Antivirus recommendation
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
that problem will be resolved with the release of Windows 7.) The current
problem is that her subscription to Trend Micro is about to expire, and I
had planned to buy NOD32 for her computer. Unfortunately, the latest version
seems a tad buggy, and I don't want her to have any problems because I'm too
far away to fix them. (And with a brand new baby, she doesn't have the time
for that kind of inconvenience.)
She's had no trouble so far using Trend, but if there is something better
that's not going to cause me to pull my hair out or cause her to run
screaming into the night, I'd like to get it for her rather than renewing
her current license.
Suggestions, please?
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Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
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"BTW: Lionel was no "kookologist". If you knew what you were talking
about, you'd know that."
Message-ID: glgh70$g12$1...@blackhelicopter.databasix.com
"Lionel laurer will be a real kookologist the day after the Sun explodes."
1PW
> Last year, my daughter bought a computer running Vista. (One can only hope
> that problem will be resolved with the release of Windows 7.) The current
> problem is that her subscription to Trend Micro is about to expire, and I
> had planned to buy NOD32 for her computer. Unfortunately, the latest version
> seems a tad buggy, and I don't want her to have any problems because I'm too
> far away to fix them. (And with a brand new baby, she doesn't have the time
> for that kind of inconvenience.)
>
> She's had no trouble so far using Trend, but if there is something better
> that's not going to cause me to pull my hair out or cause her to run
> screaming into the night, I'd like to get it for her rather than renewing
> her current license.
>
> Suggestions, please?
Hello Rhonda:
Many in these newsgroups would probably say that it's just as well
that the Trend Micro subscription is lapsing. Despite what you may
have heard, ESET's NOD32 is probably at the top of the heap when
looking at paid AV solutions. Avira's AntiVir 9 is probably the best
she could do for a freeware application.
HTH
Pete
--
1PW @?6A62?FEH9:DE=6o2@=]4@> [r4o7t]
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
1PW <barcrna...@nby.pbz> wrote:
> Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
>> Last year, my daughter bought a computer running Vista. (One can
>> only hope that problem will be resolved with the release of Windows
>> 7.) The current problem is that her subscription to Trend Micro is
>> about to expire, and I had planned to buy NOD32 for her computer.
>> Unfortunately, the latest version seems a tad buggy, and I don't
>> want her to have any problems because I'm too far away to fix them.
>> (And with a brand new baby, she doesn't have the time for that kind
>> of inconvenience.) She's had no trouble so far using Trend, but if there
>> is something
>> better that's not going to cause me to pull my hair out or cause her
>> to run screaming into the night, I'd like to get it for her rather
>> than renewing her current license.
>>
>> Suggestions, please?
>
> Hello Rhonda:
Hi Pete :)
> Many in these newsgroups would probably say that it's just as well
> that the Trend Micro subscription is lapsing.
When she told me it was lapsing, I did a little jig.
> Despite what you may
> have heard, ESET's NOD32 is probably at the top of the heap when
> looking at paid AV solutions.
I use NOD32 v. 2.7, but I don't know how well it would work with Vista. (I'm
using XP.) Everything on the Wilder's site seems to indicate that v. 4 has a
lot of problems, which is why I haven't upgraded. If I do get NOD32 for her
in one of the later versions, then I'm going to have to upgrade so I know
what I'm doing when I try to help her.
> Avira's AntiVir 9 is probably the best
> she could do for a freeware application.
Freeware is nice, but not for an antivirus application.
I'm looking for two things, now that I think of it:
1. Advice on whether a security suite is needed with Vista, and
2. Which antivirus/security suite to choose.
The caveat is that it can't be buggy and it has to work with little input
from the user. My daughter has been using computers since she was big enough
to pound a keyboard, but she has neither the interest nor the time to do any
troubleshooting.
> HTH
>
> Pete
Leythos
rhonda...@earthling.net says...
> Suggestions, please?
>
Symantec End Point Protection - install everything except the network
protection module (if she's using a laptop), and be happy. So far it
works with all current Win platforms and it's much lighter on resources
while providing an even higher level of protection than the Symantec
Corporate Edition.
Make sure you're getting version 11 MR4 or higher.
--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
spam9...@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
David H. Lipman
>>> Suggestions, please?
>> Hello Rhonda:
| Hi Pete :)
>> HTH
>> Pete
The Vista FireWall is fine, no suite needed.
AntiVir is strongly suggested. Pay for the premium version of you'd like.
