, you are right, I love doing what I hate.
>
> > How can
> > you be so stupid as to attack me for my knowledge of God, while your
> knowledge
> > is what?
>
> That is what I am doing, and I am enjoying it! :)
>
> >God is your best friend.
>
> See! You are talking illogical again. First you said that God is infinite.
> God is you and God is me. If God is me, God can't also be my best friend. If
> this is the case, you can say I am you and You is me. And if you say this,
> you are also trying to battle the long time question in philosophy of
> personal identity.
>
> >and this Sinjoy will not even answer because
> > what a thing to do. I mean we are looking at the IQ of 75 here in this
> example.
>
> IQ, so what is your IQ? YOu have got the IQ to actually not question the
> system of IQ! YOu have such low IQ to follow the stupid standards of society
> created by the few nerdy phycologists. I may not be smart, but at least I
> can question the system while you just follow. Now you tell me, who is
> smarter?
>
> > ********************
> > *****************SPV....I am saying, "What in existence that is alive is
> not
> > God."
>
> And I am saying what IS alive that is not God? YOu still haven't answered
> that....if you say I am God, and you are God, hence, God is my best friend
> is obviously wrong since I am not your best friend. And you want to bring
> logic into this. Please, you are giving logic a bad name.
>
> > And you are saying I am in a hole. Telling me to get out of the small
> > picture? I mean isn't this stupid??? I'm looking at all life and he is
> telling
> > me to look with a wider perspective???
>
> serious, o.k., lets just stop joking around for one second....I am being
> serious now....have you really truely considered the other half of the
> world? China? India? Have you? The third world countries? That is what I
> mean by you getting out more and looking at a bigger picture.
>
> >
> > ********SPV....But I know much much more than you. What are you the
> expert?
>
> I claim to have done one semester of philosophy of religion, and with that,
> I am sure I can win you in the argument. Since even we have 60% down the
> post, you still haven't gave me ANY knowledge related to God at all!!!!!
>
> > ***********SPV....Now you are setting down the guidelines that God would
> > follow? Are you his buddy?
>
> You may have forgotten, you just said that God was my best friend :P If you
> dond't believe me, I will cut it and paste it here.
>
> >God is your best friend.
>
> Stephen, I feel a strange sensation in my bones now....I never in my life
> seen such a contradictory post.
>
> >What an ego you have to second guess and tell this
> > group that you know what God is doing? And these people go on and on like
> this
> > and they think this is perfectly AOK>
>
> I guess all you want is to bring God in and try to help others. But the
> problem arise when you are not suitable for this job.
>
> Look, before we go on, can you tell me what line of system do you use.
> Rationality? Logic? Or nonsense? Since we can't argue if I am talking logic
> and you are talking nonsense....
Stephen
happy to comply but will you also comply too. Will you answer your own
questions. Especially because it will be most entertaining because I have seen
the burning bush, while you, young man are braking all the rules by judging
people places and things call some of these things, Evil So when you tell us
about God. Tell us about Evil also. And don't be so worried about my IQ I will
make you shortly look as stupid as stupid can look. Now I can say anything I
like. How will you know if I am talking about God or not? How will I know and
how will you know? Are you saying that you have talked to God. I have merged
with God and that means that I let God into my own heart and let that merging
change me as unto God's will.
Now you tell us all, Mr. Smartypants exactly how did you become fast friends
with God?
This guy painted himself into a corner. Why do these silly people always talk
so smart when they have not a clue to what they are even headed? How stupid is
this guy? I can't wait for his answer.
~~SinJoy~~ wrote:
> O.K, Stephen, I kindly ask you, I beg you, can you please tell us something,
> anything at all about God. A fact, a belief, anything that you know can
> SUPPORT your theory of existence of God. While you are at it, can you please
> define what you mean by God (if you don't know, different people actually
> have different meanings of God) and also if it is not too much trouble,
> answer the question, " If God exists, why is there still evil in this
> world". This question is the most simpliest one, but I will start there
> since I don't know where your standards are....I will ask you more harder
> questions if I feel your IQ is high enough....
>
> Stephen <"svanier(nospam)"@uswest.net> wrote in message
> news:3A2E9648...@uswest.net...
Stephen
but what if I said that God a black woman was not very happy with people because
they do not like her image. Now what if this guy does not agree with me? How
will he support his ideas? What will he say? Usually the quote the bible and
that is a dead end.
You guys like the job I am doing? You see the path......It goes on and on and
on. And I am solidly on this path that I can see no ending too. I am like
Saint Peter at the Gateway. You will not get by me unless your understand of
God and Heaven is complete and correct. They got a neon sign at the Gate where
Sanit Peter hangs out. It says, "Check the bullshit at the door."
So how you think I am doing, youse guys? Is Heaven something you might be
interested in?
~~SinJoy~~
do you know about God?
>
> *******SPV.....Pervert you are so stupid. What in existence that is alive
> is not God.
You obviously have not heard of science. Nor the other part of the fuckin
world that believes in Buddah or Taoism etc. Get OUT OF THE HOLE and see
that God is not an universal belief! I repeat, get out of the small picture
and have a look in a wider perspective!
>Are you seperate from God?
YOu know fuckin jack shit about God. For one thing, those that believe in
God will not have the heart to call someone pervert nor stupid. YOu are not
worth being a follower of God. God is about love, all you are about is
talking crap.
> Just for you to say I am not God
> is to show your ignorance.
You are not God.
> Judi deal was that she was God and we
> were something below her. She got off, ego food, by saying how above
> everyone she is. Now that is not what it is like. You are God, I am God,
> I know it, you don't know it.
What the bloody hell are you talking about?!? Do you even have the slightest
idea what God means?!? You are God and I am God?!? My God!, you are nuts!
> It is this which the Hindus called
> ignorance. And because you said, "Which you are not" it shows you do not
> have an understanding of "Oneness".
Look, I don't want to harm your feelings, but you are far away from knowing
the existence of God. Try to get pass me first....it isn't hard....I only
did one semester Philosophy of Religion.....
~~SinJoy~~
I am so glad that you replied. I was afraid that you won't so I will miss
all the fun....
> ********spv......So you really hate those that talk about God so
confidently.
> ********************
> *****************SPV....I am saying, "What in existence that is alive is
not
> God."
DSWGOS
are You So Desperate to Be Heard...?"
~~SinJoy~~
anything at all about God. A fact, a belief, anything that you know can
SUPPORT your theory of existence of God. While you are at it, can you please
define what you mean by God (if you don't know, different people actually
have different meanings of God) and also if it is not too much trouble,
answer the question, " If God exists, why is there still evil in this
world". This question is the most simpliest one, but I will start there
since I don't know where your standards are....I will ask you more harder
questions if I feel your IQ is high enough....
Stephen <"svanier(nospam)"@uswest.net> wrote in message
news:3A2E9648...@uswest.net...
> **********SPV....SinJoy I am glad because if you stick around you will get
just
> a lesson in writing and arguing. Now you say for some silly reason that I
do
> not tell you about God. I wasn't asked was I???? I asked you to tell us
why
> you and God are such good buddies that you hate people because they act so
close
> to God. What this means is You Are Up First. Or is your logic failing
you???
>
> ~~SinJoy~~ wrote:
>
tiresias
It gives me pleasure that you carry on posting your thoughts, so amusing.
You ask:
"You guys like the job I am doing?"
I answer that it's not a job, its your unpaid pastime, your folly, inflating
your view of yourself as best as you can.
You brag imaginatively:
"I am like
> Saint Peter at the Gateway. You will not get by me unless your understand
of
> God and Heaven is complete and correct. They got a neon sign at the Gate
where
> Sanit Peter hangs out. It says, "Check the bullshit at the door.""
You know what this reminds me of dear RSVP? Do you remember the film "Monty
Python And The Holy Grail" ? There is a scene where John Cleese plays a
mystery Black Knight who forbids entrance across the bridge and he tells the
King Arthur that none shall pass through without defeating him in battle.
Well, if you remember the film, KA chops off his limbs one by one and still
the plucky but stupid Black Knight, now a mouthy torso on the ground, is
shouting that "None May Pass" so KA just looks down piteously on the fallen
John Cleese Black Knight and rides around him and over the bridge.
Saint Peter, that's a good one, love it. Insane Stephen is the grey reality.
You ask :
" So how you think I am doing, youse guys? Is Heaven something you might be
interested in?"
Pathetic but unintentionally amusing. Not unless you are there as one of the
court jesters..
"Stephen" <"svanier(nospam)"@uswest.net> wrote in message
news:3A2EC379...@uswest.net...
Stephen
will too? Will you answer? And when you do, what will you write about? Will
you make it up? Answer out of your conception of what you think and believe God
should be, or will you share some God sharing experience of the burning bush?
Will you answer also? Can you answer?
~~SinJoy~~ wrote:
> Come on Stephen, this is an old trick. If I tell you what I think, what good
> then is to ask you?!?
>
> >Stephen <"svanier(nospam)"@uswest.net> wrote in message
> news:3A2EB1DF...@uswest.net...
> > ***SPV....Are you asking me something that you will not do?
>
> I will do it.....but it will prove that you won't do it. And why won't you
> do it? It maybe due to you couldn't be bothered. Or you plainly don't know
> the answer.
>
> > I will be more than
> > happy to comply but will you also comply too.
>
> After you.....
>
> >Will you answer your own
> > questions.
>
> I will.....
>
> > Especially because it will be most entertaining because I have seen
> > the burning bush, while you, young man are braking all the rules by
> judging
> > people places and things call some of these things, Evil So when you tell
> us
> > about God. Tell us about Evil also.
>
> Can you please don't be like a mirror, reflecting everything I say. It's not
> hard to answer the bloody question! If you are part of God or best buddies,
> you can do this in one second flat.
