ATLAS M. SCHACTER, WHERE ARE YOU WHEN YOU ARE NEEDED? :)
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
Well, Atlas! Now you have gone and done it! Don't try to deny it! You
have really gone and done it this time! You just couldn't leave well
enough alone could you? Going and doing it like you have gone and done
it and... AND boy, oh boy! It is really gone and done now.
I mean, I MEAN, here is all these high and mighty elevated
consciousnesses, who all have their liver lips firmly planted on the
rectal orifice of that pinko, commie, Russkie Gurdjieff, sucking down
that vodka tasting feces that he puts out and believing that the high
that they are getting from it is some kind of "enlightenment", and what
happens? WHAT HAPPENS? Well, I'll tell you what happens...
Eric, and ***Fuckwit, both have begun having these vodka flavored shit
delusions that somehow you are ME!!! Now if that isn't a vodka flavored
shit delusion, I don't know what is! :)
Now Gnaustica may no longer be able to conjure up his old vehemence in
the form of "scathing sarcasm", but he, at least has no delusions about
who is who. He used to accuse me of "screaming at shadows" when I would
postulate that some "sock puppet" sounded a lot like someone who wrote
the same way, but he never was as far off as Eric and ***Fuckwit are on
this account.
Isn't it kind of ironic that the two most prolific proclaimers of
success at raising their consciousnesses by sucking off old GIG's vodka
laced feces are THE two most deluded assholes here? I mean, I MEAN, how
enlightened can they be when they can't see, nor can they tell that in
actuality there is no resemblance at all between you and me.
And you, Empath... don't you just sit there with that shit eating grin
on your face... Eric is accusing you of being me too! Talk about the
blind feeding the blind!
I am beginning to really get the feeling that all this "slyman" bullshit
is just the excuse that a bunch of retards are using to keep from
recognizing that they are nothing but a bunch of neer-do-well fuckups. I
mean, I MEAN here are these characters who want everyone to believe that
they have some kind of special knowledge and with that special knowledge
they are able to "DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING".
Now it takes a special kind of gall to try to put THAT kind of vodka
flavored shit delusion on everyone. Don't you think?
Anyway, I am sitting here having such a good time, being blamed/credited
with all the stuff that is exposing Eric and ***Fuckwit for the
adle-pated, beetle-headed, putz-nutted, little fart-faces that they
obviously are, when in actuality... it is naught but their own paranoia
and fear that they are exhibiting.
C'mon you guys! Being so fucking enlightened must be worth something
more than tilting at windmills when in actuality there are no windmills,
and the only thing that is tilted is the great pinball machine of your
vodka flavored shit soaked frontal lobes.
Sorry to have to put it to you this way, but you don't seem to be able
to understand it any other way. Being potty trained at gunpoint really
did a trip on both of you guys.
Alright, I'm going to count to three, snap my fingers and you will
awaken and feel fine!
One...
Two...
Three...
Snap!!!
(I just love doing that!) :)
Now FOAD, both of you!!!
Oh, and remember, I don't mean any of this in a bad way... After all,
like ***Fuckwit said: "Allison is a man with a good heart!"
Heh heh heh heh. :)
--
Beware the Obvious-Suspect the Reality
AllisonWonderland
http://www.livingston.net/allison/ISIB.htm
http://members.xoom.com/Crystalume/
Empath
<all...@livingston.net> wrote:
>And you, Empath... don't you just sit there with that shit eating grin
>on your face... Eric is accusing you of being me too! Talk about the
>blind feeding the blind!
Not keeping up on the exchanges between Eric and Atlas, leaves me
knowing nothing of any claims regarding Atlas' identity. Calling me
James, though, is no accusation of sock puppetry. He was just
exercising his prerogative as a friend. The exchanges between Eric and
I are not the hostilities they may appear. He knows my name.
James "Empath"
Light Touch
> before he gets the slightest hint of what the old man was really getting
> at, mostly because he can't admit to himself that he *doesn't* actually
> get it.
> >
************SPV.....So you get it and I don't? What a silly stupid thing to
say. Well you said, now back it up. Tell us what Gurdjieff was meaning,
what the old man was getting at????
You opened your mouth and got your foot in it. So big talker back up your
big mouth.
And watch, he can't say anything because he doesn't know anything, and what
he does say, I can just cut right down to size because he's a fucking
nitwit. I mean, the guy or gal wanted to argue and then with these silly
claims he's/she's backed himself/herself into a corner.
Judi Rhodes
>
>Allison wrote:
> > I am beginning to really get the feeling that all this "slyman"
> bullshit
> > is just the excuse that a bunch of retards are using to keep from
> > recognizing that they are nothing but a bunch of neer-do-well fuckups.
> > I mean, I MEAN here are these characters who want everyone to believe
> > that they have some kind of special knowledge and with that special
> > knowledge they are able to "DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING".
>
> >
****** Yep, and I especially like the neer-do-well fuckups part. :-)
Rich! :-)
Happy Days,
Judi
Light Touch
two of them.
And neither one of the other two assholes know shit. Couldn't pound shit into
a rat hole. And why? When you can "do" you are going to be able to talk
about the present. And they never can because they never have master the mind
to get the thoughts to stop. How you going to do anything when you are
dreaming your are knowing it all. A pervert a moron and an old dried up hag.
Luke and Puke and Stupid. I toast you all.
Atlas M. Schacter
all...@livingston.net wrote:
> Atlas... Aaaat-las... ATLASSSSS! Oh there you are!!!
>
> Well, Atlas! Now you have gone and done it! Don't try to deny it! You
> have really gone and done it this time! You just couldn't leave well
> enough alone could you? Going and doing it like you have gone and done
> it and... AND boy, oh boy! It is really gone and done now.
>
> I mean, I MEAN, here is all these high and mighty elevated
> consciousnesses, who all have their liver lips firmly planted on the
> rectal orifice of that pinko, commie, Russkie Gurdjieff, sucking down
> that vodka tasting feces that he puts out and believing that the high
> that they are getting from it is some kind of "enlightenment", and
> what happens? WHAT HAPPENS? Well, I'll tell you what happens...
Actually, Gurdjieff was a Georgian and certainly not a "commie," but he
sure had mulitu(r)des sniffing his anus for a clue, didn't he? A smart
guy who befuddled legions of would-be disciples with his "work" ideas
and wild storytelling -- SPV's got a millennium of incarnations to go
before he gets the slightest hint of what the old man was really getting
at, mostly because he can't admit to himself that he *doesn't* actually
get it.
>
> Eric, and ***Fuckwit, both have begun having these vodka flavored shit
> delusions that somehow you are ME!!! Now if that isn't a vodka
> flavored shit delusion, I don't know what is! :)
For all the good it will do, Mr. Allison, I hereby state that Atlas M.
Schacter is not Allison Wonderland. What else can I do? Nutbags and
their erstwhile sycophants will believe what they want to believe
regardless of what is written or said.
>
> Now Gnaustica may no longer be able to conjure up his old vehemence in
> the form of "scathing sarcasm", but he, at least has no delusions
about
> who is who. He used to accuse me of "screaming at shadows" when I
would
> postulate that some "sock puppet" sounded a lot like someone who wrote
> the same way, but he never was as far off as Eric and ***Fuckwit are
> on this account.
>
> Isn't it kind of ironic that the two most prolific proclaimers of
> success at raising their consciousnesses by sucking off old GIG's
> vodka laced feces are THE two most deluded assholes here?
Ironic? -- hell, I'd say it's inevitable!
> I mean, I MEAN, how
> enlightened can they be when they can't see, nor can they tell that in
> actuality there is no resemblance at all between you and me.
Well said sir, no further comment required.
>
> And you, Empath... don't you just sit there with that shit eating grin
> on your face... Eric is accusing you of being me too! Talk about the
> blind feeding the blind!
>
> I am beginning to really get the feeling that all this "slyman"
bullshit
> is just the excuse that a bunch of retards are using to keep from
> recognizing that they are nothing but a bunch of neer-do-well fuckups.
> I mean, I MEAN here are these characters who want everyone to believe
> that they have some kind of special knowledge and with that special
> knowledge they are able to "DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING".
Now you're getting close to what Gurdjieff was getting at!
>
> Now it takes a special kind of gall to try to put THAT kind of vodka
> flavored shit delusion on everyone. Don't you think?
>
Gurdjieff had a pair of stones, no doubt about it -- but don't confuse
him with those that kid themselves into thinking they can "do."
> Anyway, I am sitting here having such a good time, being
blamed/credited
> with all the stuff that is exposing Eric and ***Fuckwit for the
> adle-pated, beetle-headed, putz-nutted, little fart-faces that they
> obviously are, when in actuality... it is naught but their own
> paranoia and fear that they are exhibiting.
Indeed.
>
> C'mon you guys! Being so fucking enlightened must be worth something
> more than tilting at windmills when in actuality there are no
windmills,
> and the only thing that is tilted is the great pinball machine of your
> vodka flavored shit soaked frontal lobes.
:-)
>
> Sorry to have to put it to you this way, but you don't seem to be able
> to understand it any other way. Being potty trained at gunpoint really
> did a trip on both of you guys.
>
> Alright, I'm going to count to three, snap my fingers and you will
> awaken and feel fine!
> One...
> Two...
> Three...
> Snap!!!
>
> (I just love doing that!) :)
>
> Now FOAD, both of you!!!
>
> Oh, and remember, I don't mean any of this in a bad way... After all,
> like ***Fuckwit said: "Allison is a man with a good heart!"
>
Yup, and Al Schacter (whomever and whatever he is or isn't) only wants
the best for SPV -- gj is perfectly capable of seeing through is own
game, so he's on his own. :-)
> Heh heh heh heh. :)
>
That too -- well met, sir!
> --
> Beware the Obvious-Suspect the Reality
> AllisonWonderland
> http://www.livingston.net/allison/ISIB.htm
> http://members.xoom.com/Crystalume/
>
>
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Before you buy.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> Actually, Gurdjieff was a Georgian and certainly not a "commie," but he
> sure had mulitu(r)des sniffing his anus for a clue, didn't he?
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
Mulitu(r)des? You mean Multitu(r)des? And as far as I'm concerned,
anyone from the old USSR is a "commie pinko"! :)
Atlas M. Schacter wrote:
> A smart guy who befuddled legions of would-be disciples with his "work"
> ideas and wild storytelling
~~~AW~~~:
Well, you know that back when the way he looked was in fashion, there
were just bunches and bunches of those kind of looking guys who started
their own religions.
I don't know if you know who Charles Taze Russell was, but he was the
guy who started that most fucked up of religions, the Jehovah's
Witnesses.
He was related (concept wise) to the Seventh Day Adventists.
There was a whole bevy of those asshole MindPrisonWarden types that came
along about that time, and spawned the basis of many of the "cult" type
religions of today.
That old vodka swilling "commie pinko" Georgia Georgie was one of the
less successful of the bunch.
At least C.T.Russell's successors ended up the THE largest printing
facility in the world. Compare that with what Georgia Georgie ended up
with: A deluded ***FuckwitMessiah in a welfare apartment with no A/C and
dirty furniture!
Atlas M. Schacter wrote:
> SPV's got a millennium of incarnations to go before he gets the
> slightest hint of what the old man was really getting at, mostly
> because he can't admit to himself that he *doesn't* actually
> get it.
~~~AW~~~:
I suspect that what Georgia Gorgie was getting at was and is ungettable.
I suspect that ***Fuckwit HAS gotten it, but that with all that effort,
there is really nothing there. After all, ***Fuckwit wants to teach
people to sit around doing nothing for ten buck a session. Maybe he
should do it at the local mattress store where he could do that and test
mattresses all at the same time.
Atlas M. Schacter wrote:
> For all the good it will do, Mr. Allison, I hereby state that Atlas M.
> Schacter is not Allison Wonderland.
~~~AW~~~:
I know that, and you know that, but apparently these "enlightened" types
can't see that. And you don't have to call me Mr. :)
Atlas M. Schacter wrote:
> What else can I do?
~~~AW~~~:
Sit back and with me, have a really good laugh at their expense.
Atlas M. Schacter wrote:
> Nutbags and their erstwhile sycophants will believe what they want to
> believe regardless of what is written or said.
~~~AW~~~:
Pitifully humorous, isn't it! And they think that what they have is
recommendable. Pitiful, I tell you, just pitiful. :)
~~~AW~~~:
> > Isn't it kind of ironic that the two most prolific proclaimers of
> > success at raising their consciousnesses by sucking off old GIG's
> > vodka laced feces are THE two most deluded assholes here?
Atlas M. Schacter wrote:
> Ironic? -- hell, I'd say it's inevitable!
~~~AW~~~:
And then they have the gall to act "elevated". Pitiful, I tell you, just
pitiful. :)
~~~AW~~~:
> > I mean, I MEAN here are these characters who want everyone to believe
> > that they have some kind of special knowledge and with that special
> > knowledge they are able to "DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING".
Atlas M. Schacter wrote:
> Now you're getting close to what Gurdjieff was getting at!
~~~AW~~~:
Well, let me see if I can explain this so that everyone can understand
it... When someone gets a bunch of people to agree to let themselves be
held prisoner, then that MindPrisonWarden has created a problem for
himself. And the problem is this: He can't have this bunch of people
doing ANYTHING, because as soon as they start doing something then they
start getting out of control. Or the MindPrisonWarden has to exert
himself to make sure that what they are doing is what he wants them to
do. Soooo, and this is just plain obvious, the only thing that he can
permit them to do without losing control of them is... NOTHING! And
NOTHING is the only thing that the MindPrisonWarden can lead them in
doing that doesn't take any energy. So here is what happens... He
convinces them that it is somehow efficacious for them to sit around
doing nothing, thinking nothing, desiring nothing, having nothing, being
nothing, wanting nothing, getting nothing, giving nothing, and the whole
key to this is to make them believe that by doing all this nothing that
they are doing something! Pitiful, I tell you, just pitiful! :)
And the biggest example of this strategy is those greatest of all third
world countries, India and China! There are soooo many of them that if
they started doing anything that they would soon be out of control. So
the government encourages the foisting of Hinduism and Buddhaism on the
people to convince them that it is efficacious for them to empty their
minds, sit on their asses, and be "spiritual" (read that "inactive").
This makes them easy to control and it saves a whole lot of money by
making it to where they don't have to chain them down or tie them up to
keep them from being active. Pitiful, I tell you, just pitiful.
Atlas M. Schacter wrote:
> Yup, and Al Schacter (whomever and whatever he is or isn't) only wants
> the best for SPV
~~~AW~~~:
Well, I get the distinct feeling that he'd bitch if he was nailed to a
NEW cross with NEW nails, shot from a NEW nail-gun, or hung with a NEW
rope. It would be interesting to see if those statements were true,
wouldn't it? :)
Atlas M. Schacter wrote:
> gj is perfectly capable of seeing through is own game, so he's on his
> own. :-)
~~~AW~~~:
Some times I wonder! :)
~~~AW~~~:
> > Heh heh heh heh. :)
Atlas M. Schacter wrote:
> That too -- well met, sir!
~~~AW~~~:
It does seem to be the ultimate response to all their vodka flavored
feces induced delusions of enlightment, doesn't it?
Pitiful, I tell you, just pitiful!
Anyway, Atlas... you have a wonderscanned day now, you hear? :)
Atlas M. Schacter
Light Touch <spva...@uswest.net> wrote:
> > SPV's got a millennium of incarnations to go
> > before he gets the slightest hint of what the old man was really
getting
> > at, mostly because he can't admit to himself that he *doesn't*
actually
> > get it.
> > >
>
You see, my intervention is working -- you've finally asked an fairly
intelligent question. I'm not saying I do, I'm saying you clearly
don't.
> What a silly stupid thing to
> say. Well you said, now back it up. Tell us what Gurdjieff was
> meaning, what the old man was getting at????
Well, for one thing, all his talk about being able to "do" is just to
point out that nobody, himself included, can "do." He was such a
character, so charismatic, such a great storyteller that everyone
assumed that he, Gurdjieff, could "do." The big secret was that he was
no different in that respect from all the fools sniffing his flatus and
he *knew* it -- that was the difference between GIJ and his clueless
followers, he at least *knew* he wasn't the doer. Being a
hypercompetitive former salesman with a fourteen-year-old's ideas about
crime-fighting superheros, you fell for his "sly man" schtik hook, line,
and sinker -- and, with the help of your dubious mental condition, you
imagine you can "do," that you're out there fighting for "truth,
justice, and the American way!." You are, of course, entirely wrong --
you just making an utter ass of yourself on Usenet and living off
dishonestly obtained government payments and church charity.
>
> You opened your mouth and got your foot in it. So big talker back up
> your big mouth.
Done. You can't "do" anything and you're too deluded and egomaniacal to
see what the old man was getting at.
>
> And watch, he can't say anything because he doesn't know anything, and
what
> he does say, I can just cut right down to size because he's a fucking
> nitwit. I mean, the guy or gal wanted to argue and then with these
> silly claims he's/she's backed himself/herself into a corner.
>
No argument and no corner involved. you simply don't understand and you
cannot "do" diddilysquat. You've been had from the grave by the
ultimate "sly man," G.I. Gurdjieff!
Atlas M. Schacter
Light Touch <spva...@uswest.net> wrote:
> ***********SPV.....Now Judi talks about something she knows about, she
married
> two of them.
> And neither one of the other two assholes know shit. Couldn't pound
shit into
> a rat hole.
You've got a point there -- however, you left out the guy she was with
*after* the two clueless husbands, the biggest and most obvious asshole
of all -- you!
> And why? When you can "do" you are going to be able to talk
> about the present.
Fool, you can't "talk about the present" -- by the time you talk about
it, it's the past, deader than a doornail! Of course, you never even
hint at the present, 95% percent of your posts are pointless anecdotes
and resentment, all about the past
> And they never can because they never have master the mind
> to get the thoughts to stop. How you going to do anything when you
> are dreaming your are knowing it all.
Mirror's up!
> A pervert a moron and an old dried up hag.
> Luke and Puke and Stupid. I toast you all.
No thanks, you can have old George's rectal output all to yourself.
>
> Judi Rhodes wrote:
>
> > Atlas M. Schacter wrote:
> > >
> > >Allison wrote:
> > > > I am beginning to really get the feeling that all this "slyman"
> > > bullshit
> > > > is just the excuse that a bunch of retards are using to keep
from
> > > > recognizing that they are nothing but a bunch of neer-do-well
fuckups.
> > > > I mean, I MEAN here are these characters who want everyone to
believe
> > > > that they have some kind of special knowledge and with that
special
> > > > knowledge they are able to "DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING".
> > >
> > > Now you're getting close to what Gurdjieff was getting at!
> > > >
> >
> > ****** Yep, and I especially like the neer-do-well fuckups part. :-)
> > Rich! :-)
> >
> > Happy Days,
> > Judi
> >
> > http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htm
>
>
Light Touch
"Atlas M. Schacter" wrote:
> In article <398C78D5...@uswest.net>,
> Light Touch <spva...@uswest.net> wrote:
> > > SPV's got a millennium of incarnations to go
> > > before he gets the slightest hint of what the old man was really
> getting
> > > at, mostly because he can't admit to himself that he *doesn't*
> actually
> > > get it.
> > > >
> >
> > ************SPV.....So you get it and I don't?
>
> You see, my intervention is working -- you've finally asked an fairly
> intelligent question. I'm not saying I do, I'm saying you clearly
> don't.
********SPV....And what proof do you give for this thing you declare?
Light Touch
"Atlas M. Schacter" wrote:
> In article <398C8A3A...@uswest.net>,
> Light Touch <spva...@uswest.net> wrote:
> > ***********SPV.....Now Judi talks about something she knows about, she
> married
> > two of them.
> > And neither one of the other two assholes know shit. Couldn't pound
> shit into
> > a rat hole.
>
> You've got a point there -- however, you left out the guy she was with
> *after* the two clueless husbands, the biggest and most obvious asshole
> of all -- you!
>
*******SPV...Now you say I am an asshole. Why? Can you give an example or
is it simple jealousy?
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> > You see, my intervention is working -- you've finally asked an fairly
> > intelligent question. I'm not saying I do, I'm saying you clearly
> > don't.
***SPV:
> And what proof do you give for this thing you declare?
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
No proof needed. It is just obvious as the crooked nose on your face.
Noone has to prove that your nose is crooked? It is just obvious.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> > you left out the guy she was with *after* the two clueless husbands,
> > the biggest and most obvious asshole of all -- you!
***SPV:
> Now you say I am an asshole. Why? Can you give an example or
> is it simple jealousy?
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
No example necessary. It is obvious as the lack of hair on your head. No
one has to give an example of the lack of hair on your head. It is
Light Touch
you must know to know that I don't know. Either you can say, I don't know
and You don't know either and give reasons. Or you can say, "I know and I
know you don't know."
So there is no bullshit about it. Either you know, or you don't know, and
if you don't know then you can't possible know if I know or not because you
don't know. Now you can't have it both ways. And the Pervert doesn't
know. He can give you no reason, and I refuse to read his bullshit. So you
answer. And be clear and give examples. And one of us will wake up. Do
you have the courage?
"Atlas M. Schacter" wrote:
> In article <398DF5...@livingston.net>,
> all...@livingston.net wrote:
> > Atlas M. Schacter wrote:
> > > > You see, my intervention is working -- you've finally asked an
> fairly
> > > > intelligent question. I'm not saying I do, I'm saying you clearly
> > > > don't.
> >
> > ***SPV:
> > > And what proof do you give for this thing you declare?
> >
> > ~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
> > No proof needed. It is just obvious as the crooked nose on your face.
> > Noone has to prove that your nose is crooked? It is just obvious.
> >
> Right you are, Mr. Allison -- America's favorite red-headed,
> slave-bonking founding father had a good term for it: "self evident!"
> SPV might as well be writing "You say water is wet. And what proof do
> you give for this thing you declare?" Coming from an egregious nutcase
> who has yet to prove even one of his hundreds of extravagant and absurd
> claims this is really quite hilarious.
Light Touch
woman? It knows all about me. Is a follower, must read everything I
write. And that exposure is more than enough to prove my point. I know
nothing of you. I don't follow you, you follow me.
So the point being, if you are following why are you like the child I got to
drag by the ear hollering all the way? What is your bitch. And if you know
all the below, then you know I said crime would go down what? Five years
ago. Well it's been going straight down. I mean it's going down 10% a year
now and picking up speed. Do you know what that means?
Now I show you something. You say, you claim but you are just jealous.
When I said you were jealous you just jumped all over me with this below. I
was saying this, and saying that, and you were putting the pervert down in
quotes. But I hit a nerve with you, (and I must be honest to the new
people. This guy or woman is old news. I think this is Judi's older
daughter or some friend or something. I believe this to be a woman who is
so jealous it's beyond belief) Now you are right, throw the logic, throw
the whole thing. I tell you something only the FBI knows. They have
experts that work with numbers and figures and trends and all that. Crime
is not just dropping down. With the increase of momentum, crime in USA is
cured. You couldn't stop crime from going down if you put all the gold in
Fort Knocks on the street and didn't guard it.
Now who but a Master would know, what a whole staff at the FBI working day
and night can barely come to the conclusion of. That is why I say, crime
will go to zero. In reality it already has. Something in society is
reinforcing all types of non-violence and gutting the greed and just slowing
down the big wheel of Karma. Something is reinforcing all the good
qualities of Human nature. Something is overpowering all that is evil in
the human spirit.
Too bad you guys didn't tape everything I do. I fought the devil for three
hours. It was a no contest. I was so prepared and I had done nothing for
him to feed on. Three hours and the Devil gave up. And the fucker stabbed
me right in the back. So I gave up. I just gave up and let him take over
my whole body and he had nothing to work with. He healed me and then he
couldn't even get me to run a red light. He said, "Fuck you." And I
absorbed him. He didn't have a chance. He couldn't find a single woman
that I had used or abused. Not one.
>
> Make a bet? Do you actually think your schoolboy notions of logic apply
> here? If they do, then it is up to you to draw a logical connection
> between yourself and things like crime rates, middle east peace talks, a
> pretty girl named Carey who wouldn't let you near her if you were the
> last human male on the planet, wildfires that you claim to have
> controlled but are actually out of control, etc etc.
>
> > And the Pervert doesn't know.
>
> I really don't know Mr. Allison, but there's no doubt whatsoever that he
> has his head screwed on straight and you don't,
>
> > He can give you no reason, and I refuse to read his bullshit.
