Attn Jiz Condom
4Q
means, then has to met Bubba. Maybe we can sit in quiet contemplation
and have deep philosophical thoughts.
If Raid gets fucked up by some sneaky assassin wishing Bubba on him
then I've a feeling something might make the assassin wish time machines
existed.
cya
4Q
We know who you are.
xray
>We know who you are.
Then let the information leak. If something was to happen, oh well.
Raid
> If Raid ever gets pulled by the Police and sent to jail through fair
> means, then has to met Bubba. Maybe we can sit in quiet contemplation
> and have deep philosophical thoughts.
Have you been drinking again old man? Why would I be sent in by the
police? Contrary to Graham Cluleys suggestion, I did not turn myself
into the authorities over Toadie.
Nice to see Graham so concerned with my well being however. I do
wonder why he doesn't post as often as he used too; And why he made no
effort to comment on my toadie posts? Awe, I'm sorry Graham; I thought
you could handle some dirt man. :)
How's Sophos treating you these days Cluley? Are you still employed
with them? What is their policy on contacting virus authors via email?
Regards,
Raid [slam]
sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk
raid...@yahoo.com (Raid) wrote:
> Nice to see Graham so concerned with my well being however.
Yes, we're a caring bunch here at Sophos.
> I do wonder why he doesn't post as often as he used too;
The amount of drivel appears to be increasing. My twit-filter blocks out
most of it. Most people with problems know to contact the support
department directly where they can get competent, effective advice.
> And why he made no effort to comment on my toadie posts?
Hmm? I did, didn't I? Did you miss it amongst all the drivel?
> Awe, I'm sorry Graham; I thought you could handle some dirt man. :)
>
> How's Sophos treating you these days Cluley? Are you still employed
> with them?
Yes, life is good.. and Sophos goes from strength-to-strength. We have a
big announcement lined up for next week.
--
Graham Cluley, Senior Technology Consultant, Sophos Anti-Virus
email: gcl...@sophos.com http://www.sophos.com
US Support: +1 888 SOPHOS 9 UK Support: +44 1235 559933
Raid
> Yes, we're a caring bunch here at Sophos.
Which authorities contacted you regarding Toadie and myself? If the
question appears to be rather blunt, it is. :)
> The amount of drivel appears to be increasing. My twit-filter blocks out
> most of it. Most people with problems know to contact the support
> department directly where they can get competent, effective advice.
As well as misleading advice. And ill informed suggestions to turn
one's self into the authorities?
> Hmm? I did, didn't I? Did you miss it amongst all the drivel?
It hasn't shown up on Google's archives, nor the news servers of a few
localized ISP's I have access too. It's possible your replies were
"lost" from all of these sources, but I don't know.. Your credibility
isn't what it used to be. How do I know your not lying now, as you did
with toadie?
> Yes, life is good.. and Sophos goes from strength-to-strength. We have a
> big announcement lined up for next week.
Another big announcement? Which virus author will the authorities be
asking you about this time? <big fucking grin> What is Sophos official
policy on employees contacting known virus writers? Is this a normal
policy?
Does Sophos normally allow employees to go on record as saying various
things which are not true? I asked you then to provide proof of myself
spreading toadie; You never did. so I will ask again, What proof does
Sophos have in the spreading of Toadie? I wish to see your evidence,
after all these years.
Regards,
Raid [slam]
sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk
> What proof does Sophos have in the spreading of Toadie? I wish
> to see your evidence, after all these years.
Depends what you call spreading really doesn't it? I mean, I know of the
Austrian headquarters of a large multinational organisation which got
infected by it, and were less than happy. And I know that you've said
before that you have made your virus binaries available for anyone to
download from one of your websites "as long as they obey the disclaimer",
and I know that you've said that you share viruses with your virus-writing
buddies, and I know that you posted on alt.comp.virus asking people who
had been hit by Toadie whether it was from the cell cracking program that
was posted on usenet, and I know that you have used the pseudonym John
Grahms before, and I know that someone using the name "John Grahms" has
posted your viruses onto usenet, and I know that you have said that "John
Grahms" is a very common name in America, and I know that I have suggested
that maybe someone was deliberately using your pseudonym whilst spreading
your virus to frame you... but you weren't interested in finding out who
this John Grahms was for some reason.
And I know that you posted in public on 13 January 2000 announcing your
plan to release the virus you wrote after Toadie (IrOk) in the wild:
"In a few weeks, IrOk (which is based off of Toadie) is going to be
completed. And I am going to lose it into the wild, on purpose. YOu can
quote me on that one this time Graham."
Art Kopp
wrote:
Time for another dimwit count :) Cast your vote now for Graham = Jed
Connors.
Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
Reply to address should work.
sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk
Kopp) wrote:
> Time for another dimwit count :) Cast your vote now for Graham = Jed
> Connors.
Yup - I think he could be.
Raid
> Depends what you call spreading really doesn't it? I mean, I know of the
> Austrian headquarters of a large multinational organisation which got
No, actually it doesn't. Sophos and yourself (well, sophos with your
help really) told people I was maliciously spreading the virus.
Offering a virus on a virus oriented website is hardly malicious
spreading of said virus.
You do not differeiate this in your descriptions. This isn't right,
and it's misleading; Fucking intentional misleading. Posting a virus
on a virus website is not maliciously spreading the virus into the
wild; But you have made NO effort to distinguish between the two.
You'd rather people mistakenly believe I posted the virus to the web
in an effort to infect persons.
> infected by it, and were less than happy. And I know that you've said
> before that you have made your virus binaries available for anyone to
> download from one of your websites "as long as they obey the disclaimer",
> and I know that you've said that you share viruses with your virus-writing
And none of this is malicious spreading Graham. None of it.
