HLLT.Irok 10000
Old Boozer
on a floppy disk as a zip file. Tried to send it to them thought there
quarantine system but they won't take a zipped file. I guess they want me to
unzip it on my computer first. I don't think so. I guess I just wanted to
blow off a little steam. I'm sure they have hundreds of copies of it by now.
Goodbye Symantec.
Raid Slam
<Fer...@vrack.com> wrote:
>Goodbye Symantec.
I'm glad to see your ditching that piece of shit software.
Atleast my virus has done some good afterall. :)
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
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Raid Slam <soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> In article <8bn2pv$irl$1...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, "Old Boozer"
> <Fer...@vrack.com> wrote:
>
> >Goodbye Symantec.
>
> I'm glad to see your ditching that piece of shit software.
> Atleast my virus has done some good afterall. :)
>
> Regards,
> Raid [SLAM]
>
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Before you buy.
sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk
soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid (Raid Slam) wrote:
> In article <8bn2pv$irl$1...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, "Old Boozer"
> <Fer...@vrack.com> wrote:
>
> >Goodbye Symantec.
>
> I'm glad to see your ditching that piece of shit software.
> Atleast my virus has done some good afterall. :)
It's very easy for a virus author to knock a piece of software like Norton
Anti-Virus (which clearly isn't as worthless as you'd like to make out),
but it does make us wonder what positive contribution you've made to the
world?
Have you ever written anything as good as Norton Anti-Virus, Raid?
--
Graham Cluley, Head of Corporate Communications, Sophos Anti-Virus
email: gcl...@sophos.com http://www.sophos.com
US Support: +1 888 SOPHOS 9 UK Support: +44 1235 559933
Raid Slam
sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>It's very easy for a virus author to knock a piece of software
>like Norton Anti-Virus
Well of course it is. The product sucks. I know you don't like to
bash your fellow competitors, But.. heh, Norton sucks.
> (which clearly isn't as worthless as you'd like to
>make out), but it does make us wonder what positive contribution
>you've made to the world?
Heh Heh. Nice one Graham. If I told you what I've written on the
legit side, You would have little difficulty in getting my real
identity. And I'm sure you or others (nicky fitz) would love that
info. I'd rather you think I've written viruses all my life (I
haven't..) then to tell you ANYTHING which would cause me any
risk.
>Have you ever written anything as good as Norton Anti-Virus,
>Raid?
Writing a signature scanner with limited comparison if/then (oh
right, your idea of "hueristics" neat...) isn't impossible.
However, I have not speciazied in writing/ripping off customers
with antivirus software. That's your job, and you seem to be
doing a fine job of it.
PaX
Norton
but it does make us wonder what positive contribution you've made to the
world?
Have you ever written anything as good as Norton Anti-Virus, Raid?<<<<<<<<<<
Heya Graham,
Hope you dont mind if I jump in on this one...
I spent many a happy hour reconfiguring PC's that have been rendered almost
unserviceable by "some" anti virus programs and yes Norton has caused its
fair share of those problems.I would add that I have yet to see any problems
caused by your own companies product but hey I guess these things happen.As
to RaiD's programming ability ,I have alos seen and used some of his
Non-Viral programs and find them to be well written and well thought out
pieces of software that are most useful in the intenet they were written.
I would like to note that i'm sure all here would admit that the AVers will
always be playing catchup to the Authors ...some avers catch quicker than
others and some just cause problems and smokescreens to hide their own
follies.Im sure a number of my former collegues would agree that the value
of an AV should be judged by how well it catches the new creations not how
well it deals with the old timers and i feel sure VX would judge by "how
easy to defeat"...in VX scorebooks Im assured by others and from my own
experience that Norton does not rank highly..
Easy way to look at it would be...ask a Virus Writer what they protect their
systems with?
Regards Dalt
Gordon
Raid Slam wrote:
If I told you what I've written on the
> legit side,
I doubt pond scum like you have a legit side
Gordon
Raid Slam
<spir...@direct.ca> wrote:
>I doubt pond scum like you have a legit side
Touchy Touchy Gordon chap, You could be using one of my legit
applications right now, and you wouldn't even know it. Or one of
your legit applications that you bought on a store shelf could be
using a library or an object I wrote. As I said, Viruses is but a
small portion of my programming.
I'll give you a hint, the united states government (an area of
it) also uses some software I've written. Some software is also
published in a computer security book which sells at barns and
noble.com for $200 (theres two chapters in the book devoted to
the program, and the program is included on cd-rom with the book)
And zdnet has some of my software too (4 out of 5 possible stars
can't be bad can it?) <g>
Shouldn't judge a book by it's cover I guess is the point I'm
trying to make Gordon.
