nicky did you say this???
blooven
position - are you saying the journalist lied when you were quoted
saying the following???
Nick FitzGerald wrote:
>
> blooven <blo...@blooven.blooven> wrote:
>
> > FitzGerald said the Trojan randomly generates legitimate-looking return
> > e-mail addresses, organization names and message
> > subject lines from a
> > list. It also carefully words the messages to
> > avoid detection by simple
> > filtering systems.
>
> [post re-ordered so Blooven's moronic stupidity is more obvious]
>
> > Nicky - didn't you know that it is easy to filter?? But then I guess
> > you are an EXPERT - bwa ha ha
>
> If you read the whole story, so the context is more complete, it should
> be obvious that the filtering being referred to is "simple content
> filtering", although, that said, I cannot help what a journalist chooses
> to write after they've been told something meaningful, nor what their
> (usually much more technically challenged) editors will render the
> journo's report into.
>
> The meaning of my comment about filtering is obvious if you refer to the
> web page from which the journalist drew most of his information:
>
> http://www.cai.com/virusinfo/encyclopedia/descriptions/n/newsflood7168a.htm
>
> where you can read:
>
> Subject: lines are randomly selected from a list where the content
> alludes to child pornography, although note that these messages
> are designed to avoid simple filtering systems and thus words such
> as "preteen" are replaced by "pteen",etc.
>
> Of course, blooven, will be incapable of comprehending that something
> might possibly say other than what she wants it to, but that's blooven's
> loss (although the price for that will be borne by this group as blooven
> insists on proving her lack of simple language comprehension at every
> turn, by posting about it in this group).
>
> --
> Nick FitzGerald
blooven
think you are fooling anyone with your BS???
It clearly says what it says -
now I know why you have to clip parts of posts -
Nick FitzGerald wrote:
>
> blooven <blo...@blooven.blooven> wrote:
>
> > FitzGerald said the Trojan randomly generates legitimate-looking return
> > e-mail addresses, organization names and message
> > subject lines from a
> > list. It also carefully words the messages to
> > avoid detection by simple
> > filtering systems.
PaX wrote:
>
> "It also carefully words the messages to
> > > avoid detection by simple
> > > filtering systems.
> "
>
> It does not say it achieves this,it also refers to "simple" meaning I would
> suggest that *simple* can be taken to mean "Block Sender" this may be
> ineffective but a more in depth (to the usual PC user) message rule would be
> sucsessful.
> I don't see how Nicks post is inaccurate.
>
> D.D.Shelby
e t e r s h e r w o o d @home.com Pete Sherwood
news:3B38A671...@blooven.blooven...
> you are the master at trying to spin your way out of another bogus
> position - are you saying the journalist lied when you were quoted
> saying the following???
Actually, professionals don't say "lied"
But, since you are not a professional,
you wouldn't understand cuz you have little or nothing to lose by saying
these less-than-savory things here.
"Twisted" is the proper phrase and I've heard at least 1/2 dozen AV
professionals
say the same thing about being quoted over the last year or so.
The excitement av'ers have is waiting for the quotes to be released to see
just how twisted they can make it!
When was the last time a news media person asked you for a quote,
very dumb blooper-coward who is afraid, with good reason, to reveal your
true identity?
Just curious.
and are you going to run away and hide like a coward when if your true
identity gets revealed?
Just curious.
blooven
posts. For the record they have been delivered to local and other
authorities for the record. You have already crossed the line to
cause concern - get a grip demento
e t e r s h e r w o o d @home.com Pete Sherwood
> sherwood - you are sounding quite twisted here and in your last few
> posts. For the record they have been delivered to local and other
> authorities for the record. You have already crossed the line to
> cause concern - get a grip demento
Thanks! I'm working on it.
I don't think your local authorities are interested in those of us living in
Canada.
Would you like me to provide the names, email addresses and phone numbers of
some my local authorities?
I know and respect a number of them and they know and respect me.
I live in Gloucester, Ontario, Canada (near Ottawa).
You know, where all the igloos are.
We have a government department here called CSIS (loosely equivalent to the
CIA).
I can give you the names of several people over there.
I've worked with several of them on malware and virus related issues.
We have mutual respect for each other as well.
They'd really get a kick out of seeing what you can come up with.
No. Actually, they'd be annoyed as they enjoy challenging things to work on.
Come on, get a grip and stop verbally slapping everyone who comes along,
especially those of us that begin by giving you the benefit of the doubt ;-)
b-and-h
blooven
>
> "blooven" <blo...@blooven.blooven> wrote in message
> news:3B38CF19...@blooven.blooven...