--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
David H. Lipman <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
> From: "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" <rhonda...@earthling.net>
>
>> In news:h0rd2r$qp$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
>> 1PW <barcrna...@nby.pbz> wrote:
>>> Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
<snipped>
>>> HTH
>
>>> Pete
>
> The Vista FireWall is fine, no suite needed.
I'd read that, but I didn't know if the source could be trusted, so I wanted
to double-check.
One problem solved.
> AntiVir is strongly suggested. Pay for the premium version of you'd
> like.
I sent her the link for the premium trial. Assuming it goes well, I'll buy
it for her.
Thanks, David. (And Pete, too.)
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
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wasted
"Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" <rhonda...@earthling.net> wrote in message
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> In news:h0rd2r$qp$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
> 1PW <barcrna...@nby.pbz> wrote:
>> Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
> I use NOD32 v. 2.7, but I don't know how well it would work with Vista.
> (I'm using XP.) Everything on the Wilder's site seems to indicate that v.
> 4 has a lot of problems, which is why I haven't upgraded. If I do get
> NOD32 for her in one of the later versions, then I'm going to have to
> upgrade so I know what I'm doing when I try to help her.
For what it's worth I ran NOD32 2.7 on Vista perfectly OK. I left upgrading
to version 4 for a while to let any problems get sorted. Upgraded about a
month ago, and it's been trouble free.
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> For what it's worth I ran NOD32 2.7 on Vista perfectly OK. I left
> upgrading to version 4 for a while to let any problems get sorted.
> Upgraded about a month ago, and it's been trouble free.
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>
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>
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I'm curious, I wonder if it can be configured to eliminate this
advertisement, or at the very least insert it as a conforming signature
block preceded by the standard dash-dash-space-return ["-- "] sig
delimiter? One which real newsreaders will automatically snip.
It seems unnecessary to 'check' outgoing text posts, too.
--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive Windows
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> In NOD32 AV one can avoid these (silly) messages as follows:
Thanks for that, Fred. Perhaps users of this software will see your
post. <g>
FromTheRafters
"FredW" <fr...@blackholespam.net> wrote in message
news:j155355lu8rmoolsd...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:10:27 -0400, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
> <a.non...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>>FredW wrote:
>>
>>> In NOD32 AV one can avoid these (silly) messages as follows:
>>
>>Thanks for that, Fred. Perhaps users of this software will see your
>>post. <g>
>
> Apparently a lot of users don't notice these "tag" messages or they
> have
> no clue how to get rid of them or they just simply don't care.
...or they are trolls
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
wasted <rub...@xxnone.notreal.com> wrote:
> "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" <rhonda...@earthling.net> wrote in message
> news:79cu8iF...@mid.individual.net...
>> In news:h0rd2r$qp$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
>> 1PW <barcrna...@nby.pbz> wrote:
>>> Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
>> I use NOD32 v. 2.7, but I don't know how well it would work with
>> Vista. (I'm using XP.) Everything on the Wilder's site seems to
>> indicate that v. 4 has a lot of problems, which is why I haven't
>> upgraded. If I do get NOD32 for her in one of the later versions,
>> then I'm going to have to upgrade so I know what I'm doing when I
>> try to help her.
>
> For what it's worth I ran NOD32 2.7 on Vista perfectly OK. I left
> upgrading to version 4 for a while to let any problems get sorted.
> Upgraded
> about a month ago, and it's been trouble free.
Good to know that. It would be easier if she and I were using the same
antivirus, but I'm going to have her give Avira a trial, and if it works,
I'll go with that. If not, then at least I have a fallback position.
Thanks for the information. Maybe I'll try upgrading this machine now that
v.4 seems to be working for someone.
Unca Arnie
> Many in these newsgroups would probably say that it's just as well that the Trend
> Micro subscription is lapsing. Despite what you may have heard, ESET's NOD32 is
> probably at the top of the heap when looking at paid AV solutions. Avira's AntiVir 9
> is probably the best she could do for a freeware application.
I need to replace Panda Antivirus on my cousin's computer. Even when automatic updates
are turned off, Panda constantly accesses the internet on a constant basis (there is a
great Amazon.com review that mentions this).
I need an antivirus that won't access the internet like Panda does, and is good for a
slower computer. I was going to use Tend Micro, but I see that some of you experts think
it's buggy (I never had a problem with Trend).
Why NOD32?