>
> > And don't be so worried about my IQ I will
> > make you shortly look as stupid as stupid can look.
>
> We will see about that. But so far, it seems that our arguments are very
> unproductive. You are unwilling to give me any info. at all. Why is that?
>
> >Now I can say anything I
> > like. How will you know if I am talking about God or not?
>
> As I said, it depends on which belief system you use. Rationality, logic
> etc...If you use rationality, I will argue with you in that regards. So
> please stop wasting time!
>
> > Now you tell us all, Mr. Smartypants exactly how did you become fast
> friends
> > with God?
>
> Just the same way you did.,....
>
> >
> > This guy painted himself into a corner. Why do these silly people always
> talk
> > so smart when they have not a clue to what they are even headed? How
> stupid is
> > this guy? I can't wait for his answer.
>
> Come on Stephen, I am loosing interest fast talking with you. I am starting
> to get the feeling that you are here to talk crap and nothing else. YOu
> basically know nothing and are here just to waste time. How old are you
> anyhow? You don't sound very wise.....
>
> As far as I know, anyone here can beat you easily in an argument.....most of
> their English skills can beat you hands down. It is actually a wonder to me
> why they ain't doing it.....anyone answer this for me? Allison? Tiresias?
> Badfingers? Why are you guys being so nice and let him get away with
> this.......I am supposed to be the meek person here....
Stephen
you going to know anything from my posts? Look what you say? You don't know me
but you are telling me my whole day and life purpose. This can only be you
talking about yourself. Don't you get it? So you say,"You brag imaginatively"
Is this what you are doing? Because for all you know and with no evidence or
any proof I could be like Saint Peter at the Gates, so you are bragging
imaginatively. I think this is too much for you. It has to do with using all
your brain.
Now this is important. Tired Tread is locked down. Is not functioning because
he has limited himself. He does not have any room that I may be telling the
truth. You see this. Whatever I say is just wrong and I am a phony. So he
does not consider the things I say, the examples I use because he is blocked
down and armored. You see if I am real, then he could be hurt because this
would be something in his life totally better than him. So in his world this
job, that of Christ is not obtainable. When I come along that is too much. It
is not computing in his little world. So you see how he can't even consider the
things I am saying. This is shutting him down and he literally can't see the
forest for the trees. And I have so many miracles down in the record books
now. And isn't it strange? For the first time in our lifetimes someone has
done the prescribed three miracles and the church is acting like they are not
done. And then more and more miracles and the church is like all over the world
in all types of stuff but when it comes to Stephen? Stephen who?
So I say in my last book, "{The Man in Black} The Man of Soft Steel. So these
magnetic fields are bodies and they look like steel. It is like having a body
of soft steel, and it flows, as the human body flows on the lower level it just
translates into the magnetic field. So understand this. To change my magnetic
field, to change my body of soft steel I changed the physical body and that
changes the magnetic field.
Now the physical world has nothing that can affect the world of magnetic
fields. It is two different dimensions. But the physical body can change the
higher body by different postures. By poising. Jennifer. When you see what
you gained from poising all those hours. You couldn't have engaged in any more
meaningful practice. When you take a stance like that you are frozen in a form,
a posture and you make something and when you move you make something else. Now
those two different bodies which practice you can make almost immediately.
These higher bodies are emmensely powerful and magical to the mundane world.
I'd show you more but you guys are so thick. Like a bunch of football players
with just one too many concusions.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> Come on Stephen, I am loosing interest fast talking with you.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
HAY Alan. How are you this wonderous morning? I have been watching your
repartee with Stephen and see that his obfuscation has begun to affect
your attitude toward dealing with him. It happens to everyone.
~~SJ~~:
> I am starting to get the feeling that you are here to talk crap and nothing
> else.
~~~AW~~~:
Actually, Alan... there are a number of reasons for being here like
this, and there is more than one reason for Stephen being here. More on
that later. But yes, Stephen does talk a lot of crap, and there is
absolutely nothing that he says with which he has had actual experience.
Stephen is one of those characters that happens to have the mental
disorder that supports the delusion that not only makes him the center
of all that is happening, but the cause of all that is happenng. It is
kind of sad, but comes from having a strong ego and a weak super-ego.
But while it is sad, it can also be engagingly amusing to deal with. The
reason for this is that this kind of entity deserves all the hell and
shit that one can give it. Kind of a spiritual punching bag. And as we
all know, a good scape goat is more satisfying than a real solution. :)
~~SJ~~:
> YOu basically know nothing and are here just to waste time. How old are you
> anyhow? You don't sound very wise.....
~~~AW~~~:
It IS true that Stephen knows basically nothing, but he does know how to
turn on his little girly-boy, "brat-man" act, replete with all his
egregious egotism, and the general result is that those on whom he
expends the energy are apalled at it for it is the behavior of mentally
ill, direlect... a time-bomb, just waiting to go off (If you don't
believe this, ask Judi Rhodes). Why even Stephen himself says what makes
him dangerous is that he is un-controllable. BTW, he also said that I
(~~~AW~~~) was a "dangerous man"! :)
~~SJ~~:
> As far as I know, anyone here can beat you easily in an argument.....most of
> their English skills can beat you hands down.
~~~AW~~~:
Well, that has little to do with beating Stephen in an argument... You
see he doesn't read anything that either he or they writes. He is doing
a channeling of the voices in his head... Stephen is non-compis-mentis.
He isn't responsible for anything he does. Stephen is a loose cannon on
the deck of life.
~~SJ~~:
> It is actually a wonder to me why they ain't doing it.....anyone answer this
> for me? Allison? Tiresias? Badfingers? Why are you guys being so nice and let
> him get away with this.......
~~~AW~~~:
Well in actuality Alan, It is an ongoing campaign. It isn't as if one
flames Stephen, and that does it! You see an argument with Stephen by
any of us gets exactly the same kind of response that you are getting.
Stephen is incoherent most of the time. He's the kind of guy who can't
remember from one second to the next who he is, where he is, what time
it is and what he's doing. He is so wrapped up in dreaming that because
there is some signal being processed in his consciousness that he MUST
be God, that it really doesn't matter to him what else is going on, he
thinks that the Universe of which he is the center must be enforced on
everyone. The problem being: Stephen's Universe isn't as nice as mine,
or Mr. T's Universe and Stephen knows that. But he can't make the shift
to the better Universe because of his insecurities, and his egotism.
And so what I have been planning and ploting, is to actually turn
Stephen into a Messiah. He wants it... And afterall, this IS
<alt.solipsism>, "Solipsism Central, where the dream team holds forth as
the wittiest newsgroup on the whole world wide web", where dreams come
true, even if only in your imagination. And all you have to do Alan, is
go back and read Washington Lincoln's post and ~~~AW~~~'s post about how
this is going on and you will see that there is one of best gambits in
this kind of game ever to be put forth.
Think about it Alan... what happens to Holy Men? The affix them to a
cross! :) Or the presently politically correct equivalent of affixing
them to a cross.
Don't you think that affixing Stephen to a cross, and letting him
scream... Eyemay (PigLatin (P/L) for: My) Odgay (P/L: God), Eyemay
Odgay, Eyewhay (P/L: why) avehay (P/L: have) oohyea (P/L: you)
orfayakensay (P/L: forsaken), eeemay (P/L: me)?
Then we get someone to poke him in the side with a spear! (Heh heh heh
heh)
That ought to make him wince a bit... worse than falling off his
tricycle.
What great fun it will be between now and then to build Stephen up into
this paragon of religious fervor, and then, after presenting him to the
great unwashed masses as "Jesus returned", "The Messiah", "The most
highly evolved being on the face of ANY planet in the Universe",
actually expose Stephen to them and what do they get to see? This
little, burnt-out, baldheaded gnome of a homeless direlect with an
obvious schizophrenic disorder, swinging between the bi-poles of
depression and mania, mincing around in his little girly-boy,
twinkle-eyed, tutu wearing, brat-man costume, and they think to
themselves: "This is what meditation and enlightenment does for you?
This is what religious fanaticism does for you? This is how you turn out
if you do what he says to do? NOOOO THAAAAAKS!!!
The disappointment will be devastating... The set back to religion and
all of that superstitious bullshit will be astounding. And then the
backlash... Someone in the crowd yells: "Let's get that little
son-of-a-bitch!", and they grab Stephen and strip him of his cute little
pink tutu, and hang his ass on a cross naked and watch him scream and
die while having an orgasm... He said it happens, you know! Tiresias has
volunteered to video the event.
Now all we have to do is find some official who will "wash his hands of
the matter", and then turn Stephen over to the Israelies. They happen to
know how to handle this kind of situation, I understand that they have
had some experience in matters of this sort! :)
~~SJ~~:
> I am supposed to be the meek person here....
~~~AW~~~:
Well Alan, you seem to have become "The Mouse that Roared". I thought
that you were handling Stephen pretty good up until he put his
"Professor Irwin Cory" shot on you! I've got you in the third round, you
are ahead 10-8, 10-8, 9-10. If you will just regroup and see that the
object is to push his buttons... He hates having you say anything about
his kid. That's a really touch area with him. I've been working with him
to get him over that, but so far it still singes his ass-hairs when he
someone shows him his son for the little retarded creep he must be for
having Stephen for a sperm-doner.
Well, I have to go feed the cats. Hope you are well. Give Stephen Hell
and remember endurance is the key. "Never give up, never, never, never!"
(WinstonChurchill).
Stephen
rub this into your nose if you do not answer now that you talk so big. These
shall be posts I look forward to.
~~SinJoy~~ wrote:
> Yes I will. I promise. I don't usually ask philosophical questions without
> knowing them myself.
>
> > *********SPV...No I promise to answer the question. I just want to know
> if you
> > will too? Will you answer?