>
> > sherwood - you are sounding quite twisted here and in your last few
> > posts. For the record they have been delivered to local and other
> > authorities for the record. You have already crossed the line to
> > cause concern - get a grip demento
>
> Thanks! I'm working on it.
>
> I don't think your local authorities are interested in those of us living in
> Canada.
> Would you like me to provide the names, email addresses and phone numbers of
> some my local authorities?
yes - please do
e t e r s h e r w o o d @home.com Pete Sherwood
> Pete Sherwood wrote:
> >
> > "blooven" <blo...@blooven.blooven> wrote in message
> > news:3B38CF19...@blooven.blooven...
> >
> > > sherwood - you are sounding quite twisted here and in your last few
> > > posts. For the record they have been delivered to local and other
> > > authorities for the record. You have already crossed the line to
> > > cause concern - get a grip demento
> >
> > Thanks! I'm working on it.
> >
> > I don't think your local authorities are interested in those of us
living in
> > Canada.
> > Would you like me to provide the names, email addresses and phone
numbers of
> > some my local authorities?
>
> yes - please do
Are you willing to make any deals?
I'll provide a local authorities name here for everyone you provide me in
your local community.
Let's start with a simple exercise to prove you are on the up-and-up:
Constable Heather Bell
Constable Bill VanReiswick
Are two that I know fairly well.
And you?
Some from your community in the San Francisco Bay Area now!
Pete
blooven
Detective Joe Dominguez and Detective Nash Bridges
Pete Sherwood wrote:
>
> "blooven" <blo...@blooven.blooven> wrote in message
> news:3B38E258...@blooven.blooven...
> > Pete Sherwood wrote:
> > >
> > > "blooven" <blo...@blooven.blooven> wrote in message
> > > news:3B38CF19...@blooven.blooven...
> > >
> > > > sherwood - you are sounding quite twisted here and in your last few
> > > > posts. For the record they have been delivered to local and other
> > > > authorities for the record. You have already crossed the line to
> > > > cause concern - get a grip demento
> > >
> > > Thanks! I'm working on it.
> > >
> > > I don't think your local authorities are interested in those of us
> living in
> > > Canada.
> > > Would you like me to provide the names, email addresses and phone
> numbers of
> > > some my local authorities?
> >
> > yes - please do
>
> Are you willing to make any deals?
deals? - either post your brag or cut out your stupid nonsense
blooven
say about whether he said this or not or if the journalist misquoted
him.
John Elsbury wrote:
>
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:12:03 GMT, blooven <blo...@blooven.blooven>
> wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >are you saying the journalist lied when you were quoted
> >saying the following???
>
> I have seen well-meaning journalists (and subeditors) alter even
> carefully worded formal press releases. I don't think they actually
> mean to lie, I think their thought process is more like "gosh - I
> don't understand that. If I don't, the readers (average mental age
> 12) certainly won't. Let's reword it".
>
> Thought for the day - "Pravda", if I am correct, is the Russian word
> for "truth".....
>
> The defence rests :-)
blooven
>
> blooven <blo...@blooven.blooven> wrote:
>
> > > out of context then knowingly making up lies about them and their beliefs,
> > > based on your deliberately deceitful quoting and phrasing?
> >
> > hahaha you sound like a propagandist ...
>
> Been reading the dictionary, eh??
>
> > ... - post one example
post ONE example you blowhard or STFU
e t e r s h e r w o o d @home.com Pete Sherwood
> San Francisco - okay
>
> Detective Joe Dominguez and Detective Nash Bridges
little too close to home?
> Pete Sherwood wrote:
> > Are you willing to make any deals?
>
> deals? - either post your brag or cut out your stupid nonsense
Hmm. This hurts!
You might want to take a bit of your own medicine!
> Path:
news3.rdc1.on.home.com!newshub1.rdc1.on.home.com!newshub1.rdc2.pa.home.com!a
-newshub1.rdc2.pa.home.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.frmt1.sfba.
home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
Yeppers! Looks like sfba (San Fran Bay Area) to me!
> Message-ID: <3B38F7BB...@blooven.blooven>
> From: blooven <blo...@blooven.blooven>
> Organization: blooven
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win95; U)
Hmm: Using netscape's Mozilla 4.08 [english version] on Windows 95
[snip]
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.0.206.xx
Hmm: I wonder?