I did not spread the Toadie virus in any way shape or form; I offered
it on a ProVx website for others to examine. No spreading by my part.
Let's clear that up shall we? I asked you for the proof you touted as
having; I asked for the proof Sophos touted as having. You *still*
have not provided it.
I indeed question your integrity Graham, and those of your employer.
> had been hit by Toadie whether it was from the cell cracking program that
> was posted on usenet, and I know that you have used the pseudonym John
you basically have nothing, no concrete evidence ever linking me to
the malicious spread of Toadie. Quiet the opposite of what you were
quoted as saying. "He is actively distributing it in the form of a
cell phone cloning application and an adult sex crack". I want you to
provide evidence to support this outlandish and outright BULLSHIT
claim you made on Sophos behalf.
You can claim the reporters twisted your words all you like Graham,
but now it's time to put up that evidence you were going to fork to
the authorities. Time to say which authorities contacted you about
Toadie and myself (again, I maintain according to FBI contacts I have,
none were interested in me or Toadie).
Yep, it's time to admit how much of a fat fucking liar you really are
Graham ol pal. :) And Sophos long thought of as an honest company;
Woops. Not so honest are we gents? :)
> And I know that you posted in public on 13 January 2000 announcing your
> plan to release the virus you wrote after Toadie (IrOk) in the wild:
Yep; and so? Irok isn't toadie. We're talking about Toadie Graham,
let's not try to defray from the attack. Laugh. I realize you can't
answer the questions I've asked you; but you could atleast try. Your
only going to dig a deeper hole for yourself.
I will not let you ignore your lies Graham, I promise your lies and
the lies of Sophos (you do represent them) will not go un-noticed.
It's time you bastards became a little bit honest for once.
> "In a few weeks, IrOk (which is based off of Toadie) is going to be
> completed. And I am going to lose it into the wild, on purpose. YOu can
> quote me on that one this time Graham."
That's great and all; But a person can change his/her opinion. Which I
did.
Unless you can provide this proof you long talked about in our emails;
then you will have to accept the fact that YOU AND SOPHOS ARE LIARS.
Hard pill to swallow? Maybe you should "turn yourself in" for lieing
to reporters so much, before somebody at Sophos decides to check into
my posts for themselves, you fat prick.
Regards,
Raid [slam]
Raid
> In article <3cc3dcb1...@news.epix.net>, art...@nowhere.com (Art
> Kopp) wrote:
>
> > Time for another dimwit count :) Cast your vote now for Graham = Jed
> > Connors.
>
> Yup - I think he could be.
Did you read what Art wrote Graham? Graham = Jed Conners. :)
Regards,
Raid [slam]
Norman L. DeForest
[sig left in because it's relevant.]
C|N>K [0]
Where was the C&C on that?[1]
[0] It's a good thing that I keep it[2] covered in ClingWrap(TM).
[1] Oooops, sorry, wrong froup. Force of habit.
[2] The keyboard, not the nose.
--
Norman De Forest http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/Profile.html
af...@chebucto.ns.ca [=||=] (A Speech Friendly Site)
"It's MyParty and I'll delete it if I want to."
-- Trafton Ziegler in alt.comp.virus, on Sunday, February 10, 2002.
sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk
raid...@yahoo.com (Raid) wrote:
Sorry - I must remember to write in big ten foot letters when I'm joking.
Sigh.
sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk
Thanks for your feedback Raid. You were quite thorough in your
response, but missed out the bit about the infected cell cracking
program posted to usenet and the odd occasion someone used one of your
pseudonyms ("John Grahms") to post a virus.
Raid
> Thanks for your feedback Raid.
Your welcome. When may I see the evidence Sophos and yourself claimed
to have linking me directly to the spread of Toadie? Or.. is my
assumptions about yourself and your employer correct? Those would be:
Willingly misleading, false accusations leaked to the press in an
effort to drum up sales. Shall I print this from now on Graham?
It's a matter of public record now that you and Sophos (your employer)
stated they would cooperate fully with the authorities. They've also
stated the authorities are already hot on my trail. It's also a matter
of public record that you niavely tried to get me to "turn myself"
into said authorities.
I believe your credibility as well as that of your employers is going
downhill; I'm so sad to see you go. :) Again, What proof does Sophos
have of my spreading the Toadie virus? Not theories graham, Absolute
proof; As you suggested you had.
If you aren't able to cough up your so called evidence, Then it's okay
for me to say Sophos isn't credible, they employ known liars who bend
the ears of reporters in a sick effort to drum up sales.
Graham, I've already been contacted by 2 reporters who would like to
do a story on the corruption in the Antivirus Industry. How would you
like yourself and Sophos to be the stars? Muahaha. Wouldn't that be
some shit Graham? Your own company bashed to hell in the press; with
your own emails as the evidence. Bahaha. Think you'd still be employed
by them? :)
At this point; I can prove Sophos and yourself were misleading persons
and attempting to set me up with your suggestions of turning myself
in. I've also commented that the authorities were not looking for me,
but you claimed they were; So again, which authorities? Whom can I
contact to verify this?
My sources claim you are trying to "scare me."; As no authorities were
looking for me then, or now. So which is it Graham?
> response, but missed out the bit about the infected cell cracking
> program posted to usenet and the odd occasion someone used one of your
> pseudonyms ("John Grahms") to post a virus.
What is odd about it exactly Graham? Apparently, someone attempted
(poorly so) to set me up for the fall. didn't work tho. So, again;
Where is your evidence graham? Is that all you have?
Regards,
Raid [slam]