>
> Liar, you read it all the time. A psychopath needs enemies, and every
> since Allison brought your poor neglected little twerp of a son into
> this you consider Allison an enemy. Wasn't he a co-conspirator with
> Judi and "Brucie" in getting you entangled with the law? A man with a
> "PI" self-image always follows the adage: "Keep your friends close, and
> your enemies closer." Being as you have no friends, your perceived
> adversaries are your closest relationships, they're literally the only
> ones that care about you. You've communicated more with Allison in a
> few months then you have with your own flesh and blood in years. Face
> it, you *love* the guy!
>
> > So you answer. And be clear and give examples.
>
> I don't take instructions from nutbags. You're apparently so deluded
> that you see this as a relationship between equals, which it most
> assuredly is not.
>
> > And one of us will wake up.
>
> Hint, hint: "one of us" is already awake.
>
> > Do you have the courage?
>
> No shortage of that, but no shortage of brains either. Only a dolt gets
> drawn into a nutcase's attempts to take control of a situation, and
> that's not going to happen here. You are the psycho and I am your
> friend. If you are clear on that, *then* we can proceed.
Light Touch
emotions just repressed and you spend your whole life slave to these emotions.
I mention the word jealousy and she didn't have a chance of continuing the
battle that she had started. She is a slave to her jealousy. And in the same
way the husband and the wife are working you day in day out. Just taking
advantage of all these weaknesses. And beings these emotions are unconscious
they control you all day long. For example you know from watching TV that it is
dangerous to be walking downtown in the slums. (Didn't I promise to teach you
how to use awareness as a weapon?) So you hear about being mugged and you have
fear and this fear is triggered by being in the slums and some black guys are
coming towards you. So first thing you do is pull your fucking hands out of
your pockets.
Now let me get back to the problem. You have this fear, and it is triggered by
a situation. Now the situation may be real, or imaginary. It doesn't matter
because you are slave to it. So not to feel this fear you avoid the slums and
the downtown and really miss out on meeting some really nice guys. I mean you
end up in jail with these guys and they are really just ordinary guys, just a
little dumb and a little immature but who isn't.
So the fear stops you from going here, from going there, from asking the pretty
girls out, from asking for the raise, from moving to the new job, from leaving
the wife. Just a million and one things. And the jealousy is making you do
just as many stupid things, and the envy, and the hatred and the greed.
(I tell you now. A criminal never picks on the aware man. Too much trouble.
The worst thing you can do is just forget where you are at. I am in the slums I
am with the hands out of the pockets and I am looking around. It looks like I
am look for trouble. Now this is using the awareness offensively. The last
thing a thief is going to be looking to rob is another thief. So I just mirror
them. If they are out to mug, I look like I am out to mug. You fall to sleep
and you are daydreaming about money or the girls and like Stephen King a car
comes and just runs you over. Or someone is got a gun stuck in your back.
Daydreaming, sleeping, just dreaming about money and what to buy next and how to
save the money and all this shit like worrying how to make the utility bills,
and the next thing you know you are in big trouble. Three times I was sleeping
in the van and someone sees the door ajar because of the heat and one time this
guy opens the door to steal and starts to come in. I am asleep and I just said,
"Come on it." You never seen a thief move so fast out the door. Outnumbered,
outgunned, outmaned with younger guys and not once did I ever get hurt.)
Did I tell you the story of this drunk? I am living on the street and this
drunk on a bike rides by each night and bangs on the side of my van. Every
night I am asleep and about 1:00 am in the morning blam on the side of the van
as he drives home from where ever. So I write down in my log, "One day this
guy's going to get hurt." And within three weeks I am asleep and I feel this
crash. The guy had gone to slam the van and I guess his arm slipped and he
crashed into the back of the van and his head hits the curb on the way down. I
get out of the van and this guy is unconscious. His head looked like he had
been hit with a baseball bat. So I called 911. They call an ambulance and the
guy has his neck in a brace. I mean he slammed into the back of the van doing
about 10 mph and then goes face first into the concrete curb. I mean my van
just beat the living shit out of this guy. So the police are there and they are
really nice to me. And the cop was laughing and laughing and shaking his head.
I mean let me tell you this. I called 911 and the cops came and then the
ambulance came and the guy was still unconscious. They took him away and he was
still unconscious.
Oh, nobody ever slammed my van again at night. Maybe he learned his lesson?
Maybe he died? I don't know.
Atlas M. Schacter
Atlas M. Schacter
Light Touch <spva...@uswest.net> wrote:
> ************SPV.....If you know I don't know then it is only logical
that
> you must know to know that I don't know. Either you can say, I don't
know
> and You don't know either and give reasons. Or you can say, "I know
and I
> know you don't know."
I can say any damned thing I want to, Stephen -- there's your delusional
side again, believing that somehow you get to make the rules.
>
> So there is no bullshit about it. Either you know, or you don't know,
and
> if you don't know then you can't possible know if I know or not
because you
> don't know. Now you can't have it both ways.
Make a bet? Do you actually think your schoolboy notions of logic apply
Atlas M. Schacter
Light Touch <spva...@uswest.net> wrote:
> ************SPV......I gotcha......Look at what this guy writes? This
> woman?
What's the matter, rabbi ([c]2000 by "gj"), why don't you know who's got
you sussed and nailed? Your divine powers ain't what you crack them up
to be, are they?
> It knows all about me. Is a follower, must read everything I
> write.
No, I do highly selective searchs that serve my informational needs. I
haven't even read one percent of what you've posted, just enough to
confirm what I need to confirm about your pitiable perceptual condition.
> And that exposure is more than enough to prove my point. I
> know nothing of you.
That's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to what you "know
nothing of."
> I don't follow you, you follow me.
The only one following you is that other nutcase, "PAC" from the Ryder
fan newsgroup, the one who thinks you're some kind of conspirator. The
guy doesn't understand that to conspire you must relate, and you are
incapable of anything even resembling a functional relationship.
>
> So the point being, if you are following why are you like the child I
> got to drag by the ear hollering all the way?
There is that delusion of dominance/leadership again, you are dreaming
that you are in control of the situation when you are utterly and
completely helpless to "do" anything about it.
> What is your bitch. And if you know
> all the below, then you know I said crime would go down what? Five
years
> ago. Well it's been going straight down. I mean it's going down 10%
a year
> now and picking up speed. Do you know what that means?
Yeah, it means crime statistics are trending down. I can find dozens of
people who've made similar predictions, but they're mentally stable
enough to know that *predicting is not the same as causing.* You have
stipulated a causal connection between yourself and statistical trends
that can't even be demonstrated, let alone proven. Btw, there's nothing
in the deja archives from five years ago with you predicting falling
crime rates, so it's up to you to provide proof that you ever made such
a prediction in the first place.
>
> Now I show you something. You say, you claim but you are just
jealous.
Jealously is not a factor in my activity. You have yet to explain why
*anyone* (short of a hobo living under a bridge) would be jealous of
you.
> When I said you were jealous you just jumped all over me with this
> below.
No I didn't, the post that I responded to did not cite me for jealousy
at all. Like most nutbags, you are confused and therefore ludicrously
inaccurate. Get professional help.
> I was saying this, and saying that, and you were putting the pervert
down in
> quotes. But I hit a nerve with you, (and I must be honest to the new
> people. This guy or woman is old news. I think this is Judi's older
> daughter or some friend or something. I believe this to be a woman
who is
> so jealous it's beyond belief)
Bzzzt, wrong again, oh dreaming rabbi ([c]2000 by "gj"). You couldn't
guess what time of day it was while staring at Big Ben, let alone know
who or what you were dealing with on Usenet. You are and always have
been completely clueless when it comes to those you perceive as
opposition.
> Now you are right, throw the logic, throw
> the whole thing. I tell you something only the FBI knows. They have
> experts that work with numbers and figures and trends and all that.
Crime
> is not just dropping down. With the increase of momentum, crime in
USA is
> cured. You couldn't stop crime from going down if you put all the
gold in
> Fort Knocks on the street and didn't guard it.
Crime happens every day. U.S. prisons are full to bursting, mostly with
harmless pot smokers and pitiful junkies. Even the most substantial
decrease in crime *rates* is not even close to the absence of crime,
which is what would have to occur before you could declare that "crime
in the USA is cured." The U.S. per-capita crime rate is still higher
than that of many other countries, does that mean that crime is "cured"
in those places? Of course not, you silly sod!
>
> Now who but a Master would know, what a whole staff at the FBI working
day
> and night can barely come to the conclusion of. That is why I say,
crime
> will go to zero. In reality it already has. Something in society is
> reinforcing all types of non-violence and gutting the greed and just
slowing
> down the big wheel of Karma. Something is reinforcing all the good
> qualities of Human nature. Something is overpowering all that is evil
> in the human spirit.
Something has warped your brain onto another Earth in another universe.
On this planet nothing of the sort is happening other than in your
mentally diseased consciousness. All that is happening is that crime
rates are trending down in inverse relationship to prosperity, as they
have ever since they've been compiling such statistics. The fundamental
conundrum of the human condition remains as it always has been, and it
cannot be solved by the delusional "buddhafield" (a term you didn't even
know until a well-meaning Christian mystic named Simmons gave you the
idea you had one when he recommended you get yours fixed) interventions
of an untreated mental patient.
>
> Too bad you guys didn't tape everything I do. I fought the devil for
three
> hours. It was a no contest. I was so prepared and I had done nothing
for
> him to feed on. Three hours and the Devil gave up. And the fucker
stabbed
> me right in the back. So I gave up. I just gave up and let him take
over
> my whole body and he had nothing to work with. He healed me and then
he
> couldn't even get me to run a red light. He said, "Fuck you." And I
> absorbed him. He didn't have a chance. He couldn't find a single
> woman that I had used or abused. Not one.
Well then, that makes "the Devil" a lousy investigator, since the local
cops had no trouble at all nailing you for assaulting a woman. You are
in constant denial of your own evil-doing, that is why you are so
obsessed with crime statistics. You are an inveterate misogynist in
denial, which is the reason for your compensatory so-called help to
battered women and your quasi-romantic, unrequited fantasies about
female celebrities and randomly chosen young girls who reject you for
the dirty old man you are. You are extremely mentally ill and in denial
of that too, which is why you fixate on the supposed mental deficiencies
of others. Your pattern is clearly one of guilt, denial, and delusion
-- to put that in religious terms, "the Devil" *won* and you're too
dreamily unconscious to even notice who the Executive Producer of The
Stephen Paul Vanier Show has been for all these years. Got get help,
get it now -- if not a shrink, perhaps an exorcist would help!
Light Touch
How's it feel to be skunked by the Master? And what can you say that isn't
a claim? What proof you offer? I offer that post as proof.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> How's it feel to be skunked by the Master?
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
I never even tried to skunk Atlas.
You can always tell when someone has been skunked... they stop
responding. They know that no matter what they say they are going to get
the shit kicked out of them. So they look for just any reason to stop
posting so that they don't have to come off looking like a retared
bi-polar asshole.
I skunked you to the point that you know better than to even respond to
one of my posts. So now the question is for you ***Fuckwit... How's it
feel to be skunked by the Master?
Heh heh heh heh. :)
--
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> When I was younger I ran with some pretty rough characters. I
> remember this one guy named Russ, I never had much to do with him
> because he was always mouthing off like some tough son-of-a-bitch,
> very much like you Allison, and I've always felt that guys like this
> were driven by some inner weakness, very much like you Allison.
> One time there was a party and Russ flicked me some little off-handed
> shit, and when I didn't drop a nut over it he got the mistaken idea
> that I was afraid of him.
> So a little later he really laid into me, even calling me out using
> every form of profanity known to biker & man. Now I had nothing
> against Russ, other than he was one of the lowest human beings around,
> and I had nothing I needed to prove so I let him have his day.
> But he mistook my so-what attitude as a fear of taking him on, and so
> at a later party old Russ hunted me up and begin tossing his
> compensating competitive bullshit all over the place, and then he
> pushed me down. I got up and told him straight up that I wasn't
> looking for trouble, but he was rushing on himself and thought he was
> in total control.
> With his first swing I caught his hand and snapped his wrist and then
> I busted his nose, and while he was on the ground I leaned over him
> and thumped my index finger on his forehead and said don't ever fuck
> with people Russ, it's not nice.
> Now maybe I was lucky that day or maybe not. But these days I don't
> rely on luck because I don't hang with the likes of Russ. Now you
> remind me of Russ, Allison, a mouthy little son-of-a-bitch. And maybe
> you need a good ass-kicking, or maybe you need a good lay, I don't
> know and I don't care because I'm not given either.
> You see, ass holes aren't worth the effort. They just go on being ass
> holes no matter what. And maybe that's what Light Touch has seen in
> you, that you're just a compensating competitive ass hole that's not
> worth the time of day so why respond.
> So maybe you haven't skunked anyone at all. Maybe no one outside your
> small circle of friends is interested in your caustic humor. Maybe
> what you've been saying isn't worth a response instead of you being
> the big bad ass kicker you like to project.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:
Mmmmmmm. Must have lightly touched a nerve. What's wrong Dirt, have a
bad day? You see the anger in your post. You see the jealousy in your
post. Dirt, you aren't angry with me, you are angry with yourself and
you are just using what I write to ***Fuckwit as an excuse to express
your anger! :)
Dirt, you are projecting yourself onto someone else because you can't
seem to face whatever it is in yourself that you are so angry about. It
is the mirror effect. Dirt, you see in my posts what you hate most in
yourself and that is what you are so angry about.
Have you got some inner conflicts that need resolving?
Get help Dirt. Maybe you could hitch a ride with ***Fuckwit :)
Heh heh heh heh.
Light Touch
shit. He was talk and talking and saying nothing but like your example just
shooting his mouth off, which means exactly nothing. I mean "Your mother
wears army boots" and claiming victory with such silly shit, and I wasn't
paying him any attention because he never gives you an example or anything to
talk about. You see these guys like Ray who claim to know the truth, but
they never tell you what the truth is, they just claim. Well the pervert is
like that so I never much bothered with him because he is such a non-event.
So one day he comes and starts talking about my son licking the ass of a
dog. Out of the clear blue. Now this is too sick of shit for me even to be
apart of. I mean I am never going to read another word the guy writes ever
because saying shit about me is ok, what the fuck do I care what people
think? But to talk like that about a child is just too sick to encourage.
dirt wrote:
> ~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
>
> >***SPV:
> >> How's it feel to be skunked by the Master?
> >
> >~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
> >I never even tried to skunk Atlas.
> >
> >You can always tell when someone has been skunked... they stop
> >responding. They know that no matter what they say they are going to get
> >the shit kicked out of them. So they look for just any reason to stop
> >posting so that they don't have to come off looking like a retared
> >bi-polar asshole.
> >
> >I skunked you to the point that you know better than to even respond to
> >one of my posts. So now the question is for you ***Fuckwit... How's it
> >feel to be skunked by the Master?
> >
dirt
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
>***SPV:
>> How's it feel to be skunked by the Master?
>
>~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
>I never even tried to skunk Atlas.
>
>You can always tell when someone has been skunked... they stop
>responding. They know that no matter what they say they are going to get
>the shit kicked out of them. So they look for just any reason to stop
>posting so that they don't have to come off looking like a retared
>bi-polar asshole.
>
>I skunked you to the point that you know better than to even respond to
>one of my posts. So now the question is for you ***Fuckwit... How's it
>feel to be skunked by the Master?
>
Atlas M. Schacter
Sure, in three words: there isn't any.
> What's it feel like?
I don't know, go ask someone who's jealous.
> How's it feel to be skunked by the Master?
I wouldn't know, because no such thing has occurred except in the
diseased brain of the nutcase who's dreaming he's "the Master." An
actual "Master," Mr. Allison's large and very healthy ego
notwithstanding, is not in attendence here.
> And what can you say that isn't a claim?
You're a deluded nutbag.
> What proof you offer?
Proof not required, liquid water is wet and you are a deluded nutbag,
both facts are entirely self evident.
> I offer that post as proof.
Of what, that you have no idea what the hell you're blathering on about?
In that case, "proof" accepted as such!
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> Dirt you know why I call him a pervert and won't read his
> shit. He was talk and talking and saying nothing but like your example just
> shooting his mouth off, which means exactly nothing. I mean "Your mother
> wears army boots" and claiming victory with such silly shit, and I wasn't
> paying him any attention because he never gives you an example or anything to
> talk about. You see these guys like Ray who claim to know the truth, but
> they never tell you what the truth is, they just claim. Well the pervert is
> like that so I never much bothered with him because he is such a non-event.
> So one day he comes and starts talking about my son licking the ass of a
> dog. Out of the clear blue. Now this is too sick of shit for me even to be
> apart of. I mean I am never going to read another word the guy writes ever
> because saying shit about me is ok, what the fuck do I care what people
> think? But to talk like that about a child is just too sick to encourage.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
Heh heh heh heh. :)
Light Touch
like but you know you are not jealous???? It's unconscious. It what makes
you attack me. I mean face it, why do you care what I say? I don't give a
shit what you say. You get all personal with me, beg me to go get help?
You know how stupid that sounds? I go to the doctor and say what? "Well
this woman on the newsgroup says I am sick but I feel ok, what do you think
doctor?"
So you don't know what jealousy feelings like and yet you know you are not
jealous. Why you think it's called the unconscious???? And this is the
hardest part to convince people they are being moved, motivated by
unconscious emotions, repressed emotions. And what does unconscious mean?
It means you are not aware of them. You can only see them by the fight, the
denial you put up. For example you see an angry person, just red faced and
angry and you go, "Boy you're pissed" and they go, "No I'm not!" They were
beet red in the face yet they will claim "No I'm not". And you when you go
off like a rocket and claim this and claim that and say I am bi-polar and
say I need help and list fifteen reasons why which have nothing to do with
highs and lows, like Carey would never want to be with an old man like me.
I mean that's just jealousy.
Light Touch
reason you do not know also. You see he and Judi have this relationship
going. And while Judi worked for me she used my computer to talk to him. So
the pervert is aware of certain facts that I called him on, called on him to
be honest and he won't do it. That means he a fucking liar and ain't nothing
worse than a fucking liar. If you know the truth, and a person calls on you
to verify the truth and you don't then you become the lie. The pervert is a
fucking liar and he knows it and I know it. Now why bother with someone that
can't face the truth? He's a fucking waste of bandwidth and a fucking waste
of human space. Why do am I so strong on this? Because if you know the
truth and can't face it or repeat it then you are worthless to me and the
truth. And I'll show you, "Hay pervert did you ever get a post from Judi
saying that the Gilroy Hells Angels would be taking a baseball bat to my legs
any day?" Did Judi ever brag about stealing my business and about having put
into the hospital. You see the pervert knows the truth but he won't say
because then he would have to lose a friend.
And think about it. Would you lose a friend or tell the truth? I wouldn't
even hesitate. I just tell the truth and let the cards fall where they lie.
I don't lie for anybody. I don't care if they go to jail or they get hung.
I don't lie. Period.
dirt wrote:
> Wrong Allison, I'm not angry, not even a little itty bitty bit. Life
> taught me long ago to recognize assholes, and the fact that I finger
> you out as an asshole doesn't automatically mean I am angry. But your
> reaction tells it all doesn't it.
>
> And I quote you "It is the mirror effect. Dirt, you see in my posts
> what you hate most in yourself and that is what you are so angry
> about."
>
> Wrong again Allison. You are no mirror, there is only the promoting
> of Allison's perspective in your response to me, nothing of me. But
> I don't think for a moment that you will see it any way other than
> YOUR way, after all, aren't you the magnificent expression of the
> megaloden itself?
>
> What you don't like is that someone is fucking up your vendetta
> against Light Touch. Dirt is saying that Light Touch is worth
> listening to, and you can't let this slide. So you must attack me to
> maintain your stance against him. And if this means that you must
> disparage people you don't even know as a means to maintain your
> assault the so be it. The mark of an asshole. But then maybe it's a
> little to early in the game to finalize such impressions. Time will
> tell.
>
> ~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> Wrong Allison, I'm not angry, not even a little itty bitty bit. Life
> taught me long ago to recognize assholes, and the fact that I finger
> you out as an asshole doesn't automatically mean I am angry. But your
> reaction tells it all doesn't it.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
Everything I said in my reply to you was a quote from ***fuckwit! :)
> And I quote you "It is the mirror effect. Dirt, you see in my posts
> what you hate most in yourself and that is what you are so angry
> about."
> Wrong again Allison. You are no mirror, there is only the promoting
> of Allison's perspective in your response to me, nothing of me. But
> I don't think for a moment that you will see it any way other than
> YOUR way, after all, aren't you the magnificent expression of the
> megaloden itself?
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
Everything I said in my reply to you was a quote from ***fuckwit! :)
> What you don't like is that someone is fucking up your vendetta
> against Light Touch. Dirt is saying that Light Touch is worth
> listening to, and you can't let this slide. So you must attack me to
> maintain your stance against him. And if this means that you must
> disparage people you don't even know as a means to maintain your
> assault the so be it. The mark of an asshole. But then maybe it's a
> little to early in the game to finalize such impressions. Time will
> tell.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
Everything I said in my reply to you was a quote from ***fuckwit! :)
Heh heh heh heh.
--
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> he a fucking liar and ain't nothing worse than a fucking liar.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ quotes ***Fuckwit:
***SPV:
... how many times do you have to hear the lesson. What
you say about others is true only about yourself.
Heh heh heh heh. :)
--
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> I came across this while doing searches in DejaNews. I am associated
> with the same movement that Charles Taze Russell was associated with,
> commonly called "Bible Students".
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
Hello Ronald R. Day,
Your reply to my post was a welcome respite to the usual bullshit that
goes on in this NG. Thanks for taking the time to reply thoughtfully.
reslight:
> It is a common error that many have presented that Russell started the
> Jehovah's Witnesses organization, for this is not true.
~~~AW~~~:
While you may term this to be a "common error", the Jehovah's Witnesses
of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Societies of New York and Pennsylvania
count C.T. Russell as the founder of their religion.
For you to discount this is like saying that although the Catholics say
Peter was the first pope, that he was not and that those who say he was
is making a similar common error. You will never convince the world's
Catholics that Peter was not the first pope, nor will you ever convince
the world's JWs that C.T. Russell was not the founder of the JWs.
And it really doesn't matter, as all this is but the "parsing" of
concepts. And hindsight is alway 20/20.
reslight:
> Russell did not start any religion at all, and never claimed such, nor
> was he ever a member of such an organization. The JW organization was
> formed after Russell's death by Joseph Rutherford.
~~~AW~~~:
J. Rutherford was C.T. Russell's hand picked successor.
There were a lot of things that J. Rutherford did with regards to the
JWs after C.T. Russell died that C.T. Russell didn't know about or in
which he did not participate. :)
There were also many things that Peter didn't know about or in which he
did not participate after he died with regards to the Catholic Church.
But that doesn't change the fact the the Catholics claim Peter as the
first pope, and the JWs count C.T. Russell as their founder.
reslight:
> Russell did not believe in such
> an organization, nor in the doctrines taught by Rutherford after
> Russell's death.
~~~AW~~~:
Peter did not believe in the Catholic Church either, nor in the doctrine
taught by it after his death.
Still, this doesn't change the fact that the Catholics still count Peter
as the first pope, and the JWs count C.T. Russell as their founder.
reslight:
> Most of the earlier Bible Students did not go along
> with Rutherford's new teachings and organization, and the Bible Student
> movement still exists today totally separate from the JW organization.
~~~AW~~~:
Most of the earlier Xtians did not go along with the Catholic Church,
and there still exists Xtians who too, are totally separate from the
Catholic Church. But this STILL does not keep the Catholic Church from
claiming Peter as the first pope, and the JWs from claiming C.T. Russell
as their founder.
It is obvious that the "Bible Student" movement is but a minor splinter
group in the overall scheme of things. A kind of "protestant" movement,
protesting what the JWs have become.
reslight:
> There is a great difference between the teachings of Russell and the
> JWs.
~~~AW~~~:
As there is a great difference between the teachings of Peter and what
eventually became the Catholic Church. Still Peter is the first pope of
what was later to become the Catholic Church, and C.T. Russell founded
what was later to become the JWs.
reslight:
> I don't know what in Russell's writings could be used to describe him
> as a "MindPrisonWarden" type, although I can see how one could describe
> Rutherford's leadership as such, since Rutherford had a tendency to
> condemn anyone who disagreed with him to the second death.