C:\WINDOWS>tracert 65.0.206.xx
Tracing route to [snipped hostname to protect the
clueless].saltlk1.ut.home.com [65.0.206.xx]
[snip]
> X-Trace: news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com 993589176 65.0.206.xx (Tue, 26 Jun 2001
13:59:36 PDT)
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:59:36 PDT
But as you sat there and thought
"this guy is clueless"...
remember what I said recently:
when you play with the big boys you best play nice.
And every person on the internet could easily do likewise.
Doh!
so don't start with your stalking tirade
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 22:08:45 GMT, blooven <blo...@blooven.blooven>
> had the will and imagination to describe the world as such:
>
> >Are you trying to make me feel guilty so I won't go white water rafting
> >and 4WD to Moab and Canyonlands for the 4th?
>
> I wonder why you're going to Moab. I know only one place of this name,
> and that is somewhere (north?) east of Jerusalem, Israel, and I
> thought it is a desert. Didn't know you can go there on holidays.
>
> Ah, in my World Atlas there is a Moab in east Utah, near the Grand
> Canyon.
>
> You'll never stop learning.
>
>
> Gabriele Neukam
I hope you enjoy Moab, canyonlands and 4-wheelin'
blooven
bit of a pain - lol
how many you gonna do - are you trying to turn it into a DoS
e t e r s h e r w o o d @home.com Pete Sherwood
> Pete you can stop tracerouting that IP now - they said you are being a
Only one traceroute was needed and run.
> bit of a pain - lol
Who is being a pain?
I'm not the one verballing slapping nearly everyone who attempts to offer
some helpful and often knowlegeable advice.
> how many you gonna do - are you trying to turn it into a DoS
DoS cannot be done by one computer system.
One usually needs dozens, hundreds or thousands of systems sending pings to
be considered a ping attack much less a DoS : )
Do you know which virus/worm has the ability to do this?
Do you know how to distinguish between traceroutes and pings?
I'll stop pinging your system now.
I got distracted with real life and just didn't cancel the pings earlier.
Good to see you've turned off ping responses on your computer.
Those of us who don't go around verbally slapping others haven't much to
worry about but you,
you're a different story, huh?
Perhaps you know more than you can share.
Maybe you have something useful to offer the community ;-)
If only you would behave yourself !
blooven
>
> "blooven" <blo...@blooven.blooven> wrote in message
> news:3B3A52C6...@blooven.blooven...
>
> > Pete you can stop tracerouting that IP now - they said you are being a
>
> Only one traceroute was needed and run.
>
> > bit of a pain - lol
>
> Who is being a pain?
> I'm not the one verballing slapping nearly everyone who attempts to offer
> some helpful and often knowlegeable advice.
post one example or STFU
>
> > how many you gonna do - are you trying to turn it into a DoS
>
> DoS cannot be done by one computer system.
> One usually needs dozens, hundreds or thousands of systems sending pings to
> be considered a ping attack much less a DoS : )
> Do you know which virus/worm has the ability to do this?
>
> Do you know how to distinguish between traceroutes and pings?
>
> I'll stop pinging your system now.
> I got distracted with real life and just didn't cancel the pings earlier.
> Good to see you've turned off ping responses on your computer.
You are acting like a stalker - you ran what the people who take care
of the firewall are calling a 6 minute attack when over 300 separate
connections where made from your computer
>
> Those of us who don't go around verbally slapping others haven't much to
> worry about but you,
> you're a different story, huh?
you the netnazi here? MYOFB - get it - understand?
> Perhaps you know more than you can share.
> Maybe you have something useful to offer the community ;-)
> If only you would behave yourself !
you the netnazi here? STFU or nortel is going to receive some of the
responses I've gotten back from emails sent out.
last warning
e t e r s h e r w o o d @home.com Pete Sherwood
> you are being a bit of a pain
Just a reminder:
http://www.home.com/support/aup/
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Let me draw your attention to the line that says:
Forging, altering or removing header information is prohibited.
From where I sit, looks like a direct violation of the TOS.
Would you like to back off or continue disrupting this newsgroup?
You see, you've not yet asked me yet why I am targeting you personally.
I think you made the incorrect assumption that I am, how did you phrase it,
shilling for some of the others here.
You haven't a clue and are so far off base it is not even funny.
blooven
crap is going to come back and bite your ass hard -
Pete Sherwood wrote:
[BS snipped]
Frederic Bonroy
> > I'm not the one verballing slapping nearly everyone who attempts
> > to offer some helpful and often knowlegeable advice.