>
> Yes......I will give you my answer once I receive yours. Come on, you once
> said that you challenge anyone in an argument and am willing to pay 250
> dollars for anyone who wins....I am waiting for that money!!!!
>
> > And when you do, what will you write about?
>
> My beliefs and reasons/evidence why I belief so. The thing is, if I tell you
> what I think, it will give the whole thing away.
>
> >Will
> > you make it up?
>
> Lets put it this way.....I will not be like you and say I don't believe in
> God because I don't believe in black women....
>
> >Answer out of your conception of what you think and believe God
> > should be, or will you share some God sharing experience of the burning
> bush?
> > Will you answer also? Can you answer?
>
> I will, o.k.? YOu are lucky I am on a holiday, or else I will not waste time
> making this unproductive conversation.....
>
> But seriously Stephen, you don't know what the hell you got yourself into. I
> spend most time thinking about this subject....talking about God with me is
> like talking maths with Descartes. I learnt all arguments about it and all
> the counterarguments that goes against it. I will actually be surpirsed that
> the arguments you give will be new to me. Maybe if you want to change your
> mind now.....and argue about what I had for breakfast this morning
> instead......
>
> YOu have to do better than claiming the existence of God purely because you
> experience or feel God within you....since it is impossible to distinguish a
> madman who experience God due to hormonal imblanace and you.
Stephen
*********SPV.....Notice how you buddy is missing in action when the shit hits the
fan?
You know with me, I never let you fight alone. It's first come first served with
me. I walk and walk and here is another fellow all talk and no walk like the
Pervert and his butterball boyfriend.
Stephen
he stops to say, "You use the word Enlightenment which I think is of the
Buddhism religion and I don't think you are a buddhist so you can't use that
word."
Mind boggling. Who are you to judge words, religion and me? What are you
talking about. Why would Enlightenment have to do with Buddhism? Hindus have
been talking about Enlightenment for 10,000 years. It is the Hindus not the
Buddhist. So you, knowing nothing about religion are going to Ok a dictionary
for me? Where is your head at. And what this is, is a bone, he is giving
himself the upper hand with this small bit of knowledge that he doesn't have
right.
Wait Wait Wait. I gave you mine, now don't pour over every word before you give
you witnessing of God.
>
>
> First thing first, I notice you always use the word Enlightened. I don't
> know if it is your English or your ways of thinking, but normally this word
> is used in Buddahism. Since I think you are not a follower of that religion,
> I don't think the word is appropriate.
>
> Besides, if you are to claim I am somehting and you are the other, you can't
> just claim it. You have to say why. Why am I not enlightened and why can't I
> know what God looks like? Why is my version of God any worser than yours?
> Why is your definition of God any better to mine? See my point. And you will
> mostly say that you are friends with God etc....but this is a circular
> argument. YOu must first accept the premises before you can accept the
> conclusion.
>
> >
> > God is all that is live in the Universe.
>
> So is God atoms? Is your definition of God being all good, all powerful?
> Being all that is does not entitled it to be all good you know.
>
> >God is the force of life that is a
> > vibe in existence.
>
> Is there any prove of this? Can you feel the forces of God in all things?
> Can you trust this sensation? The problem with you is that you believe in
> anything! Even , and I mean EVEN IF you do feel the presence of God like you
> feel being touched or as real as painand even talked to God and even had
> lunch with God, you still need to ask yourself if you are not hallucinating.
> Of course you would say you are not.....but you can NEVER prove it. This my
> friend is the root of life. And this is the fundamental of all problems, not
> your God. This is the human condition.
>
> >God is the vibe of Oum in existence and changes from
> > dimension to dimenson existing as the vibe of life of all things.
>
> So I guess you also believe in Vampires, Ghosts, UFOs....and even Taxes
>
> >For example I
> > am telling you that consciousness is the magnetic field of the Magnetic
> Field of
> > Planets and Suns and everything that exist.
>
> Consciousness is a megatic field? Where does consciousness arise from? When
> did it arise from the evolution? I am not claiming you are wrong, but I am
> claiming that you having researched the whole thing yet.
>
> >
> > Now lets hear you experience of God in your life?
> >
> > Can you afford to anwser and don't pair the details, be sure to tell us
> where I
> > am wrong, and how what I just said of God is untrue.
>
> O.K., I will tell you what I think. I am not saying you are wrong,
> surpirsed? no, not really. It is because my arguments needs your argument to
> work.
>
> YOu see, I am looking at this problem in another aspect. An aspect which
> most people forgets to look at. And it is the ABILITY to find the truth of
> God and anything in this matter.
>
> There was one time while driving to uni. the radio played an interested pop
> song. One of the line stated, " If God had a face, what would it look like,
> and you want to see and seeing meant that you have to believe..."
>
> From that I came up a wierd question, what happens if one day God did come
> up to me and talked to me and I even shaked hands with him. Would I BELIEVE
> in his existence. And guess what? The strange answer is still no.
>
> This brings out the fundamental problem in life. This problem is not only
> goes for God but for all beliefs in life. No matter how MUCH evidence you
> have in one matter, there is still enough scepticism to counter it. Even if
> there is NO evidence, there is still faith to support it (like what youa re
> doing now). Hence, it is not a matter of universal of truths, it is a matter
> of degree of beliefs. No one can claim they know the truth since they can't
> claim they know all. There maybe still a chance that there is an evidence
> they are missing out in the puzzle.
>
> Due to the fact that there are so MANY religions and so MANY definitions of
> God proves there is no definite answer. If any one attempts to say one is
> better is already fallen into the egoistic trap. Is a fabric smooth or have
> holes in it? it is smooth if you look at it in a distance and have hundreds
> of holes if you look at it in the microscope. Who is right? You can't say
> the one that looked in the microscope is right? Why? Because the smooth
> properties of the fabic is still remains a truth in that time.
>
> So the conclusion I made is more of a depressed one. It is Pointless to ask
> for God existence is due to the inability of mankind to understand the truth
> anyway. One will always believe what one wishes to beleive and nothing else.
> Even if one believe one have enough evidence, it is still a faithful belief.
> So Stephen, this is my findings. YOu will most likely to disagree, but at
> least, I take this chance to share it with others.
>
> On top of all this, there are still millions of questions that needs to be
> solved regarding to God. Is God all powerful? What proves this? Is God all
> good? Why is there still evil in this world? Some of the ideologies in
> religion is not good, reagrding to homosexuals, unequality of women and
> men.......
>
> By your way of saying that God exist, you are counterarguing all the other
> religions that have no God. And this is a big task. Even within the God
> religions, there are different versions. Muslium, Jews....Which version of
> it is right? You say yours is and they say they are right?
>
> My definition of God is this: if God is defined as a universal truth, an
> unknown with NO properties applied to it, I will believe. But if we say that
> God is all good etc.....I would have to argue for proves.
>
> And a great example for me would be the human design. If anyone in this NG
> says that the human is a perfect design, I will be so fuckin angry, you will
> not believe it. Becuase if anyone say human is a perfect design or even a
> good design, I would direct them to the mental hospital.
>
> But of course, it is inevitable to believe. One is born to believe. Even the
> simple act of saying I do not believe, one is already believing in that
> action. So in a way, one is forced to believe without a free will. So you
> will have to go on your way of beliving of God existence and your friendship
> buddy with him and I will have to go on believing mine......but this is NOT
> the problem, the problem is the inability of mankind to know any EXTERNAL
> truths.
>
> Assumptions is all we have. There you go, this is my answer.
Stephen
doing? Where is your description of God. And if I were you I wouldn't
celebrate until you finished your argument. So far I am missing it.
~~SinJoy~~ wrote:
> Feeling good after beating Stephen's ass, I am waiting for his 250 dollars.
> Yeah, it is kinda hard to stay angry with him since his posts seem so
> defenceless and he appears to be even nicer than me! He puts on that
> brown-eyed puppy look...I guess talking sense into him is basically
> pointless.....all he needs is a good old fashioned verbal abusing.....
>
> ~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ <all...@livingston.net> wrote in message
> news:3A2F9C...@livingston.net...
Stephen
********SPV....So he can't answer he says, "So the conclusion I made is more of
a depressed one. It is Pointless to ask
for God existence is due to the inability of mankind to understand the truth
anyway.
answer. He is saying he is stupid.
And then the bullshit. At least I did what I said I would do, but this yo-yo
cops out and gives some depressed excuses. And excuses are made for losers.
Which you did here. You lost.
Stephen
~~SinJoy~~ wrote:
> Feeling good after beating Stephen's ass,
*********SPV.....I skunked you bad. You admitted you did not have the capasity
to understand the truth of God. I on the other hand am Enlightened and have
transcended the mind.
I stomped you bad the second you flaked out and couldn't answer the question.
Stephen
depressed because you did not have the depth to understand the vastness of God.
What life could you have? What possible could be more important than to give
glory to God? What a moron you are. So what he says is, "My job is more
important than God."
I'll tell him you said that.
~~SinJoy~~ wrote:
> Stephen, I said I will answer you, but I didn't say I say I will do it
> within 24hrs! Jesus! I have got a life.....I can't stick in the NG the whole
> day you know! To make this easier to follow...I replied the answer in the
> other post you made.....
>
> Stephen <"svanier(nospam)"@uswest.net> wrote in message
> news:3A2F7DFA...@uswest.net...
> > > But seriously Stephen, you don't know what the hell you got yourself
Stephen
~~SinJoy~~ wrote:
> First thing first, I notice you always use the word Enlightened. I don't
> know if it is your English or your ways of thinking, but normally this word
> is used in Buddahism. Since I think you are not a follower of that religion,
> I don't think the word is appropriate.
*********SPV.....I answered this one in the other post...so lets look below.
>
>
> Besides, if you are to claim I am somehting and you are the other, you can't
> just claim it. You have to say why. Why am I not enlightened and why can't I
> know what God looks like? Why is my version of God any worser than yours?