~~~AW~~~:
The mere fact that C.T. Russell appealed to the "MindPrisonHandbook"
(The Bible) for authority is reason enough to describe him as a
"MindPrisonWarden" type.
You see, The Bible is a Catholic publication. Sixty-six books chosen by
the Council of Nicea from over 6,000 books, in an effort by Constantine
to control the various warring religious factions of his empire.
If you use The Bible as an authority, you are an inmate of a
"MindPrison". If you believe in a "Father" God, you are an inmate of a
"MindPrison". The only way to keep from being an inmate of a
"MindPrison" is to free yourself from the influence of those instruments
of control.
It used to work on everyone, but now it only works on the ignorant and
the superstitious. Those who have any concept of the reality of the
Universe know better than to believe that patent blather. It is but the
writ used to influence the minds of humans to the point of enslaving
them for the purpose of controlling them.
Man is the only animal that believes that kind of thing. All other life
forms, from the virii to the whale harbor no illusions similar to the
dreck that humans are wont to accept.
reslight:
> There are some similarities between what Russell taught and the SDAs'
> belief, as is true with any other religious group. However, Russell was
> never associated with the SDAs, nor did he use Ellen White's books as a
> basis for any of his teachings.
~~~AW~~~:
The belief in the advent of the "Seventh Day" (a reference to the
Biblical Seven Days of Creation) WAS a part of C.T. Russell's
"MindPrison" system. That he didn't get the name: "Seventh Day
Adventists" copyrighted, has nothing to do with whether or not he was a
believer in the advent of the Seventh Day... He WAS!
Again what you are doing is parsing the situation with obfuscative
rhetoric hoping that no one here will see through it to recognize that
though you would like to compartmentize the various factions, negating
those to which you do not subscribe and positivizing those to which you
do subscribe, that there are really only two sides to this coin... The
side that you, the JWs, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians,
Episcopalians, the Mormons, Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, Shintoists,
etc., etc., are on which is the "MindPrison" side, and the "other" side:
"FreeReality".
reslight:
> Most of Russell's works are online:
> http://reslight.addr.com/towers/
> Just wanted to clarify these misconceptions.
~~~AW~~~:
I took a look at the referenced URLs. They are just various versions of
the "MindPrison" manuals that are put out by the various denominations
of "MindPrisons".
Neither you, nor any of your followers would have ever come to the
conclusions to which you subscribe, had you been left to your own
devices and understanding.
You have to let someone else decide for you what you believe. You have
let someone else, who has let someone else decide for him what he
believes, decide for you for what you believe. You would never have
drawn these conclusions from your own observation of your existence.
Still it is all pretty predictable. The superstitious, the credulous,
the inveterate "lifer" of the world's "MindPrisons" all have this
vulnerablity. It isn't easy to break free from the brainwashing of those
who put their "Control" philosophy on everyone before one comes to the
point where one can see what they are doing. They "program" little kids
to be inmates and end up with adults who believe that living in the
"MindPrison" is not only all there is, but that it is alright.
There might be different mythos, but there is only one methodology:
Convince someone that they are doing what is right (no matter how
absurd) and you have them under control and in bondage for the rest of
their lives.
None the less, I hope you are comfortable with what you have and what
you are. It isn't anywhere near what you could be, but as long as you
don't know that, it shouldn't cause you any concern or consternation.
Keep your head down, keep your nose in "The Book", continue believing
that it is going to result in some kind of reward that ranges from
"approval" to "salvation", from "forgiveness" to "everlasting life".
Whether or not it is all a delusion makes no difference... at least it
doesn't make a difference if you can't tell the difference.
The real shame is that what generally happens is that the living in a
"MindPrison" turns your one "real" life into but an eternal dress
rehearsal for a performance that will never happens. And then you die!
And that's it... no matter what you believe, have been taught, been
told, want to believe, hope for, etc. You die! And that's IT!
Anyway, I know that you probably won't agree with much that I have said,
for you do have a position that you have taken and to which you are
committed, and what I have said doesn't much fit into that scenario.
As Garfield said about the rooms of the motel chain for which he is the
spokescat: "I wouldn't change a thing!" If you are comfy in your
particular "MindPrison" don't even attempt to escape. After all, your
family and friends are there.
I broke out. What is left of my family is still in the JW "MindPrison".
All the "friends" that I had that were JWs are still in the JW
"MindPrison". God is there, along with all the holy men, saints,
masters, and I am not on their visitor's list.
So I get to go around on the outside doing whatever it is that I so
desire. Like I say: I'd rather be ME on the outside, than one of THEM on
the inside.
But I DO have one word for you... SOLIPSISM. (look it up!) If you'd like
to know more about THAT, let me know. If not...
Hope you are well. HAND AND MAKE IT WONDERSCANNED.
> Ronald R. Day
> Restoration Light
> http://reslight.addr.com/
resl...@earthlink.net
all...@livingston.net wrote:
> I don't know if you know who Charles Taze Russell was, but he was the
> guy who started that most fucked up of religions, the Jehovah's
> Witnesses.
> He was related (concept wise) to the Seventh Day Adventists.
>
> There was a whole bevy of those asshole MindPrisonWarden types that
came
> along about that time, and spawned the basis of many of the "cult"
type
> religions of today.
I came across this while doing searches in DejaNews. I am associated
with the same movement that Charles Taze Russell was associated with,
commonly called "Bible Students".
It is a common error that many have presented that Russell started the
Jehovah's Witnesses organization, for this is not true. Russell did not
start any religion at all, and never claimed such, nor was he ever a
member of such an organization. The JW organization was formed after
Russell's death by Joseph Rutherford. Russell did not believe in such
an organization, nor in the doctrines taught by Rutherford after
Russell's death. Most of the earlier Bible Students did not go along
with Rutherford's new teachings and organization, and the Bible Student
movement still exists today totally separate from the JW organization.
There is a great difference between the teachings of Russell and the
JWs.
I don't know what in Russell's writings could be used to describe him
as a "MindPrisonWarden" type, although I can see how one could describe
Rutherford's leadership as such, since Rutherford had a tendency to
condemn anyone who disagreed with him to the second death.
There are some similarities between what Russell taught and the SDAs'
belief, as is true with any other religious group. However, Russell was
never associated with the SDAs, nor did he use Ellen White's books as a
basis for any of his teachings.
Most of Russell's works are online:
http://reslight.addr.com/towers/
Just wanted to clarify these misconceptions.
Ronald R. Day
Restoration Light
http://reslight.addr.com/
dirt
taught me long ago to recognize assholes, and the fact that I finger
you out as an asshole doesn't automatically mean I am angry. But your
reaction tells it all doesn't it.
And I quote you "It is the mirror effect. Dirt, you see in my posts
what you hate most in yourself and that is what you are so angry
about."
Wrong again Allison. You are no mirror, there is only the promoting
of Allison's perspective in your response to me, nothing of me. But
I don't think for a moment that you will see it any way other than
YOUR way, after all, aren't you the magnificent expression of the
megaloden itself?
What you don't like is that someone is fucking up your vendetta
against Light Touch. Dirt is saying that Light Touch is worth
listening to, and you can't let this slide. So you must attack me to
maintain your stance against him. And if this means that you must
disparage people you don't even know as a means to maintain your
assault the so be it. The mark of an asshole. But then maybe it's a
little to early in the game to finalize such impressions. Time will
tell.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
>dirt wrote:
>seem to face whatever it is in yourself that you are so angry about. It
>is the mirror effect. Dirt, you see in my posts what you hate most in
>yourself and that is what you are so angry about.
>
>Have you got some inner conflicts that need resolving?
>
>Get help Dirt. Maybe you could hitch a ride with ***Fuckwit :)
>
>Heh heh heh heh.
lurchc19
>
> Wrong Allison, I'm not angry, not even a little itty bitty bit. Life
> taught me long ago to recognize assholes, and the fact that I finger
> you out as an asshole doesn't automatically mean I am angry. But your
> reaction tells it all doesn't it.
Wandering about lately as I commonly do, I have stumbled upon this
"field of dreams" Alas though this one appears to be laden with many
cow pies.You seem to defend our pal "OL BUTTFACE" as though he was
your husband!Are you possibly one of the late great neer do well people
of the legendary"CAUGHT WITH YOUR PANTS DOWN GANG"? All Stevie does is
repeat the sos he has posted(HEY BUTTFACE-SEE THE PAPERS? WORST FIRES
IN 50 YEARS!!!)I swear if I read one more "The Gilroy Hell's Angels" or
I never laid a hand on her, I'm gonna puke!! So we poke harmless fun at
him,but you seem annoyed?If you really like his bullshit, there is a
space for you in the magic dumpster in Boulder.
Atlas M. Schacter
Light Touch <spva...@uswest.net> wrote:
> ***********SPV.....You see the denial?
Yup -- as Madge the manicurist used to say on TV, "You're soaking in
it!"
> You don't know what jealousy feels
> like but you know you are not jealous????
Oh I can remember jealousy from when I was twenty-something, but I don't
feel it now and certainly never have concerning you. Clear enough?
>It's unconscious.
When referring to oneself, use the contraction "I'm" instead of "It's."
> It what makes you attack me.
Uh oh, you seem to be channeling the monster from "Young Frankenstein."
> I mean face it, why do you care what I say?
You are the enlightenment delusion poster boy, as such you are the
rightful concern of any and all with an interest the matter of
so-called enlightenment. I'm here (among several reasons) to make sure
nobody confuses your ilk of severe mental dysfunction with anything
resembling enlightenment.
> I don't give a shit what you say.
You're lying again, although I have no idea whether you know it or not.
> You get all personal with me, beg me to go get help?
Sure, when someone's in a sealed perceptual fortress of their own
making, communication requires extreme attention-getting tactics. They
seem to have worked.
> You know how stupid that sounds? I go to the doctor and say what?
"Well
> this woman on the newsgroup says I am sick but I feel ok, what do you
think doctor?"
I don't know "this woman on the newsgroup" from Adam, but of course you
know that's not how a shrink works. Just trot out your spiel about
being "Stephen Christ" and how you're responsible for falling crime
rates, the shrink will take it from there. It'll be alright, the
professionals know what to do for "extreme bipolar disorder with
pschotic features." They might even prescribe drugs, and we all know
how much you enjoy that stuff!
>
> So you don't know what jealousy feelings like and yet you know you are
> not jealous. Why you think it's called the unconscious????
No, "unconscious" is when you pretty much repeat the same stupid
statement twice in the same paragraph. I've already explained this
above in this reply.
> And this is the
> hardest part to convince people they are being moved, motivated by
> unconscious emotions, repressed emotions. And what does unconscious
mean?
> It means you are not aware of them. You can only see them by the
fight, the
> denial you put up. For example you see an angry person, just red
faced and
> angry and you go, "Boy you're pissed" and they go, "No I'm not!" They
were
> beet red in the face yet they will claim "No I'm not". And you when
you go
> off like a rocket and claim this and claim that and say I am bi-polar
and
> say I need help and list fifteen reasons why which have nothing to do
with
> highs and lows, like Carey would never want to be with an old man like
me.
> I mean that's just jealousy.
>
What utter compensatory bullcrap. How come you don't see how all this
applies so perfectly to yourself? Do you see your unconscious drive for
acceptance as "a Master" and how it permeates all your Usenet activity?
Do you see the choked-back rage at "Judi," "Brucie," and anyone else who
sees right though your delusional game? Of course you don't, and that's
an aspect of your untreated mental condition. The fact that "Carey"
doesn't want anything to do with you has nothing to do with "highs and
lows," it has to do with the fact that your condition is so extreme that
you find it possible to kid yourself into believing and stating that she
will visit you this summer as "a fact" even though whatever lucidity you
still have (if any) knows she isn't even close to being the slightest
bit interested in you. When summer is over I will re-post what you
wrote in this regard on the off chance a good whiff of the stench of
your own reeking bullshit might momentarily wake you up, perhaps long
enough to realize how badly you need professional help.
mbk3357
Profound, moving...WOW!
Michael Kinnaman
Fallbrook, CA
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~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> re:Bible Students response
> Profound, moving...WOW!
> Michael Kinnaman
> Fallbrook, CA
Dear Michael,
Thanks for the kind words. You wanted to know who in the NG was serious?
:)
Hope you are well.
Light Touch
your stature would stumble anywhere???? It's going out with a gal that just
useds and abuses you. She so good looking she just say, "Get off looking at my
face sucker." I mean these woman can be so mean they just cut the legs right
out from under the guy. Lurch you ever been in a fight with a whore with a
straight edge razor? You ever get into a fight with a doberman? I had german
shepards my whole life and my ex-wife had this doberman. I never was afraid of
a dog until I backhand that damn dog trying to eat off my plate. I just cuffed
that dog and I look down and that dog was sitting down, not attacking me at
all, but just a backhand and my hand need stitches. You understand?
Somethings are so vicious by nature just the cuff of the hand, and those teeth
are just twice the sharpness as a German shepard. I didn't know. Just a cuff
and I am cut like the dog attacked me.
Reslight
news:3990D6...@livingston.net...
> resl...@earthlink.net wrote:
> > I came across this while doing searches in DejaNews. I am associated
> > with the same movement that Charles Taze Russell was associated with,
> > commonly called "Bible Students".
>
> ~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
> Hello Ronald R. Day,
> Your reply to my post was a welcome respite to the usual bullshit that
> goes on in this NG. Thanks for taking the time to reply thoughtfully.
>
> reslight:
> > It is a common error that many have presented that Russell started the
> > Jehovah's Witnesses organization, for this is not true.
>
> ~~~AW~~~:
> While you may term this to be a "common error", the Jehovah's Witnesses
> of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Societies of New York and Pennsylvania
> count C.T. Russell as the founder of their religion.
While I am not sure that the JW leadership claim Russell as their founder,
the general concept is that Russell is the founder of the JW organization,
and many individual JWs state such.
> For you to discount this is like saying that although the Catholics say
> Peter was the first pope, that he was not and that those who say he was
> is making a similar common error. You will never convince the world's
> Catholics that Peter was not the first pope, nor will you ever convince
> the world's JWs that C.T. Russell was not the founder of the JWs.
Yes, precisely. The JWs claim Russell was in their organization (even though
the JW organization did not exist until after his death) even as the
Catholics claim Peter as their first pope.
> And it really doesn't matter, as all this is but the "parsing" of
> concepts. And hindsight is alway 20/20.
It is true that to most people this does not matter; it does matter to most
in the Bible Student movement, however. And it matters for the record of
truth.
> reslight:
> > Russell did not start any religion at all, and never claimed such, nor
> > was he ever a member of such an organization. The JW organization was
> > formed after Russell's death by Joseph Rutherford.
>
> ~~~AW~~~:
> J. Rutherford was C.T. Russell's hand picked successor.
On what do you base this idea?
I understand that the majority of the board of directors after Russell's
death wanted Paul Johnson to be president, but he refused and so Rutherford
was appointed president.
http://reslight.addr.com/REVIEWED.PDF
(Acrobat Reader needed)
Russell did recommend Rutherford as a member of the editorial committee,
along with four other brothers:
http://www.geocities.com/~biblestudents/abs/will.htm
Had the will been carried out, the WTB&TS could not have been used to form
the JW organization. Contrary to the trust of the Bible Students, Rutherford
did away with the editorial committee, disregarded the will of Russell,
dismissed the majority of the board, appointed to the board some who would
support his ideas, and through them had by-laws passed that in effect gave
him almost total control of the WTB&TS. This he did in total disregard to
Russell's will and to the trust which had been given to him by the
shareholders as a whole. However, the way he did this was so deceptive that
many of the shareholders were not truly aware of what was happening for many
years.
> There were a lot of things that J. Rutherford did with regards to the
> JWs after C.T. Russell died that C.T. Russell didn't know about or in
> which he did not participate. :)
>
> There were also many things that Peter didn't know about or in which he
> did not participate after he died with regards to the Catholic Church.
> But that doesn't change the fact the the Catholics claim Peter as the
> first pope, and the JWs count C.T. Russell as their founder.
Again, precisely. This is a good illustration of the point.
> reslight:
> > Russell did not believe in such
> > an organization, nor in the doctrines taught by Rutherford after
> > Russell's death.
>
> ~~~AW~~~:
> Peter did not believe in the Catholic Church either, nor in the doctrine
> taught by it after his death.
>
> Still, this doesn't change the fact that the Catholics still count Peter
> as the first pope, and the JWs count C.T. Russell as their founder.
I agree. However, I might point out that while many individual JWs claim
Russell as their founder, the leadership of the JW organization, as far as I
know, does not make such a claim, although they often refer the Russell's
time period as though there were a governing body and organization in
existence back then.
> reslight:
> > Most of the earlier Bible Students did not go along
> > with Rutherford's new teachings and organization, and the Bible Student
> > movement still exists today totally separate from the JW organization.
>
> ~~~AW~~~:
> Most of the earlier Xtians did not go along with the Catholic Church,
> and there still exists Xtians who too, are totally separate from the
> Catholic Church. But this STILL does not keep the Catholic Church from
> claiming Peter as the first pope, and the JWs from claiming C.T. Russell
> as their founder.
A good illustration.
> It is obvious that the "Bible Student" movement is but a minor splinter
> group in the overall scheme of things. A kind of "protestant" movement,
> protesting what the JWs have become.
Not quite the way most Bible Students would word it, but I understand what
you are saying.
> reslight:
> > There is a great difference between the teachings of Russell and the
> > JWs.
>
> ~~~AW~~~:
> As there is a great difference between the teachings of Peter and what
> eventually became the Catholic Church. Still Peter is the first pope of
> what was later to become the Catholic Church, and C.T. Russell founded
> what was later to become the JWs.
As viewed by many, yes; but not historically correct. Russell and some of
his associates did found the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, but only
as a service organization, not as a ruling organization.
> reslight:
> > I don't know what in Russell's writings could be used to describe him
> > as a "MindPrisonWarden" type, although I can see how one could describe
> > Rutherford's leadership as such, since Rutherford had a tendency to
> > condemn anyone who disagreed with him to the second death.
>
> ~~~AW~~~:
> The mere fact that C.T. Russell appealed to the "MindPrisonHandbook"
> (The Bible) for authority is reason enough to describe him as a
> "MindPrisonWarden" type.
This, of course, is a matter of opinion. To Bible Students, a proper
understanding of the Bible brings the greatest freedom, for through it we
obtain knowledge of why things are the way they are, and how all the present
evil will eventually work to bring praise to God and blessings to the entire
world.
See:
http://reslight.addr.com/l-evil.html
> You see, The Bible is a Catholic publication.
The Catholic Church did not write the Bible as the Catholic Church was
actually formed *after* the Bible was written. Indeed, most of the Bible was
written before Christ came.
> Sixty-six books chosen by
> the Council of Nicea from over 6,000 books, in an effort by Constantine
> to control the various warring religious factions of his empire.
I think you mean the Council of Trent (1546 CE) and not the Council of Nicea
(325 CE). The Catholic Church in the council of Trent certainly did not
create the sixty-six books (nor do I think this is what you mean). By 200 CE
there was general agreement by the major Christian communities on the core
of our New Testament canon: the four Gospels, Acts, Paul's epistles, 1
Peter, and 1 John. By the late fourth century, the twenty-seven books we now
have had been generally accepted, with Revelation the last and most
controversial.
http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/canonselect.html
> If you use The Bible as an authority, you are an inmate of a
> "MindPrison". If you believe in a "Father" God, you are an inmate of a
> "MindPrison". The only way to keep from being an inmate of a
> "MindPrison" is to free yourself from the influence of those instruments
> of control.
We are all to some extent in a "mindprision" as you put as we are limited by
our environment in knowledge and perception. To me and probably almost all
Bible Students, the Bible is the greatest illuminator to expand the "prison"
of our minds.
> It used to work on everyone, but now it only works on the ignorant and
> the superstitious.
By everyone, I am supposing you mean "everyone" in the so-called Christian
tradition. I agree that many have used and exploited the Bible for misguided
and selfish purposes of power, greed and deception. The Bible itself tells
us that this would be so.
The one deceiving the entire world is identified in the Bible as Satan the
Devil. -- Revelation 12:9.
> reslight:
> > There are some similarities between what Russell taught and the SDAs'
> > belief, as is true with any other religious group. However, Russell was
> > never associated with the SDAs, nor did he use Ellen White's books as a
> > basis for any of his teachings.
>
> ~~~AW~~~:
> The belief in the advent of the "Seventh Day" (a reference to the
> Biblical Seven Days of Creation) WAS a part of C.T. Russell's
> "MindPrison" system.
It appears to me that you are confusing two different concepts, but to
unravel the confusion would take more time than I have to give to this at
the present time.
> That he didn't get the name: "Seventh Day
> Adventists" copyrighted, has nothing to do with whether or not he was a
> believer in the advent of the Seventh Day... He WAS!
The Seventh-Day Adventist church believes in keeping sundown Friday to
sundown Saturday as the holy day as commanded in the Israelites in the OT;
they also believe we are in the "time of the end" similarly to other
adventist groups, and which I also believe. I am not sure that in the name
"Seventh-Day Adventists" that they mean the advent of the Seventh Day, but
as it was explained to me once it means they keep the seventh day of the
week holy. However, Brother Russell *did* teach that the seventh 1,000 years
since Adam's fall began in 1874, and although I have never heard anyone
speak of it terms of the advent of the seventh day, I can see how one could
so regard it.
In the rest of your post, You make a lot of statements and generalizations
which I feel are unwarranted. But in due time you will understand, as God
will have all understand.
http://reslight.addr.com/understanding.html
> I broke out. What is left of my family is still in the JW "MindPrison".
> All the "friends" that I had that were JWs are still in the JW
> "MindPrison". God is there, along with all the holy men, saints,
> masters, and I am not on their visitor's list.
I also was once in the JW organization. I thank God that I have been freed
from that system.
http://reslight.addr.com/l-jws.html
May God bless.
Light Touch
How many times I got to tell you it's unconscious. What do you think that
means? When you are acting jealous and you can't feel the jealousy that
means it is unconscious. It's your ego controlling you. Why else would you
just go on and on about all these things you think about me? I certainly
don't give a shit what you think, and you have read the others. All you
have is the pervert and Judi and the rest have been around long enough to
know you are on the losing end of the stick. It's like when I say, "The
bi-polar is judi just lying again, and to prove it show us the report you
read that says I am diagnosed bi-polar." And what can you do, you are
operating on rumor. This shows you are asleep because only a fool makes a
big deal out of a liar's rumor. And everyone knows Judi is a habitual
liar. Everyone. Her ex-husbands and her friends know she lies constantly.
So there you have it. You are making a big deal out of just totally stupid
shit which makes you look stupid. Take for example when I have a summer
head cold and I am honest about it say, "I don't feel well." And you go on
and on about how I am at the bottom of my bi-polar phase and you begged me
to seek immediate help. Now don't you look a bit stupid here? Think about
it.
And notice I am giving you examples of your sleep, your actions are jealous
because why give a shit? You care because you are jealous and don't know
what to do with these feelings you don't want to feel. You chief feature is
jealousy. You need to feel before you act. Otherwise why would you give a
shit. And for another example, how many other people are begging me to seek
help for a bi-polar phase when I have a head cold????
"Atlas M. Schacter" wrote:
> In article <398FAEC6...@uswest.net>,
Light Touch
This guy lost his legs in a car wreak and then he is telling me how asleep he
is so about two months or more ago he goes out with a car falls to sleep at
the wheel and totals the car. Then he is so stupid he is saying that he
stumbles onto these posts. A man of his stature is stumbling anywhere as far
as I can see. Then he has these two idiot friends. One is a closet pervert
that really insulted my son, my little baby boy. And the other is a
pathological liar. So of course he says if he hears about his friends and
the truth he wants to puke. If I had friends like that hearing about them
would make me puke too.
dirt wrote:
> Are you a mess or what lurchc19? And here's why I ask this.
>
> First thing, you're sending messages to Light Touch in the middle of a
> note to me, and this suggests you're writing to your own sense of
> showmanship before an audience and not to me, which gives the
> impression that you aren't very mature. If you want to say something
> to Light Touch then post to him directly.
>
> Second thing, when you call Light Touch 'ol buttface' you think you
> are degrading him in some humorous fashion but really you are only
> showing your immaturity. Two immaturity strikes in a row, this is not
> good.
>
> Third thing, when you suggest I am defending Light Touch you are
> casting me as a potential enemy of the comic regime, and this tells me
> you are immature and that you think in adolecent ways. Again a strike
> against maturity.