Nomen Nescio
"Unca Arnie" <no...@nono.com> wrote in message news:eYmdnV6ZYNpXnK7X...@giganews.com...
Because it's not made by Scien-toll-o-grifts! :-)
1PW
> "1PW" wrote...
>> Many in these newsgroups would probably say that it's just as well that the Trend
>> Micro subscription is lapsing. Despite what you may have heard, ESET's NOD32 is
>> probably at the top of the heap when looking at paid AV solutions. Avira's AntiVir 9
>> is probably the best she could do for a freeware application.
>
> I need to replace Panda Antivirus on my cousin's computer. Even when automatic updates
> are turned off, Panda constantly accesses the internet on a constant basis (there is a
> great Amazon.com review that mentions this).
Panda is probably 'phoning home'. Perhaps you could precisely define
"constant basis". Seconds, minutes, hours...
I'm afraid one would /probably/ not think of Amazon as one of the
first places to go for a /great/ user AV review. Please excuse my
snobbery, but few, if any, of the user reputations or expertise will
be known.
>
> I need an antivirus that won't access the internet like Panda does, and is good for a
> slower computer. I was going to use Trend Micro, but I see that some of you experts think
> it's buggy (I never had a problem with Trend).
>
> Why NOD32?
Eset's NOD32 has shown us years of good performance & reputation.
Hello Arnie:
You need not go with paid solutions to obtain excellent AV protection.
Avira's AntiVir 9, has a combination of good reputation & performance.
Regards,
Unca Arnie
"1PW" wrote...
> Unca Arnie wrote:
>> "1PW" wrote...
>>> Many in these newsgroups would probably say that it's just as well that the Trend
>>> Micro subscription is lapsing. Despite what you may have heard, ESET's NOD32 is
>>> probably at the top of the heap when looking at paid AV solutions. Avira's AntiVir
>>> 9 is probably the best she could do for a freeware application.
>>
>> I need to replace Panda Antivirus on my cousin's computer. Even when automatic
>> updates are turned off, Panda constantly accesses the internet on a constant basis
>> (there is a great Amazon.com review that mentions this).
>
> Panda is probably 'phoning home'. Perhaps you could precisely define "constant
> basis". Seconds, minutes, hours...
>
It's the first review for Panda 2009 3-user:
http://www.amazon.com/Panda-Global-Protection-2009-User/dp/B001CD665W
This is the entire review from Amazon. This review describes exactly and precisely the
behavior we have seen.
Does it remove spyware, or IS THIS SPYWARE???, September 15, 2008
Our company tested Panda Global Protection 2009 as part of a series of tests of various
security suites. The program installs with little difficulty, and is very easy to use.
After we installed Panda on out Pentium IV 2GHz test system, about a dozen programs run
in the background protecting your computer.
All features of Panda are available when not logged into Windows XP/2000 as an
Administrator. You can choose which features of Panda require a supervisor password,
nice for a corporate environment. The labels for the controls are somewhat cryptic.
"Self-diagnosis" is not explained, viruses are called "known threats". Enabling spyware
and malware scans is hidden under "Advanced Settings" under "Known Threats". Scanning
for "Unknown Threats" uses Panda's heuristic and behavioral analysis systems to
proactively defend against rogue programs not covered under antivi... uh, "known
threats". There is a check-mark to "Enable protection against vulnerabilities" that
isn't explained.
The performance benefits are a mixed bag. You will notice that boot-up and shutdown will
take 20 seconds longer (on our Pentium IV 2GHz system). This is acceptable to us because
Panda is aggressively scanning the computer. Also, except for occasional slowdowns
explained below, Panda is very efficient in the background and our 2GHz system barely
noticed the background protection.
Now, we did notice intermittent slow downs on our 2GHz test system - the computer would
slow down noticeably, and even the mouse pointer would turn into an hourglass.
We turned off the Panda firewall and enabled our company standard Agnitum Outpost
firewall. After 1/2 an hour, we looked at the logs and we were shocked at what we found.
Panda seems designed to secretly access the internet on a regular basis and send out
LOTS of data. And I mean, LOTS. Over a 25 minute period Panda appeared to transmit 768K
of data from my computer to Panda's servers.
We had turned off auto-updates, and turned off all options for sending usage data back
to Panda. But although Panda had no reason to go outside and play, Panda SENDS LOTS AND
LOTS OF DATA OUT FROM YOUR COMPUTER ACROSS THE INTERNET on a regular basis, almost once
every 90 seconds.