LHigdon
Impressive. Now, if you could just rewrite the Windows Operating
System, so that it was more predictable..........you wouldn't need
Regis to become a millionaire.
On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 06:37:37 -0800, Raid Slam
<soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
<snip,snip>
>I'll give you a hint, the united states government (an area of
>it) also uses some software I've written. Some software is also
>published in a computer security book which sells at barns and
>noble.com for $200 (theres two chapters in the book devoted to
>the program, and the program is included on cd-rom with the book)
>
>And zdnet has some of my software too (4 out of 5 possible stars
>can't be bad can it?) <g>
>
<snip again>
Kadabra
> I'll give you a hint, the united states government (an area of
> it) also uses some software I've written. Some software is also
> published in a computer security book which sells at barns and
> noble.com for $200 (theres two chapters in the book devoted to
> the program, and the program is included on cd-rom with the book)
I'll bite -
Was it in this?
"Securing PCs and Data in Libraries and Schools: A Handbook with Menuing, Anti-Virus, and Other Protective Software" By Allen C.
Benson
http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=1555703216
I know - it's only $125.00 but, what's $75 between friends? ;-)
Kadabra
> In article <38E045AE...@direct.ca>, Gordon
> <spir...@direct.ca> wrote:
>
> And zdnet has some of my software too (4 out of 5 possible stars
> can't be bad can it?) <g>
>
And perhaps this is the software?
CybraryN v99.3.0
(Just a guess)
http://hotfiles.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis/swlib/hotfiles/info.html?fcode=000Z6V
Kadabra
******************************************************
***** Once again, this is all just guessing... *******
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
******************************************************
Here is the whois on the domain of the publisher of the above software...
Registrant:
Computers by Design (CBDUSA-DOM)
120 Lake Avenue South
Nesconset, NY 11767-1060
US
Domain Name: CBDUSA.COM
Administrative Contact:
Peterson, Derek (DP3337) pete...@CBDUSA.COM
Computers By Design, Inc.
120 Lake Avenue South
Nesconset, NY 11767-1060
516-724-5000 ext 747 (FAX) 516-724-5001
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Cappuccio, Frank (FC874) c...@CBDUSA.COM
Computers By Design, Inc.
120 Lake Avenue South
Nesconset, NY 11767-1060
516-724-5000 ext 777 (FAX) 516-724-5001
Billing Contact:
Peterson, Derek (DP3337) pete...@CBDUSA.COM
Computers By Design, Inc.
120 Lake Avenue South
Nesconset, NY 11767-1060
516-724-5000 ext 747 (FAX) 516-724-5001
Record last updated on 09-Oct-1999.
Record created on 16-Nov-1995.
Database last updated on 27-Mar-2000 11:52:47 EST.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS.LI.NET 199.171.6.12
NS.STRUCTURED.NET 206.58.0.34
Evelyn
hankie! Big blob of spit and scrub, scrub, scrub all over your face!
Now go away and write a really good program and then come back and tell us
all about it!
Love
Evelyn
<akh...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8bo3nu$b8u$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <0a6752d6...@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com>,
> Raid Slam <soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <8bn2pv$irl$1...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, "Old Boozer"
> > <Fer...@vrack.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Goodbye Symantec.
> >
> > I'm glad to see your ditching that piece of shit software.
> > Atleast my virus has done some good afterall. :)
> >
Randy Abrams
news:8bolkj$124$1...@gxsn.com...
<snip>
> Easy way to look at it would be...ask a Virus Writer what they protect
their
> systems with?
Why bother? Writing a virus does not bestow competence or intellect. Did you
look at Accessiv 1. The author of that little gem tried to write a dropper
and botched an extremely simply DOS command. I've seen many of the
rationalizations used by many virus writers and they lead to the inescapable
conclusion that many virus writers are severely lacking in the field of
intellectual reasoning. Why would I trust the advise of someone who
demonstrates such limited faculties?
Additionally, since so many virus writers strive for fame by having their
virus spread far and wide, why would I trust that they wouldn't try to
induce me to use something that won't catch their virus?
I'm not saying all virus writers are idiots, or would try to steer people
wrong in their choice of products, but it is clear that being a virus writer
does not mean that the person knows how to choose anti-virus software based
upon intellectual thought processes.
The fact is that regardless of quality, in general virus writers will tell
people to avoid product from large corporations just because they are large
corporations. This behavior is not limited to virus writers, but a person
making a decision should keep this aspect in mind when deciding upon a
product.
One final note, the brand new viruses are not the one most people will
typically see. If a virus writer is judging based upon the criteria of does
product x catch this new virus, then perhaps their criteria for "best" is
not identical to what the average user's criteria needs to be.
Regards,
Randy
--
--
The opinions expressed in this message are my own personal views
and do not reflect the official views of the Microsoft Corporation.