>
> Now in baseball, and the California judiicial system, you get three
> strikes then you're out. Fortunately, this isn't baseball nor
> California so I can continue.
>
> And lastly there is your notion that you, Allison, and the others of
> similar ilk, are just having a form of harmless fun. And this is the
> deepest strike against your maturity because.. well, look at it
> yourself and see how it does nothing to increase your maturity and it
> does nothing to decrease any delusion that might exist in either Light
> Touch or yourself.
>
> Now I will watch for your response. And if it is as immature as your
> post below, then I will show you how to deal in an adult manner with
> those who are not deserving of your further attention. And I will do
> this because we are both living beings making our way in an insane
> world that has nothing better to do than create mischief as a means of
> escaping responsibility in the name of harmless humor.
>
> Yes, I wish I could say things better but such are my limitations.
> Anyway, best wishes in life to you lurchc19.
>
> lurchc19 wrote:*****
lurchc19
>
> ************SPV......You setting me up Lurch????
Now Stevie, would I try and set you up? Has someone tried to influence
your Kharma? Perish the thought.Maybe your new student(DIRT) is trying
to find a weakness in your defense.Beware of those Judas types.
I wouldn't think a person of
> your stature would stumble anywhere????
True,True,True, I try and sit tall as I can everyday. I've lost a few
pounds of late(not much call for cannonball catching right now)So it is
easier to sit erect.
It's going out with a gal that just
> useds and abuses you. She so good looking she just say, "Get off looking at my
> face sucker." I mean these woman can be so mean they just cut the legs right
> out from under the guy
Actually I find that peculiar cross section of the female species a bit
too much for an enjoyable night on the town.I enjoy a woman with tattoos
if you want to know the truth.
. Lurch you ever been in a fight with a whore with a
> straight edge razor?
No, I usually pay only for straight sex(non-kinkus mentus)
You ever get into a fight with a doberman?
No but I had an 125 lb. "RED" Doby as a pet for 11 years.His name was
"GACHO" which is Spanish for "NASTY" After he was 5 years old, he dev
eloped a passion for fighting PIT BULLS.He was a true champion!
I had german
> shepards my whole life and my ex-wife had this doberman. I never was afraid of
> a dog until I backhand that damn dog trying to eat off my plate.
You should'nt be eating on the floor.
I just cuffed
> that dog and I look down and that dog was sitting down, not attacking me at
> all, but just a backhand and my hand need stitches.
He was setting you up for the dreaded"Behind the neck grab" that they
are famous for.Lucky you!!!
You understand?
You???
> Somethings are so vicious by nature just the cuff of the hand, and those teeth
> are just twice the sharpness as a German shepard. I didn't know. Just a cuff
> and I am cut like the dog attacked me.
You should be thankful the dog did'nt hate you(a lesson learned,no?)
lurchc19
>
> Are you a mess or what lurchc19?
NO? are you dirt?(If so please explain what type of mess you are and
how you ended up that way,please.) But first let me introduce myself,
I am lurchc19, self proclaimed and honored "Dumbest on the internet" I
am a member of the legendary "Dream Team" of alt. solipsism fame.WE do
enjoy engaging people in sometime rather spirited "conversations" of
mostly non-sensical banter(RIGHT BUTTFACE?)but at times we all can be
rather intelligent in our correspondence.
Some people misinterpret what we are trying to express as humor,
as actual hatred and disgust.Read some of your "Buddy's" past posts and
see for yourself.
And here's why I ask this.
>
> First thing, you're sending messages to Light Touch in the middle of a
> note to me, and this suggests you're writing to your own sense of
> showmanship before an audience and not to me, which gives the
> impression that you aren't very mature.
Now dirt,in case you have'nt heard, lots of peple can read whatever is
posted.How many people do you think have read that last post of yours?
I do not care to impress anyone,especially you(WHO are you?)
Maturity is a vague term to a person like you,how old are you,what
life experiences can you relate to? Enlighten us please.
If you want to say something
> to Light Touch then post to him directly.
I have, research before you put your foot in your mouth.
>
> Second thing, when you call Light Touch 'ol buttface' you think you
> are degrading him in some humorous fashion but really you are only
> showing your immaturity. Two immaturity strikes in a row, this is not
> good.
Check the call ump one Ball, one strike(EVER SEEN A PICTURE OF HIM)
>
> Third thing, when you suggest I am defending Light Touch you are
> casting me as a potential enemy of the comic regime,
An assumption you and only you made.Why are you so defensive dirt?Did
I hit a nerve?No one is an enemy here-learn it live it get on with it!
You seem to be very judgemental in your feelings,why so? I wish our old
friend Grrr was here, he'd set you straight!
and this tells me
> you are immature and that you think in adolecent ways.
Like you comprehend anything at all, DO YOU LIVE IN A DUMPSTER ALSO?
Again a strike
> against maturity.
mAYBE YOU'LL GET TO BAT SOON.
>
> Now in baseball, and the California judiicial system, you get three
> strikes then you're out. Fortunately, this isn't baseball nor
> California so I can continue.
>
> And lastly there is your notion that you, Allison, and the others of
> similar ilk, are just having a form of harmless fun. And this is the
> deepest strike against your maturity because.. well, look at it
> yourself and see how it does nothing to increase your maturity and it
> does nothing to decrease any delusion that might exist in either Light
> Touch or yourself.
I don't need my maturity increased right now,I am not delusional,but
Ol' BUTTFACE, now there's a work in progress,go with him the next time
he wants to drive a car to europe.
>
> Now I will watch for your response. And if it is as immature as your
> post below, then I will show you how to deal in an adult manner with
> those who are not deserving of your further attention. And I will do
> this because we are both living beings making our way in an insane
> world that has nothing better to do than create mischief as a means of
> escaping responsibility in the name of harmless humor.
YADA YADA YADA YADA YADA YADA YADA(are you kin to ERIC the terrible?)
>
> Yes, I wish I could say things better but such are my limitations.
> Anyway, best wishes in life to you lurchc19.
>
> lurchc19 wrote:*****
>
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> While I am not sure that the JW leadership claim Russell as their founder,
> the general concept is that Russell is the founder of the JW organization,
> and many individual JWs state such.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
Since it was in 1967 that I was "kicked out/set free" (disfellowshipped
for Heresy, Apostasy and Blasphemy) of the JW "Mind Prison", I cannot
say what the most recent party line on this is, but I can tell you that
while I was incarcerated as an inmate in good standing, bound by the
shackles forged of the "Chains of Scripture"... that the "Faithful and
Discreet Slave" (that's what they call the guys who decide what they
will print in the Watchtower publications and which you MUST believe if
you are to continue to be a prisoner in good standing of their
brainwash) taught explicitly that Charles Taze Russell WAS the founder
of the Jehovah's Witnesses.
He was claimed to be one of the "Remnant" (that's what they called the
remaining number of those who were the 144,000 humans who comprised the
"Bride of Christ" and who were going to go to "Heaven") and that he was
Jehovah's chosen servant, charged with the implementation of the
preaching of the "good News" (Gospel) of the "Kingdom of Jehovah" as a
witness to the nations, just before the "End of the World" happened at
"The Battle of the Great Day of God the Almighty", Armageddon.
~~~AW~~~:
> > For you to discount this is like saying that although the Catholics say
> > Peter was the first pope, that he was not and that those who say he was
> > is making a similar common error. You will never convince the world's
> > Catholics that Peter was not the first pope, nor will you ever convince
> > the world's JWs that C.T. Russell was not the founder of the JWs.
Reslight wrote:
> Yes, precisely. The JWs claim Russell was in their organization (even though
> the JW organization did not exist until after his death) even as the
> Catholics claim Peter as their first pope.
~~~AW~~~:
Yet after the fact (the 20/20 hindsight) you are claiming that because
he wasn't around to participate after his death, that he had nothing to
do with them. In fact he would have been opposed to what they did had he
been there. Pretty presumputous wouldn't you say?
~~~AW~~~:
> > And it really doesn't matter, as all this is but the "parsing" of
> > concepts. And hindsight is alway 20/20.
Reslight wrote:
> It is true that to most people this does not matter; it does matter to most
> in the Bible Student movement, however. And it matters for the record of
> truth.
~~~AW~~~:
You are rewriting history to suit your own purposes, warden!
reslight:
> > > Russell did not start any religion at all, and never claimed such, nor
> > > was he ever a member of such an organization. The JW organization was
> > > formed after Russell's death by Joseph Rutherford.
~~~AW~~~:
> > J. Rutherford was C.T. Russell's hand picked successor.
Reslight wrote:
> On what do you base this idea?
~~~AW~~~:
The "fait accompli" that C.T. Russell claim to be an instrument of
Jehovah, and that what he started was guided by the "hand of Jehovah"
and the subsequent fact the "Judge" Joseph Rutherford succeeded C.T.
Russell.
Now if one wants to logically reason this out... If what C.T. Russell
did was at the hand of Jehovah, then what happened after he died was
also at the hand of Jehovah... OR if what happened after he died was not
at the Hand of Jehovah, then what happend before he died was also NOT at
the hand of Jehovah. Either way, what you are claiming becomes a moot
point.
What you are doing is an "ex post facto" parsing of the situation. 20/20
hindsight.
Reslight wrote:
> I understand that the majority of the board of directors after Russell's
> death wanted Paul Johnson to be president, but he refused and so Rutherford
> was appointed president.
> http://reslight.addr.com/REVIEWED.PDF
> (Acrobat Reader needed)
~~~AW~~~:
All the political maneuvering that took place was no better than the
Dems, the GOP, the Reformers, or Libertarians. It was political and not
"theocratic" as the religion "MindPrisonWardens" would have you believe.
BTW, it was all pretty lucrative and has become only more so as the
WTB&TS has grown to become the largest printing and publishing
organization in the world.
Reslight wrote:
> Russell did recommend Rutherford as a member of the editorial committee,
> along with four other brothers:
> http://www.geocities.com/~biblestudents/abs/will.htm
~~~AW~~~:
Either C.T. Russell's will was the "will of Jehovah" and it was
thwarted, at which time Jehovah was impotent to enforce his will on the
situation... Or it C.T. Russell's will was not the "will of Jehovah" and
Jehovah rejected C.T. Russell's wishes. Either way it doesn't bode well
for the "Bible Student's" attempt to distance themselves from the JWs by
separating C.T. Russell from his part in the JW thingie. Russell was
part of it no matter how much you want to make believe he was not.
Reslight wrote:
> Had the will been carried out, the WTB&TS could not have been used to form
> the JW organization.
~~~AW~~~:
If what you say is true, then it apparently was NOT carried out, and the
WTB&TS WAS used to form the JWs. Them's the facts!
Reslight wrote:
> Contrary to the trust of the Bible Students, Rutherford
> did away with the editorial committee, disregarded the will of Russell,
> dismissed the majority of the board, appointed to the board some who would
> support his ideas, and through them had by-laws passed that in effect gave
> him almost total control of the WTB&TS. This he did in total disregard to
> Russell's will and to the trust which had been given to him by the
> shareholders as a whole.
~~~AW~~~:
And the JWs claim that all that was done at the Direction of Jehovah!
Now logically, if this is true then C.T. Russell was at odds with
Jehovah! and looking at the two organizations today... is like comparing
Studebaker and Ford! One is a highly successful international
organization, the other is a struggling little group in a third world
country (Argentina) stuck with manufacturing the 1958 Lark year after
year.
Reslight wrote:
> However, the way he did this was so deceptive that many of the shareholders were
> not truly aware of what was happening for many years.
~~~AW~~~:
It sounds to me that you have your money on an also ran. The C.T.
Russellites weren't able to keep up and got left behind and now it's
sour grape time.
~~~AW~~~:
> > There were a lot of things that J. Rutherford did with regards to the
> > JWs after C.T. Russell died that C.T. Russell didn't know about or in
> > which he did not participate. :)
> > There were also many things that Peter didn't know about or in which he
> > did not participate after he died with regards to the Catholic Church.
> > But that doesn't change the fact the the Catholics claim Peter as the
> > first pope, and the JWs count C.T. Russell as their founder.
Reslight wrote:
> Again, precisely. This is a good illustration of the point.
~~~AW~~~:
Again, it sounds to me that you have your money on an also ran. The C.T.
Russellites weren't able to keep up and got left behind and now it's
sour grape time.
reslight:
> > > Russell did not believe in such
> > > an organization, nor in the doctrines taught by Rutherford after
> > > Russell's death.
~~~AW~~~:
> > Peter did not believe in the Catholic Church either, nor in the doctrine
> > taught by it after his death.
> > Still, this doesn't change the fact that the Catholics still count Peter
> > as the first pope, and the JWs count C.T. Russell as their founder.
reslight:
> I agree. However, I might point out that while many individual JWs claim
> Russell as their founder, the leadership of the JW organization, as far as I
> know, does not make such a claim, although they often refer the Russell's
> time period as though there were a governing body and organization in
> existence back then.
~~~AW~~~:
No matter how you parse it... The JWs started with C.T. Russell. To
claim otherwise, for whatever reason, to whatever end is folly. I know
that you are just trying to distance yourself from the JWs, but if one
would liken them to a snake, then what you are saying is that the head
of the snake has no relation to the tail of the snake. It just doesn't
compute. Simply again, no matter how you parse it, C.T. Russell was the
sperm from which grew the abortion that is the JWs.
reslight:
> > > Most of the earlier Bible Students did not go along
> > > with Rutherford's new teachings and organization, and the Bible Student
> > > movement still exists today totally separate from the JW organization.
~~~AW~~~:
> > Most of the earlier Xtians did not go along with the Catholic Church,
> > and there still exists Xtians who too, are totally separate from the
> > Catholic Church. But this STILL does not keep the Catholic Church from
> > claiming Peter as the first pope, and the JWs from claiming C.T. Russell
> > as their founder.
reslight:
> A good illustration.
~~~AW~~~:
And the early Xtians were losers, and in the world of MindPrisons, the
Catholic Church is a winner. The same goes for the dichotomy that is the
Russellites and the JWs.
~~~AW~~~:
> > It is obvious that the "Bible Student" movement is but a minor splinter
> > group in the overall scheme of things. A kind of "protestant" movement,
> > protesting what the JWs have become.
reslight:
> Not quite the way most Bible Students would word it, but I understand what
> you are saying.
~~~AW~~~:
Whether or not they would admit such a thing, if you think about it is
the same relationship that "Protestantism" has to "Catholicism". But the
point that I have been making all along is that there isn't a dime's
worth of difference between the "Mind Prison" of Protestantism and the
"Mind Prison" of Catholicism. And consequently there is not a dime's
worth of difference between the "Mind Prison" of the Bible Students and
the "Mind Prison" of the Jehovah's Witnesses. You can't just paint the
prison a different color and nullify the fact that it is still a "Mind
Prison".
reslight:
> > > There is a great difference between the teachings of Russell and the
> > > JWs.
~~~AW~~~:
> > As there is a great difference between the teachings of Peter and what
> > eventually became the Catholic Church. Still Peter is the first pope of
> > what was later to become the Catholic Church, and C.T. Russell founded
> > what was later to become the JWs.
reslight:
> As viewed by many, yes; but not historically correct. Russell and some of
> his associates did found the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, but only
> as a service organization, not as a ruling organization.
~~~AW~~~:
Service Organization, or Ruling Organization. Just different colored
walls.
And if it WAS at the hand of Jehovah, then what it has become is God's
will. Only if it was NOT at the hand of Jehovah is what you are saying
valid... but if what you are saying is valid, then C.T. Russell was not
a servant of Jehovah! Either way, you are on the short end of the stick.
Tough position, but then again, the JWs did program you to have a martyr
complex. JWs love to walk in chains, and God loves to forsake them!
(BTW, that is a paraphrase of a line in an Incredible String Band song
which originally went: "Priests love to walk in chains and God loves to
forsake them.").
reslight:
> > > I don't know what in Russell's writings could be used to describe him
> > > as a "MindPrisonWarden" type, although I can see how one could describe
> > > Rutherford's leadership as such, since Rutherford had a tendency to
> > > condemn anyone who disagreed with him to the second death.
~~~AW~~~:
> > The mere fact that C.T. Russell appealed to the "MindPrisonHandbook"
> > (The Bible) for authority is reason enough to describe him as a
> > "MindPrisonWarden" type.
reslight:
> This, of course, is a matter of opinion. To Bible Students, a proper
> understanding of the Bible brings the greatest freedom,
~~~AW~~~:
Yep! Convince anyone that a certain brand of slavery is "freedom" and
you will have a happy slave. That is until they find out that the cute
little pastel colored chains that bind them are just as effective at
controlling them and keeping them enslaved as are the old heavy Grey
one. A chain, whether of gold or iron is still a chain!
You do know that in the Bible, it says when you have done all that
Jehovah wants you to do that you should remember that you are nothing
but "a good for nothing slave". I'll quote chapter and verse if you
request.
reslight:
> for through it we obtain knowledge of why things are the way they are, and how
> all the present evil will eventually work to bring praise to God and blessings to
> the entire world.
> See:
> http://reslight.addr.com/l-evil.html
~~~AW~~~:
Yep. Typical Fundy Mind Prison Brainwash, and might I add patently
Bullshit-ish!
First off, the Bible hasn't a clue as to why things are the way they
are. It was written by a bunch of camel jockies who were laboring under
the delusion that the Earth was the center of the Universe and that
there was a God.
Secondly, for you to claim that evil will eventually bring praise to God
and blessings to the world is as absurd as ***Fuckwit (Stephen Paul
Vanier, our NG's resident delusionary) saying that he is responsible for
the drop in the crime rate as reported by the FBI and that he influences
the weather to put out forest fires.
~~~AW~~~:
> > You see, The Bible is a Catholic publication.
reslight:
> The Catholic Church did not write the Bible as the Catholic Church was
> actually formed *after* the Bible was written. Indeed, most of the Bible was
> written before Christ came.
~~~AW~~~:
But the Catholic Church DID choose which of the "holy" writings would be
used as the MindPrison handbook, and they didn't let the other 5,934
writings be published.
And you are using the 66 that the CC decided that they would let you
use. Did you know that in the other books that you were/are not allowed,
that there were over thirty virgin births and Jesus' virgin birth was in
the last 1/3 of them. That means that there were at least twenty virgin
births before Jesus'?
> I think you mean the Council of Trent (1546 CE) and not the Council of Nicea
> (325 CE). The Catholic Church in the council of Trent certainly did not
> create the sixty-six books (nor do I think this is what you mean).
~~~AW~~~:
I used the Council of Nicea in 325 as the beginning of the whole
Biblical Mind Prison situation called the Catholic Church.
And while it is true that the Catholics didn't create any one of the
books, they did compile them into one collection and that collection
survives to this day, the single biggest promotion... authorized by
governments to keep the people docile, passive, imprisoned, and in
slavery. They promote the idea that it is somehow efficacious to be like
a "sheep", like Jesus said: "I have other sheep that are not of this
fold." He likened himself to a shepherd. But the thing that you have to
remember is that a shepherd has only two things in mind when it comes to
his sheep... The wool that he can fleece them of and the money that he
can get by selling them for slaughter. That he takes care of them is not
for the love of the sheep!
reslight:
> By 200 CE there was general agreement by the major Christian communities on the
> core of our New Testament canon: the four Gospels, Acts, Paul's epistles, 1
> Peter, and 1 John. By the late fourth century, the twenty-seven books we now
> have had been generally accepted, with Revelation the last and most
> controversial. > http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/canonselect.html
~~~AW~~~:
None of this does anything to lessen the fact that all that was
happening is that the inmates of the MindPrison were slowly growing
their prisoner's handbook. The fact that the "MindPrisonHandbook gained
wide acceptance doesn't change the fact that it is STILL a
MindPrisonHandbook.
~~~AW~~~:
> > If you use The Bible as an authority, you are an inmate of a
> > "MindPrison". If you believe in a "Father" God, you are an inmate of a
> > "MindPrison". The only way to keep from being an inmate of a
> > "MindPrison" is to free yourself from the influence of those instruments
> > of control.
reslight:
> We are all to some extent in a "mindprision" as you put as we are limited by
> our environment in knowledge and perception. To me and probably almost all
> Bible Students, the Bible is the greatest illuminator to expand the "prison"
> of our minds.
~~~AW~~~:
It has taught you everything you know and you are still clueless! As
long as you want to accept an out of date, camel jocky explanation of
reality, you will have an out of date, camel jocky reality. If you must
appeal to some written authority, get into quantum math and physics. Ten
thousands years from now, it too will be out of date, but for now it is
the cutting edge of our present knowledge. And it is NOT a prisoner's
handbook.
~~~AW~~~
> > It used to work on everyone, but now it only works on the ignorant and
> > the superstitious.
reslight:
> By everyone, I am supposing you mean "everyone" in the so-called Christian
> tradition. I agree that many have used and exploited the Bible for misguided
> and selfish purposes of power, greed and deception. The Bible itself tells
> us that this would be so.
~~~AW~~~:
No. I mean EVERYONE in the "MindPrison" tradition: The Xtians have the
Hebrew scriptures and the Christian Greek Scriptures; The Hindus have
the Bhagavad Gita, and the Mahabharata; the Jews have the Torah and the
Kabbalah; The Islams have the Quaran; Scientology has Dianetics; and the
list goes on and on.
Every time someone wants to become a Warden of a MindPrison, he picks
out a set of writings (like you have picked the writings of C.T.
Russell) and then embarks on a campaign to convince those who are in
some way deficient enough to be able to be convinced that whatever
boundaries that whomever's writings are being used are good to observe.
Immediately the "believers" become limited by those boundaries and
viola' they are now controllable because they can't get away without
stepping over the boundaries. Viola'!!! Instant MindPrisoner.
reslight:
> The one deceiving the entire world is identified in the Bible as Satan the
> Devil. -- Revelation 12:9.
~~~AW~~~:
Yep. The infamous other half of the Original GoodGuy/BadGuy shuck.
Give me a break, (John Stossel) Ron!
No one with half an ounce of intelligence believes that old
superstitious saw anymore. It is just so patently absurd that to invoke
the devil immediately identifies one as a MindPrisonAddict.
Did you know that C.T. Russell believed that the Universe is less than
49,000 years old? C'mon Ron... the fact that you know how to use a
computer tells me that you have some amount of intelligence. Don't go
blowing my illusion by trying to conjure up "evil spirit creatures".
That may have worked on the early camel jocky MindPrisoners, but it
doesn't wash any more. Don't be such a fundy!
reslight:
> > > There are some similarities between what Russell taught and the SDAs'
> > > belief, as is true with any other religious group. However, Russell was
> > > never associated with the SDAs, nor did he use Ellen White's books as a
> > > basis for any of his teachings.
~~~AW~~~:
> > The belief in the advent of the "Seventh Day" (a reference to the
> > Biblical Seven Days of Creation) WAS a part of C.T. Russell's
> > "MindPrison" system.
reslight:
> It appears to me that you are confusing two different concepts, but to
> unravel the confusion would take more time than I have to give to this at
> the present time.
~~~AW~~~:
I know, it might get to be time for lights out in your cell block, or
maybe it would get to be time for count, or mess. Too, I might not want
to spend too much time talking through the fence that keeps you
prisoner. I might just have the urge to wander off across the wide open
spaces... You know, like "Don't fence me in!" :)
~~~AW~~~:
> > That he didn't get the name: "Seventh Day
> > Adventists" copyrighted, has nothing to do with whether or not he was a
> > believer in the advent of the Seventh Day... He WAS!
reslight:
> The Seventh-Day Adventist church believes in keeping sundown Friday to
> sundown Saturday as the holy day as commanded in the Israelites in the OT;
~~~AW~~~:
That is not what is meant by SDA. They believe in the Advent of the
Seventh Creative Day.
C.T. Russell believed in the Biblical "Account of Creation". The
"Creative Days" were, he said, 7,000 years long. He believed that
Jehovah spent six creative days of 7,000 years each to do all the
wonders that science now says has taken 18,000,000,000 (eighteen
billion) years. But you see back then, the camel jockies had no clue
about such things. So they said that God told them this. Now either God
was lying or the camel jockies were lying.
That means that C.T. Russell believed the old God based Camel Jocky
explanation that the six creative days from beginning to end was only
42,000 years. and that he then rested in the Seventh Day. Even the most
occluded of intelligences can see that this is a bunch of unmitigated
bullshit, supposedly put out by Jehovah God!
But what can you expect from the better half of the old GoodGuy/BadGuy
team? C'mon Ron, you don't really believe all that, do you? REALLY?