> Why is your definition of God any better to mine? See my point. And you will
> mostly say that you are friends with God etc....but this is a circular
> argument. YOu must first accept the premises before you can accept the
> conclusion.
> **********SPV....When you are out of control you want rules to put you at
> ease. Something to make you feel more secure. I need no crutches.
> >
> > God is all that is live in the Universe.
*******SPV.....I meant life. But live is good, live works but God is all that
is life in the Universe.
>
>
> So is God atoms?
*****SPV....So I was clear. God is that which is life. Is you life measured in
atoms? Kinda stupid?
> Is your definition of God being all good, all powerful?
***********SPV....Did I say this? No I did not. God is both Good and Evil.
God is weak and powerful. God is all things living and alive.
>
> Being all that is does not entitled it to be all good you know.
********SPV....Look at how stupid this guy is. I never said that God was all
God. He put those words to me post and now he is arguing that God is not what
he added to my statement? How dumb is this?
>
>
> >God is the force of life that is a
> > vibe in existence.
>
> Is there any prove of this? Can you feel the forces of God in all things?
******SPV.....Yes, and Yes. Look you asked me what is God. I didn't say nor
did I promise to do anything but to say what God is. Now I have to meet these
limits.
Now when he tells us what life is it's a waste of space.
> So the conclusion I made is more of a depressed one. It is Pointless to ask
> for God existence is due to the inability of mankind to understand the truth
> anyway. One will always believe what one wishes to beleive and nothing else.
> Even if one believe one have enough evidence, it is still a faithful belief.
> So Stephen, this is my findings. YOu will most likely to disagree, but at
> least, I take this chance to share it with others.
>
~~SinJoy~~
Come on Stephen, this is an old trick. If I tell you what I think, what good
then is to ask you?!?
>Stephen <"svanier(nospam)"@uswest.net> wrote in message
news:3A2EB1DF...@uswest.net...
> ***SPV....Are you asking me something that you will not do?
I will do it.....but it will prove that you won't do it. And why won't you
do it? It maybe due to you couldn't be bothered. Or you plainly don't know
the answer.
> I will be more than
> happy to comply but will you also comply too.
After you.....
>Will you answer your own
> questions.
I will.....
> Especially because it will be most entertaining because I have seen
> the burning bush, while you, young man are braking all the rules by
judging
> people places and things call some of these things, Evil So when you tell
us
> about God. Tell us about Evil also.
Can you please don't be like a mirror, reflecting everything I say. It's not
hard to answer the bloody question! If you are part of God or best buddies,
you can do this in one second flat.
> And don't be so worried about my IQ I will
> make you shortly look as stupid as stupid can look.
We will see about that. But so far, it seems that our arguments are very
unproductive. You are unwilling to give me any info. at all. Why is that?
>Now I can say anything I
> like. How will you know if I am talking about God or not?
As I said, it depends on which belief system you use. Rationality, logic
etc...If you use rationality, I will argue with you in that regards. So
please stop wasting time!
> Now you tell us all, Mr. Smartypants exactly how did you become fast
friends
> with God?
Just the same way you did.,....
>
> This guy painted himself into a corner. Why do these silly people always
talk
> so smart when they have not a clue to what they are even headed? How
stupid is
> this guy? I can't wait for his answer.
Come on Stephen, I am loosing interest fast talking with you. I am starting
to get the feeling that you are here to talk crap and nothing else. YOu
basically know nothing and are here just to waste time. How old are you
anyhow? You don't sound very wise.....
As far as I know, anyone here can beat you easily in an argument.....most of
their English skills can beat you hands down. It is actually a wonder to me
why they ain't doing it.....anyone answer this for me? Allison? Tiresias?
Badfingers? Why are you guys being so nice and let him get away with
this.......I am supposed to be the meek person here....
~~SinJoy~~
> Where is this guy and his understand of God. Now what if I said, and I am
not,
> but what if I said that God a black woman was not very happy with people
because
> they do not like her image. Now what if this guy does not agree with me?
How
> will he support his ideas? What will he say? Usually the quote the bible
and
> that is a dead end.
No, I won't disagree, I will ask for your reasons or evidence to believe so.
I am sure that you won't and can't give me any. YOu will just keep on saying
what you want to say. It is kinda useless talking to you since you are just
talking nonsense. Now I know why the other people give up.
But Stephen, allow me to let you in on a little secret.....no matter what
beliefs or facts you give me, there will always be a counterargument for it.
So if you are smart, you should know what is happening....but I won't expect
this from you.....
What is happening is that the existence of God really is not the issue here.
What is the issue is something more deeper and harder to solve. Use your
little brain-like object and think for yourself......
>
> You guys like the job I am doing? You see the path......It goes on and on
and
> on. And I am solidly on this path that I can see no ending too. I am
like
> Saint Peter at the Gateway. You will not get by me unless your understand
of
> God and Heaven is complete and correct. They got a neon sign at the Gate
where
> Sanit Peter hangs out. It says, "Check the bullshit at the door."
It appears to be very strange that you are so keen to promote the existence
of God. Very weird indeed. Since people that are followers of God are
normally polite, nice, don't call others names and don't preach. YOu break
all the rules. YOu actually haven't even tell me what the hell is your
religion.......God......come on......there are plenty of different religions
that have a God!
And for your spare time, you can answer another question for me....if God
exists in your particular religion, how do you explain all the other ones
that contradicts it? I can go on asking you questions all day......but you
won't answer them....
> So how you think I am doing, youse guys? Is Heaven something you might be
> interested in?
I am very sure of one thing......even if there is a God and a Heaven, you
AIN'T going....if you are, then, God is VERY blind.
If you are going......I would think that God is not very wise at all.
So how many times you go to the church? Once a year?
~~SinJoy~~
Yes I will. I promise. I don't usually ask philosophical questions without
knowing them myself.
> *********SPV...No I promise to answer the question. I just want to know
if you
> will too? Will you answer?
Yes......I will give you my answer once I receive yours. Come on, you once
said that you challenge anyone in an argument and am willing to pay 250
dollars for anyone who wins....I am waiting for that money!!!!
> And when you do, what will you write about?
My beliefs and reasons/evidence why I belief so. The thing is, if I tell you
what I think, it will give the whole thing away.
>Will
> you make it up?
Lets put it this way.....I will not be like you and say I don't believe in
God because I don't believe in black women....
>Answer out of your conception of what you think and believe God
> should be, or will you share some God sharing experience of the burning
bush?
> Will you answer also? Can you answer?
I will, o.k.? YOu are lucky I am on a holiday, or else I will not waste time
making this unproductive conversation.....
But seriously Stephen, you don't know what the hell you got yourself into. I
Stephen
not bullshitting, I can give you the example. This is why you are wrong,
because with you, it just is an argument that goes on and on and never can you
afford to give the answer. I can afford to give the answer any time I want.
You can't. You can't answer the question. What does God look like. Because
how would you know? You are not Enlightened and you don't know.
God is all that is live in the Universe. God is the force of life that is a
vibe in existence. God is the vibe of Oum in existence and changes from
dimension to dimenson existing as the vibe of life of all things. For example I
am telling you that consciousness is the magnetic field of the Magnetic Field of
Planets and Suns and everything that exist. You merge with God you are relaxing
into existence and merging with the magnetic field of Earth and so on and so
forth.
Now lets hear you experience of God in your life?
Can you afford to anwser and don't pair the details, be sure to tell us where I
am wrong, and how what I just said of God is untrue.
~~SinJoy~~
Stephen, I said I will answer you, but I didn't say I say I will do it
within 24hrs! Jesus! I have got a life.....I can't stick in the NG the whole
day you know! To make this easier to follow...I replied the answer in the
other post you made.....
Stephen <"svanier(nospam)"@uswest.net> wrote in message
news:3A2F7DFA...@uswest.net...
> *****SPV....Ok I answered so where is yours? All talk? I am really going
to
> rub this into your nose if you do not answer now that you talk so big.
These
> shall be posts I look forward to.
>
> ~~SinJoy~~ wrote:
>
~~SinJoy~~
> ***************SPV.......No not at all. You are wrong. Anytime, because
I am
> not bullshitting, I can give you the example. This is why you are wrong,
> because with you, it just is an argument that goes on and on and never can
you
> afford to give the answer. I can afford to give the answer any time I
want.
> You can't. You can't answer the question. What does God look like.
Because
> how would you know? You are not Enlightened and you don't know.
First thing first, I notice you always use the word Enlightened. I don't
know if it is your English or your ways of thinking, but normally this word
is used in Buddahism. Since I think you are not a follower of that religion,
I don't think the word is appropriate.
Besides, if you are to claim I am somehting and you are the other, you can't
just claim it. You have to say why. Why am I not enlightened and why can't I
know what God looks like? Why is my version of God any worser than yours?
Why is your definition of God any better to mine? See my point. And you will
mostly say that you are friends with God etc....but this is a circular
argument. YOu must first accept the premises before you can accept the
conclusion.
>
> God is all that is live in the Universe.
So is God atoms? Is your definition of God being all good, all powerful?
Being all that is does not entitled it to be all good you know.
>God is the force of life that is a
> vibe in existence.
Is there any prove of this? Can you feel the forces of God in all things?
Can you trust this sensation? The problem with you is that you believe in
anything! Even , and I mean EVEN IF you do feel the presence of God like you
feel being touched or as real as painand even talked to God and even had
lunch with God, you still need to ask yourself if you are not hallucinating.
Of course you would say you are not.....but you can NEVER prove it. This my
friend is the root of life. And this is the fundamental of all problems, not
your God. This is the human condition.
>God is the vibe of Oum in existence and changes from
> dimension to dimenson existing as the vibe of life of all things.