>
> post one example or STFU
Are you kidding? You have more than once bashed people (including me)
who were offering helpful advice.
Deny this and you are a liar.
Raid
> Pete I suggest you get a life - your bragging and pathetic netnazi
> crap is going to come back and bite your ass hard -
Blooven, I suggest you find a new ISP.. I'll be emailing them today.
:)
Regards,
Raid [slam]
Mac User
raid...@yahoo.com wrote on 6/28/01 10:05 AM:
Gee, we've never heard Blooven threatened with THAT before.
I feel so relieved that, thanks to this heroic ISP-Notifying Act Of
Bravado, we will no longer have any more posts from Blooven.
Raid
> Gee, we've never heard Blooven threatened with THAT before.
Not a threat. I didn't read his TOS originally; I've gone back and
re-read it. And he's in violation of it in numerous ways; I'm only
making his ISP aware of this; It's upto them if anything is done.
> I feel so relieved that, thanks to this heroic ISP-Notifying Act Of
> Bravado, we will no longer have any more posts from Blooven.
Do you have anything to contribute, or would you prefer to show your
ass?
Regards,
Raid [slam]
blooven
>
> Mac User <sj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<B760B8C2.5A7A%sj...@yahoo.com>...
>
> > Gee, we've never heard Blooven threatened with THAT before.
>
> Not a threat. I didn't read his TOS originally; I've gone back and
> re-read it. And he's in violation of it in numerous ways; I'm only
> making his ISP aware of this; It's upto them if anything is done.
I guess you wouldn't mind my letting the FBI know that you posted a
threat concerning them??
You are one self destructive douche bag
Mac User
My point is very simple. We have read over and over in this newsgroup posts
to Blooven that read "You're going down now!" or "Your ISP will be
contacting you shortly about the termination of your account" or "Your last
post means a lawsuit is coming your way" or any other number of idle
threats. Although my newsreader does not display anything posted by
him/her, I assume he/she is still around because so many morons are still
responding to the posts. So, all of these posts stating so clearly that
this is the end of Blooven are nothing more than empty air.
I cannot imagine having the free time nor the inclination to go and read the
Terms of Service for Blooven's internet provider. Incredible. I guess it
is good that someone tries to put an end to the nonsense, but it seems
pointless when we can just killfile him and get on with the real purpose of
the newsgroup.
blooven
like having to listen to your pathetic attempt at humour like below?
No one is going to listen to your advice even if you were the only
person posting in this group
Mac User wrote:
>
> in article UHRY0YBM3707...@frog.nyarlatheotep.org, Frog2 at
> FrogRe...@NoReply.Invalid.com wrote on 6/28/01 1:42 PM:
>
> > KBKCTEWEKRYBJESZWOMP
> > NZUUTXUEWXTXLBYXORKUYSLSTCRDJZ#TUNXWQNUSWPTMOKD
[snip]
> >
> > ****
> >
> >
>
> Perhaps, but not always.
> My opinion is that the earlier version is better, but others may feel
> differently based on their own experience.
> As always, time will tell.
miner.-
"blooven" <blo...@blooven.blooven> wrote in message
> No one is going to listen to your advice even if you were the only
> person posting in this group
>
No that'll be br13n
miner.-
e t e r s h e r w o o d @home.com Pete Sherwood
> I cannot imagine having the free time nor the inclination to go and read
the
> Terms of Service for Blooven's internet provider. Incredible. I guess it
hey sj!
If you were paying close attention (I didn't really expect you to) you would
have noted
that I am also with the @home ISP too. I was just triple-checking to make
sure
I remained within the bounds of what my ISP has asked me to stay within for
newsgroup postings.
It just struck me funny that with all the mud slinging one of the basic
tenants of participation,
an ISP TOS, would be a good thing to adhere to. For my part, my conscience
is clear.
I try and help new-comers and old-timers alike and try to respond in kind.
In the long run, it is one of the best stances to take.
I'm also not counting but I've had at least 1/2 dozen people thank me
publicly and privately
for my participation here (not that I am looking for that but its a good
indicator).
PS: Please note, I have not once threatened the person who is going by the
handle of Blooven
but instead have requested that they change their ways (no matter how
justified they feel (And,
at times, I think some of the responses they have used might have been
justified
but IMO, in a public forum, they are inappropriate) ).
If you do not have the patience for it, don't participate in the discussion.
After all, debate (disagreement and agreement) is what this is all about.