And I don't mean that you don't "WANT" to believe it... For I have the
feeling that you really "want" to believe in SOMETHING.
I always say that everyone has to believe in something... I believe I'll
have another cup of coffee! :)
reslight:
> they also believe we are in the "time of the end" similarly to other
> adventist groups, and which I also believe. I am not sure that in the name
> "Seventh-Day Adventists" that they mean the advent of the Seventh Day, but
> as it was explained to me once it means they keep the seventh day of the
> week holy.
~~~AW~~~:
The keeping of the sabbath was a MindPrisonBased symbol of the creative
days. God rested 7,000 years after 42,000 years of work. Man now gets 48
hours off after a 40 hour workweek that takes 120 hours. If you are
bound by such a system, how can you say you are free? George Bernard
Shaw said: "The English will never be enslaved as long as they are free
to do what they are told!"
reslight:
> However, Brother Russell *did* teach that the seventh 1,000 years
> since Adam's fall began in 1874, and although I have never heard anyone
> speak of it terms of the advent of the seventh day, I can see how one could
> so regard it.
~~~AW~~~:
He also believed that the Universe started less than 49,000 years ago.
He was an ignoramus. What does that make the followers of an ignoramus.
I'm not impuning his sincerity... after all he had been raised in a
MindPrison right up until he decided that he wanted to be the warden.
Anyone who puts any creedence into what he said is but following someone
who hasn't a clue. You don't really believe that, do you Ron?
And think about this, the warden spends his life in prison just like the
prisoners do.
reslight:
> In the rest of your post, You make a lot of statements and generalizations
> which I feel are unwarranted. But in due time you will understand, as God
> will have all understand.
> http://reslight.addr.com/understanding.html
~~~AW~~~:
I already know the MindPrisonHandbook better than most. That seems to be
a real problem for the true believers of the MindPrison system. I know
both sides. I know both the questions AND the answers of both sides.
That is why the JWs had to kick me out. I knew too much. When one knows
too much, one becomes a danger to those in control who are not allowed
to know more than they are allowed to know.
Isn't it strange, as soon as I was no longer a passive mind prisoner,
they had to set me free in order to keep all the others imprisoned.
I am reminded of a story about Abraham Lincoln, told to me by a fellow
named Dan Smoot, who used to put out a news letter called the Smoot
Report. He was headquartered in Dallas, and I happened to have been an
innocent messenger boy, who was enlisted by a newspaper editor to
deliver a memorized message concerning some extreme right wing type of
conservative bullshit to this fellow.
He related how one time Abe visited a prison. And in the course of the
visit he was told by inmate after inmate that they were innocent of the
crime with which they had been charged. That is, until he reached the
deepest, darkest dungeon where was kept the meanest, nastiest, no-good,
god-damned, son-of-a-bitch in the prison. Abe asked him if he too was
innocent? The fellow said: "No!" He said: "I did everything they accused
me of, and more. And if I had to do it over again, I would do it all
again without hesitation only I'd do it meaner and nastier than I did
before and I'd do more of it that I did."
Abe turned to the warden and said: "I want this man released
immediately!" And so the criminal was turned loose. Later the warden
wanted to know why Abe had done that? Abe replied: "I didn't want him to
corrupt all the other "innocent" people!"
And that is my situation with the JWs. I turned out to be the "meanest,
nastiest" one of the bunch and they had to turn me loose to keep from
losing control of all the other innocent people. They had to keep their
organization "clean"... read that unquestioning.
~~~AW~~~
> > I broke out. What is left of my family is still in the JW "MindPrison".
> > All the "friends" that I had that were JWs are still in the JW
> > "MindPrison". God is there, along with all the holy men, saints,
> > masters, and I am not on their visitor's list.
reslight:
> I also was once in the JW organization. I thank God that I have been freed
> from that system. http://reslight.addr.com/l-jws.html
~~~AW~~~:
You aren't free from the system, you are just in another cellblock run
by an earlier and older Warden! :)
Ron, stop being such a sheep. There is no Jehovah. There is no Satan.
There is no Kingdom of God. There is no salvation. Man is where he is
because he is the most efficient KILLER that has ever come into
existence. We are at the top of the food chain at the present time. It
has not always been this way, it will not always be this way. but it IS
this way at the present. That doesn't mean that we have to KILL. It only
means that nobody dares fuck with us because we CAN kill. We will one
day be extinct, but until then, this is the way it is. Existence is NOT
a dress rehearsal. You have but one life. No amount of faith, belief,
delusion, illusion or anything else will add one second to your life.
When it's over, it's OVER. Till then, to spend one's time in any other
way than the way you WANT to spend it is a waste of your life. You don't
have to do the will of an imaginary God. You don't have to serve anyone.
You are answerable only to yourself. And don't mistake what some asshole
who hasn't got a clue tells you is good for you. Stand up, be a man,
make your own decisions. I know that you have been told that you aren't
capable of doing that and that it is not in man to direct his own steps,
but I tell you that if you are going to be a real man, you have to turn
away from those who would decide for you your course of actions and get
on with your life no matter what. You won't fail to make mistakes, but
at least they'll be YOURS
Anything else is a negation of your potential.
reslight:
> May God bless.
~~~AW~~~:
Ron, Ron, Ron! They've given you a number and and taken away your name!
May you have:
A mind at peace,
A heart at rest,
A contented soul,
A healthy body,
A nobel purpose,
A good attitude,
An honest demeanor,
The courage to act or refrain,
The freedom to choose,
The wisdom to choose wisely,
And one more day with,
Clothing,
Food,
Shelter,
Transportation,
Recreation,
And an excess of the means of exchange,
With all this, you should be able to take care of:
The Hour-to-hour,
Ever-changing,
Minute-to-minute,
Custom-made
Second-to-second existence
Without bothering anyone else with the trivialities that seem to
permeate our lives!
Hope you are well.
Light Touch
pervert couldn't pound shit into a rat hole. Well I guess that's wrong
because he has Lurch to pound shit into. You have to act angry to be
mirroring anger. They are really stupid people. They do know how to use the
spellchecker though. I guess they get an "A" in spelling.
dirt wrote:
> No Allison, the words may have been borrowed but everything you said
> was from your own fuckwitted mind.
>
> ~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
>
> >dirt wrote:
> >> Wrong Allison, I'm not angry, not even a little itty bitty bit. Life
> >> taught me long ago to recognize assholes, and the fact that I finger
> >> you out as an asshole doesn't automatically mean I am angry. But your
> >> reaction tells it all doesn't it.
> >
> >~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
> >Everything I said in my reply to you was a quote from ***fuckwit! :)
> >
> >> And I quote you "It is the mirror effect. Dirt, you see in my posts
> >> what you hate most in yourself and that is what you are so angry
> >> about."
> >> Wrong again Allison. You are no mirror, there is only the promoting
> >> of Allison's perspective in your response to me, nothing of me. But
> >> I don't think for a moment that you will see it any way other than
> >> YOUR way, after all, aren't you the magnificent expression of the
> >> megaloden itself?
> >~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
> >Everything I said in my reply to you was a quote from ***fuckwit! :)
> >
> >> What you don't like is that someone is fucking up your vendetta
> >> against Light Touch. Dirt is saying that Light Touch is worth
> >> listening to, and you can't let this slide. So you must attack me to
> >> maintain your stance against him. And if this means that you must
> >> disparage people you don't even know as a means to maintain your
> >> assault the so be it. The mark of an asshole. But then maybe it's a
> >> little to early in the game to finalize such impressions. Time will
> >> tell.
> >~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
> >Everything I said in my reply to you was a quote from ***fuckwit! :)
> >
> >Heh heh heh heh.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> Now look at this, Allison has posted something of value and substance.
> So let the record show, I'm speaking personally (as life makes us all
> do), so it is only my view that this post is worthwhile. And as is my
> nature I say, Good job Allison.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
Thanks Dirt.
dirt wrote:
> And now I suppose Allison will be down my throat over the sweet
> coolness of my lips against his ass, assuming his immaturity overtakes
> him.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
Dirt, You make me chuckle! :)
Wait till you see what I replied to reslight's (Ron Day) response to
what you are so complimentary about.
And no I am not going to jump down your throat. I don't believe that I
have ever done that to you. But do let me say something here Dirt. You
see the kind of posts I write to those who are seriously serious?
Compare that to what I write to ***Fuckwit!
Now if ***fuckwit weren't such a complete and total pompous and arrogant
asshole, he too would get serious and well thought out posts. But like I
have said so often before, he gets exactly what he deserves.
Lurch is on his ass making fun of him because what ***Fuckwit says
deserves to be made fun of.
Atlas also is on his ass because he deserves it.
Judi is also on his ass because he deserves.
I do the same because he is not only pompous and arrogant, but because
he is a bastard, a mother fucker, a pervert, a braggart, a deluded son
of a bitch, an asshole, a retard, a free loader and ugly to boot. He has
this elevated opinion of himself. He can dish it out but he can't take
it. I have kicked his ass so many times that it has become tiresome to
those who read it. And still he is a a bastard, a mother fucker, a
pervert, a braggart, a deluded son of a bitch, an asshole, a retard, and
ugly to boot. He has this elevated opinion of himself. He can dish it
out but he can't take it.
When he finally gets what it is that everyone is driving at, then maybe
we will take him seriously. But until then, he is getting exactly what a
pompous and arrogant, bastard, mother fucker, pervert, braggart, deluded
son of a bitch, asshole, and retard deserves.
Maybe someday I'll get over beating around the bush and just come out
and say what I think of him! :)
Hope you are well. :)
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> No Allison, the words may have been borrowed but everything you said
> was from your own fuckwitted mind.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
Naaaa, you really think so? :) I was being flip with you.
I know you are kind of new around here and apparently I've made a bad
impression on you. But you're alright with me. :) You aren't related to
Eric are you? :)
Hope you are well.
--
dirt
First thing, you're sending messages to Light Touch in the middle of a
note to me, and this suggests you're writing to your own sense of
showmanship before an audience and not to me, which gives the
impression that you aren't very mature. If you want to say something
to Light Touch then post to him directly.
Second thing, when you call Light Touch 'ol buttface' you think you
are degrading him in some humorous fashion but really you are only
showing your immaturity. Two immaturity strikes in a row, this is not
good.
Third thing, when you suggest I am defending Light Touch you are
casting me as a potential enemy of the comic regime, and this tells me
you are immature and that you think in adolecent ways. Again a strike
against maturity.
Now in baseball, and the California judiicial system, you get three
strikes then you're out. Fortunately, this isn't baseball nor
California so I can continue.
And lastly there is your notion that you, Allison, and the others of
similar ilk, are just having a form of harmless fun. And this is the
deepest strike against your maturity because.. well, look at it
yourself and see how it does nothing to increase your maturity and it
does nothing to decrease any delusion that might exist in either Light
Touch or yourself.
Now I will watch for your response. And if it is as immature as your
post below, then I will show you how to deal in an adult manner with
those who are not deserving of your further attention. And I will do
this because we are both living beings making our way in an insane
world that has nothing better to do than create mischief as a means of
escaping responsibility in the name of harmless humor.
Yes, I wish I could say things better but such are my limitations.
Anyway, best wishes in life to you lurchc19.
lurchc19 wrote:*****
>dirt wrote:
>>
>> Wrong Allison, I'm not angry, not even a little itty bitty bit. Life
>> taught me long ago to recognize assholes, and the fact that I finger
>> you out as an asshole doesn't automatically mean I am angry. But your
>> reaction tells it all doesn't it.
>
> Wandering about lately as I commonly do, I have stumbled upon this
>
>"field of dreams" Alas though this one appears to be laden with many
dirt
So let the record show, I'm speaking personally (as life makes us all
do), so it is only my view that this post is worthwhile. And as is my
nature I say, Good job Allison.
And now I suppose Allison will be down my throat over the sweet
coolness of my lips against his ass, assuming his immaturity overtakes
him.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
>resl...@earthlink.net wrote:
dirt
was from your own fuckwitted mind.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
>dirt wrote:
>> Wrong Allison, I'm not angry, not even a little itty bitty bit. Life
>> taught me long ago to recognize assholes, and the fact that I finger
>> you out as an asshole doesn't automatically mean I am angry. But your
>> reaction tells it all doesn't it.
>
dirt
say.
Light Touch wrote:*****
>**********SPV....Dirt you don't think they will listen to reason do you?
>This guy lost his legs in a car wreak and then he is telling me how asleep he
>is so about two months or more ago he goes out with a car falls to sleep at
>the wheel and totals the car. Then he is so stupid he is saying that he
>stumbles onto these posts. A man of his stature is stumbling anywhere as far
>as I can see. Then he has these two idiot friends. One is a closet pervert
>that really insulted my son, my little baby boy. And the other is a
>pathological liar. So of course he says if he hears about his friends and
>the truth he wants to puke. If I had friends like that hearing about them
>would make me puke too.
>> lurchc19 wrote:*****
>>
>> >dirt wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Wrong Allison, I'm not angry, not even a little itty bitty bit. Life
>> >> taught me long ago to recognize assholes, and the fact that I finger
>> >> you out as an asshole doesn't automatically mean I am angry. But your
>> >> reaction tells it all doesn't it.
>> >
>> > Wandering about lately as I commonly do, I have stumbled upon this
>> >
>> >"field of dreams" Alas though this one appears to be laden with many
Light Touch
when crime drops to zero. Will you make excuses also. I mean Judi heard this story
when crime had just turned and now it's down like 45% and she still thinks it only is
down in my make believe world. Her exact words to me were, "Stephen that's in your
world, not mine. Crime isn't down in my world only in your world, the world of your
mind." She and brucie were just taking up a storm behind my back. But back then the
FBI hadn't started reporting it like they do now. What I mean the results weren't
there yet. So I ask you. Will you still deny me then also?
Light Touch
you. From where you sit you must know that keyboard fairly well. What's wrong
with your typing?
lurchc19
>
> **********SPV....You can't claim that the other person is angry. This
> pervert couldn't pound shit into a rat hole. Well I guess that's wrong
> because he has Lurch to pound shit into.
HEY BUTTFACE! I ASKED YOU BEFORE, DON'T INCLUDE ME IN THE ALLISON
ATTACK! MAYBE I NEED TO VISIT BOULDER AND TAKE YOU ON A MOUNTAIN RIDE!
REMEMBER-1st ACCIDENT 1969, 2nd ACCIDENT 2000,3rd ACCIDENT ??????
You have to act angry to be
> mirroring anger. They are really stupid people. They do know how to use the
> spellchecker though. I guess they get an "A" in spelling.
>
> dirt wrote:
>
> > No Allison, the words may have been borrowed but everything you said
> > was from your own fuckwitted mind.
> >
> > ~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
> >
> > >dirt wrote:
> > >> Wrong Allison, I'm not angry, not even a little itty bitty bit. Life
> > >> taught me long ago to recognize assholes, and the fact that I finger
> > >> you out as an asshole doesn't automatically mean I am angry. But your
> > >> reaction tells it all doesn't it.
> > >
> > >~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
> > >Everything I said in my reply to you was a quote from ***fuckwit! :)
> > >
> > >> And I quote you "It is the mirror effect. Dirt, you see in my posts
> > >> what you hate most in yourself and that is what you are so angry
> > >> about."
> > >> Wrong again Allison. You are no mirror, there is only the promoting
> > >> of Allison's perspective in your response to me, nothing of me. But
> > >> I don't think for a moment that you will see it any way other than
> > >> YOUR way, after all, aren't you the magnificent expression of the
> > >> megaloden itself?
> > >~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
> > >Everything I said in my reply to you was a quote from ***fuckwit! :)
> > >
> > >> What you don't like is that someone is fucking up your vendetta
> > >> against Light Touch. Dirt is saying that Light Touch is worth
> > >> listening to, and you can't let this slide. So you must attack me to
> > >> maintain your stance against him. And if this means that you must
> > >> disparage people you don't even know as a means to maintain your
> > >> assault the so be it. The mark of an asshole. But then maybe it's a
> > >> little to early in the game to finalize such impressions. Time will
> > >> tell.
> > >~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
> > >Everything I said in my reply to you was a quote from ***fuckwit! :)
> > >
> > >Heh heh heh heh.
dirt
>dirt wrote:
>>
>> Are you a mess or what lurchc19?
>
> NO? are you dirt?(If so please explain what type of mess you are and
>
>how you ended up that way,please.) But first let me introduce myself,
>
>I am lurchc19, self proclaimed and honored "Dumbest on the internet" I
>
>am a member of the legendary "Dream Team" of alt. solipsism fame.WE do
>
>enjoy engaging people in sometime rather spirited "conversations" of
>
>mostly non-sensical banter(RIGHT BUTTFACE?)but at times we all can be
>
>rather intelligent in our correspondence.
Well lurchc19, I could be wrong but your intelligence appears to be a
sham, a farce, a put on, or should I say it's rather a put on.
Just look 19, it's not enough to be yourself and live with what that
means, no you've got to be something more, so you invent some silly
crap about being DOTI and part of an elitist dream team of
bullshitters.
And you expect to be taken serious?
>
> Some people misinterpret what we are trying to express as humor,
>
>as actual hatred and disgust.Read some of your "Buddy's" past posts and
>
>see for yourself.
Or maybe you misinterpret your humor as being something it's not.
Check out your own posts and see for yourself.
Light Touch
lurchc19 wrote:
> Light Touch wrote:
> >
> > **********SPV....You can't claim that the other person is angry. This
> > pervert couldn't pound shit into a rat hole. Well I guess that's wrong
> > because he has Lurch to pound shit into.
>
> HEY BUTTFACE! I ASKED YOU BEFORE, DON'T INCLUDE ME IN THE ALLISON
>
> ATTACK! MAYBE I NEED TO VISIT BOULDER AND TAKE YOU ON A MOUNTAIN RIDE!
>
> REMEMBER-1st ACCIDENT 1969, 2nd ACCIDENT 2000,3rd ACCIDENT ??????
>
> You have to act angry to be
> > mirroring anger. They are really stupid people. They do know how to use the
> > spellchecker though. I guess they get an "A" in spelling.
> >
> > dirt wrote:
> >
> > > No Allison, the words may have been borrowed but everything you said
> > > was from your own fuckwitted mind.
> > >
> > > ~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
> > >
> > > >dirt wrote:
> > > >> Wrong Allison, I'm not angry, not even a little itty bitty bit. Life
> > > >> taught me long ago to recognize assholes, and the fact that I finger
> > > >> you out as an asshole doesn't automatically mean I am angry. But your
> > > >> reaction tells it all doesn't it.
> > > >
dirt
>dirt wrote:
>> Now look at this, Allison has posted something of value and substance.
>> So let the record show, I'm speaking personally (as life makes us all
>> do), so it is only my view that this post is worthwhile. And as is my
>> nature I say, Good job Allison.
>
>~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
>Thanks Dirt.
>
>dirt wrote:
>> And now I suppose Allison will be down my throat over the sweet
>> coolness of my lips against his ass, assuming his immaturity overtakes
>> him.
>
>~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
>Dirt, You make me chuckle! :)
Chuckling is good.
>
>Wait till you see what I replied to reslight's (Ron Day) response to
>what you are so complimentary about.
>
>And no I am not going to jump down your throat. I don't believe that I
>have ever done that to you. But do let me say something here Dirt. You
>see the kind of posts I write to those who are seriously serious?
>
>Compare that to what I write to ***Fuckwit!
Yes but are the seriously serious really serious enough? Why stop
there, let's go for the really very seriously serious serious?
>
>Now if ***fuckwit weren't such a complete and total pompous and arrogant
>asshole, he too would get serious and well thought out posts. But like I
>have said so often before, he gets exactly what he deserves.
Are you suggesting that Light Touch can be as pompous and arrogant as
you can be or that he is these things and you are not?
>
>Lurch is on his ass making fun of him because what ***Fuckwit says
>deserves to be made fun of.
>
>Atlas also is on his ass because he deserves it.
>
>Judi is also on his ass because he deserves.
Heh heh heh... quickly becomes hackneyed as does buttface name
calling. It's not the seriously serious attitude you mentioned above
so in what way do these few deserve to dish out what is deserved?
>
>I do the same because he is not only pompous and arrogant, but because
>he is a bastard, a mother fucker, a pervert, a braggart, a deluded son
>of a bitch, an asshole, a retard, a free loader and ugly to boot. He has
>this elevated opinion of himself. He can dish it out but he can't take
>it. I have kicked his ass so many times that it has become tiresome to
>those who read it. And still he is a a bastard, a mother fucker, a
>pervert, a braggart, a deluded son of a bitch, an asshole, a retard, and
>ugly to boot. He has this elevated opinion of himself. He can dish it
>out but he can't take it.
So he has an elevated opinion of himself, so what, who doesn't?
Aren't you pompous and arrogant, a braggart, deluded, an asshole? Now
you must know these traits are in everyone to greater and lesser
degrees, so it seems to come down to a personal issue for you.
And then you take a shoot gun approach in taking him out. Anyone in
his general direction is fair game and deserves some buckshot
themselves. And this leads to you saying very stupid and disgusting
things about people you know nothing about.
But you have shown you can dish it out and you've shown no one's
interested in dishing the same back to you. So I'm wondering if
there's a third act and curtain call anywhere in this play of yours.
>
>When he finally gets what it is that everyone is driving at, then maybe
>we will take him seriously. But until then, he is getting exactly what a
>pompous and arrogant, bastard, mother fucker, pervert, braggart, deluded
>son of a bitch, asshole, and retard deserves.
>
>Maybe someday I'll get over beating around the bush and just come out
>and say what I think of him! :)
>
>Hope you are well. :)
Nice sentiments right backatcha.
Atlas M. Schacter
>*********SPV......You say, "Clear enough"???? To me yes, but not to
you.
Another awkward, amateur attempt at role reversal. I'm not a mental
health
professional and I can see right through it, a good shrink will have no
problem at all with you. You can be helped, Stephen.
>How many times I got to tell you it's unconscious. What do you think
that
>means? When you are acting jealous and you can't feel the jealousy
that
>means it is unconscious.
You're overanalyzing the situation, just like the perpetual seeker types
you
attempt to teach. Only you (and perhaps "gj," who knows?) think I am
"acting
jealous," so any conclusions you draw from that are moot.
>It's your ego controlling you.
Mirror's up, oh Sweet Savior Of Humanity. By the way, those fires are
still
burning like mad up north, are you going to *do* something about it or
keep
trying to convince yourself that you aren't a nutbag by debating me?
>Why else would you just go on and on about all these things you think
about
>me?
Moron, it's because I care -- both about you and the damage nutcases
like you
do to serious spiritual endeavor in the world.
>I certainly don't give a shit what you think, and you have read the
others.
What "others?" You mean some other quasi-Gurdjieffian mind prisoner
thinks I
am "jealous" of you? Well then, it's a good thing the truth isn't
determined
by a vote, eh?
>All you
>have is the pervert and Judi and the rest have been around long enough
to
>know you are on the losing end of the stick.
Are you imagining you have students and disciples again? Poor dear, you
really must get your disease treated, this is just *too* sad for
words...
>It's like when I say, "The
>bi-polar is judi just lying again, and to prove it show us the report
you
>read that says I am diagnosed bi-polar." And what can you do, you are
>operating on rumor.
Actually, I have the reports -- one of them from over twenty years ago
--
in my desk drawer, but I can't scan and post them because they never
should have been released in the first place and a bureaucrat fearing
for
his job could make my life a living hell if I disclose them.
>This shows you are asleep because only a fool makes a
>big deal out of a liar's rumor. And everyone knows Judi is a habitual
>liar. Everyone. Her ex-husbands and her friends know she lies
constantly.
She's not lying about you, woman-beater, that's in the stack of reports
too. Ex-spouses are very unreliable witnesses, that's why I didn't
believe the stuff from your ex-wife until I found corroboration from the
shrinks and cops.
>
>So there you have it. You are making a big deal out of just totally
stupid
>shit which makes you look stupid. Take for example when I have a
summer
>head cold and I am honest about it say, "I don't feel well." And you
go on
>and on about how I am at the bottom of my bi-polar phase and you begged
me
>to seek immediate help. Now don't you look a bit stupid here? Think
about
>it.
I'm not worried about how I look when my sole motive is compassion.
Publicly whining about a head cold is just the tip of iceberg and you
know it.
>
>And notice I am giving you examples of your sleep, your actions are
jealous
>because why give a shit?
...and I've told you, you dumb clod: it's love!
>You care because you are jealous and don't know
>what to do with these feelings you don't want to feel.