So I guess you also believe in Vampires, Ghosts, UFOs....and even Taxes
>For example I
> am telling you that consciousness is the magnetic field of the Magnetic
Field of
> Planets and Suns and everything that exist.
Consciousness is a megatic field? Where does consciousness arise from? When
did it arise from the evolution? I am not claiming you are wrong, but I am
claiming that you having researched the whole thing yet.
>
> Now lets hear you experience of God in your life?
>
> Can you afford to anwser and don't pair the details, be sure to tell us
where I
> am wrong, and how what I just said of God is untrue.
O.K., I will tell you what I think. I am not saying you are wrong,
~~SinJoy~~
But of course, you can't see this....you are too stupid and arrogant...you
will just go on beliving in what you always want to believe. Believing that
you are Enlightened...that God exists...I feel sorry for you....I don't feel
sorry because you believe in God, but your inability to seek out questions
and problems. You are just like a zombie and believe whatever that comes in
your head. YOu never question anything. YOu just claim this and claim
that......
~~SinJoy~~ <sin...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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~~SinJoy~~
Feeling good after beating Stephen's ass, I am waiting for his 250 dollars.
Yeah, it is kinda hard to stay angry with him since his posts seem so
defenceless and he appears to be even nicer than me! He puts on that
brown-eyed puppy look...I guess talking sense into him is basically
pointless.....all he needs is a good old fashioned verbal abusing.....
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ <all...@livingston.net> wrote in message
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tiresias
blowing out of your ass again, I smell the scent of the divine? Fuck if the
divine smells like your shite I think I'll pass on it thanks massa.
RSVP's Miracles in the record books?.....Bollocks.
Keep it up, you may convert the heathens one day, that would be a miracle
for you to have even one follower.
Let us pray for RSVP, Oh Great Lrod/Lord assist Stephen who is you to teach
the sleeping children of the earth of the presence of the master on this
planet and could you get him a follower who is a generous dentist or The
Doctor because he wants a fight all the time because nobody will believe
him.
"Stephen" <"svanier(nospam)"@uswest.net> wrote in message
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~~SinJoy~~
illlusions and your poor mental state, but you starting to get on my
nerve....so I have to be rough on you.....I gave you a chance, but you blew
it....
>Stephen <"svanier(nospam)"@uswest.net> wrote in message
news:3A2FF225...@uswest.net...
> **********SPV....You have a life? After what you wrote, on how you are
> depressed because you did not have the depth to understand the vastness of
God.
> What life could you have?
A normal life. A life in what I think is depressed. It is apart of life. For
those that thinks life is JUST good are not looking at life hard
enough.....Vastness of God? You know, there is a VERY easy way to beat you
in this argument. Just act like you! I can just talk nonsense like you, say
that I am englightened, I am the best friend of God and you have NO way of
proving me wrong. I can go on saying I am right and you go on saying you are
right. But no.....I restrain myself, I will not put my level down so
much.....
>What possible could be more important than to give
> glory to God? What a moron you are. So what he says is, "My job is more
> important than God."
Give glory to God? If God wants glory, he is not a God. And all you think
God wants is glory, you are dumber than I thought.
>
> I'll tell him you said that.
Go ahead, tell God how you are not following his Bible. It would be even
easier for me to just ask a priest to come and sort you out...but no, I want
to have all the fun......
~~SinJoy~~
capasity
> to understand the truth of God. I on the other hand am Enlightened and
have
> transcended the mind.
ohh man, Stephen I truely feel sorry for you. You are so out of it, you
can't even understand my point. Why does it always have to put the meal
right in front of you....why can't you look around for once. Admitting to
not know is already an answer but you are too stupid to see it. Haven;'t you
heard to ask already answers, to open already closes. Nah, you are with God
ain';t you? You wouldn't know anything of other religions......
>
> I stomped you bad the second you flaked out and couldn't answer the
question.
I answered it. Your brain is so damanaged you just can't see it. Shall I
prescribed you some drugs. I done alittle on physiology. People will brain
damage can be assisted with alittle Prozac.....
~~SinJoy~~
> Mind boggling. Who are you to judge words, religion and me?
Stephen, sometimes you are so clouded in your mind, you can't see that
things can work both ways.
> What are you
> talking about. Why would Enlightenment have to do with Buddhism?
That is the history of the religion. If you have read any books, I doubt you
have, you should know. So sad, you don't even know what I am talking about.
Let me draw it out for ya.
In Buddahism, there is no believes of God. What they believe is that people
reincarnate again and again until they reach "Enlightenment". If they reach
this from cycles of reincarnations, they can be free of pain and suffering
of life. This word is speically used for this cycle. Of course, you can
reach Enlightenment, but you will have to be a fat Buddah....you maybe fat,
but no Buddah.
> Hindus have
> been talking about Enlightenment for 10,000 years. It is the Hindus not
the
> Buddhist.
WEll, as funny as this may sound, you STILL haven't told me which religion
you are in. You just talked about God. Which God? What God?
>So you, knowing nothing about religion are going to Ok a dictionary
> for me? Where is your head at.
So are you telling me you know more of Buddahism than me? Ohhhh, you are
getting worse everytime....I can beat you with my little finger in the
knowledge of Buddahism....
> And what this is, is a bone, he is giving
> himself the upper hand with this small bit of knowledge that he doesn't
have
> right.
<Once again attemping to sound like Stephen>
What gives me the right is myself. What gives you the right to say I have
not the right? I am God or close to him anyway. Hence, what I say is always
right and don't try to question me, I always have the right to say what I
feel like it.
~~SinJoy~~
more of
> a depressed one. It is Pointless to ask
> for God existence is due to the inability of mankind to understand the
truth
> anyway.
ability to
> answer. He is saying he is stupid.
Yes, in a way you are right. But I am saying we are ALL stupid. But of
course, you are too stupid to even comprehend this concept. There are three
types of people in this world.
Those that don't give a shit.
Those that knows their limitations and know they are stupid.
Those (like yourself) that are too stupid to know they are stupid.
(To bring it down to the language that Stephen can understand, it requires
intelligence to know one is limited. For one who is limited will not know
ones own limitations.) The sum have to be greater than the parts to know its
parts. This is the best I can do...if you still don't understand, I can't
help you)
>
> And then the bullshit. At least I did what I said I would do, but this
yo-yo
> cops out and gives some depressed excuses. And excuses are made for
losers.
> Which you did here. You lost.
It is not my fault that I gave you an answer too difficult for you to
understand. Actually, it is not difficult at all, you just plainly don't
understand it.
O.K. , just for the sake that I am feeling sorry for your mental state and
if you are truely mad, I will attempt to say it once again....
If you are to look at this issue (existence of God) head on, not in a
million years will you find the answer. The problem is not due to the
question but the ability of the thinker. The human condition I call it. The
condition where men can't choose not to believe but have no method of
proving their beliefs. Where one is always trap of being victims of
rationality even if one wishes not so. Even if one argues against
ralitionailty, one will (strangely) enough will be using reasons.
Why am I saying all this to you, you won't read it anyway....even if you
read it, it won't mean anything.....
~~SinJoy~~
> > So is God atoms?
>
> *****SPV....So I was clear. God is that which is life. Is you life
measured in
> atoms? Kinda stupid?
If God is that which is life. A=B. Atoms are all made up of life. B=C.
Hence, God = Atoms...A=C
> ***********SPV....Did I say this? No I did not. God is both Good and
Evil.
> God is weak and powerful. God is all things living and alive.
This is even worst than I thought! YOur definition of God is not even the
same as most religion thinks! My goodness!
Apart from God being everything, can you give me another property of God?
> ********SPV....Look at how stupid this guy is. I never said that God was
all
> God. He put those words to me post and now he is arguing that God is not
what
> he added to my statement? How dumb is this?
YOu never said that God was all God?!? Stephen, are trying your best to tell
a joke or make me laugh?
YOu first said that God was everything
>God is all things living and alive.
And now you say that God is not all God.......mmmmmmm.......this reallty
does make alot of sense.
I sincerely HOPE that you are only joking and this is really NOT the real
you. IF Stephen is this NG is the real you, I would be very very very VERY
sorry for you.
Even though I don't like you, I truely hope that you are joking. Because if
you are not, I think you better go and see a doctor, and HURRY!
tamm...@my-deja.com
> ***********SPV....Did I say this? No I did not. God is both Good
>and Evil.
> God is weak and powerful. God is all things living and alive.
This idea is one I've heard before but I never could genuinely grasp it.
God, evil? It seems like a contradiction in terms in a way; I can
conceive of God being weak (or obliged to follow His own laws); I can
conceive of God being destructive as well as creative (as in, willing
to destroy the dysfunctional); it also seems apparent there are things
people call "evil" that are "of God." For example some people think
chocolates are evil but God is broader and knows some people need them
and tells them to go buy their beloved chocolates right now.
Open to discussion, I just offhand never heard of a tree or a fish or
an elephant self-destructing or getting cancer. Trees and fish and
elephants are God's creations that spontaneously do as they are
created. Evil seems to be of mankind--an acquired capacity, not the
original nature--at least that's how it seems to me.
tammi
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Before you buy.
Stephen
Why? Because I am just doing what I want to do. So I must say that I have no
power over you. I can't make you feel sorry, so I would say that your feeling
sorry is for yourself, because after all you don't know me. You could only feel
sorry, just feeling sorry for yourself. Now as to Illusions? What illusions?
You have yet to say which of my stories you consider illusion? And poor mental
state? I never said or reported anything but the common cold. So what mental
state could you be talking about? You could only be thinking of your own mental
state and projecting it on me. So it would be more logical to understand that
when you say "Your poor mental state" you can only be talking about yourself
again. Then you report I am starting to get on your nerve. Only one nerve. So
bet it.(That would appear an insult).....So what do we have. We have this
Single Nerve that is in poor mental state, having illusions feeling sorry for
yourself. So I toast you "The Nerve", may your never ring true with wisdom for
as long as it last.