Just because you do not see your favorite Virus terminology
does not mean the discussion is not beneficial and fruitful to some of us.
benefit, like beauty, is in the eye (and ear) of the beholder ;-)
I can tell you without a doubt,
the person going by the handle of blooven has been intrigued by a number of
the stunts I've pulled.
You've learnt at least 1 or 2 things, eh, Blooven?
I've certainly leant a ting or free from Blooven! ;-)
And a lot of it has actually been fun!
Pete
PS: and if this too is a waste for some of you,
go rent/watch "The Net (Sandra Bullock movie)" and then chill out.
better yet, go down to moab by the canyonlands on the 4th
and see if you can figure out who Blooven is.
Hint: look for a 4WD
Raid
> I guess you wouldn't mind my letting the FBI know that you posted a
> threat concerning them??
I've met them a few times already for various computer things. ;p Your
really showing your ass aren't you kiddo? Once, there was this series
of websites; Known as Sourceofkaos.com, and codebreakers.org. Well,
during the melissa incident, both sites got taken. I hosted
codebreakers.org; It was my server they took. Another Vx comrade
hosted sourceofkaos, until it too was taken by the feds.
Feel free to tell the feds anything you like kiddo, I'm not concerned.
:)
And please, do continue to make an ass of yourself; Here, allow me to
help you. :)
Which tests did you run to determine a 74% character trait between pax
and myself? You mentioned we as in plural; Whom assisted you with this
test? Which posts did you use? Which virus code did I steal, from
whom, and when?
When are you going to call the FBI and explain how I "threatened"
them. (Teeheee)
I know these questions are hard for you, you and truth don't get along
well. ;p
Regards,
Raid [slam]
e t e r s h e r w o o d @home.com Pete Sherwood
> >>
> >> [crap]
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:09:27 +0200, Frederic Bonroy <yor...@yahoo.fr>
> wrote:
> >> > I'm not the one verballing slapping nearly everyone who attempts
> >> > to offer some helpful and often knowlegeable advice.
> >Are you kidding? You have more than once bashed people (including me)
> >who were offering helpful advice.
<t...@mallers.net> wrote in message
news:24o8kt43cmqsjfcu3...@4ax.com...
> Oh, it is loverly to watch the feeding frenzy in this group as it goes
> down the drain. It's demise is in no small part due to these Bonroy
> and Fitzgerald assholes who have been in top contention for the last
> month for "Asshole of the Month."
Hmm, as a regular contributor of helpful advice and feedback to those in
need of assistance ... oops!
Why don't you get down off your pot-shot high-horse
and provide some helpful advice to needy people once in awhile.
As someone in OZ who is hiding behind an alias,
you have little credibility and sway in the group.
Pete Sherwood
Raid
> post one example or STFU
How about your posts claiming I stole code? How about your french
history 101 posts directed towards Frederic? How about your posts
towards Pax? :)
Why don't you take a bit of your own advice...
> You are acting like a stalker - you ran what the people who take care
> of the firewall are calling a 6 minute attack when over 300 separate
> connections where made from your computer
A traceroute does not attack a machine. I'm not even entirely sure it
sends much data to you. A stalker would have already converted your IP
to a city location; and trimmed it further, until he reaches the
street address. Then the stalker inserts this data into something
like.. Oh, MapPoint 2001; complete drivable directions from the
stalkers local to you. The stalker could be crazy enough to shoot you
dead on your way home from school one afternoon/morning. Since he
doesn't live in your town, if he executes you with nobody around; Your
murder may never be solved. The stalker could learn much about your
location before visiting, and learn even more about you. If the
stalker really wanted to.
> you the netnazi here? MYOFB - get it - understand?
What netnazi? You should have known better then to think your
anonymous solely because you forge your message headers a bit. (Bogus
email address in the reply-to:, As well as a bogus posting address).
You however, forgot about the IP; apparently.
Sadly, you've been posting to usenet. Each post is public, and
may/can/often does invite discussion and various opinions. Please keep
in mind, You did this with your first post. :)
> > Perhaps you know more than you can share.
> > Maybe you have something useful to offer the community ;-)
> > If only you would behave yourself !
> you the netnazi here? STFU or nortel is going to receive some of the
> responses I've gotten back from emails sent out.
> last warning
What's to really stop him or anyone else from digging a little deeper,
and posting this information *anonymously* to the internet?
Who know's how many wierd people might live in your area, who are
online.. Just waiting to abuse you....
Regards,
Raid [slam]
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