More pseudo-analytical bullshit, you've yet to post one word about why
*anyone* would be jealous of someone in your pitiable condition. Why
assume "jealousy" unless you read it in a book or something? There is
a whole universe of possibility here and you harp on "jealousy" -- once
again, the mirror is up, Stephen!
>You chief feature is jealousy.
I repeat, why would anyone be jealous of you?
>You need to feel before you act. Otherwise why would you give a
>shit.
I've already explained that in a single word. You're so used to people
not giving a shit about you that when someone does you have to make up
a reason that leaves your poor bloated little ego intact -- so it
couldn't be that you are exactly the mental case the shrinks say you
are, it must be that whoever is writing this is jealous of you and your
colorful Captain Messiah superhero costume!
>And for another example, how many other people are begging me to seek
>help for a bi-polar phase when I have a head cold????
Because there is no cure for a head cold, asshole, but there is cure for
being so unconscious that having a head cold throws you into a sudden
depressive state.
Light Touch
am not a mental health Professional and I can see right through it. A good
shrink will have no problem at all with you. You can be helped Stephen."
You are not a mental health professional yet you can see clearly I need
help? Who are you to judge me? And why can't you give an example of what
is to be helped. Is this not all you delusion? I mean you sound crazy
saying this. You sound like a good shrink could definitely help you. And
the example and proof I give is this above quote. You sound crazy to judge
and admit that you are not expert but you insist I need help. "Pluck the
beam from thy own eye before you work on the splinter in thy neightbor." Do
you see how it applies? Clean up your own house before you work on mine.
You sound seriously in need of a shrink. You need help and I don't know if
a shrink can even help you. When you are this far beyond logic, then not
much can be done, basically you may be too stupid to help.
Reslight
point-by-point. There is a lot of misunderstanding of what Russell taught
and what most Bible Students now believe (which is not always the same
thing), and as a result many irrelevant and "straw man" arguments are
presented. I will point out a few errors and give references for any who
wish to do more research.
I recommend the reading of the following:
"Pastor Russell Not the Founder of 'Jehovah's Witnesses'"
http://www.nsbible.org/pastor_not_founder.htm
Russell did not teach, and Bible Students do not teach, that every statement
made by Russell, or any other servant of God, is directly from God.
Russell is portrayed as believing that the universe was created in six days
of 7,000 years each. This portrayal is incorrect.
---From *The New Creation*, pages 17,18:
When in Genesis we read, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth," we are to remember that this beginning relates not to the universe,
but merely to our planet. Then it was that "the morning stars sang
together" and all the angelic sons of God "shouted for joy"--when the Lord
laid the foundations of the earth and "made the cloud the garment thereof,
and thick darkness its swaddling band." (Job 38:4-11)
---End of quote: http://www.nsbible.org/sits_v6/v6s1.htm
--From *The Photo-Drama of Creation*
The Genesis account tells nothing about the formation of the Earth itself.
It says, "In the beginning the Earth was--without form and void"--shapeless,
empty. There were neither mountains nor valleys, trees nor shrubs, rivers
nor oceans, but the Earth was. How long before that it had been created, is
not stated. The account of the Days of Creation given in Genesis relates not
to the construction of our globe, but to the ordering of it for human
habitation.
---End of quote: http://biblestudents.org/absco/photodrama/index.htm
For more current thinking amongst Bible Students on this, see:
"Genesis and Geophysics"
http://www.heraldmag.org/00ja_5.htm
"Creation or Evolution?"
http://www.dawnbible.com/9705-hl.htm
Bible Students do not believe in the *fundy* or *JWs* explanation of why
evil exists, as implied. I recommend a more thorough study of the documents
found at:
http://reslight.addr.com/l-evil.html
Regarding the inspiration of the Bible, I recommend reading Paul S. L.
Johnson's book *The Bible*, although much material therein is out of date.
This book is not available online, but it can be ordered from the Bible
Standard.
http://www.biblestandard.com/BIBLE_STANDARD_USA/CONTACT_US/contact_us.html
Please note that neither I nor the Bible Students in general support each
and every statement made by Bro. Russell, Bro. Johnson, Bro. Edgar, etc. We
do not feel such an obligation as the JWs do to defend the statements of
their F&DS class, or more correctly their president or "governing body".
Bible Students do not have a central headquarters and no central governing
body.
Bible Students believe that all mankind will eventually know Yahweh; they
are not out to "save" as many of mankind as possible from some eternal doom
as are the JWs and many other religious groups. God has not given to us the
ability to make all these things known to the unbelieving world at the
present time. Even Jesus did not attempt such. (John 12:47,48) It is still
true that God has sent "them strong delusion, that they should believe a
lie," (2 Thessalonians 2:11) and "God hath concluded them all in unbelief,
that he might have mercy upon all." (Romans 11:32)
For more on this see:
*Mankind's Course to the Day of Judgment*
*Understanding Kingdom Mysteries*
*The Restoration of All Things*
http://reslight.addr.com
Atlas M. Schacter
Light Touch <spva...@uswest.net> wrote:
> ***********SPV....You are so stupid this is beneath me.
Liar, you will *never* stop reacting to me because I hit the bullseye
every time and your ego cannot tolerate the truth. Since I have not
provided you with an excuse to pretend to ignore me like Mr, Allison
did, you cannot and will not ever stop because if you do, my posts will
stand on their own as the self evident facts of the matter. So, nothing
whatsoever is "beneath" you as long as your self-image perceives a
threat -- you even read Allison's stuff, you're just too embarrassed to
reply to it outright.
> Look....You say, "I
> am not a mental health Professional and I can see right through it. A
good
> shrink will have no problem at all with you. You can be helped
Stephen."
> You are not a mental health professional yet you can see clearly I
need
> help?
Yup, just as virtually any person with a three-digit IQ and a modicum of
perceptual clarity can tell that you are nuts, I, an admitted
non-professional, can state that you can be helped. The biggest barrier
to that help is an ego that's all tangled up in your crime-fighting
buddhafield messiah delusions, which comprise the whacky image you try
and sell here on Usenet.
>Who are you to judge me? And why can't you give an example of
> what is to be helped.
What there is to be helped couldn't be more obvious, it's your delusion
that enlightenment has something to do with power in the manifest
universe (it does not) and that you are "a Master" who has been doing
vast good in the world with such (entirely fictional) power. You've had
a few meditative experiences, and your bloated ego has taken them to
mean the you are "the one," the avatar, the Messiah. It's like some kid
who's just barely passed a driver's test without running anyone over
deciding he's Mario Andretti or A.J. Foyt.
> Is this not all you delusion? I mean you sound crazy saying this.
Ah, but the difference is you can only try to make me "sound crazy,"
but you *are* crazy!
> You sound like a good shrink could definitely help you.
There's that awkward schoolboy role-reversal attempt again. If your
brain wasn't in such tatters you might have been able to pull it off.
> And
> the example and proof I give is this above quote. You sound crazy to
judge
> and admit that you are not expert but you insist I need help. "Pluck
the
> beam from thy own eye before you work on the splinter in thy
neightbor." Do
> you see how it applies?
Of course, do you? Obviously not. You have made a public spectacle of
your Messiah delusions, yet your "beam" has prevented you from seeing
the obvious fact that such delusions are clear evidence of severe mental
problems.
> Clean up your own house before you work on mine.
Compared to yours, Stephen, my "house" could pass a Marine Corps. white
glove inspection.
> You sound seriously in need of a shrink. You need help and I don't
know if
> a shrink can even help you. When you are this far beyond logic, then
> not much can be done, basically you may be too stupid to help.
The problem here is that you see what I write an an attack, so you have
to go tit for tat with all the few functioning brain cells remaining to
you. In fact, it's not an attack or even a competition. I have no
"Messiah" pretensions or ambitions -- but that's *all* you have and an
admission that it's all a house of cards kept standing by a diagnosed
mental dysfunction would bring you face to face with who and what you
really are: a broken bum with a broken brain. In fact, this is a rescue
mission, but you've been clinging to your liferaft of delusion so long
you think the copter is a gunship trying to sink you when all that the
pilot wants is to take you home so you can heal.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
> >Dirt, You make me chuckle! :)
Dirt wrote:
> Chuckling is good.
~~~AW~~~:
I do a lot of it. In print it looks like ":)" and "Heh heh heh heh".
Dirt:
> Yes but are the seriously serious really serious enough?
~~~AW~~~:
Sure!
> Why stop there, let's go for the really very seriously serious serious?
~~~AW~~~:
Them too! :)
Dirt:
> Are you suggesting that Light Touch can be as pompous and arrogant as
> you can be?
~~~AW~~~:
When it comes to evincing any attitude, I doubt that anyone can exceed
me, but the difference is: That I do it merely as a thing to do, not as
the way I am.
Stephen isn't pompous and arrogant as a thing to do. Stephen does it
because he is really that way.
I suspect that he might experience those moments when he questions the
validity of his claims and actions, but I also suspect that he is so
occluded that he is unable to, by reason of his pomposity and arrogance,
to answer those question objectively or act on his question of validity
because his pomposity and arrogance won't let him, and his SuperEgo is
so deficient that it is unable to influence him to exercise good
judgement.
Dirt:
> or that he is these things and you are not?
~~~AW~~~:
Like I said, Stephen is pompous and arrogant due to his unjustifiable
elevated opinion of himself. I CAN be pompous and arrogant, but it is a
difficult act of willing myself to be so. It doesn't come naturally for
me, like it does for him. And there is one other difference...
I have something for which I am justified to be pompous and arrogant,
Stephen doesn't! (Just kidding!) :) (again I chuckle)
Dirt:
> Heh heh heh... quickly becomes hackneyed as does buttface name
> calling. It's not the seriously serious attitude you mentioned above
> so in what way do these few deserve to dish out what is deserved?
~~~AW~~~:
Lurch does it out of mischieviousness and wanting to join in.
Atlas averrs that he is doing it out of "love" for Stephen and for those
who might be led astray by Stephen.
Judi does it because Stephen beat the shit out of her and this is her
way of not letting him get away with beating on her that easily.
My motives are probably a bit more complex and manifold than any of the
above.
Like Eric, am interested in the reactions.
Like Atlas, am interested in seeing who can be dissuaded from being
taken in by Stephen's bullshit.
Like Judy, am interested in letting Stephen know that what he does will
not go unimpeded, that no one can stop him from doing what he is doing,
but that it comes at a price, not to my profit but at his expense.
Like Lurch, also enjoy a bit of mischievious intrigue.
And even this is not the whole of it.
Your perception in another post of what I do being a "vendetta" was
valid, and if you would like to know about that, it is not something
that I would be averse to discussing.
But even that is not the whole of it. As I said in my post to which you
responded:
> > I do the same because he is not only pompous and arrogant, but because
> > he is a bastard, a mother fucker, a pervert, a braggart, a deluded son
> > of a bitch, an asshole, a retard, a free loader and ugly to boot. He has
> > this elevated opinion of himself. He can dish it out but he can't take
> > it. I have kicked his ass so many times that it has become tiresome to
> > those who read it. And still he is a a bastard, a mother fucker, a
> > pervert, a braggart, a deluded son of a bitch, an asshole, a retard, and
> > ugly to boot. He has this elevated opinion of himself. He can dish it
> > out but he can't take it.
And EVEN THAT is not the whole of it...
Dirt:
> And then you take a shoot gun approach in taking him out.
~~~AWWW~~~:
Naaaaa, you really think so? I don't even own a "shoot gun"! :)
Dirt:
> Anyone in his general direction is fair game and deserves some buckshot
> themselves.
~~~AW~~~:
Naaaaa, you really think so? I don't think that just because someone is
"in his general direction" that that person is "fair game"...
I think that anyone who posts to a NG is fair game! Including me! It all
comes
under that old Truman aphorism, "If you can't stand the heat, stay out
of the
kitchen."
Dirt:
> And this leads to you saying very stupid and disgusting things about people
> you know nothing about.
~~~AW~~~:
At the risk of sounding like Stephen, might I ask you to provide me with
an example of me saying "stupid and disgusting things" about anyone
other than Stephen? For I'm sure that if I have, there had to be a
reason.
The only other thing that I would like to say about that, is that
sometimes I may wax "stupid and disgusting" but only in the same manner
as I may sometimes wax "pompous and arrogant", which is, as a strategy
in the game of contentious communications. You see, Stephen likes to
push people's buttons. He enjoys the reactions that he gets. He has
tried, is trying, and will try to push my buttons, but he has never been
able to find them. I on the other hand have pushed, am pushing and will
push Stephen's buttons for I know what they are and his reactions prove
it. Like I said, he can dish it out, but he isn't very good at having it
done back to him. He is a pompous and arrogant winner, and a bad and
sore loser. And it is obvious that if he can't win ALL the time, he
won't play, as evidenced by his sore loser attitude when it comes to the
little games that he and I have played.
Dirt:
> But you have shown you can dish it out and you've shown no one's
> interested in dishing the same back to you.
~~~AW~~~:
Again Dirt, this is what I mean when I say: "You ARE new around here,
aren't you?" For if you weren't (or at least acting like you weren't),
you would know about all those who HAVE shown interest in dishing it
back to me. Ask Judi, or Lurch, or Bruce, or anyone else about the
WOOPOOSCHOOTANFODGES that have gone on between such illustrious netizens
as: Gnaustica, BirdTribe, Saivannie, BobGreer, AndreaChen, and other
minor skirmishes with many of which I cannot remember the names. It is
like being a gunfighter. And such as Awetoss and Judi and Eric have all
done their part in actually promoting these little flamewars just to see
what it is like to watch some highly competent writers go at each other.
One of my most enjoyable instances was a little World Wrestling
Federation type match with Randy Lee Blain, the "MightBirdTribe" VS
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~, "The Megalodon". It was fun, fun, fun, and in
the end we were still as friendly as HulkHogan and RandySavage.
Another one was with Gnaustica, and that is where the vendetta against
Stephen came in. I won't go into it here, but it is an interesting story
for those interested in such things.
Dirt:
> So I'm wondering if there's a third act and curtain call anywhere in this
> play of yours.
~~~AW~~~:
We are way past the third act! More like going into the 13th round of a
Heavyweight Championship of the World Boxing Match... And this is not
the first, nor is it going to be the last. this just happens to be one
of the thing I enjoy doing. Not everyone enjoys doing this, not everyone
enjoys seeing this. Everyone doesn't like something. Still just because
one does not like boxing or wrestling doesn't mean that the boxers and
wrestlers have to stop doing it.
I don't happen to like RapMusic (isn't that an oxymoron?) so I just
don't listen to it, but if you do like Rap, who am I to try to stop you
from listening to it.
And before you try to apply that principle to my thing with Stephen, let
me remind you if you do know, or inform you if you don't, that Stephen
came to <alt.solipsism> to attack me in the first place. I didn't go
after him... He came after me... What you are seeing is the result of
THAT! I'm on his ass, he is learning that the fight didn't start when I
hit him back! :)
> >Hope you are well. :)
Dirt:
> Nice sentiments right backatcha.
~~~AW~~~:
Well, with all that out of the way and in pursuit of earlier subjects,
let me say: I suspect that you are one of the "really very seriously
serious serious" so I want to ask you some "really very seriously
serious" questions. These are not trick questions, they are quite
simple, if you don't want to answer them, just say you don't want to,
but in actuality you have nothing to lose by answering and like I said
they are not tricky or anything. Ready? Alright, here they are:
1. Do you, in your REALLY VERY SERIOUSLY SERIOUS opinion, think that
Stephen is ACTUALLY influencing the FBI's reported drop in the crime
statistics?
2. Do you, in your REALLY VERY SERIOUSLY SERIOUS opinion, think that
Stephen is ACTUALLY responsible for the weather changes that was
instrumental putting out the wild fires that were going on in Colorado
3. Do you, in your REALLY VERY SERIOUSLY SERIOUS opinion, think that
Stephen ACTUALLY has millions of scholarly followers hanging on his
every word of his every post?
4. Do you, in your REALLY VERY SERIOUSLY SERIOUS opinion, think that
Stephen is ACTUALLY being sought out by the world leaders, in order to
assist them in running their respective countries?
There are more questions that COULD be asked, but this is enough for
now.
I can understand your efforts to help poor old Stephen out when he is
beset by what seems to be overwhelming forces, and I too have always had
a penchant for cheering on the "underdog", but there comes a time when
objectivity is efficacious, and one must face not one's own sentiments,
but his considered realizations when it comes to things of this nature.
And you know Dirt, I would just love to have all that Stephen says be
true. I think that he has a "noble" delusion. And if the question were
singularly a matter of nobility, I wouldn't have any problem
what-so-ever with being sympathetic.
But when the reality sets in, a "noble" delusion is still a delusion.
What do you think? SERIOUSLY!
Hope you are well. Let's resolve to do our best at sincere
communication. OK?
HAND
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> You've had a few meditative experiences, and your bloated ego has taken
> them to mean the you are "the one," the avatar, the Messiah. It's like
> some kid who's just barely passed a driver's test without running
> anyone over deciding he's Mario Andretti or A.J. Foyt.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
Atlas, this is a keeper! :) I think it is not just great!, but GREAT!!!
:)
Atlas M. Schacter wrote:
> In fact, this is a rescue mission, but you've been clinging to your
> life raft of delusion so long you think the copter is a gunship trying
> to sink you when all that the pilot wants is to take you home so you
> can heal.
~~~AW~~~:
Atlas, I must say you are getting pretty good at this! Next thing you
know, ***Fuckwit won't be reading or responding to what you say either!
Heh heh heh heh.
Atlas M. Schacter
all...@livingston.net wrote:
> Atlas M. Schacter wrote:
> > You've had a few meditative experiences, and your bloated ego has
taken
> > them to mean the you are "the one," the avatar, the Messiah. It's
like
> > some kid who's just barely passed a driver's test without running
> > anyone over deciding he's Mario Andretti or A.J. Foyt.
>
> Atlas, this is a keeper! :) I think it is not just great!, but
GREAT!!!
> :)
>
wordsmith.
> Atlas M. Schacter wrote:
> > In fact, this is a rescue mission, but you've been clinging to your
> > life raft of delusion so long you think the copter is a gunship
trying
> > to sink you when all that the pilot wants is to take you home so you
> > can heal.
>
> ~~~AW~~~:
> Atlas, I must say you are getting pretty good at this! Next thing you
> know, ***Fuckwit won't be reading or responding to what you say
> either!
Yeah, he's already said that's "beneath" him, but I'm sure he still
reads every word you post so that's as meaningless as the rest of his
public resolutions. SPV reminds me of a computer salesman -- and
I'm sure you've heard about the the difference between a used car
salesman and a computer salesman: that's right, the used car salesman at
least *knows* when he's lying!
>
> Heh heh heh heh.
>
Yes, that too! :-)
Light Touch
a liar? Like a woman, like a little kid. Silly stupid and jealous.
Light Touch
non-event. Who gives a shit what he said or thought. He was a joke.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> After reading over the response, I have decided not to respond
> point-by-point.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
Dear Ron Day, point-by-point responses do take more time than they are
worth. Still it is one thing to kill time. It is quite another to kill
eternity. ("DonJuan in Hell", George Bernard Shaw)
Reslight:
> There is a lot of misunderstanding of what Russell taught
> and what most Bible Students now believe (which is not always the same
> thing),
~~~AW~~~:
I'm sure that this is so. It's almost impossible to get everyone
together all at once.
Reslight:
> and as a result many irrelevant and "straw man" arguments are
> presented. I will point out a few errors and give references for any who
> wish to do more research.
~~~AW~~~:
Actually, I'm probably the only one here who has any motive for doing
so. And too you must understand, that I have little interest of news
from the "inside"!
Reslight:
> I recommend the reading of the following:
> "Pastor Russell Not the Founder of 'Jehovah's Witnesses'"
> http://www.nsbible.org/pastor_not_founder.htm
~~~AW~~~:
An observation... The JWs recommend the reading of their publication. I
have considered them to have become "BookWorshipers". As I know you have
a basic eschewment of their methodologies, you might try to be careful
that you don't, by recommending the reading of WebPages, become "URL
Worshipers".
Reslight:
> Russell did not teach, and Bible Students do not teach, that every statement
> made by Russell, or any other servant of God, is directly from God.
~~~AW~~~:
But they MUST teach that every statement made in the Bible is directly
from God.
Reslight:
> Russell is portrayed as believing that the universe was created in six days
> of 7,000 years each. This portrayal is incorrect.
~~~AW~~~:
You may say that now, but back then, if C.T. Russell had said that, he
would have been tarred and feathered, run out of town on a rail, and
rejected as being a false prophet. For the idea was in vogue back then.
Where was Einstein when they needed him?
Reslight:
> ---From *The New Creation*, pages 17,18:
> When in Genesis we read, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the
> earth," we are to remember that this beginning relates not to the universe,
> but merely to our planet. Then it was that "the morning stars sang
> together" and all the angelic sons of God "shouted for joy"--when the Lord
> laid the foundations of the earth and "made the cloud the garment thereof,
> and thick darkness its swaddling band." (Job 38:4-11)
> ---End of quote: http://www.nsbible.org/sits_v6/v6s1.htm
~~~AW~~~:
Is this a quote from the "Stradivarious" version? :)
Reslight:
> --From *The Photo-Drama of Creation*
> The Genesis account tells nothing about the formation of the Earth itself.
~~~AW~~~:
Oh contrare!
Genesis 1:1: "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth!
(KJVotHB (King James Version of the Holy Bible))
Genesis 1:1: "In (the) beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
(NWTotHS (New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures))
Reslight:
> It says, "In the beginning the Earth was--without form and void"--shapeless,
> empty. There were neither mountains nor valleys, trees nor shrubs, rivers
> nor oceans, but the Earth was. How long before that it had been created, is
> not stated. The account of the Days of Creation given in Genesis relates not
> to the construction of our globe, but to the ordering of it for human
> habitation.
> ---End of quote: http://biblestudents.org/absco/photodrama/index.htm
~~~AW~~~:
You're playing pretty fast and loose with what the Bible actually says,
Ron!
Now I know that you might just be quoting the "PhotoDrama of Creation",
so if you are, then it was "them" that was playing pretty fast and loose
with what the Bible actually says.
Either way...
Reslight:
> For more current thinking amongst Bible Students on this, see:
> "Genesis and Geophysics"
> http://www.heraldmag.org/00ja_5.htm
> "Creation or Evolution?"
> http://www.dawnbible.com/9705-hl.htm
~~~AW~~~:
At this point Ron, I must remind everyone that what you are doing is not
a dime's worth the difference from what the JWs do. To make a point, you
both refer everyone to the your own version of the
"MindPrisoner'sManual".
It is like me saying: The Moon is made of Green cheese!
And as "PROOF" that this so, I refer you to the sentence immediately
above this one that says in confirmation that: "The Moon is made of
Green cheese!
Reslight:
> Bible Students do not believe in the *fundy* or *JWs* explanation of why
> evil exists, as implied. I recommend a more thorough study of the documents
> found at:
> http://reslight.addr.com/l-evil.html
~~~AW~~~:
More "Green Moon Cheese".
Reslight:
> Regarding the inspiration of the Bible, I recommend reading Paul S. L.
> Johnson's book *The Bible*, although much material therein is out of date.
> This book is not available online, but it can be ordered from the Bible
> Standard.
> http://www.biblestandard.com/BIBLE_STANDARD_USA/CONTACT_US/contact_us.html
~~~AW~~~:
What? No Barnes&Noble?
Reslight:
> Please note that neither I nor the Bible Students in general support each
> and every statement made by Bro. Russell, Bro. Johnson, Bro. Edgar, etc. We
> do not feel such an obligation as the JWs do to defend the statements of
> their F&DS class,
~~~AW~~~:
For those of you unfamiliar with such terms as F&DS... That means
"Faithful and Discreet Slave". Those are the ones of the JWs who think
up the bullshit that gets printed in the Watchtower Publications. Note
the word "Slave"... and then wonder why they eschew the idea of what
they believe being a "MindPrison".
Reslight:
> or more correctly their president or "governing body".
~~~AW~~~:
Well, when Jehovah, himself doesn't show up, someone has to take over...
because "The show MUST go on!" or the cash flow stops :)
Reslight:
> Bible Students do not have a central headquarters and no central governing
> body.
~~~AW~~~:
Well, just as soon as you guys start having some success, you can remedy
that problem. But actually by that time, having a central headquarters
or central governing body will be obsolete, and will be replaced by a
URL in Cyberspace!