~~SinJoy~~ wrote:
> Stephen, I was feeling sorry for you becuase of all the stories about your
> illlusions and your poor mental state, but you starting to get on my
> nerve....so I have to be rough on you.....I gave you a chance, but you blew
> it....
>
> >Stephen <"svanier(nospam)"@uswest.net> wrote in message
> news:3A2FF225...@uswest.net...
> > **********SPV....You have a life? After what you wrote, on how you are
> > depressed because you did not have the depth to understand the vastness of
> God.
> > What life could you have?
>
> A normal life. A life in what I think is depressed. It is apart of life. For
> those that thinks life is JUST good are not looking at life hard
> enough.....Vastness of God? You know, there is a VERY easy way to beat you
> in this argument.
*********SPV....Now I have yet to hear this argument. And I never read more
than I am writing. You get this, I never read these post and think about them.
I read them, let the words sink deep into the heart and respond. The
Instinctive center and the Heart's intellectual center moves something like
30,000 faster than you can think) So I am looking for this VERY easy way to
beat me. Now you can tell this guy is from some different country. North
American must be his second language. And he is new because, and get the depth
of this. The Pervert and Judi and Brucie and Atlas would always say they would
be slapping me all around and beating me silly. But they would claim when I had
utter destroyed them because what you think they would say when I beat them so
bad? "Good Job Stephen you really made me look stupid. Only the United States
Secret Service came back to ask for their money back. And I just put it up on
the board and I made him look stupid too. Both agents. Just one after the
other. It's like pasting a piece of paper on their back and send them back to
the office and the paper says, "Kick me"
Ok so lets look at this Very Easy Way top Beat Me.
> Just act like you!
**********SPV....So I say these things. And I just say them once. Something
like, "for all you know I could be the Messiah because after I got Enlightened,
crime which had been going up for 70 straight years, started to go down, and now
violent crime is down 40% across the nation." And you go, "Now you are being
stupid." And it is so unbelievable that they don't even go look. You can look
at alt.www.fbi.gov and see that indeed crime did go up for 70 years and then
in 1992 it starts a very steep decline. A decline that people for some reason
are not interested in at all.
Now I could write a book on this one. Do you notice how nothing of positive
news, nothing of good news is even very much looked it. All that interests you
is negative news. Floods, Fires, Disasters, and Sports and Elections, because
Sports and Elections always have 1/2 losing. So if you look you will see that
popular news is always bad news. So and consider this. If all you look at is
bad news, then how are you going to know what is really going on?
You need to look at everything. Now remove your attention consciously from the
filth that you normally dwell on and consider this. If you only look at the
good things, you will be looking at the winning things and the things in the
flow of the TAO. You will see what is in the flow of life, the river of life.
In this way you can easily see what is getting stronger and what is getting
weaker. When you find something with the TAO behind it, it is best to just
watch because such is the flow of God and Life you can get your fingers burned
just hanging around.
So SinJoy, yes I agree, you can Very Easy Beat Me by being just like me. So
what are you going to do to be like me. What claims do you make on reality that
you are doing? Where are you going to claim if you can't see it?
SinJoy, You can no more act like me then be me. I put this out to challenge
you. Act like me if you can. And know that your own weapon to defeat me I just
twist around and point at you. That which you thought will defeat me, surely
defeats you.
This is the wisdom of Kung-Fu.
I make it look so easy, and it is indefeatable. Very Zen. Very powerful. You
take the attacking energy and you turn it on the enemy defeating them. It is
black belt Ju-Jistu.
So SinJoy the proof is in the pudding. What nonsense do I speak???
Stephen
life? You see this silly logic. If you can find God with Logic show it or him
or her to me? So where is A=B now? Now admit it. You're kind of stupid right?
Stephen
Stephen
wrong with you.
Look at what you write, "Stephen, sometimes you are so clouded in your mind, you
can't see that
things can work both ways." What are you talking about? What am I clouded
about. What can work both ways? You really are never saying anything but
negative put downs. What type of sewer do you live in. How about saying
something with an explaination? How about an example?
Stephen
>
> Yes, in a way you are right. But I am saying we are ALL stupid. But of
> course, you are too stupid to even comprehend this concept. There are three
> types of people in this world.
>
*******SPV.......Why do you say I am too stupid to even conprehend this
concept? Maybe you are too stupid to comprehend and you boyfriend had to
explain it to you and you project your own stupidity onto me. Why do you say
these things without examples????
Jonathan
~~SinJoy~~ <sin...@iprimus.com.au> wrote
>
> > > So is God atoms?
> >
> > *****SPV....So I was clear. God is that which is life. Is you life
> measured in
> > atoms? Kinda stupid?
>
> If God is that which is life. A=B. Atoms are all made up of life. B=C.
> Hence, God = Atoms...A=C
"Atoms are all made up of life" ?
Jonathan
Jonathan
~~SinJoy~~ <sin...@iprimus.com.au> wrote
"Gentlemen"....you're evidently both in need of assistance in the "knowing
what you are talking about" department...
> > Mind boggling. Who are you to judge words, religion and me?
>
> Stephen, sometimes you are so clouded in your mind, you can't see that
> things can work both ways.
>
> > What are you
> > talking about. Why would Enlightenment have to do with Buddhism?
The *English word* "Enlightenment" could be applied to both what Buddhists
and "Hindus" seek.
> <snip>In Buddahism, there is no believes of God.
Questionable. Supposedly, the Buddha held that it was an unprofitable
question to ask whether God existed or not. It's neither explicitly Theistic
nor explicitly Atheistic. It's just more focussed on "method" or "practice".
What they believe is that people
> reincarnate again and again until they reach "Enlightenment".
Misleading. The general belief is that people will reincarnate indefinitely
without reaching "Enlightenment"/"Liberation" *unless* they adopt specific
practices designed to escape from that cycle.
> If they reach
> this from cycles of reincarnations, they can be free of pain and suffering
> of life.
See previous comment.
> > Hindus have
> > been talking about Enlightenment for 10,000 years. It is the Hindus not
> the
> > Buddhist.
10,000 years is too much since the Aryans didn't sweep down into India till
between 3,000 and 4,000 years ago. Buddhism started in India (around 500 BC)
as a variant offshoot of "Hinduism" and with slightly different methods but
the same aim - liberation from wheel of repeated incarnation and/or
"Enlightenment".
> >So you, knowing nothing about religion are going to Ok a dictionary
> > for me? Where is your head at.
>
> So are you telling me you know more of Buddahism than me? Ohhhh, you are
> getting worse everytime....I can beat you with my little finger in the
> knowledge of Buddahism....
He could help you spell it.
Jonathan
Jonathan
Stephen <"svanier(nospam)"@uswest.net> wrote
> *******SPV.....What in existence that is alive
> is not God. Are you seperate from God? Just for you to say I am not God
> is to show your ignorance. Pervert this means that you are God
> also..........You are God, I am God,
> I know it, you don't know it. It is this which the Hindus called
> ignorance. And because you said, "Which you are not" it shows you do not
> have an understanding of "Oneness".
Stephen - your equation of "that which is *alive*" with God is not in accord
with any Indian Philosophical School I'm aware of. The Non-Dualist (Advaita)
Vedanta School holds that "everything is God" or "there is nothing which is
not God". The Dualist schools e.g. Vedanta and Yoga hold that everything
which is *conscious* is one with God.
Jonathan
~~SinJoy~~
me.
> Why? Because I am just doing what I want to do.
Any madmen will tell you they are doing what they want.....
>Now as to Illusions? What illusions?
> You have yet to say which of my stories you consider illusion? And poor
mental
> state? I never said or reported anything but the common cold. So what
mental
> state could you be talking about? You could only be thinking of your own
mental
> state and projecting it on me. So it would be more logical to understand
that
> when you say "Your poor mental state" you can only be talking about
yourself
> again. Then you report I am starting to get on your nerve. Only one
nerve. So
> bet it.(That would appear an insult).....So what do we have. We have this
> Single Nerve that is in poor mental state, having illusions feeling sorry
for
> yourself. So I toast you "The Nerve", may your never ring true with
wisdom for
> as long as it last.
ohh thats great, I am giving you my sympathy, and you turn around and bit
me and call the nerve. YOu better have that common cold checked.....AIDS
first signs is a common cold like symptom. Wouldn't it be better if I am in
a poor mental state? How would I be able to communicate with you if I don't
have a poor mental state?
> > A normal life. A life in what I think is depressed. It is apart of life.
For
> > those that thinks life is JUST good are not looking at life hard
> > enough.....Vastness of God? You know, there is a VERY easy way to beat
you
> > in this argument.
>
> *********SPV....Now I have yet to hear this argument. And I never read
more
> than I am writing.
YOu don't read any at all in this case.....since you ain't writing anything
but rubbish....
>You get this, I never read these post and think about them.
heheheheheh, I hardly believe you ever think at all!
> I read them, let the words sink deep into the heart and respond.
It is no wonder why your posts are always illogical and contradictory....you
use your heart and not your brain! The heart is used (in case you don't
know) to pump blood around the pulmonary artieries and veins. It is used to
transport waste, oxygen and carbon dioxide out and into cells. If you use
your heart to reply, no wonder your posts don't make any sense.....
> The
> Instinctive center and the Heart's intellectual center moves something
like
> 30,000 faster than you can think)
Have you done any biology at all? Or are you trying to make me laugh again?
The only differnce that sets apart human and animals is that humans don't
just use their insticts.....I guess you would have to fall into the ape
catergory.
>So I am looking for this VERY easy way to
> beat me. Now you can tell this guy is from some different country.
yeah, you are right....and that is way I am so surpirsed at first that your
English is just as bad as mine!