We logged access to the following domains, each one originating from a Panda program.
These were the only domains we are certain originate from the Panda software:
- cache.pandasoftware.com (accesses every 3-5 minutes)
- proinfo.pandasoftware.com
- platis.updates.pandasoftware.com (remember, updates were OFF)
- pandalabs.pandasecurity.com
- acs.pandasoftware.com
- c5.edgesuite.com
- a1913.g.akamaitech.net
- a1945.g.akamaitech.net
- filterdb.iss.net
- bannerfarm.ace.advertising.com (this was a surprise!)
- (a series of IP addresses I won't publish)
These were all OUTBOUND connections.
Hands down, cache.pandasoftware.com was the most prolific. No less than 3 minutes, but
no greater than 5 minutes, Panda sent between 13K and 116K of data to that URL.
Panda also made regular accesses to our DNS servers.
Evidently, the Panda software thinks it's entitled to made these accesses and interprets
blocking them as an attack. With an internet connection, when an Outpost firewall alert
came up for the above domains and if we clocked "Block", the screen suddenly went black
and apparently had either locked up or crashed. No amount of coaxing could get the
computer to keep going, so we had to power off and on.
The privacy statement for the software can only be viewed during install. The software's
privacy statement is not on the install CD nor is it on your hard drive after
installation. If you don't print or save the text, you don't get to see it after
install.
Panda's privacy statement is dangerously to the point: "for the purpose of contracting
and using the program, the licensee may have to give PANDA certain personal data", "The
licensee accepts that PANDA may use such information as part of the services provided in
relation to the product, and that he/she may receive marketing information. The licensee
acknowledges and accepts that PANDA may provide updates or additions to the software
which automatically download to his/her computer."
As you can see, "certain personal data" is not spelled out. But after reading the rest
of Panda's privacy statement, it is frighteningly clear that the agreement allows for
the collection of any data from your computer, and the program may be modified by Panda
in any manner they see fit for any reason without notifying you. They don't even try to
hide what they are doing.
I called Panda Tech Support (they waived the $19.95 per incident for us) and it only
took five minutes to reach a polite and friendly tech support person that was located in
the USA. We asked for an explanation for all the internet access. We were first told
that even with auto-updates turned off, Panda checks an online database of updated
antivirus information whenever it scans. Although the support person was openly
concerned and did try to find out what all the internet access was about, his up-line
support offered him no further clues as to what Panda is sending from our computer to
theirs.
As a result of all this effort, I'm happy to report that Panda Global Protection 2009
uninstalls flawlessly.
Greg Cisko
--
"Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" <rhonda...@earthling.net> wrote in message
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FromTheRafters
...was quoted as quoting...
[...]
> ...viruses are called "known threats".
[...]
"Known threats" is more correct in describing what they mean than
"viruses" would be. I wish all antivirus and antimalware programs would
be more careful with terminology. However, using correct terminology
confuses those users that have common previous misconceptions.
someone
"1PW" <barcrna...@nby.pbz> wrote in message
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> Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
>
> Many in these newsgroups would probably say that it's just as well that
> the Trend Micro subscription is lapsing. Despite what you may have heard,
> ESET's NOD32 is probably at the top of the heap when looking at paid AV
> solutions. Avira's AntiVir 9 is probably the best she could do for a
> freeware application.
>
I have had NOD32 for over 10 years, but lately they seem not to care much
about home users like me. Their website is about Business. I tried to
contact them about a concern I had, but there was no way, it's all about
Business. So reluctantly I gave up on them.
I'm trying out Avira, the free version, it looks good so far, and I'll
probably spend the money and go for them. I think that you get what you pay
for.
someone
Roy
> "1PW" <barcrnahgjuv...@nby.pbz> wrote in message
>
> news:h0rd2r$qp$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
> >> snip <<
>
> > Many in these newsgroups would probably say that it's just as well that
> > the Trend Micro subscription is lapsing. Despite what you may have heard,
> > ESET's NOD32 is probably at the top of the heap when looking at paid AV
> > solutions. Avira's AntiVir 9 is probably the best she could do for a
> > freeware application.
>
> I have had NOD32 for over 10 years, but lately they seem not to care much
> about home users like me. Their website is about Business. I tried to
> contact them about a concern I had, but there was no way, it's all about
> Business. So reluctantly I gave up on them.
>
That's bad news...I also had ESET Smart Security in one PC.......?