Hey there's an idea... oh, you already have that, don't you? Well,
then... YOU DO have a central headquarters... it just isn't in Brooklyn
or in Pennsylvania like it was in C.T.'s time.
Reslight:
> Bible Students believe that all mankind will eventually know Yahweh; they
> are not out to "save" as many of mankind as possible from some eternal doom
> as are the JWs and many other religious groups. God has not given to us the
> ability to make all these things known to the unbelieving world at the
> present time. Even Jesus did not attempt such. (John 12:47,48) It is still
> true that God has sent "them strong delusion, that they should believe a
> lie," (2 Thessalonians 2:11) and "God hath concluded them all in unbelief,
> that he might have mercy upon all." (Romans 11:32)
~~~AW~~~:
Ron, "with all due respect" (Ted Koppel), can't you see what a bunch of
bullshit this is?
Hey ***Stephen... You getting this? God has sent them strong delusion,
that they should believe a lie in order for him to have mercy on all! :)
I love it when in order to justify the total lack of good sense in a
particular MindPrison concept, that there is always some part of the
"MindPrisonManual" to which one can refer to explain the unexplainable.
Reslight:
> For more on this see:
> *Mankind's Course to the Day of Judgment*
> *Understanding Kingdom Mysteries*
> *The Restoration of All Things*
> http://reslight.addr.com
~~~AW~~~:
More "Green Moon Cheese" and URL Worship! :)
Anyway Ron. I want to say that I really have nothing against you
personally. I think that you are probably sincere in your delusion. And
at least you are not termagant or contentious (which is more than I can
say for "some" of the "MindPrisoners" that I have run across).
I can appreciate that you are looking for answers and reasons for the
absurdities of existence. But I also think that you are looking in all
the "wrong" places.
I also know that to ask you what YOU perceive directly to be the order
of things is useless, for you have only that which you have had "put on"
you by the MindPrisonSystem to refer.
And to ask you to look at the existence that you are experiencing and
give a coherent explanation is basically futile, for no universally
accepted explanation exists.
Still, there are some explanantions that are a hell of a lot more
"satisfying and rational" than the one to which you subscribe, though
the one to which you subscribe is about the average considering the
spectrum of choices available.
In my first response to your first post, I mentioned "SOLIPSISM". Did
you have any incentive to inquire into that idea?
Prolly not... for I have noticed that those who would have others
consider their beliefs, generally are not ammenable to doing the same in
return. What ever happened to: "Do unto other what you would have them
do unto you"?
By that I mean, if you recommend that others consider your "MindPrison",
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> I guess I hit a nerve. Bunch of shit pounders.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
Been pounding on you for months now ***Fuckwit! :) Speaking of dog shit,
how is your little retarded son of a fat, ugly slutwhore's diet coming?
lurchc19
>
> lurchc19 wrote:*****
>
> >dirt wrote:
> >>
> >> Are you a mess or what lurchc19?
> >
> > NO? are you dirt?(If so please explain what type of mess you are and
> >
> >how you ended up that way,please.) But first let me introduce myself,
> >
> >I am lurchc19, self proclaimed and honored "Dumbest on the internet" I
> >
> >am a member of the legendary "Dream Team" of alt. solipsism fame.WE do
> >
> >enjoy engaging people in sometime rather spirited "conversations" of
> >
> >mostly non-sensical banter(RIGHT BUTTFACE?)but at times we all can be
> >
> >rather intelligent in our correspondence.
>
> Well lurchc19, I could be wrong but your intelligence appears to be a
> sham, a farce, a put on, or should I say it's rather a put on.
Why would you say that, dirt? What did I write that has you so confused
to the situation at hand? If you knew about the past and the forming of
the dream team on alt. solipsism, I promised to uphold and defend my
honorary title to the best of my ability.No BS no put ons.
>
> Just look 19,
It's lurchc19 if you please.Thank you
it's not enough to be yourself and live with what that
> means, no you've got to be something more,
Something MORE(?) As like what? You act like your about to piss your
pants,but the teacher wont let you go to the restroom.EXPLAIN PLEASE.
so you invent some silly
> crap about being DOTI and part of an elitist dream team of
> bullshitters.
What is so"silly"
That group of people prefer to express their freedom to write all the
"bullshit" their fingers can bang out.I have'nt seen your latest edition
of "Being Serious-The DIRT CHRONICLES" on the Barnes& NOBLE Best Seller
list lately.You seem to be harboring animosity of some magnitude for
some reason, tell me why please. You seem immature also, but that's
life.
> And you expect to be taken serious?
Like a cow pissing on a flat rock!!!
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> Thanks for the compliment, it means a lot coming from a first-rate
> wordsmith.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
You deserve credit where credit is due. At least we both get "A"s for
spelling! :)
~~~AW~~~:
> > Atlas, I must say you are getting pretty good at this! Next thing you
> > know, ***Fuckwit won't be reading or responding to what you say
> > either!
Atlas M. Schacter wrote:
> Yeah, he's already said that's "beneath" him, but I'm sure he still
> reads every word you post so that's as meaningless as the rest of his
> public resolutions.
~~~AW~~~:
I have kind of mixed feeling about that. I used to get the feeling that
he didn't read anything that anyone wrote.
Judi told me that he only reads the first line of a post and because he
can't keep his train of thought from derailing, he just takes off in his
bi-polar blathercasting mode almost instantly.
She said that he was like that in real life too... He gets into a
conversation, and instantly doesn't hear (because he doesn't know how to
listen), what others have to offer because he is too busy thinking up
some ooblegobble to say to impress them that he is somehow special or
profound.
Kind of sad really... We used to say that people like him go no where
because they don't put their mind in gear before popping the clutch on
their mouth! :)
It must be terrible to be such an insecure and infantile retard that one
has to turn out like him. He'd have been a lot better off if they had
just pinched his head off when he was born. It would have saved him and
his family a lot on diapers and baby food, although I suspect he did get
fed out of his didees a lot when he was younger. :)
Atlas M. Schacter wrote:
> SPV reminds me of a computer salesman -- and
> I'm sure you've heard about the the difference between a used car
> salesman and a computer salesman: that's right, the used car salesman at
> least *knows* when he's lying!
~~~AW~~~:
Well, you can always tell when ***Fuckwit is lying, it's whenever he
posts!
Heh heh heh heh.
Atlas M. Schacter wrote:
> Yes, that too! :-)
~~~AW~~~:
LOL!
HAND.
Judi Rhodes
>
> ~~~AW~~~:
> I have kind of mixed feeling about that. I used to get the feeling that
> he didn't read anything that anyone wrote.
>
> Judi told me that he only reads the first line of a post and because he
> can't keep his train of thought from derailing, he just takes off in his
> bi-polar blathercasting mode almost instantly.
>
> She said that he was like that in real life too... He gets into a
> conversation, and instantly doesn't hear (because he doesn't know how to
> listen), what others have to offer because he is too busy thinking up
> some ooblegobble to say to impress them that he is somehow special or
> profound.
> Kind of sad really... We used to say that people like him go no where
> because they don't put their mind in gear before popping the clutch on
> their mouth! :)
>
*********
The thing about Stephen and his type of mental illness is that he only
talks *to* not *with* anyone. It's part of the schitzofrenic behavior
I've been told. Stephen is just like the guy you see walking down the
street talking to himself. He lives in his own world and he only wants
to be heard, he doesn't listen. And the interesting thing is,
that Stephen's biggest gripe with others is that they don't listen.
If you try to have a *conversation* with him, he accuses you of
interrupting.
I hate to say it, I really do, but there is no hope for him.
He can have the sweetest smile, God love him, and he is very generous.
Sad beyond words.
--
Happy Days,
Judi
Atlas M. Schacter
Sounds like that old mirror's up 24/7!
> If you try to have a *conversation* with him, he accuses you of
> interrupting.
> I hate to say it, I really do, but there is no hope for him.
You're probably right, but I'll keep on hovering over that liferaft
until the chopper runs low on gas.
> He can have the sweetest smile,
Psychos can be very charming, that's how they find people to use.
> God love him, and he is very generous.
Too bad he can't find it in that generous heart to love and save
himself.
> Sad beyond words.
>
Yes, only silence tells the tale.
Atlas M. Schacter
Light Touch <spva...@uswest.net> wrote:
> ***********SPV.....Silly stupid and jealous.
This means: "I have a strange attachment to the word 'jealous,' and use
it to explain things whenever I haven't the slightest *clue* what's
going on."
> Need I say more.
This means: I can't think of anything even close to intelligent,
relevant, or effective, so I'll just drop in a phrase at random,
punctuating it incorrectly to remind people how completely inattentive I
am."
> You call me a liar?
If in fact you have any notion of truth and falsehood, you are a liar.
If not, you are a severe nutbudget. Take your pick, bad karma or
deficient mental health.
>Like a woman,
This really means: "I despise women other than as fantasy objects
because my mother is so stupid and loves my brother more than she loves
me."
> like a little kid.
This really means: "I hate the fact that my only son is a twerp being
reared by another man and doesn't believe his deadbeat dad is Captain
Messiah."
> Silly stupid and jealous.
This means: "I have a strange attachment to the word 'jealous,' and use
it to explain things whenever I haven't the slightest *clue* what's
going on."
> > The problem here is that you see what I write as an attack, so you
Light Touch
Look at how I am not even in the picture. She just is writing about herself.
First she says that I talk to and not with anyone. And look she is doing that
right now in this post. And look at this post. Who is she talking too? It's
exactly like she is walking down the street talking to herself. And she
doesn't know. And look at what she is saying, "Sweetest smile, and very
generous yet there is not hope for him? Now is she insane or what. If I met
someone with a sweet smile that was generous how could there be no hope? I
mean, if I saw a person with a sweet smile and who was a generous human being
why would I even think something is wrong with them, and yet no hope?
What to think? Does she have all her nuts and bolts? I don't think so.
>
> *********
> The thing about Stephen and his type of mental illness is that he only
> talks *to* not *with* anyone. It's part of the schitzofrenic behavior
> I've been told. Stephen is just like the guy you see walking down the
> street talking to himself. He lives in his own world and he only wants
> to be heard, he doesn't listen. And the interesting thing is,
> that Stephen's biggest gripe with others is that they don't listen.
> If you try to have a *conversation* with him, he accuses you of
> interrupting.
> I hate to say it, I really do, but there is no hope for him.
Light Touch
themselves. Talk about the mirror effect. And it's true, most of the time
just a sentance is all I need to read to understand the depth of your
stupidity. As to the rest that's just them talking about themselves. How can
they know me? How to know someone ten times as smart.
Judi Rhodes wrote:
> ~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:
> >
>
> > ~~~AW~~~:
> > I have kind of mixed feeling about that. I used to get the feeling that
> > he didn't read anything that anyone wrote.
> >
> > Judi told me that he only reads the first line of a post and because he
> > can't keep his train of thought from derailing, he just takes off in his
> > bi-polar blathercasting mode almost instantly.
> >
> > She said that he was like that in real life too... He gets into a
> > conversation, and instantly doesn't hear (because he doesn't know how to
> > listen), what others have to offer because he is too busy thinking up
> > some ooblegobble to say to impress them that he is somehow special or
> > profound.
> > Kind of sad really... We used to say that people like him go no where
> > because they don't put their mind in gear before popping the clutch on
> > their mouth! :)
> >
Light Touch
bullshit. Yes the mirror is up 24/7 and as you notice they are attacking
me. Like a pack of dogs. What do I do to get them to attack. And all this
time you are telling me I am bi-polar? Only the frightened attack. Only
those afraid attack. Otherwise why bother?
"Atlas M. Schacter" wrote:
> In article <399366...@cruzio.com>,
> Sounds like that old mirror's up 24/7!
>
> > If you try to have a *conversation* with him, he accuses you of
> > interrupting.
> > I hate to say it, I really do, but there is no hope for him.
>
> You're probably right, but I'll keep on hovering over that liferaft
> until the chopper runs low on gas.
>
> > He can have the sweetest smile,
>
> Psychos can be very charming, that's how they find people to use.
>
> > God love him, and he is very generous.
>
> Too bad he can't find it in that generous heart to love and save
> himself.
>
> > Sad beyond words.
> >
> Yes, only silence tells the tale.
>
Light Touch
claiming. Look why I say silly stupid and jealous.
You say "this means" and I have asked repeatedly to give examples. Why
does it mean this??? You see my point. Your logic is faulty because you
can't back it up with example or real life experience.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> Who gives a shit? Russell was and is and always shall be a
> non-event. Who gives a shit what he said or thought. He was a joke.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
Dear Ron Day,
This post is from Stephen Paul Vanier (this NG's bi-polar Messiah,
affectionately known as ***Fuckwit, ButtFace, VanieralDisease, and other
"terms of endearment" too numerous to mention).
You don't have to take what he says too "seriously serious" for while he
has a sweet smile and is generous, he doesn't have all his marbles.
It isn't that he's a can short of a six-pack, it's that he doesn't have
the little plastic "thingie" to hold them all together.
Please accept my apologies for his crassness, I'll try to get the leash
back on him and return him to his padded cage just as soon as the Drano
that he snorted wears off.
Hope you are well. Thanks for you indulgence.
Have a nice day.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> Who gives a shit? Russell was and is and always shall be a
> non-event. Who gives a shit what he said or thought. He was a joke.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
Can you give us an example? :)
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> The thing about Stephen and his type of mental illness is that he only
> talks *to* not *with* anyone.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
This is a malfunction common among those who are an enchilada short of a
combination plate.
Judi Rhodes wrote:
> It's part of the schitzofrenic behavior I've been told.
~~~AW~~~:
HAY! I think I see his problem... he has a mis-spelled mental illness!
It is all become clear to me now! :)
Judi Rhodes wrote:
> Stephen is just like the guy you see walking down the
> street talking to himself. He lives in his own world and he only wants
> to be heard, he doesn't listen.
~~~AW~~~:
There is a guy here in Onalaska like that! He is known as the town
idiot!
Judi Rhodes wrote:
> And the interesting thing is, that Stephen's biggest gripe with others is that
> they don't listen.
~~~AW~~~:
What goes round comes round!
Judi Rhodes wrote:
> If you try to have a *conversation* with him, he accuses you of
> interrupting.
~~~AW~~~:
Conversation interruptus? :)
Judi Rhodes wrote:
> I hate to say it, I really do, but there is no hope for him.
~~~AW~~~:
Oh no, people have many hopes for ***Fuckwit... It's just that what they
are hoping for him isn't anything that he like.
Judi Rhodes wrote:
> He can have the sweetest smile, God love him, and he is very generous.
> Sad beyond words.
~~~AW~~~:
Yep, exactly like our town idiot.
> --
> Happy Days,
> Judi
> http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htm
Anyway Judi, I heard on the news last night that crime is dropping like
a rock! I also heard that the prison population is rising like a rocket.
The though occurs to me that Just as soon as EVERYONE IS incarcerated,
there will be no crime! :)
Isn't that a cheery thought? :)
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
16:55 and found that it didn't get there totally. So I am reposting it.
Hope this makes it intact!]
Worshipers".
Reslight:
~~~AW~~~:
Oh contrare!
Either way...
~~~AW~~~:
What? No Barnes&Noble?
you should accept the propositon that you are recommending to yourself
that you should as seriously consider their "MindPrison".
I have no illusions that SOLIPSISM is but another "MindPrison", but
there is a difference. It is a minimum security facility and I'm the
only one in it!!! :) (I belly laugh!!!)
C'mon Tiresias... say SOMETHING!!!!! :)
Anyway Ron... I enjoy our talks... I'd like to hear more from you
personally and less from your URLs, but... who am I to tell you what to
do?
Without seeming to pry, what can you tell us about the "behind the
scenes" situation with the "Bible Students"? I know that, at which your
websites are getting, but you and I both know that they are not the
story behind the story!
Still too, I know that this is probably too much to ask. For to tell how
the MindPrison is run reveals too much to the inmates... And that might
make it possible for them to find a way out. Wouldn't want that to
happen, would we?
Oh well... write back if you like. I just love frank discussion, and so
does earnest (no Gnaustica, that is not the Gallo Brothers!)
Hope you are well, HAND!
Judi Rhodes
>
> ***********SPV....
> When you are this far beyond logic, then not
> much can be done, basically you may be too stupid to help.
>
Give us an example. :-)
Light Touch
enough of your stupidity? Old woman, dying alone, feeling alone, and
old ugly tumor of rumor.
Judi Rhodes wrote:
> Light Touch wrote:
> >
> > ***********SPV....
> > When you are this far beyond logic, then not
> > much can be done, basically you may be too stupid to help.
> >
lurchc19
>
> ************SPV......I guess I hit a nerve. Bunch of shit pounders.
Stevie,Stevie,Stevie!! I am truly taken aback by this seemingly
malicious attack on me.Although I do enjoy an enjoyable bubblebath now
and then,this Keltic ritual of "pounding shit" is foreign to my daily
chores.You must be thinking of Allison.
> lurchc19 wrote:
>
> > Light Touch wrote:
> > >
> > > **********SPV....You can't claim that the other person is angry. This
> > > pervert couldn't pound shit into a rat hole. Well I guess that's wrong
> > > because he has Lurch to pound shit into.
> >
> > HEY BUTTFACE! I ASKED YOU BEFORE, DON'T INCLUDE ME IN THE ALLISON
> >
> > ATTACK! MAYBE I NEED TO VISIT BOULDER AND TAKE YOU ON A MOUNTAIN RIDE!
> >
> > REMEMBER-1st ACCIDENT 1969, 2nd ACCIDENT 2000,3rd ACCIDENT ??????
> >
> > You have to act angry to be
> > > mirroring anger. They are really stupid people. They do know how to use the
> > > spellchecker though. I guess they get an "A" in spelling.
> > >
> > > dirt wrote:
> > >
> > > > No Allison, the words may have been borrowed but everything you said
> > > > was from your own fuckwitted mind.
> > > >
> > > > ~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
> > > >
> > > > >dirt wrote:
> > > > >> Wrong Allison, I'm not angry, not even a little itty bitty bit. Life
> > > > >> taught me long ago to recognize assholes, and the fact that I finger
> > > > >> you out as an asshole doesn't automatically mean I am angry. But your
> > > > >> reaction tells it all doesn't it.
> > > > >
> > > > >~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
> > > > >Everything I said in my reply to you was a quote from ***fuckwit! :)
> > > > >
> > > > >> And I quote you "It is the mirror effect. Dirt, you see in my posts
> > > > >> what you hate most in yourself and that is what you are so angry
> > > > >> about."
> > > > >> Wrong again Allison. You are no mirror, there is only the promoting
> > > > >> of Allison's perspective in your response to me, nothing of me. But
> > > > >> I don't think for a moment that you will see it any way other than
> > > > >> YOUR way, after all, aren't you the magnificent expression of the
> > > > >> megaloden itself?
> > > > >~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
> > > > >Everything I said in my reply to you was a quote from ***fuckwit! :)
> > > > >
> > > > >> What you don't like is that someone is fucking up your vendetta
> > > > >> against Light Touch. Dirt is saying that Light Touch is worth
> > > > >> listening to, and you can't let this slide. So you must attack me to
> > > > >> maintain your stance against him. And if this means that you must
> > > > >> disparage people you don't even know as a means to maintain your
> > > > >> assault the so be it. The mark of an asshole. But then maybe it's a
> > > > >> little to early in the game to finalize such impressions. Time will
> > > > >> tell.
> > > > >~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
> > > > >Everything I said in my reply to you was a quote from ***fuckwit! :)
> > > > >
> > > > >Heh heh heh heh.
Judi Rhodes
>
>>
> Too bad he can't find it in that generous heart to love and save
> himself.
>
Bingo!
Stephen, you asshole, you're ass has been sufficiently kicked so many
times I can't even count, so knock it off would you? Is this your idea
of a good time, having people shake their heads in disbelief, disgust
and end up with nothing but pity for you?
And don't even think about trying to turn this around on me or anybody
else, your game is over. Last call.
Atlas M. Schacter
Light Touch <spva...@uswest.net> wrote:
> *******SPV......Now look....I asked you to give examples.
Only another nutbag would take instruction for a nutbag.
> And you are still claiming.
Yes, and your postings -- including this one -- provide the
corroborating "examples." Keep it up!
> Look why I say silly stupid and jealous.
You do that because you're too deeply asleep to do anything except
repeat stuff you've read or heard from the "Masters" you imitate like a
badly programmed robot.
>
> You say "this means" and I have asked repeatedly to give examples.
> Why does it mean this???
The context of your own postings illuminates the meaning, it's self
evident to virtually anyone except you -- that's the effect of your
"beam."
> You see my point. Your logic is faulty because you
> can't back it up with example or real life experience.
The self evident does not require logical exposition -- you don't have
to prove that snow is white and you don't have to prove that Stephen
Paul Vanier is a thoroughly deluded, uttterly mediocre man operating
under the disease-driven impression that he is someone extremely rare
and special, a so-called "Messiah" or "Master." This lavish self-image
is belied time and time again in his own words.
Btw, rabbi ([c]2000 by "gj"), Montana continues to burn like never
before, why can't you "do" something about it instead of futilely
engaging little old me in defense of your bloated, pus-oozing ego? As I
recall, you've already declared responding to me "beneath you," but you
just can't help yourself, can you? Can't have that precious self-image
demolished without attempting to build it up again, no matter how sadly
weak -- and your reactions are getting weaker by the day -- that attempt
turns out to be. Don't worry, your energy will return with a vengeance
(local womenfolk beware!) when you get back to the up slope of your
bipolar cycle. Just remember: you *can* be helped!
[snip]
Atlas M. Schacter
jarh...@cruzio.com wrote:
> Atlas M. Schacter wrote:
> >
> >>
> > Too bad he can't find it in that generous heart to love and save
> > himself.
> >
> ******
> Bingo!
Thanks -- there's a big difference between rightful self-love and
delusion as a headlong escape from self-loathing, which is what we see
in the words of SPV.
>
> Stephen, you asshole, your ass has been sufficiently kicked so many
> times I can't even count, so knock it off would you?
He can't, just like he can't help trying to defend his self-image
against any "attack" from me, even though he's already stated that
that's "beneath" him.
> Is this your idea
> of a good time, having people shake their heads in disbelief, disgust
> and end up with nothing but pity for you?
Ah, but his "beam" prevents him from seeing all that. Even "gj" pities
him behind a thin facade of faux respect for the "rabbi ([c]2000 by
"gj")."
> And don't even think about trying to turn this around on me or anybody
> else, your game is over. Last call.
>
Yup, the jig is up and the guy doesn't even know it, he still tries to
win with schoolboy rhetorical tricks as if the mess he's made of himself
is some kind of prize to be defended at all costs. Like Morgen used to
say, he's like "The Black Knight" in "Monty Python and The Holy Grail,"
limbless and bleeding all over the ground while still playing the tough
warrior, spoiling for a fight. Cleopatra may have ruled Egypt, but SPV
is certainly The King Of Denial!
Light Touch
what makes you think I can't save myself. I give examples of your
jealousy, you aren't saved, you are always sinning even against me. I
show you this as an example. What is you example to me???? Atlas it
isn't enough to state someone can't save themself. In fact, only I can
save myself, only you can save yourself. It's just the way it is. And
look at what the idiot Judas writes.
>
> Bingo!*******8SPV...Judi you ever win at bingo?
>
> Stephen, you asshole, you're ass has been sufficiently kicked so many
> times I can't even count, so knock it off would you?
*********SPV.....Says you. And I have proven beyond anyone's doubt that
you simply don't know. Here you are again claiming something without the
slightest proof. In fact, I have just destroyed one asshole boyfriend
after the other you go seek out to try and ruin me. Just one after the
other. For example, look at how brucie doesn't post here anymore. Just
one after the other.
> Is this your idea
> of a good time, having people shake their heads in disbelief, disgust
> and end up with nothing but pity for you?
*********SPV.....Judi I don't know people don't do that for me. But they
do for you. You tell us what's it like have people shake their heads in
disbelief, disgust and end up with nothing but pity for you. Like your
friends behind your back when you are claiming to be the Messiah and
Jesus' heir to his throne? Even your kids were shaking their heads behind
your back.
>
> And don't even think about trying to turn this around on me or anybody
> else, your game is over. Last call.
***********SPV....Turn it around? I don't accept. So where else is it to
go? If I don't accept it can only fall back on you. You have to remember
you are attacking me out of the clear blue. Look at the post. I am
saying nothing of your fear of being alone, of your fear of dying alone,
of your guilt and shame for being an ugly liar. Nothing at all, I could
but why bother, you have all our pity as it is.