>North
> American must be his second language.
North American? Is it a language or a term used to label a group of people?
>And he is new because, and get the depth
> of this. The Pervert and Judi and Brucie and Atlas would always say they
would
> be slapping me all around and beating me silly. But they would claim when
I had
> utter destroyed them because what you think they would say when I beat
them so
> bad? "Good Job Stephen you really made me look stupid. Only the United
States
> Secret Service came back to ask for their money back. And I just put it
up on
> the board and I made him look stupid too. Both agents. Just one after
the
> other. It's like pasting a piece of paper on their back and send them
back to
> the office and the paper says, "Kick me"
The only reason is because they feel so sorry for you, they don't want to
hurt you so bad you would have a nervous breakdown. But as for me, I am
having a long break, so I have all the time in the world to kick your ass.
In normal circumstances, if this is in other NG, I wouldn't even talk to
you.....
> **********SPV....So I say these things. And I just say them once.
Something
> like, "for all you know I could be the Messiah because after I got
Enlightened,
> crime which had been going up for 70 straight years, started to go down,
and now
> violent crime is down 40% across the nation." And you go, "Now you are
being
> stupid." And it is so unbelievable that they don't even go look. You can
look
> at alt.www.fbi.gov and see that indeed crime did go up for 70 years and
then
> in 1992 it starts a very steep decline. A decline that people for some
reason
> are not interested in at all.
no, no, I wouldn't say you are stupid. It is possible that you could do
such a thing. Anything is possible. However, you have to ask yourself can
you decrease by a further 40%? If not, why not? If so, why the hell ain't
you doing it now? If you say you can do it, can you decrease it to 100%? If
not, why not? If so, how? There are millions of madmen each year claims
these sort of things. The date that the world is going to end, etc....There
is no way of arguing they are wrong. The only way is to ask them repeat it.
In the chance of maths states, these things can't happen all the time. SO IF
you really did do it, you can always do it again.....
>
> Now I could write a book on this one.
YOu can write a book about anything, it is a matter of who will buy it!
>Do you notice how nothing of positive
> news, nothing of good news is even very much looked it. All that
interests you
> is negative news. Floods, Fires, Disasters, and Sports and Elections,
because
> Sports and Elections always have 1/2 losing.
It is kinda weird that with all the negative things you said and around you,
you attempt to talk about positive things.
>So if you look you will see that
> popular news is always bad news.
That is not true. It only so appears that the news' role is to inform the
society if anything that happens in this world. And it is better to alert
people the bad things so they can be ready for it. There is no point having
news reporting all good news of how I kick your ass....
> So and consider this. If all you look at is
> bad news, then how are you going to know what is really going on?
Sorry to break the news to you, Life is itself not good news. If you argue,
you are just being stupid. So of course, you are going to ask me, if life is
not good news, why am I still here. See, you don't think for yourself....
> Now remove your attention consciously from the
> filth that you normally dwell on and consider this. If you only look at
the
> good things, you will be looking at the winning things and the things in
the
> flow of the TAO.
Nah, this is good, I got nothing against that....this is actually the first
time I am in agreement with you.....but what is TAO? YOu ahve to explain
that...
> You will see what is in the flow of life, the river of life.
> In this way you can easily see what is getting stronger and what is
getting
> weaker. When you find something with the TAO behind it, it is best to
just
> watch because such is the flow of God and Life you can get your fingers
burned
> just hanging around.
Even if TAO is flowing , it ain't flowing within you, you have got so much
negative force, it is not funny.
>
> So SinJoy, yes I agree, you can Very Easy Beat Me by being just like me.
So
> what are you going to do to be like me. What claims do you make on
reality that
> you are doing? Where are you going to claim if you can't see it?
Another time I will try to be serious (it is kinda hard sometimes around
you), I told you already, everyone can make beliefs on reality, but no one
can claim it. The only way to claim something as truth is to be that truth
itself. Since you will always be a perceiver looking at the object, you
can't claim the external object. For example, I can't claim that I am seeing
a red pen in front of me and that pen exists externally outside independent
of me. BUT I can't claim that I am seeing a red pen and it is a truth that I
have got a red pen-image copy in my mind at this particular frame of time.
But of course, you won't understand....
>
> SinJoy, You can no more act like me then be me. I put this out to
challenge
> you. Act like me if you can. And know that your own weapon to defeat me
I just
> twist around and point at you. That which you thought will defeat me,
surely
> defeats you.
Being like you requires little skills but to talk nonsense and crap all the
time....any grade 2 student can do that.
> I make it look so easy, and it is indefeatable. Very Zen. Very powerful.
You
> take the attacking energy and you turn it on the enemy defeating them. It
is
> black belt Ju-Jistu.
ahh man, you are walking on thin ice...do you know what SinJoy means?
> So SinJoy the proof is in the pudding. What nonsense do I speak???
hehe, nonsense is not when it is turned to you, for if all is nonsense,
nonsense becomes no nonsense. Hence, in order for you to see you are
speaking nonsense, you must first speak the first line of truth. For the
truth is in your hands, but you chooses your heart to see instead. Your
heart is blind to any external forces, but the blood flowing in your
veins....
Happy? I down graded my level to speak like you......
~~SinJoy~~
What is
> wrong with you.
I attack you? I gave you sumpathy and you attack me! And don't use the word
nerd on me, the meaning of nerd is one that uses the computer all the time,
I see you live in this NG, so who is the nerd here?
>
> Look at what you write, "Stephen, sometimes you are so clouded in your
mind, you
> can't see that
> things can work both ways." What are you talking about? What am I
clouded
> about. What can work both ways? You really are never saying anything but
> negative put downs. What type of sewer do you live in. How about saying
> something with an explaination? How about an example?
YOu want an example? The ones like yours? Like I can say, I live in Mars,
working for the aliens and if I ever want to, I can bring hell and wars in
this world? I am friends with Satan and I am here to fight you with God. Is
this the kind of example you want me to give you? What good are examples if
you can't give proves of it?
~~SinJoy~~
I guess I expect too much from you.....if you want me to explain why humans
are stupid here goes....I just don't want to waste my energy of talking
sense since you never read them and even if you do, it makes no
difference......
Humans are stupid because...
1) Stupid is a relative term. One can only use this word if relating to
something. If we relate our intelligence to pigs, we say we are smarter.
However, we are smarter in a small scale, but which speices is the one that
is damging earth at the moment? Humans are like pest, eating away slowly all
the resources on earth. Humans are the only animal speices that are stupid
enough to not know when to stop.
2) IN the molecular sense, humans are very imperfect and hence, leads to
being very limited and stupid. In every five base pair of nucleotide, there
will be a misense or nonsense condon of DNA. What that means is that over 60
percent of DNA are junk. The first second one is born, one is already
crippled when this curse....full of mutations, junks in their structures of
DNA, and worse still, resessive genes waiting to come out.
3) Humans are stupid becasue we are the only ones that knows something is
bad but we still do it. Smoking, having unprotected sex......we know the
risk, but we are too stupid to control.
4) Ones will and thoughts are not controlled by oneself.
5) There is a continuous battle between the animal instincts and the human
rationality.
6) Humans are stupid because we can't even come close to truths/.
7) Humans are stupid because we can't even come close to truths but we think
we can.
8) The first second one is born, one is already fallen into assumptions and
contradictions.
9)Humans can do nothing else but to follow ones own physiological well
being, hormonal changes and the autonomic changes. WHat one feels as in
control is really the sum of all these.
I will stop here, I can go on and build on this further, but I think your
attention span is so small, you might start playing with your monitor's
controls by now.....
~~SinJoy~~
YOu ask me to do this, can you do it too? Can you fill it with God? You
would claim that you already have because all is God....can't you see that
you are running around in circles like a dog trying to catch his own tail? I
have never seen such crazy person in my life, this is really my first
time....
Stephen <"svanier(nospam)"@uswest.net> wrote in message
news:3A30D8E7...@uswest.net...
~~SinJoy~~
more nonsense....around Stephen, all you need to do is fill the post with
junk.....of course that it is a contradiction....it is contradictory for
Stephen to not be contradictory!
<tamm...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:90r3pl$ol2$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
Stephen
Stephen
********SPV.....Look Nerd, tell us about God. I give you another chance to tell
us how stupid you are.
Stephen
*****SPV......Lets get clear of the bullshit. Tell us of God.
Stephen
~~SinJoy~~ wrote:
> YOu ask me to do this, can you do it too? Can you fill it with God? You
> would claim that you already have because all is God....can't you see that
> you are running around in circles like a dog trying to catch his own tail? I
> have never seen such crazy person in my life, this is really my first
> time....
*****SPV......I said one thing and you are shown to be stupid and now you want
me to follow your example into stupidity. I am Enlightened and you are just
silly, you are so stupid.
What's the deal can't you accept the fact that you are sub-rate compared to me.
What would you do if you lived in the time of Buddha? Piss and moan to him
about Enlightenment? What if you were born during Jesus' time. Piss and moan
to him? So can't you admit that these people are far superior than you? It's
just one more step to understand that I am what they call Man # 7 and as far
above you as you are above an ant.
Stephen
to me because he is proven to me a small petty nerd and so he would cut me
off. This is routine. My family did this. You know my brother said, "Don't
help my brother to do anything. The sooner he hits rock bottom the sooner he
will come to me for help."
Can you believe how petty and jealous he is? Boy would I hate to be him. What
a fucking loser. And my brother has his whole bill to pay. He has to pay to
the last farthing as that fellow Sore is doing.
Stephen
Which of these think tanks ever made someone become Enlightened. What you study
isn't worth toilet paper unless the publisher pulled and funny and printed that
bullshit for some use.
Stephen
Jonathan wrote:
>
>
> "Gentlemen"....you're evidently both in need of assistance in the "knowing
> what you are talking about" department...