Raid Slam
>like Norton Anti-Virus (which clearly isn't as worthless as
>you'd like to make out),
Oh no? :-)
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/irok.trojan.worm.html
Norton does not clean irok. In fact, Norton doesn't even call
irok properly. :-) Norton fails to describe what Irok actually
does, and makes several bogus claims concerning the virus's
ability to corrupt files. As I said, Norton fuckin blows.
Oh and winrde.dll isn't executable, nor infectious. It's a marker
file. The vbs file itself isn't infectious either, it does not
send itself. the irok.exe file located in \windows\command does
not recieve control at any time. It's placed their for the vbs
file convenience only. Norton claims irok is a trojan, Nopers..
It's a virus, oh indeed. Shall I go on? :)
I wonder Graham, How DOES crow taste? :)
Raid Slam
<ab...@fuschia.com> wrote:
>I'll bite -
>Was it in this?
>
>"Securing PCs and Data in Libraries and Schools: A Handbook with
>Menuing, Anti-Virus, and Other Protective Software" By Allen C.
>Benson
Very good young skywalker. :)
>http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=1
>555703216 I know - it's only $125.00 but, what's $75 between
>friends? ;-)
It's come down in price. Last year in august, it was $200, plus
$12.95 for s&h (high way robbery!)
Raid Slam
LoL Raid will do. Slam is the virus group I'm associated with.
>Now go away and write a really good program and then come back
>and tell us all about it!
I did that. Rshack. It is quiet the little campaign editor. But
it's no longer available. Oh, and fyi, I didn't start the irok
discussions; infected users did. :)
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
PaX
typically see. If a virus writer is judging based upon the criteria of does
product x catch this new virus, then perhaps their criteria for "best" is
not identical to what the average user's criteria needs to be.<<<<<<
Valid point Randy,
However todays new viruses are all set to become
tomorrows problem,but I agree that form is more likely to pay a user a visit
than say Inta or Prejudice however who is to say that the above two will not
become a problem in the future?
It was in this context I was commenting on AV products,look at it with the
authors black hat on (quote Dr Solly)
If i can defeat a well known AV product with 6 or less lines of code then
how valuable is that product to the end user?.
I agree that some VXers hate big companies without much of a reason other
than just the finances involved,I've often heard of the flaws in Micro$ofts
opp systems but hey Billy is still the worlds richest man so I guess hes got
something right..=].
A nice GUI may lue the user into thinking they are well protected but it
results that count not good looks..
Best Wishes Dalt
Raid Slam
Nope.
>******************************************************
>***** Once again, this is all just guessing... *******
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>******************************************************
That's kewl.
>
>Here is the whois on the domain of the publisher of the above
software...
>
>Registrant:
>Computers by Design (CBDUSA-DOM)
> 120 Lake Avenue South
> Nesconset, NY 11767-1060
> US
I've been to new york, but I don't live there. The software was
produced under my own name.
Kadabra
> In article <se1qgn...@corp.supernews.com>, "Kadabra"
> <ab...@fuschia.com> wrote:
> >> And perhaps this is the software?
> >> CybraryN v99.3.0
> >> (Just a guess)
>
> Nope.
Hey! What do you expect for 1/2 hour!? ;-)
PS: If anyone wants to make me a job offer for my AMAZING skill, please do so.
PPS: I had to look through 603 book descriptions on B&N (alphabetic search)
to get to the damn book title. If you mention a book again, could it please start with an 'A'???
Cheers,
Kadabra
Raid Slam
I wanted that report yesterday! :)
>to get to the damn book title. If you mention a book again,
>could it please start with an 'A'???
Just out of curisity, what made you stop at that book?
kurt wismer
[snip]
> I would like to note that i'm sure all here would admit that the AVers will
> always be playing catchup to the Authors ...
which is in part a matter of choice... it's well known that there are
those who disassemble anti-virus software looking for things they and
others can use...
> some avers catch quicker than
> others and some just cause problems and smokescreens to hide their own
> follies.Im sure a number of my former collegues would agree that the value
> of an AV should be judged by how well it catches the new creations not how
> well it deals with the old timers
that does not mean that your former collegues are right...
the best av is the one that adequately deals with the virus you have, a
relatively small subset of known viruses are the viruses you are likely to
have, and relatively small subset of those are new...
and i seem to recall bruce mentioning a paper he presented at a conference
in which he found that viruses that go into the wild are known and handled
by anti-virus products months before they are seen in the wild...
> and i feel sure VX would judge by "how
> easy to defeat"...in VX scorebooks Im assured by others and from my own
> experience that Norton does not rank highly..
i don't think too highly of norton either, but it's more of a history
thing... historically it has been a poor product... recently (in the past
year or two) it has improved considerably - but that could just be an
anomoly in the grand scheme of things...