Why you think the police and the Secret Service would not call you back at
the end of you lies? None of them would. I remember you writing as much
to the pervert. Why not have a talk, a heart to heart with him, and try
and understand your lying, your own sickness before you come to clean up
my house. Pluck the beam from thy own eye before you work on the splinter
in my eye.
Light Touch
nothing. You can't give an example because you don't have one. I asked you
to be honest and you can't do it can you.
"Atlas M. Schacter" wrote:
> In article <39935CCE...@uswest.net>,
> Light Touch <spva...@uswest.net> wrote:
>
> > *******SPV......Now look....I asked you to give examples.
>
> Only another nutbag would take instruction for a nutbag.
>
> > And you are still claiming.
>
> Yes, and your postings -- including this one -- provide the
> corroborating "examples." Keep it up!
>
> > Look why I say silly stupid and jealous.
>
> You do that because you're too deeply asleep to do anything except
> repeat stuff you've read or heard from the "Masters" you imitate like a
> badly programmed robot.
> >
> > You say "this means" and I have asked repeatedly to give examples.
> > Why does it mean this???
>
> The context of your own postings illuminates the meaning, it's self
> evident to virtually anyone except you -- that's the effect of your
> "beam."
>
> > You see my point. Your logic is faulty because you
> > can't back it up with example or real life experience.
>
> The self evident does not require logical exposition -- you don't have
> to prove that snow is white and you don't have to prove that Stephen
> Paul Vanier is a thoroughly deluded, uttterly mediocre man operating
> under the disease-driven impression that he is someone extremely rare
> and special, a so-called "Messiah" or "Master." This lavish self-image
> is belied time and time again in his own words.
>
> Btw, rabbi ([c]2000 by "gj"), Montana continues to burn like never
> before, why can't you "do" something about it instead of futilely
> engaging little old me in defense of your bloated, pus-oozing ego? As I
> recall, you've already declared responding to me "beneath you," but you
> just can't help yourself, can you? Can't have that precious self-image
> demolished without attempting to build it up again, no matter how sadly
> weak -- and your reactions are getting weaker by the day -- that attempt
> turns out to be. Don't worry, your energy will return with a vengeance
> (local womenfolk beware!) when you get back to the up slope of your
> bipolar cycle. Just remember: you *can* be helped!
>
> >
> [snip]
Light Touch
do is make me look smart and yourself stupid. You never have any proof or
give an example so it all childish claims. And who gives a shit what you
think? You are jealous and you can't stand who I am. You can't stand it
just like Jesus' peers and the elders of the Jews couldn't stand Jesus.
What was his crime but their own jealousy. They were a victim of their
unconscious mind as you are a victim of your unconscious mind. So I say
again, who gives a shit what you think? Thoughts are like fluff and come
and go and don't mean anything. And you can't do anything so why should
anyone entertain anything you say?
"Atlas M. Schacter" wrote:
> In article <399418...@cruzio.com>,
> jarh...@cruzio.com wrote:
> > Atlas M. Schacter wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > > Too bad he can't find it in that generous heart to love and save
> > > himself.
> > >
> > ******
> > Bingo!
>
> Thanks -- there's a big difference between rightful self-love and
> delusion as a headlong escape from self-loathing, which is what we see
> in the words of SPV.
> >
> > Stephen, you asshole, your ass has been sufficiently kicked so many
> > times I can't even count, so knock it off would you?
>
> He can't, just like he can't help trying to defend his self-image
> against any "attack" from me, even though he's already stated that
> that's "beneath" him.
>
> > Is this your idea
> > of a good time, having people shake their heads in disbelief, disgust
> > and end up with nothing but pity for you?
>
> Ah, but his "beam" prevents him from seeing all that. Even "gj" pities
> him behind a thin facade of faux respect for the "rabbi ([c]2000 by
> "gj")."
>
> > And don't even think about trying to turn this around on me or anybody
> > else, your game is over. Last call.
> >
> Yup, the jig is up and the guy doesn't even know it, he still tries to
> win with schoolboy rhetorical tricks as if the mess he's made of himself
> is some kind of prize to be defended at all costs. Like Morgen used to
> say, he's like "The Black Knight" in "Monty Python and The Holy Grail,"
> limbless and bleeding all over the ground while still playing the tough
> warrior, spoiling for a fight. Cleopatra may have ruled Egypt, but SPV
> is certainly The King Of Denial!
>
Light Touch
guys here at alt.slopism. At the pervert and at you Judi, they agree with me
that you are only talking about yourself. So why not read what you wrote and
know you were looking into the mirror. Life is hell for you, isn't it? But I
can't even find pity to pity you because of course I saw your act and you
deserve the bullshit you endure. Enjoy......Hehehehehahahahahahahahehehaha
Light Touch
to a shrink to feel better about yourself. I'm just reporting what Atlas said
when I said I had a cold and was not in the mood to write. Same as you???? I am
just reporting, and I must add that this was not my experience. I am just a
newspaper man reporting what silly facts I can to make the bi-line.
dirt wrote:
> Thanks for the thoughtful post Allison, sorry I didn't reply sooner
> but I was under the weather for a day. All is well now though.
>
> ~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
>
> >dirt wrote:
> >~~~AllisonWonderland~~~ wrote:*****
> >> >Dirt, You make me chuckle! :)
> >
> >Dirt wrote:
> >> Chuckling is good.
> >
> >~~~AW~~~:
> >I do a lot of it. In print it looks like ":)" and "Heh heh heh heh".
> >
> >Dirt:
> >> Yes but are the seriously serious really serious enough?
> >
> >~~~AW~~~:
> >Sure!
> >
> >> Why stop there, let's go for the really very seriously serious serious?
> >
> >~~~AW~~~:
> >Them too! :)
> >
> >Dirt:
> >> Are you suggesting that Light Touch can be as pompous and arrogant as
> >> you can be?
> >
> >~~~AW~~~:
> >When it comes to evincing any attitude, I doubt that anyone can exceed
> >me, but the difference is: That I do it merely as a thing to do, not as
> >the way I am.
>
> I would say there is no difference between the things we do and the
> way we are. I know many people who think of themselves one way yet
> behave very differently, and when confronted there is always some
> plausible explanation waiting in the wings to justify everything.
>
> So I'm sure I am interpreting your meaning different from what was
> intended. So I'll just ask, how are the things that you do different
> from the way that you are?
> >
> >Stephen isn't pompous and arrogant as a thing to do. Stephen does it
> >because he is really that way.
>
> And you know this how? And this isn't asked in defense of Light
> Touch, who seems to need no outside support anyway, but I ask because
> it is difficult for anyone to know such things about themselves much
> less someone else.
> >
> >I suspect that he might experience those moments when he questions the
> >validity of his claims and actions, but I also suspect that he is so
> >occluded that he is unable to, by reason of his pomposity and arrogance,
> >to answer those question objectively or act on his question of validity
> >because his pomposity and arrogance won't let him, and his SuperEgo is
> >so deficient that it is unable to influence him to exercise good
> >judgement.
>
> Thanks for being honest, suspicion is guesswork and what mature human
> being would expect others to take as fact what is only supposition.
> >
> >Dirt:
> >> or that he is these things and you are not?
> >
> >~~~AW~~~:
> >Like I said, Stephen is pompous and arrogant due to his unjustifiable
> >elevated opinion of himself. I CAN be pompous and arrogant, but it is a
> >difficult act of willing myself to be so. It doesn't come naturally for
> >me, like it does for him. And there is one other difference...
>
> All people are pompous and arrogant, anything otherwise would be
> manipulative presentation. Oh, and I'm having a little difficulty
> swallowing this 'difficult act of willing' thing, maybe if you put a
> little verbal-mayo on it the swallow would find it's way.
> >
> >I have something for which I am justified to be pompous and arrogant,
> >Stephen doesn't! (Just kidding!) :) (again I chuckle)
>
> Now this I have got to hear.
> >
> >Dirt:
> >> Heh heh heh... quickly becomes hackneyed as does buttface name
> >> calling. It's not the seriously serious attitude you mentioned above
> >> so in what way do these few deserve to dish out what is deserved?
> >
> >~~~AW~~~:
> >Lurch does it out of mischieviousness and wanting to join in.
>
> Then shame on Lurch. First things first Lurch, now see what you've
> done, here I am talking to you in the middle of a post to Allison, and
> you probably figured this bad habit of yours wouldn't touch anyone.
> >
> >Atlas averrs that he is doing it out of "love" for Stephen and for those
> >who might be led astray by Stephen.
> >
> >Judi does it because Stephen beat the shit out of her and this is her
> >way of not letting him get away with beating on her that easily.
> >
> >My motives are probably a bit more complex and manifold than any of the
> >above.
> >Like Eric, am interested in the reactions.
>
> I think you take a degree of pleasure in being a bit more complex and
> manifold than most.
> >
> >Like Atlas, am interested in seeing who can be dissuaded from being
> >taken in by Stephen's bullshit.
>
> A duplication of interest. :]
> >
> >Like Judy, am interested in letting Stephen know that what he does will
> >not go unimpeded, that no one can stop him from doing what he is doing,
> >but that it comes at a price, not to my profit but at his expense.
>
> A duplication of interest. :]
> >
> >Like Lurch, also enjoy a bit of mischievious intrigue.
>
> A duplication of interest. :]
> >
> >And even this is not the whole of it.
>
> Is anything ever?
> >
> >Your perception in another post of what I do being a "vendetta" was
> >valid, and if you would like to know about that, it is not something
> >that I would be averse to discussing.
> >
> >But even that is not the whole of it. As I said in my post to which you
> >responded:
> >
> >> > I do the same because he is not only pompous and arrogant, but because
> >> > he is a bastard, a mother fucker, a pervert, a braggart, a deluded son
> >> > of a bitch, an asshole, a retard, a free loader and ugly to boot. He has
> >> > this elevated opinion of himself. He can dish it out but he can't take
> >> > it. I have kicked his ass so many times that it has become tiresome to
> >> > those who read it. And still he is a a bastard, a mother fucker, a
> >> > pervert, a braggart, a deluded son of a bitch, an asshole, a retard, and
> >> > ugly to boot. He has this elevated opinion of himself. He can dish it
> >> > out but he can't take it.
> >
> >And EVEN THAT is not the whole of it...
>
> Then let me ask, what is the whole of it?
> >
> >Dirt:
> >> And then you take a shoot gun approach in taking him out.
> >
> >~~~AWWW~~~:
> >Naaaaa, you really think so? I don't even own a "shoot gun"! :)
>
> Yes you do, and yes I do.
> >
> >Dirt:
> >> Anyone in his general direction is fair game and deserves some buckshot
> >> themselves.
> >
> >~~~AW~~~:
> >Naaaaa, you really think so? I don't think that just because someone is
> >"in his general direction" that that person is "fair game"...
>
> This is how it seems from here.
> >
> >I think that anyone who posts to a NG is fair game! Including me! It all
> >comes
> >under that old Truman aphorism, "If you can't stand the heat, stay out
> >of the
> >kitchen."
>
> Well this isn't alt.kitchen.heat as you know. And simply because you
> are willing to take on the same load of heated bullshit you enjoy
> dishing out is not a reason for dishing it out. Or so it seems from
> here.
> >
> >Dirt:
> >> And this leads to you saying very stupid and disgusting things about people
> >> you know nothing about.
> >
> >~~~AW~~~:
> >At the risk of sounding like Stephen, might I ask you to provide me with
> >an example of me saying "stupid and disgusting things" about anyone
> >other than Stephen? For I'm sure that if I have, there had to be a
> >reason.
>
> Accusing me of kissing Light Touches ass and calling my ex-wife a
> stupid cunt immediately comes to mind.
> >
> >The only other thing that I would like to say about that, is that
> >sometimes I may wax "stupid and disgusting" but only in the same manner
> >as I may sometimes wax "pompous and arrogant", which is, as a strategy
> >in the game of contentious communications. You see, Stephen likes to
> >push people's buttons. He enjoys the reactions that he gets. He has
> >tried, is trying, and will try to push my buttons, but he has never been
> >able to find them. I on the other hand have pushed, am pushing and will
> >push Stephen's buttons for I know what they are and his reactions prove
> >it. Like I said, he can dish it out, but he isn't very good at having it
> >done back to him. He is a pompous and arrogant winner, and a bad and
> >sore loser. And it is obvious that if he can't win ALL the time, he
> >won't play, as evidenced by his sore loser attitude when it comes to the
> >little games that he and I have played.
>
> Understood. But you seem reckless and driven in your waxing so I
> question it. And in questioning it I think you should question it as
> well.
> >
> >Dirt:
> >> But you have shown you can dish it out and you've shown no one's
> >> interested in dishing the same back to you.
> >
> >~~~AW~~~:
> >Again Dirt, this is what I mean when I say: "You ARE new around here,
> >aren't you?" For if you weren't (or at least acting like you weren't),
> >you would know about all those who HAVE shown interest in dishing it
> >back to me. Ask Judi, or Lurch, or Bruce, or anyone else about the
> >WOOPOOSCHOOTANFODGES that have gone on between such illustrious netizens
> >as: Gnaustica, BirdTribe, Saivannie, BobGreer, AndreaChen, and other
> >minor skirmishes with many of which I cannot remember the names. It is
> >like being a gunfighter. And such as Awetoss and Judi and Eric have all
> >done their part in actually promoting these little flamewars just to see
> >what it is like to watch some highly competent writers go at each other.
>
> Histories don't really interest me. What someone was may not be what
> they are. I tend to deal with what is before me as it is before me.
> >
> >One of my most enjoyable instances was a little World Wrestling
> >Federation type match with Randy Lee Blain, the "MightBirdTribe" VS
> >~~~AllisonWonderland~~~, "The Megalodon". It was fun, fun, fun, and in
> >the end we were still as friendly as HulkHogan and RandySavage.
> >
> >Another one was with Gnaustica, and that is where the vendetta against
> >Stephen came in. I won't go into it here, but it is an interesting story
> >for those interested in such things.
> >
> >Dirt:
> >> So I'm wondering if there's a third act and curtain call anywhere in this
> >> play of yours.
> >
> >~~~AW~~~:
> >We are way past the third act! More like going into the 13th round of a
> >Heavyweight Championship of the World Boxing Match... And this is not
> >the first, nor is it going to be the last. this just happens to be one
> >of the thing I enjoy doing. Not everyone enjoys doing this, not everyone
> >enjoys seeing this. Everyone doesn't like something. Still just because
> >one does not like boxing or wrestling doesn't mean that the boxers and
> >wrestlers have to stop doing it.
>
> I know that wrestling is scripted (not discounting the physical abuse
> involved in the script). But still it is an agreement between all
> participants. Now if Light Touch and you have such an agreement then
> I have been taken in, but I doubt this is the case.
> >
> >I don't happen to like RapMusic (isn't that an oxymoron?) so I just
> >don't listen to it, but if you do like Rap, who am I to try to stop you
> >from listening to it.
>
> Agreed, but if I go to a local park to listen to the river and watch
> the clouds and a car pulls up with Rap at full volume who is out of
> line?
> >
> >And before you try to apply that principle to my thing with Stephen, let
> >me remind you if you do know, or inform you if you don't, that Stephen
> >came to <alt.solipsism> to attack me in the first place. I didn't go
> >after him... He came after me... What you are seeing is the result of
> >THAT! I'm on his ass, he is learning that the fight didn't start when I
> >hit him back! :)
>
> So now I will tell you a story from my past.
>
> My cousin and I were outside of a store, we were both in our early to
> middle teens and a car drove up and these two guys got out, both in
> their early twenties.
>
> One of the guys looked over at my cousin and said 'hey, what the fuck
> you looking at?', and my cousin said 'not much.'. Now the guy took
> this wrong and the next thing I know he came over and pushed my cousin
> up against the side of the building.
>
> One thing led to another and my cousin and this guy got into it. My
> cousin got knocked down and as he was trying to get up this asshole
> kicks him right in the face. And as my cousin tried to get up he was
> kicked him again, and again. And then I saw the blood.
>
> I looked at my cousin and BLOOD was ALL OVER his face. I didn't know
> it at the time but this guy had ripped my cousins face from his mouth
> to his ear. I didn't know what to do but I knew my cousin was hurt
> bad and if it was to stop I had to do something.
>
> Now I was 14 and my cousin was 17. And I knew that this guy could
> just kick my ass good, but I also knew my cousin was in trouble. So I
> jumped the guy and knocked him off balance, then I went into a boxing
> dance calling the guy every chicken shit name I could think of.
>
> I threatened him, 'come on you son-of-a-bitch, try that shit with me
> you mother fucker.' And the guy dropped his interest in my cousin and
> came after me.
>
> Now what is really odd is that I danced all around this guy and he
> couldn't touch me, I just kept control of our distance. And if he
> started back toward my cousin I moved in close enough to draw him
> back, but he was never able to touch me.
>
> My actions allowed my cousin to get up and get out of the way. I got
> him home and my folks got him to the hospital for stitches. So in the
> presence of danger I became other than my regular self, and in the
> absence of that danger that role fell away.
>
> (...snipage...)
>
> >Hope you are well. Let's resolve to do our best at sincere
> >communication. OK?
>
> Agreed.
> >
> >HAND
Light Touch
gives a shit?" I am asking you a question, I am not reacting like you do, I
am asking you a real question. "Who gives a shit?"
"Atlas M. Schacter" wrote:
> In article <39941A3A...@uswest.net>,
> Light Touch <spva...@uswest.net> wrote:
>
> > ******SPV....You can claim anything you want.
>
> Thank you for your permission, oh Kings Of Kings.
>
> > Claim all you want.
>
> I heard you the first time -- having a brain burp? I didn't think you
> had it in you -- the requisite number of operational neurons, that is.
>
> > All you do is make me look smart and yourself stupid.
>
> Nice attempt at the Nixonian tactic of "declared" victory, you tried
> that with Morgen when he kicked your ass and it didn't work then either.
>
> > You never have any proof or
> > give an example so it all childish claims.
>
> You still operating under the delusion that you get to make the rules
> when actually there are no rules.
>
> > And who gives a shit what you think?
>
> You do, that's why you can't stop reacting despite the fact that you've
> announced that it's "beneath" you. You are a liar and hypocrite by your
> own stated criteria.
>
> > You are jealous and
>
> There you go again with "jealous" -- I repeat for the umpteenth time,
> what the heck I'm I supposedly "jealous" of about you?
>
> > you can't stand who I am.
>
> Well, that's true enough, but it's also true of everyone who's ever
> known you.
>
> > You can't stand it
> > just like Jesus' peers and the elders of the Jews couldn't stand
> Jesus.
>
> The difference is that Jesus was beloved by multitudes for his
> undeniable authenticity and indefatigable, constant love. You're a
> non-event despised by virtually anyone who's ever gotten to know you
> because of your indefatigable egotism and reflexive disdain for anyone
> who will not "bow down." All the examples anyone could ever ask for are
> in the Deja archives, although there are more enough in this very
> thread. Jesus was a good man unjustly treated as a criminal. You are a
> duly and justly convicted criminal ransacking Jesus' life story just to
> prop up your precious little ego.
>
> > What was his crime but their own jealousy.
>
> That may have been his story, but it's not yours. Nobody wants to
> crucify a mentally ill non-event, but those few who love you despite
> your unwillingness to care for yourself do want you to obtain help.
> There is no "jealousy" in such love, no intent to harm or compete.
>
> > They were a victim of their
> > unconscious mind as you are a victim of your unconscious mind.
>
> My modest effort here is entirely conscious, there is no ambition to
> displace you as the loudest (and most incoherent) voice on this little
> rat hole of a newsgroup. If you bow out to tend to your illness, Al
> Schacter will not post here until/unless you return singing the same
> dissonant song of delusion. You can call that "unconscious" until
> you're blue in the face, but just as with your "jealousy" obsession
> you'll just add to the prodigious total of times you've been woefully
> wrong.
>
> > So I say again, who gives a shit what you think?
>
> ...and I repeat, *you* do -- if you didn't, you wouldn't react so
> predictably to every single post of mine. That, my poor sick friend, is
> *truly* "unconscious."
>
> > Thoughts are like fluff and come and go and don't mean anything.
>
> True enough, thought has stark limitations. Of course, any time there
> is the use of language there is thought, so everyone on Usenet is
> subject to those limitations if there is to be any communication at all.
>
> > And you can't do anything so why should
> > anyone entertain anything you say?
>
> Perfect -- the mirror's up again! If you can "do," then "do" something
> about the worst wildfires in American history, then maybe I'll
> "entertain" your claim to be special, a "Master" or "Messiah" (even by
> your terminally fucked up idea of what that comprises). Of course you
> can't "do" a thing about anything, so there's no chance of you being
> anything other than either a liar or a nutcase as far as I'm concerned.
dirt
Atlas M. Schacter
lurchc19
Now dirt, I wont stand for such silliness!I cannot take full credit
for that "habit" Don't try and fool me with this apparent change in
mood.Are you sure you're not Eric the terrible?
Atlas M. Schacter
Light Touch <spva...@uswest.net> wrote:
> ***********SPV....Now you are absolutely saying nothing. Again I say,
> "Who gives a shit?" I am asking you a question,
Yeah, I can tell -- this time you managed to remember to use a question
mark.
> I am not reacting like you do,
Liar, your entire thrust in this thread is reactive, a defense of the
"Master" image you wish to project in this backwater newsgroup.
> I am asking you a real question. "Who gives a shit?"
Since you apparently have the attention span of a two-year-old, I will
once again repeat my emphatically "real" answer: *you* give a shit,
otherwise why would you keep reacting to posts that you've stated
publicly are "beneath" you? If I was really "a non-event" and my words
"beneath" you, you'd make a big show of ignoring me while secretly
looking at everything I post, just as you do with Mr. Allison. You
can't help yourself, because you're afraid you'll disappear with the
extinction of the delusional "Master/Messiah" image you attempt to
project here. Without that aspect of your otherwise pitiful excuse for
a life, you'd have to face the facts about who and what you are.
Ironically, that's your one shot at "real" enlightenment and your
ongoing denial of your psychologically and spiritually bereft state is
what's preventing you from being exactly what you currently can
only pretend to be.
dirt
>> >~~~AW~~~:
>> >Lurch does it out of mischieviousness and wanting to join in.
>>
>> Then shame on Lurch. First things first Lurch, now see what you've
>> done, here I am talking to you in the middle of a post to Allison, and
>> you probably figured this bad habit of yours wouldn't touch anyone.
>
> Now dirt, I wont stand for such silliness!I cannot take full credit
>
>for that "habit" Don't try and fool me with this apparent change in
>
>mood.Are you sure you're not Eric the terrible?
I love it, you won't stand for it, now that's funny lurchc19. Oh, and
I'm not Eric the terrible, I'm only dirt and we've never danced
before.
Be well.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~
> I love it, you won't stand for it, now that's funny lurchc19.
~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
I have to tell you the one that I found most humourous. As you may or
may not know, Lurch and I live in the same little EastTexas town. When I
first me Lurch, he and I talked and I found him to be, by dint of his
Marine Training, along with his experience in life, quite an interesting
fellow. I was horrified at his not having any legs, while at the same
time being amazed at his remarkable psychological resiliance and
outlook. The next time that I saw him, I said: "How are things?"
He replied: "I can't kick!"
dirt:
> Oh, and I'm not Eric the terrible, I'm only dirt and we've never danced
> before. Be well.
~~~AW~~~:
Makes me want to go "Hmmmmmmmmmm!"
dirt
>dirt wrote:
>> I love it, you won't stand for it, now that's funny lurchc19.
>
>~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
>I have to tell you the one that I found most humourous. As you may or
>may not know, Lurch and I live in the same little EastTexas town. When I
>first me Lurch, he and I talked and I found him to be, by dint of his
>Marine Training, along with his experience in life, quite an interesting
>fellow. I was horrified at his not having any legs, while at the same
>time being amazed at his remarkable psychological resiliance and
>outlook. The next time that I saw him, I said: "How are things?"
>
>He replied: "I can't kick!"
>
>dirt:
>> Oh, and I'm not Eric the terrible, I'm only dirt and we've never danced
>> before. Be well.
>
>~~~AW~~~:
>Makes me want to go "Hmmmmmmmmmm!"
Hmmm? Now how to say this without any of z-cats getting out of
z-bag... well, lets just say that we encountered at a time.
Hmm, hmm, double fun, life is good if time is one.