>
> > > Mind boggling. Who are you to judge words, religion and me?
> >
>
>
> The *English word* "Enlightenment" could be applied to both what Buddhists
> and "Hindus" seek.
>
***********SPV.....And it means what I said it means.
>
> > <snip>In Buddahism, there is no believes of God.
*********SPV.....You telling me I don't know? Buddha had a way, the way of
negation. He said that which you can not name is God. In this way you identify
with everything in life you can and what you can't identify with is God.
Buddha would say, "Don't ask me about God, just sit and do what I say in
meditation and all your question will be answered on their own.
*******SPV.....Jonathan, does all you knowledge bring you Enlightenment? Are
you Enlightened and Liberated and Free? Then you don't know do you. In other
words, all this knowledge doesn't do shit for you.
Well guess what? I am Enlightened so why not shut up and learn about something
beside bullshit in a book.
Remember the Lord said, "Eat ye not from the tree of knowledge". And what do
you think you are doing? You are preaching that you "know" and you are doing
what? Feeding your own ego with your superior knowledge of nothing.
Jonathan. How about doing some work first. Why not learn to meditate then you
can come and get in the middle of me just chewing Sinjoy's ego to bits.
Stephen
think?
Jonathan
Stephen <"svanier(nospam)"@uswest.net> wrote
> *******SPV....Jonathan, are you Enlightened? Then who gives a shit what
you
> think?
A) No but then neither are you. B) You evidently.
Jonathan
Stephen <"svanier(nospam)"@uswest.net> wrote
> *******SPV......Jonathan......Which religion or scriptures ever made a
Buddha?
> Which of these think tanks ever made someone become Enlightened. What you
study
> isn't worth toilet paper unless the publisher pulled and funny and printed
that
> bullshit for some use.
Which religion or scriptures did you get "It is this which the Hindus call
ignorance" out of ? Which of these religions ever made someone become
Enlightened ? What you study isn't worth toilet paper unless the publisher
Jonathan
Stephen <"svanier(nospam)"@uswest.net> wrote
> ***********SPV......So what does Jonathan say? He says he knows?
>
> Jonathan wrote:
>
> > "Gentlemen"....you're evidently both in need of assistance in the
"knowing
> > what you are talking about" department...
> >
> > > > (SPV to Sin Joy)Mind boggling. Who are you to judge words, religion
and me?
> > >
(Return of removed sentence) - (SPV to SinJoy)- "What are you talking about.
Why would Enlightenment have to do with Buddhism".
> >
> > The *English word* "Enlightenment" could be applied to both what
Buddhists
> > and "Hindus" seek.
> >
> ***********SPV.....And it means what I said it means.
>
Irrelevant.
(Sin Joy)> > > <snip>In Buddahism, there is no believes of God.
>
> *********SPV.....You telling me I don't know? Buddha had a way, the way
of
> negation. He said that which you can not name is God.
Rubbish
In this way you identify
> with everything in life you can and what you can't identify with is God.
Rubbish
> Buddha would say, "Don't ask me about God, just sit and do what I say in
> meditation and all your question will be answered on their own.
Bad paraphrase skewed to fit the previous rubbish.
> *******SPV.....Jonathan, does all you knowledge bring you Enlightenment?
You're correct in saying I "know" plenty. There's no reason to believe that
knowledge *brings* "Enlightenment" (if the latter exists and I've never met
anyone I considered possessed it).
Are
> you Enlightened and Liberated and Free?
"Enlightened" as to what ? "Liberated" from what ? "Free" from what ?
> Then you don't know do you.
Before you decided to answer your own rhetorical question you just implied
that I knew plenty.
In other
> words, all this knowledge doesn't do shit for you.
I usually "do shit" for myself - especially on the servants' days off.
> Well guess what?
Why would I have to guess ? Why wouldn't there be evidence making it obvious
?
> I am Enlightened....
Idi Amin awarded himself all sorts of titles and medals too. "By their
fruits shall ye know them".
...so why not shut up and learn about something
> beside bullshit in a book.
I'm glad to have helped you see that your and SinJoy's argument about the
content of books was about "bullshit".
> Remember the Lord said, "Eat ye not from the tree of knowledge".
Really ? That actually happened ? Was that before or after the talking snake
turned up ?
And what do
> you think you are doing? You are preaching that you "know"....
"Know" as in your "All you knowledge" ? (of the mundane facts of Buddhism
and "Hinduism").
...and you are doing
> what? Feeding your own ego with your superior knowledge of nothing.
Cool huh ? Is Superior knowledge of nothing like your Buddha's "Way of
Negation" ? You and SinJoy have been vying over who had the "superior
knowledge of *nothing*" for days. I'm glad to have helped you realise the
worthlessness of the content.
~~SinJoy~~
it, bring some aggresion out...maybe it can undo some loose nuts in
there.....
Stephen <"svanier(nospam)"@uswest.net> wrote in message
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~~SinJoy~~
If God thinks he is more superior, he is not worthy to follow. If Buddah
thinks he is more better than his people, he is also not worthy to be
followed. For the wiser one gets, the more one thinks how little one knows.
The higher one climbs on the mountain, the smaller one feels. Can't say much
about you.....
If you think that God mind who is more superior, you are insane. Power is
only for the insecure. It is peace and harmony that is more better. To claim
who is better is not asking for peace and harmony. I don't claim I am
superior than an ant. An ant can lift 6 times its own weight. Can you do
that? YOu probably can't even lift 12 kg. An ant can be obedient and their
community is so complex, you wouldn't even start to understand it. The
reason why you keep thinking you are superior is because you are inferior.
The smarter one gets, the dumber one thinks they are.
Stephen <"svanier(nospam)"@uswest.net> wrote in message
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~~SinJoy~~
Get rid of the bullshits? What is left in your post then? Empty space.....Or
maybe it is that you are too lazy to read and reply to my posts....
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Stephen
Big difference. Now what is your pee brain bitching about. Your ego is
demanding that God only be your equal? In the Jewish religion they say, "God is
not a nice man. God is not your Uncle Harry." And above all they teach you to
fear God. Now why would you fear your peer.
If I were you I would think more in the line of dealing with your own pus, your
own ego, your own filth before you start to tell us and the world how God has to
live up to your expectation by only being your equal.
Judi did this to me also. She said, "If you have merged with God and if God is
anything like you I refuse. I reject God."
I said, "You think you have some choice like this is a beauty show? You think
you vote for God? You get what you get and if God says jump, you say "how
high"."
Stephen
~~SinJoy~~ wrote:
> Get rid of the bullshits? What is left in your post then? Empty space.....Or
> maybe it is that you are too lazy to read and reply to my posts....
>
***********SPV........OK, you first, tell us about God then. Tell us what
Enlightenment means, that I can use. Tell us how you think God is your peer,
your equal.
Stephen
makes you think I can't get Enlightened and have not done the work. You have so
clue or proof, or are you just breaking wind?
Stephen
Enlightenment. You say you are not Enlightened but you know who is???? How to
know? You know they didn't like what Jesus said either. They took him out and
hung him, after a good beating and hummiliation. They didn't like his claim to
be Enlightened. So are you like the elder Jews and the Romans. You judge me?
Are you like those that would judge Jesus wanting.
Stephen
********SPV.....Jonny boy, violent crime is down 40% acrosss the nation, and
Rape is down 45% across the nation. The stock market is coming off all time
highs, and the projected surplus is enough to take care of all the cold and warm
wars of the last 100 years. Someone is the Messiah, things are alot better. No
cold war, not atomic threat. Things are vastly better. Now who is the
Messiah. If you know it is not me, then who?
~~SinJoy~~
all good and one that gives meaning to life. But the problems arise when
these qualities contradicts one another...as I already pointed out to you.
YOu can have God all good but not all powerful or vice versa. God presence
is likely. I NEVER said that 100% God does not exist. All I said was, we
humans are incapable of knowing God's existence. There is a big difference.
God may exist and we do not know it, or God do not exist and we do not know
it. The problem is that truths exist independent of a perceiver. Hence, no
matter what one thinks of a matter, that matter continues to exist/not exist
independently.
Stephen <"svanier(nospam)"@uswest.net> wrote in message
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~~SinJoy~~
> **************SPV.......I don't think I am more superior, I am more
superior.
Superior people don't argue in NGs....they usually do superior things like
saving the world.....or helping the third world countries....
> Big difference. Now what is your pee brain bitching about. Your ego is
> demanding that God only be your equal? In the Jewish religion they say,
"God is
> not a nice man. God is not your Uncle Harry." And above all they teach
you to
> fear God. Now why would you fear your peer.
If this really is the quality applies to God, I for one will not be a
follower. Even if God in return gives me infinite heaven, I will not go. I
am a man of principles. If this is the God you are talking about, you can
keep it for yourself...... YOu can be his slave....you can be his inferior
slave.....
>
> If I were you I would think more in the line of dealing with your own pus,
your
> own ego
My own ego? My pride and ego is long already gone.....
>your own filth before you start to tell us and the world how God has to
> live up to your expectation by only being your equal.
Why is it so important that God must act as a father instead of a friend? Is
this that important that God would mind so much? Would a God that creates
the earth in 7 days mind such little minor details?
> Judi did this to me also. She said, "If you have merged with God and if
God is
> anything like you I refuse. I reject God."
> I said, "You think you have some choice like this is a beauty show?> You
think
> you vote for God?
In a way, yes, we can vote for God. If I don't like the qualities applies to
God, I can choose not to follow. That is my will.
There are many other religions you know.....
I would rather be in hell than to be with a God that I have to fear and to
follow orders with no reasons and to be always looked down at as an inferior
being. I would rather be a brave sinner that think for myself and lead my
own path of life. I think God would be more proud for a thinker not a follow
er.