> Easy way to look at it would be...ask a Virus Writer what they protect their
> systems with?
i tried that once... memory lapse never answered my question though...
--
". . . and i was looking so good, shamoo took a shining to me. and they're
so smart those things, you know, they got all these human emotions. love,
lust, green hundred year old eyed jealousy. barthalamoo - was *livid*.
unbeknownst to me, i can't hear a god damned thing underwater."
Kadabra
> Just out of curisity, what made you stop at that book?
I thought you might be interested in that!
Here goes the logic (or lack thereof)
The info I had:
You wrote:
> I'll give you a hint, the united states government (an area of
> it) also uses some software I've written. Some software is also
> published in a computer security book which sells at barns and
> noble.com for $200 (there's two chapters in the book devoted to
> the program, and the program is included on cd-rom with the book)
I went to B&N.
I did a search for the keyword "security" in the "computer" category.
651 titles match.
I started through each one doing a visual scan on title, price, CD Yes/no.
I figured that the price was either overstated or understated, so I gave a leeway of $100 either way.
The word "virus" caught my eye. (There were a couple of these)
The words "schools" and "library" smacked of "the united states government (an area of
it)" (No CD was mentioned until I got to the detailed description)
The CD was described as containing 60 shareware programs / utilities.
Then, I just had one of those moments where you get a feeling for something.
After that, I ran over to ZD net. I looked up shareware using the keyword library.
I found the first library management software with 4 stars I could. The spelling of the name
"CybraryN" looked promising. (I was running out of time at this point - meetings)
Richard M Smith of Phar lap, eat your heart out heheheh.
Anyway, no magic. Just blind luck really! =8]
Kadabra
Evelyn
started to play the BudWeiser frogs sound - Argh! Budweiser virus is not a
hoax! But then I realised that I had set up my Digiguide to remind me that
a program was on TV and I'd chosen that sound file. Serves me right for not
getting to bed earlier!
What did RShack do?
--
Love
Evelyn
http://www.woolston.greatxscape.net/
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"Raid Slam" <soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <8bqpst$ura$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Evelyn"
> <eve...@woolston.greatxscape.net> wrote:
> >Grrr! Snarrl! OK Raid Slam. I guess you deserve this.
>
> LoL Raid will do. Slam is the virus group I'm associated with.
>
> >Now go away and write a really good program and then come back
> >and tell us all about it!
>
> I did that. Rshack. It is quiet the little campaign editor. But
> it's no longer available. Oh, and fyi, I didn't start the irok
> discussions; infected users did. :)
>
sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk
>> It's very easy for a virus author to knock a piece of
>> software like Norton Anti-Virus (which clearly isn't as
>> worthless as you'd like to make out), but it does make us
>> wonder what positive contribution you've made to the world?
>>
>> Have you ever written anything as good as Norton
>> Anti-Virus, Raid?
>
> Heya Graham,
> Hope you dont mind if I jump in on this one...
The more the merrier.
> I spent many a happy hour reconfiguring PC's that have
> been rendered almost unserviceable by "some" anti virus
> programs and yes Norton has caused its fair share of
> those problems.
Oh, I have no doubt anti-virus software sometimes goes wrong. I just find
it ironic that someone who makes other computer users' lives a misery by
writing viruses slags off a product like Norton Anti-Virus which must have
helped many millions.
> As to RaiD's programming ability ,I have alos seen and used
> some of his Non-Viral programs and find them to be well
> written and well thought out pieces of software that are most
> useful in the intenet they were written.
I haven't questioned Raid's programming ability on this occasion. What I
was asking was what positive force had he brought to the world of
computing. It is clear that Norton Anti-Virus has helped many people, and
maybe Raid has helped many people too. I was just trying to measure who
had helped more people as Raid had strongly held views on the worth of
Norton Anti-Virus. Which coming from an acknowledged virus author I found
kind of odd.
Raid Slam
<eve...@woolston.greatxscape.net> wrote:
>What did RShack do?
Its a campaign editor for Tom Clancys Rainbow Six game. I
mentioned it's existance here some time back. It wasn't well
recieved. I had planned to continue adding features to it, but I
didn't figure it was worth the time. Irok however has proven to
be well worth the time I've invested in it. It's forcing users to
take a hard look at the competence of the very antivirus
companies they trust to protect their equipment. I've been
successful in showing atleast one user that Norton is not worth
his time or money. (You don't pay monkeys to program, symantec)
The payload irok uses was put in intentially because I promised
I'd do so. I'm a person of my word, good or bad, I do as I say.
Joe O'Sullivan
Hope your around, you have made the medium risk list with NAI. Would you be
so kind as to let us into the true description of IROK this way saving
anymore guesses. I am now being asked what does this do so who do I refer
them to?