> I'm trying out Avira, the free version, it looks good so far, and I'll
> probably spend the money and go for them. I think that you get what you pay
> for.
One of my friend's PC is protected by Avira Free edition, and she was
pleased with its performance but what she hates about it was the
constant nagging to upgrade to the full version?
Roy
1PW
Hello Roy:
Ask your friend to Google for "Avira nag" and more then a few easy
"fixes" can be had.
Roy
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hmm , thanks for that suggestion pete, I will relay that valuable
piece of information to her!
Regards
Roy
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
It did.
We tried the AntiVir Professional trial, and she didn't like it because it
wanted her attention all the time. False positives. She's not
security-savvy, so it looked to be an endless problem for me, and I told her
to uninstall it and download the NOD32 trial.
She loved it. No problems at all, so when the trial lapsed, I bought her a
two-year subscription.
The only downside is that I tried upgrading my own computer to v.4 from
v.2.7, and it was not a pleasant experience in resource usage. I'm sure that
if I'd fiddled with the settings long enough, I could've made it work, but
it just wasn't worth the time, so I went back to the earlier release.
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
The right to be heard does not automatically include
the right to be taken seriously. Hubert H. Humphrey
1PW
Hello Rhonda:
I appreciate what your saying about the loss of resources, but you've
been around these parts long enough to know that /major/ changes in
NOD32's scanning engine is the difference between 2.7.xxx and 4.0.437
I'm sure we'd miss your opinions in our own little snake pits here if
your system got knocked down for awhile.
--
1PW
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
1PW <1...@INVALID.com> wrote:
> Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
>> In news:h0rd2r$qp$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
>> 1PW <barcrna...@nby.pbz> wrote:
>>> Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
> Hello Rhonda:
>
> I appreciate what your saying about the loss of resources, but you've
> been around these parts long enough to know that /major/ changes in
> NOD32's scanning engine is the difference between 2.7.xxx and 4.0.437
>
> I'm sure we'd miss your opinions in our own little snake pits here if
> your system got knocked down for awhile.
Well, "missing" is probably debatable :) but by and large, the antimalware
software I use does little more than take a time out of my day and
occasionally slow down my system. The only "malware" any of the programs I
use has ever "caught" is a) programs from Nir Sofer's site that I forgot to
exclude from scanning, b) a couple of programs I got from Eddie at
bootdisk.com c) combofix and d) tracking cookies. IOW, not a tad of real
malware.
I'm careful to practice safe hex, so the software is more a backup to good
practices than anything else.
With that said, I may give it another whirl, but not until I have time to
fiddle with it and make it work right. That 100% CPU usage caused by v.4
caused uncounted restarts, and it nearly drove me crazy.
Joan Archer
latest version has no problems like that. I also think it was to do with the
advanced settings but going with the defaults is fine and causes no problems
with trying to take over <g>
--
Joan Archer
http://www.freewebs.com/crossstitcher
http://lachsoft.com/photogallery
"Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" <rhonda...@earthling.net> wrote in message
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> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
> signature database 4397 (20090905) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>
> http://www.eset.com
>
>
>
__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4397 (20090905) __________
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
Joan Archer <joana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think you'll find that was a problem with the earlier releases of
> v4 the latest version has no problems like that. I also think it was to do
> with the advanced settings but going with the defaults is fine and causes
> no
> problems with trying to take over <g>
Unfortunately, it was only last week that I tried it, and the defaults
caused a lot of problems with CPU usage.
Joan Archer
and now Vista and it was only the early version of v4 that caused the CPU
hogging if the settings where altered with the Advanced Heuristic options
but if the program was run with the defaults there was no problem and I was
under the impression that the problems were sorted out with later versions
of the program.
"Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" <rhonda...@earthling.net> wrote in message
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> signature database 4401 (20090906) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>
> http://www.eset.com
>
>
>
__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4401 (20090906) __________
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
Joan Archer <joana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry to hear that Rhonda, I've been using it for a few years now
> through XP and now Vista and it was only the early version of v4 that
> caused the
> CPU hogging if the settings where altered with the Advanced Heuristic
> options but if the program was run with the defaults there was no problem
> and
> I was under the impression that the problems were sorted out with later
> versions of the program.
There's a possibility another program was causing the problem, but I've not
had a chance to test it. In reading in the Eset forum (Wilders Security),
however, I do see no small number of problems with v.4. I'll let you know
how it works out when I try it now that I've disabled the troublesome
feature of the other program.